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Also, when exactly did I shift attention from Superbia after his post? How would this be scummy? How does he appear scummy atm? Why would I not shift attention to you, sentinel, serejai, if you are the people I consider scummy?
Also "It screams scum since sentinel and me are townie". That doesn't even remotely make sense. I consider you and serejai scum and sentinel null/leaning scum. Why would I not post about the people I think are scum? Why would hunting scum be scummy?
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Elvis! Isn't mafia stop voting him.
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On November 04 2014 23:21 Elvis! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 22:16 Serejai wrote: Either Sentinel is scum or Elvis+Fecal are scum.
Still leaning Elvis because of how much he contradicts himself.
Starts off calling out Superbia because "Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum".
Then once Sentinel says the same thing, Elvis suddenly flip-flops and says "so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy... Okay I guess." in sarcasm and proceeds to call Sentinel scum.
I come into the game with a troll post as well and, once again, Elvis does a complete flip-flip and suddenly trolling = obvious scum again.
Don't know how you guys play online mafia but this is pretty cut and dry mafia play for IRL games.
I would put Bresh, Grack, and Sentinel as town at the moment because they're the only ones that seem to notice some of the sketchy posting by Elvis. Lightning is null to me; he may post scummy but surely if he were mafia his teammates would step in and help improve his posting - unless they are intentionally trying to throw him under the bus. If Lightning gets lynched and turns town we should probably look at the people who were pushing for him (coincidentally Elvis is at the top of that list). I don't think you even read what I'm writing. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote: Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something? As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that. His reaction is all that counts. You say I call Superbia out. In the very post you quote me on I say I don't read him as scum since it's not him distracting people. I always stayed with my opinion of not calling Superbia scum. No flip-flop happened. Straight up lies. When exactly do I flip-flop on you? I can see why you didn't qoute me on it because there is nothing. Trolling can be different and trolling on the second page is a bit different than what you're doing. If you want me to further elaborate on that I can. Again straight up lies. I don't even wanna start on how IRL mafia barely relates to a lot of things in forum mafia. Also I just don't see the connection here. Sooooo you define town solely on people who are "detecting my sketchy play". Yes, detecting sketchy play and thus hunting scum is what town does. But there has been sketchy play by quite some people - especially by straight up lying. So because you tunnel me, any scummy play by people who aren't me is irrelevant to you apparently. Why don't you define town by them being useful in catching scum. They can and are supposed to question everyone's play including mine, but you can't define town by them tunneling on the same guy as you . I especially dislike you sheeping Lightning here. Saying his play is scummy but you rate him null because of what reason? Because his partner would tell him to not post something stupid? Why didn't you tell him then, since for me you two are scum here. This is one of the weirdest sheeping going on I have seen in a while and with that a major scumslip . Please other people give intel on who of these two to lynch first. Atm I'm on ##Vote Serejai First you start off saying this As a note on Superbia: His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet. If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched .Then you quickly shifterd to this like 2 of your posts later@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread. Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen. Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something? As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that. His reaction is all that counts. Saying his reaction is all that counts is fishy as someone trying to defend their fellow scum Then when everyone was talking about Sentinel you quickly changed the target to me in this postTalking about this Lightning guy. So he begins with a vote on superbia. ... I don't even... Like how can you vote someone without giving reasoning.
Ok, he later on gives reasoning after being asked multiple times, as he says "I have read chelsea's posts (and I wanna look town so I agree with the guy who people think is townie)"
Then he's like, "wait a second, chelsea pulled his vote back. Time to pull mine back as well so I fit in again and don't look suspicious. Being mafai is so easy".
Then he sees people going on about Immortal. Now guess what happens next. He calls someone fishy without reasoning what exactly is meant, why it is fishy, why that appears scummy or anything of importance. Generally, I am yet to see him post his own opinion that isn't basically copy-pasted from someone (especially chelsea), rephrased or wishy-washy (referring to his recent post on Immortal being "fishy").
I am yet to see his posts exceed 4 lines, and even those 4 lines don't ever have content. He just rephrases stuff and basically reposts others, and I'm yet to see anything productive from him. He doesn't even remotely try hunting scum For now, if he doesn't drastically change his playstyle or someone more definitive arrises, I view him as a mafia lurker.
##Vote LightningStrike You got scum all over you now in my eyes due to those posts.
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On November 04 2014 22:16 Serejai wrote: Either Sentinel is scum or Elvis+Fecal are scum.
Still leaning Elvis because of how much he contradicts himself.
Starts off calling out Superbia because "Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum".
Then once Sentinel says the same thing, Elvis suddenly flip-flops and says "so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy... Okay I guess." in sarcasm and proceeds to call Sentinel scum.
I come into the game with a troll post as well and, once again, Elvis does a complete flip-flip and suddenly trolling = obvious scum again.
Don't know how you guys play online mafia but this is pretty cut and dry mafia play for IRL games.
I would put Bresh, Grack, and Sentinel as town at the moment because they're the only ones that seem to notice some of the sketchy posting by Elvis. Lightning is null to me; he may post scummy but surely if he were mafia his teammates would step in and help improve his posting - unless they are intentionally trying to throw him under the bus. If Lightning gets lynched and turns town we should probably look at the people who were pushing for him (coincidentally Elvis is at the top of that list).
I don't see how elvis called superbia out, he was one of the few that decided to wait and see what he does.
You haven't done anything at all this game apart from troll and lie about elvis so you are really sketchy
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so right now
need cricketer to talk obviously and want to see what kush does.
I would lynch between seraj,imma,ls maybe sentinal.
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although the latest post by imma was quite good.
especially where he was reading into the elvis post.
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imma you have a lot of leaning town/leaning scum/sketchy.
who would you lynch right now? like who is your top scum read?
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On November 04 2014 05:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:So let's look at his returning post: Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote: Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company!
The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons: - If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective) - If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day.
Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons: - WIFOM - I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear! - Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit"
Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it?
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention. Making reads based on people's reactions to events is much easier when you're involved in said events. It eliminates one of the variables.
So let me get this straight, you accepted precisely because of this reason? And you planned this within 5 minutes?
On November 04 2014 05:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +Fecalfeast - On November 03 2014 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote: Tunneling someone who volunteers, IMHO, sounds like some really unproductive stuff. Maybe I have an incorrect definition of tunneling. To just pick the first person who raises their hand and focus only on that person is to waste his time and energy on a gamble.
At least an RNG lynch opens up analysis for D2 based on votes. If the person he tunnels is town we have to decide what to do with super before we analyze votes. I don't see ANY upside to announcing: "I TUNNEL SOMEONE PLS VOLUNTEER" and actually following through.
If someone could enlighten me as to why he is town, that'd help a lot. Why are you pushing someone for something that hasn't even happened yet? If you were really looking to catch scum you would wait for me to follow up and then evaluate from here. Pushing on someone for something insubstantial is pretty scummy: it's a losing strategy for town, and an easy way to get town-read as scum. Scum-lean on FF. We're pushing more for a reaction from you, if anything. Just as a way to get you to come out, shrug off any suspicion that doesn't belong, and then proceed as needed. It's the beginning of the day - any votes this early are most likely going to be changed as needed.
Why are you answering for FF? Why do you presume to know what his goal is? This only makes sense if you know FF's alignment.
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On November 05 2014 00:07 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 05:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:So let's look at his returning post: On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote: Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company!
The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons: - If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective) - If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day.
Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons: - WIFOM - I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear! - Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit"
Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it?
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention. Making reads based on people's reactions to events is much easier when you're involved in said events. It eliminates one of the variables. So let me get this straight, you accepted precisely because of this reason? And you planned this within 5 minutes? Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 05:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Fecalfeast - On November 03 2014 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote: Tunneling someone who volunteers, IMHO, sounds like some really unproductive stuff. Maybe I have an incorrect definition of tunneling. To just pick the first person who raises their hand and focus only on that person is to waste his time and energy on a gamble.
At least an RNG lynch opens up analysis for D2 based on votes. If the person he tunnels is town we have to decide what to do with super before we analyze votes. I don't see ANY upside to announcing: "I TUNNEL SOMEONE PLS VOLUNTEER" and actually following through.
If someone could enlighten me as to why he is town, that'd help a lot. Why are you pushing someone for something that hasn't even happened yet? If you were really looking to catch scum you would wait for me to follow up and then evaluate from here. Pushing on someone for something insubstantial is pretty scummy: it's a losing strategy for town, and an easy way to get town-read as scum. Scum-lean on FF. We're pushing more for a reaction from you, if anything. Just as a way to get you to come out, shrug off any suspicion that doesn't belong, and then proceed as needed. It's the beginning of the day - any votes this early are most likely going to be changed as needed. Why are you answering for FF? Why do you presume to know what his goal is? This only makes sense if you know FF's alignment.
I like that read actually.
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On November 04 2014 23:42 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 23:21 Elvis! wrote:On November 04 2014 22:16 Serejai wrote: Either Sentinel is scum or Elvis+Fecal are scum.
Still leaning Elvis because of how much he contradicts himself.
Starts off calling out Superbia because "Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum".
Then once Sentinel says the same thing, Elvis suddenly flip-flops and says "so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy... Okay I guess." in sarcasm and proceeds to call Sentinel scum.
I come into the game with a troll post as well and, once again, Elvis does a complete flip-flip and suddenly trolling = obvious scum again.
Don't know how you guys play online mafia but this is pretty cut and dry mafia play for IRL games.
I would put Bresh, Grack, and Sentinel as town at the moment because they're the only ones that seem to notice some of the sketchy posting by Elvis. Lightning is null to me; he may post scummy but surely if he were mafia his teammates would step in and help improve his posting - unless they are intentionally trying to throw him under the bus. If Lightning gets lynched and turns town we should probably look at the people who were pushing for him (coincidentally Elvis is at the top of that list). I don't think you even read what I'm writing. On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote: Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something? As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that. His reaction is all that counts. You say I call Superbia out. In the very post you quote me on I say I don't read him as scum since it's not him distracting people. I always stayed with my opinion of not calling Superbia scum. No flip-flop happened. Straight up lies. When exactly do I flip-flop on you? I can see why you didn't qoute me on it because there is nothing. Trolling can be different and trolling on the second page is a bit different than what you're doing. If you want me to further elaborate on that I can. Again straight up lies. I don't even wanna start on how IRL mafia barely relates to a lot of things in forum mafia. Also I just don't see the connection here. Sooooo you define town solely on people who are "detecting my sketchy play". Yes, detecting sketchy play and thus hunting scum is what town does. But there has been sketchy play by quite some people - especially by straight up lying. So because you tunnel me, any scummy play by people who aren't me is irrelevant to you apparently. Why don't you define town by them being useful in catching scum. They can and are supposed to question everyone's play including mine, but you can't define town by them tunneling on the same guy as you . I especially dislike you sheeping Lightning here. Saying his play is scummy but you rate him null because of what reason? Because his partner would tell him to not post something stupid? Why didn't you tell him then, since for me you two are scum here. This is one of the weirdest sheeping going on I have seen in a while and with that a major scumslip . Please other people give intel on who of these two to lynch first. Atm I'm on ##Vote Serejai First you start off saying this Show nested quote +As a note on Superbia: His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet. If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched .Then you quickly shifterd to this like 2 of your posts later Show nested quote +@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread. Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen. Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something? As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that. His reaction is all that counts. Saying his reaction is all that counts is fishy as someone trying to defend their fellow scum Then when everyone was talking about Sentinel you quickly changed the target to me in this post Show nested quote +Talking about this Lightning guy. So he begins with a vote on superbia. ... I don't even... Like how can you vote someone without giving reasoning.
Ok, he later on gives reasoning after being asked multiple times, as he says "I have read chelsea's posts (and I wanna look town so I agree with the guy who people think is townie)"
Then he's like, "wait a second, chelsea pulled his vote back. Time to pull mine back as well so I fit in again and don't look suspicious. Being mafai is so easy".
Then he sees people going on about Immortal. Now guess what happens next. He calls someone fishy without reasoning what exactly is meant, why it is fishy, why that appears scummy or anything of importance. Generally, I am yet to see him post his own opinion that isn't basically copy-pasted from someone (especially chelsea), rephrased or wishy-washy (referring to his recent post on Immortal being "fishy").
I am yet to see his posts exceed 4 lines, and even those 4 lines don't ever have content. He just rephrases stuff and basically reposts others, and I'm yet to see anything productive from him. He doesn't even remotely try hunting scum For now, if he doesn't drastically change his playstyle or someone more definitive arrises, I view him as a mafia lurker.
##Vote LightningStrike You got scum all over you now in my eyes due to those posts.
So I start of by saying I'm not calling him scum for his trolly post and that I'm waiting for how he follows it up, since his trolly post alone doesn't have any meaning . Then I go on and elaborate a little bit on that, not contradicting myself at all.
Waiting for his reaction is natural here, since most of the information is missing at that point and his initial post is only relevant if he follows it up in a matter that I state in the first thing you qoute me on.
Then, town is supposed to post reads on people so they can discuss them. I posted reads on the persons I find relevant or was asked to post about. .
This post is basically just OMGUS, manifesting my opinion about you being scum. No reasoning, lies, turning words around, not even reading my posts properly, not showing scum indicators and basically just calling me scum for calling you scum. You actually even phrase it that way, saying I'm scum for calling you scum. If your recent posts aren't scumslips I don't know what is.
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Pretty happy to lynch ls to be honest. His whole argument on elvis was just trash and untruths
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Kind of like FF after his big post on Sentinel. Want to talk to him before I place him in town circle.
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I'd vote lighting or jasmine, as long as cricket actually says something today.
Speaking of cricket, kush wanted to lynch Jasmine for no reads. I wonder if the same goes for cricket.
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On November 04 2014 23:21 Elvis! wrote:
Sooooo you define town solely on people who are "detecting my sketchy play". Yes, detecting sketchy play and thus hunting scum is what town does. But there has been sketchy play by quite some people - especially by straight up lying. So because you tunnel me, any scummy play by people who aren't me is irrelevant to you apparently. Why don't you define town by them being useful in catching scum. They can and are supposed to question everyone's play including mine, but you can't define town by them tunneling on the same guy as you .
You basically just said "yeah my play is scummy but so are other people so it's not fair to only go after me". Nice scumslip.
You're half right, though; you're not the only person with scum posting. Fecal also has some sketchy posting and - what a coincidence - you two have been sheeping each other. Lightning is also scummy but there are only three mafia, and I'm more convinced you and Fecal are mafia than him, and it wouldn't make sense for you two to go after your third member. For him to be mafia then you and Fecal would need to be town, and I don't see that happening. He's also a very convenient push for you scum tonight because he's a new player and if he comes up as town you can just pull the "well it was an honest mistake, he sounded scummy" card. Free townie out of the game for you.
Cricketer has been AFK the entire game.
batsnacks is scummy as shit as well. He's posted a lot but they are all no-content one-liners, and a quarter of them are just defending Elvis for no apparent reason. Apparently Elvis is in his magical confirmed town circle.
kush is practically AFK, so leaning scum here
Immaterial also seems scummy. His first posts were jumping in to agree that Superbia was scum - "In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia" and claims that he doesn't understand how to play. If you read his later posts, though, they don't read like a new player anymore. He seemed to gain a lot of knowledge on how to play overnight.
The only two people that don't seem scummy are Bresh and Grack; nobody else is really pushing a town agenda. My order of most scummy to least scummy would be:
Elvis Fecal batsnacks Lightning kush / Immaterial
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Does grack usually traffic cop as town d1? Anyone know?
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Sentinel: - Was your agreement to the tunnel a joke? - If not, why did you agree?
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On November 05 2014 00:28 Superbia wrote: Does grack usually traffic cop as town d1? Anyone know?
agree it is fucking weird.
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I think I'm seeing a pattern with jasmine's scum reads; they all scum read her first. She's paraphrasing, making reads based on unflipped associations, she's frequently exaggerating... This is all textbook mafia behavior.
Jasmine do you think your reads are biased toward people who are scum reading you?
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