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On November 05 2014 04:00 Breshke wrote:
Morning guys here earlier than expected because i couldn't sleep.
Im really not sure on serajai at the moment but that might just be because her scumlist is almost everyone i said i wanted to lynch earlier. Also if she is mafia there is at least one scum in the people she called out because the others i hope i think i have a fairly good town read.
Superbia if you are around id appreciate if you'd change your vote as sentinel isn't getting lynched today.
Also i still don't see why kush is getting a pass today. Since my post on him not one person has called him mafia or expressed the desire to vote on him. This could also attribute to me wanting to read serajai as town. i've been one of the most universally town read person this game so I find it interesting that no mafia joined this wagon on kush. I know my case was weak as he hasn't actually posted anything that is scummy per-say it is more in his lack of posting considering his hype in the pre game. He is still low hanging fruit though so if he is town I see no reason why mafia haven't jumped on this although i might be reading into this too much.
Mafia are too busy tunneling me to worry about kush.
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On November 05 2014 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 03:47 batsnacks wrote:
I think now is the time to talk about cricket.
Do we vote him or take a chance with a modkill/replacement/possibility of him suddenly returning? He didn't vote, so I'd say we shouldn't waste our efforts unless he shows up just to vote or is modkilled eventually.
I agree with this guy by the way although it blows if he is mafia
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Also ff I know you probably missed it but could you read this post for me please (link)
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Blazinghand
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Vote Count
Serejai (4): kushm4sta, FecalFeast, Elvis!, [UoN]Sentinel
[UoN]Sentinel (1): Superbia
Elvis! (1): LightningStrike
Kushm4sta (1): Breshke
Cricketer12 (3): KelsierSC, batsnacks, Serejai
Not Voting (3): Immaterial, Cricketer12, Grackaroni
Currently, Serejai is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
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That post of his is the main reason why I think he's scum. He claims kush is town because he "asks scum to quit" and throws his vote on a troll, then leaves the thread without contributing anything.
Explain to me again how throwing your lynch vote on a random troll post is a pro-town thing to do? Last I checked lynching townies just because you don't like their first post would be considered a scum thing to do. Not to mention asking scum to quit. How on earth is that pro-town? It's not like the mafia are going to ask the town to quit.
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On November 05 2014 04:00 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 03:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Serejai
That vote and the rationale doesn't sit well at all with me. Explain yourself, please. Lol, the rationale doesn't sit well? That's a very scummy thing to say. I know I'm town, and I don't know what cricket is. Therefore, if the lynch is going to be me or cricket... why would I let myself stay in the hot seat? I don't think cricket is scum, but I know that I'm not; so if it's him or me, I'll choose him. I thought you were town but this post of yours is scummy as shit.
Alright look if you're town, let me break this down for you. This:
On November 05 2014 03:58 Serejai wrote:
My vote would still be on Elvis if I had a choice, but I do not; it doesn't seem like anyone else is willing to commit to him.
I would be willing to change my vote to Immaterial as well, and here's why:
Is really scummy. If you keep your vote on Cricketer, and he gets enough votes to be lynched, and if you turn out to be right and he's actually town, you're helping scum win. That's one more wasted lynch for the town and one less person to eliminate for the mafia. You don't follow bandwagons either. That's what scum does because other people make misguided cases and then scummers can put nails in the coffin.
Now here you have a case on Immaterial. But after all that evidence that you dug up on him and you being convinced he's scum (which is what I'm getting from reading that post, you don't even vote for the guy. Why not? The rest of us will commit to him if and only if you deliver some sort of evidence that says "This guy is definitely the scum, and these guys who you're all voting for right now are town, or at least less scummy than Immaterial".
For example I'm voting for you because you have way too many scumreads, are doing the most scum-beneficial things possible right now, and the people who you're voting for doesn't equate to the people who you think are scum. In other words, to answer your question, you're letting yourself stay in the hot seat right now.
So here's what I want you to do, if you're town:
1. There are three scum in the game. Give me the three who you think are the most scummy in this game. If you're really unsure about a third, you can do an alternate fourth.
2. Tell me why those three are the scummiest players in the game.
3 (optional but recommended). Before you post, play devil's advocate. Think about these players being town, and try to justify their actions. Use this to refine your final judgment.
4. Pick the scummiest of the bunch and vote for them.
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It's also amusing that the first three people I called out as scum all have sat their votes on me ever since, while preaching to other people in the thread about how it's "textbook scum play" to vote for someone just because they called you scum.
Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet the scum team of kush, Fecal, and Elvis.
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On November 05 2014 04:18 Serejai wrote:
It's also amusing that the first three people I called out as scum all have sat their votes on me ever since, while preaching to other people in the thread about how it's "textbook scum play" to vote for someone just because they called you scum.
Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet the scum team of kush, Fecal, and Elvis.
You need to give reasoning.
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On November 05 2014 04:18 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 04:00 Serejai wrote:On November 05 2014 03:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Serejai
That vote and the rationale doesn't sit well at all with me. Explain yourself, please. Lol, the rationale doesn't sit well? That's a very scummy thing to say. I know I'm town, and I don't know what cricket is. Therefore, if the lynch is going to be me or cricket... why would I let myself stay in the hot seat? I don't think cricket is scum, but I know that I'm not; so if it's him or me, I'll choose him. I thought you were town but this post of yours is scummy as shit. Alright look if you're town, let me break this down for you. This: Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 03:58 Serejai wrote:
My vote would still be on Elvis if I had a choice, but I do not; it doesn't seem like anyone else is willing to commit to him.
I would be willing to change my vote to Immaterial as well, and here's why: Is really scummy. If you keep your vote on Cricketer, and he gets enough votes to be lynched, and if you turn out to be right and he's actually town, you're helping scum win. That's one more wasted lynch for the town and one less person to eliminate for the mafia. You don't follow bandwagons either. That's what scum does because other people make misguided cases and then scummers can put nails in the coffin. Now here you have a case on Immaterial. But after all that evidence that you dug up on him and you being convinced he's scum (which is what I'm getting from reading that post, you don't even vote for the guy. Why not? The rest of us will commit to him if and only if you deliver some sort of evidence that says "This guy is definitely the scum, and these guys who you're all voting for right now are town, or at least less scummy than Immaterial". For example I'm voting for you because you have way too many scumreads, are doing the most scum-beneficial things possible right now, and the people who you're voting for doesn't equate to the people who you think are scum. In other words, to answer your question, you're letting yourself stay in the hot seat right now. So here's what I want you to do, if you're town: 1. There are three scum in the game. Give me the three who you think are the most scummy in this game. If you're really unsure about a third, you can do an alternate fourth. 2. Tell me why those three are the scummiest players in the game. 3 (optional but recommended). Before you post, play devil's advocate. Think about these players being town, and try to justify their actions. Use this to refine your final judgment. 4. Pick the scummiest of the bunch and vote for them.
You list four things, and I've already done them all.
1) I've stated my scumlist numerous times in this thread (Elvis, Fecal, bat, kush / Immaterial), and all that resulted from it was all four of them voting to lynch me.
2) I've stated why I think all of them are scum, and this resulted in my scumlist tunneling me.
4) I've picked the scummiest of my scumlist (Elvis) and voted for them, which resulted in everyone getting scum reads on me because apparently Elvis is confirmed town.
Unlike some people in this thread who change their minds every few hours, my scum list has been consistent the entire game.
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On November 05 2014 04:00 Serejai wrote:
I don't think cricket is scum
I don't believe in slips, but if I did, I would believe this is a slip. Just saying.
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Jasmine I never voted you lol
How is so much of what you say so wrong?
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Jasmine changing your mind is hardly a scum tell. You need to look towards peoples reasoning as to why they changed their mind. do you agree with this reasoning/would it make yo change your mind, if yes then you can look at it as towny. If no maybe they are just misreading something so you question them about it or call them scum for it.
You have given hardly any reasoning fr your scum team so how can anyone do this with you. It feels like you are just pulling names out of the pool of people calling you scum.
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On November 05 2014 03:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2014 03:33 Serejai wrote:
I don't actually think Cricketer12 is mafia but I know I'm town and he's the only person I can throw my vote to at the moment. Who do you think is mafia? Vote for them and make a case. Do you still think Elvis is scum?
I like this post from Sentinel as much as I dislike Serejai's post he quoted. Which is a lot.
Serejai's post rephrased:
"I wanna vote on someone who isn't mafia and who noone can fault me for voting.
Also I really really don't want to die."
I get disgusted by the idea of rather voting for someone noone has a read on and who is gonna get modkilled/replaced rather than for someone you think is mafia.
Then shortly after this post by sentinel serejai makes a really weak case of Immaterial.
I will rephrase that one as well:
"I think he's a noob.
He pulls the newbie card a couple of times and then makes a long post.
This totally indicates mafai!
Thus he must be mafai!"
Obviously Immaterial is the perfect target since noone has much of an idea of his alignment, he isn't crazily active and noone will fault you for seeing sketchy play in a newcomer (except me, because of your situation).
Note that this is not a comment on Immaterial or his post. (!!!)
Serejai, please elaborate why making a big post "without much content" (which you say yourself(!!!)) takes a lot more "skill" than pulling the newbie card. Everyone can make big posts. A lot of his post isn't work someone who plays mafia for longer than you think he does.
Of course this can be WIFOM and the mafia can tell him to make it look newbie big post if we wanna go by your weird theory. But in no way is this a scum indicator.
this is purely you trying to "seem legitimate" by "making a case" after you have been pressured by Sentinel to do so.
A townie doesn't care about getting lynched.
I know tunneling isn't a good thing and I've been talking a lot about how scum Serejai is, but this really sounds like a last ditch effort to not get lynched.
Also: I've posted my insight into most people very recently.
Since I'm confident with my push I obviously posted more about that, than about persons I think are null/town.
I don't think posting about who is town in big detail is useful. So I instead only post about scum, and since there's a lot to say about Serejai, I post a lot about him.
Why I like Sentinels post here?
He reflects my idea of solely focussing on finding scum and posting about them.
He pushes Jeresai to make uncomfortable statements, which are statements we can read a lot from.
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Well Cricketer12 been afk all game so he kind of useless tbh :| if anyone is going to get lynched he should be lynched
##unvote
##Vote Cricketer12
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EBWOP
##unvote
##Vote Cricketer12
Was fixing my vote post since Cricketer12 been afk all game he kind of useless.
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On November 05 2014 04:31 Breshke wrote:
Jasmine changing your mind is hardly a scum tell. You need to look towards peoples reasoning as to why they changed their mind. do you agree with this reasoning/would it make yo change your mind, if yes then you can look at it as towny. If no maybe they are just misreading something so you question them about it or call them scum for it.
You have given hardly any reasoning fr your scum team so how can anyone do this with you. It feels like you are just pulling names out of the pool of people calling you scum.
I have given plenty of reasoning for my scumlist.
kush, Elvis, and Fecal all voted for me without any reasoning other than not liking my initial post. The entire reason I made a troll post to start with is because that kind of stuff nearly always baits out at least one mafia in real life games. I figured it would work equally well in an online format, and so the people that fell for it went on my scum list.
Elvis and Fecal went straight to the top because they immediately started tunneling me - which was pretty convenient for them, because they were both on a lot of people's scum lists. I also stated why I felt they were both mafia together:
On November 04 2014 11:15 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 10:56 Breshke wrote:On November 04 2014 10:40 Serejai wrote:
Fecal seems like someone who just went into mafia chat with Elvis and they just decided to start shifting the focus to a new townie after they realized it wasn't working on Superbia. What about fecals vote on elvis. if you think they are partners what do you think was going on there. Random vote for Elvis, immediately followed by a "jk Elvis is cool now in my book for no apparent reason", and then continues to follow elvis around like a lost puppy for the rest of the thread. Pretty standard bad scum play.
And then I stated why I think Elvis is scum:
On November 04 2014 22:16 Serejai wrote:
Either Sentinel is scum or Elvis+Fecal are scum.
Still leaning Elvis because of how much he contradicts himself.
Starts off calling out Superbia because "Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum".
Then once Sentinel says the same thing, Elvis suddenly flip-flops and says "so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy... Okay I guess." in sarcasm and proceeds to call Sentinel scum.
I come into the game with a troll post as well and, once again, Elvis does a complete flip-flip and suddenly trolling = obvious scum again.
Don't know how you guys play online mafia but this is pretty cut and dry mafia play for IRL games.
I would put Bresh, Grack, and Sentinel as town at the moment because they're the only ones that seem to notice some of the sketchy posting by Elvis. Lightning is null to me; he may post scummy but surely if he were mafia his teammates would step in and help improve his posting - unless they are intentionally trying to throw him under the bus. If Lightning gets lynched and turns town we should probably look at the people who were pushing for him (coincidentally Elvis is at the top of that list).
And the rest of my scum list:
On November 05 2014 00:28 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2014 23:21 Elvis! wrote:
Sooooo you define town solely on people who are "detecting my sketchy play".
Yes, detecting sketchy play and thus hunting scum is what town does.
But there has been sketchy play by quite some people - especially by straight up lying.
So because you tunnel me, any scummy play by people who aren't me is irrelevant to you apparently.
Why don't you define town by them being useful in catching scum. They can and are supposed to question everyone's play including mine, but you can't define town by them tunneling on the same guy as you .
You basically just said "yeah my play is scummy but so are other people so it's not fair to only go after me". Nice scumslip. You're half right, though; you're not the only person with scum posting. Fecal also has some sketchy posting and - what a coincidence - you two have been sheeping each other. Lightning is also scummy but there are only three mafia, and I'm more convinced you and Fecal are mafia than him, and it wouldn't make sense for you two to go after your third member. For him to be mafia then you and Fecal would need to be town, and I don't see that happening. He's also a very convenient push for you scum tonight because he's a new player and if he comes up as town you can just pull the "well it was an honest mistake, he sounded scummy" card. Free townie out of the game for you. Cricketer has been AFK the entire game. batsnacks is scummy as shit as well. He's posted a lot but they are all no-content one-liners, and a quarter of them are just defending Elvis for no apparent reason. Apparently Elvis is in his magical confirmed town circle. kush is practically AFK, so leaning scum here Immaterial also seems scummy. His first posts were jumping in to agree that Superbia was scum - "In light of what everyone has been saying, I'm reasonably convinced about superbia" and claims that he doesn't understand how to play. If you read his later posts, though, they don't read like a new player anymore. He seemed to gain a lot of knowledge on how to play overnight. The only two people that don't seem scummy are Bresh and Grack; nobody else is really pushing a town agenda. My order of most scummy to least scummy would be: Elvis Fecal batsnacks Lightning kush / Immaterial
I've given all of my reasoning for why I think these players are scum, and somehow that's not good enough. But, when these same players claim I'm scum and provide no reasoning at all... that's somehow acceptable? Double standards are fun.
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Got em
##unvote
##vote: LightningStroke
Chelsea come be my friend and vote with me
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And there we have the second donkey mafia.
After the first one exposes himself deeper and deeper with more lies and weird posts, the second just takes the comfortable route and votes for someone noone has a read of.
This makes so much sense as townie.
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Breshke, I am behind you on the kush read, my early read was based on early D1 where it's hard to get a real read. Kush has certainly fallen off the map and subsequently my town-dar.
Serejai my vote comes off you when you show you've actually been reading the thread and your reads are based on actual posts, not circumstances.
Also, every time you say someone is scum because of a change in gameplay and suggest it's because of scum QT I giggle.
You know the newbies all have coaches, right? Any time you use scum QT as a basis for your reads you may as well be saying nothing.
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I feel like Bill Nye in a room full of Ken Hams. Doesn't look like I can do much here, so I'll just throw my vote back on the person I really want to vote for and hope the rest of the town catches on tomorrow.
##unvote
##vote Elvis
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