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I think I'm biased towards scum like you.
You start off the game with Superbia:
I'm voting Superbia because I think he is the scummiest player and deserves to be voted.
You stick hard to this even after everyone else jumps off him. It's not until I call out Elvis that you suddenly switch your vote and start tunneling on me. In fact, you ask Grack who he would rather lynch between me and kush. He tells you kush and you completely ignore it and continue to tunnel on me while also telling everyone to take their votes off Elvis.
Kind of strange that after I call out Elvis as scum you and Fecal both come out of the woodwork and start tunneling me + posting about how innocent Elvis is. Before that neither of you had posted much of anything in the thread.
Gonna stick with you three being the scum team.
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On November 05 2014 00:07 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 05:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:So let's look at his returning post: On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote:
Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company!
The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons:
- If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective)
- If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day.
Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons:
- WIFOM
- I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear!
- Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit"
Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it?
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention. Making reads based on people's reactions to events is much easier when you're involved in said events. It eliminates one of the variables. So let me get this straight, you accepted precisely because of this reason? And you planned this within 5 minutes? Show nested quote +
More or less. I do this like every game. At the very least, I would have wanted to see what you could dig up on me, and more importantly, who else tries to ride the tunnel train and for what reason.
Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 05:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Fecalfeast - On November 03 2014 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tunneling someone who volunteers, IMHO, sounds like some really unproductive stuff. Maybe I have an incorrect definition of tunneling. To just pick the first person who raises their hand and focus only on that person is to waste his time and energy on a gamble.
At least an RNG lynch opens up analysis for D2 based on votes. If the person he tunnels is town we have to decide what to do with super before we analyze votes. I don't see ANY upside to announcing: "I TUNNEL SOMEONE PLS VOLUNTEER" and actually following through.
If someone could enlighten me as to why he is town, that'd help a lot. Why are you pushing someone for something that hasn't even happened yet? If you were really looking to catch scum you would wait for me to follow up and then evaluate from here. Pushing on someone for something insubstantial is pretty scummy: it's a losing strategy for town, and an easy way to get town-read as scum. Scum-lean on FF. We're pushing more for a reaction from you, if anything. Just as a way to get you to come out, shrug off any suspicion that doesn't belong, and then proceed as needed. It's the beginning of the day - any votes this early are most likely going to be changed as needed. Why are you answering for FF? Why do you presume to know what his goal is? This only makes sense if you know FF's alignment.
We were all on a pressure-voting wagon to the extent of my knowledge. I just saw fit to address it as I was dissecting your return post.
On November 05 2014 00:35 Superbia wrote:
Sentinel:
- Was your agreement to the tunnel a joke?
- If not, why did you agree?
It was a half-joke. The way I saw it, it could go one of two ways. If you accepted, I'd get my goal of attention being focused on me, which is great because a) the only reason I play mafia is to see other people talk about me and b) again, it's a lot easier for me to make reads. If you declined, then I just chalk it up to pre-game fuckery and we go on playing the game discussing... something else. I didn't expect for it to blow up the way it did.
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You could have just said "yes" you know.
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Yeah. She said she was "Jasmine" in he first post so im sticking with it.
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There's so much wrong in jasmine's posts but I can't decide if it's actually scummy or not. Its like jasmine doesn't understand why she's scummy, its making her frustrated, and it's creating bias in her reads.
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Does anyone feel like voting me for the reasons jasmine gave? Open question.
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On November 05 2014 02:19 batsnacks wrote:
There's so much wrong in jasmine's posts but I can't decide if it's actually scummy or not. Its like jasmine doesn't understand why she's scummy, its making her frustrated, and it's creating bias in her reads.
Right but that in itself doesn't make her even more scummy. Just bad town. Or bad null rather.
I have to go reread the whole exchange, though. My feelings on her alignment are unclear.
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Vote Count
Serejai (3): kushm4sta, FecalFeast, Elvis!
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Superbia
Elvis! (2): Serejai, LightningStrike
Kushm4sta (1): Breshke
Not Voting (6): batsnacks, KelsierSC, Immaterial, Cricketer12, Grackaroni, [UoN]Sentinel
Currently, Serejai is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
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On November 05 2014 01:58 Serejai wrote:I think I'm biased towards scum like you. You start off the game with Superbia: Show nested quote +I'm voting Superbia because I think he is the scummiest player and deserves to be voted. You stick hard to this even after everyone else jumps off him. It's not until I call out Elvis that you suddenly switch your vote and start tunneling on me. In fact, you ask Grack who he would rather lynch between me and kush. He tells you kush and you completely ignore it and continue to tunnel on me while also telling everyone to take their votes off Elvis. Kind of strange that after I call out Elvis as scum you and Fecal both come out of the woodwork and start tunneling me + posting about how innocent Elvis is. Before that neither of you had posted much of anything in the thread. Gonna stick with you three being the scum team.
probably because your elvis read was awful
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sera can you explain what town agenda grak is pushing?
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On November 05 2014 02:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 02:19 batsnacks wrote:
There's so much wrong in jasmine's posts but I can't decide if it's actually scummy or not. Its like jasmine doesn't understand why she's scummy, its making her frustrated, and it's creating bias in her reads. Right but that in itself doesn't make her even more scummy. Just bad town. Or bad null rather. I have to go reread the whole exchange, though. My feelings on her alignment are unclear.
Read her bigger reads post and let me know what you think. Keep an eye out for exaggerating and unflipped associations.
I agree with what you're saying... Even though this stuff is textbook mafia I think biased/emotional town makes sense too.
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sentinal if you had to pick between elvis and sere who would you vote on?
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bats how do you read grak right now?
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I'm in a boring lecture, so yes I'm here
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Leaning town on grack. Our reads are slightly different on some things (Elvis) but I agree with stuff he's said. He appears to be pushing a town agenda. No chance of me voting him over others.
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guna take super off the lynch list today.
I like this post quite a lot
On November 05 2014 00:07 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 05:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:So let's look at his returning post: On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote:
Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company!
The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons:
- If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective)
- If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day.
Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons:
- WIFOM
- I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear!
- Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit"
Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it?
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention. Making reads based on people's reactions to events is much easier when you're involved in said events. It eliminates one of the variables. So let me get this straight, you accepted precisely because of this reason? And you planned this within 5 minutes? Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 05:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Fecalfeast - On November 03 2014 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tunneling someone who volunteers, IMHO, sounds like some really unproductive stuff. Maybe I have an incorrect definition of tunneling. To just pick the first person who raises their hand and focus only on that person is to waste his time and energy on a gamble.
At least an RNG lynch opens up analysis for D2 based on votes. If the person he tunnels is town we have to decide what to do with super before we analyze votes. I don't see ANY upside to announcing: "I TUNNEL SOMEONE PLS VOLUNTEER" and actually following through.
If someone could enlighten me as to why he is town, that'd help a lot. Why are you pushing someone for something that hasn't even happened yet? If you were really looking to catch scum you would wait for me to follow up and then evaluate from here. Pushing on someone for something insubstantial is pretty scummy: it's a losing strategy for town, and an easy way to get town-read as scum. Scum-lean on FF. We're pushing more for a reaction from you, if anything. Just as a way to get you to come out, shrug off any suspicion that doesn't belong, and then proceed as needed. It's the beginning of the day - any votes this early are most likely going to be changed as needed.
Why are you answering for FF? Why do you presume to know what his goal is? This only makes sense if you know FF's alignment.
I like that he is beginning to question grak, a lot of people have given him soft town reads, i don't really know why.
with regards to his tunnel ticket...i imagine he decided "I am going to run this play" and in his mind the person who took it would be mafia. I think he should get off that particular thing but the other line of questioning to sentinal (mostly about him answering for ff) is pretty good and feels town.
Not top town but not going to lynch today,
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On November 05 2014 03:01 batsnacks wrote:
Leaning town on grack. Our reads are slightly different on some things (Elvis) but I agree with stuff he's said. He appears to be pushing a town agenda. No chance of me voting him over others.
yeh not going to lynch him today, just last game he gave off strong town vibes early and I don't get that this game.
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KSC did you mean sentinel when you said grack? I don't see grack anywhere in that post.
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