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On October 28 2014 00:23 Holyflare wrote: Well there's a game running so wait till that's ended :p if you're talking about resistance, a resistance game usually takes about a month, but could take in theory as short as a week or as long as 7 or 8 weeks | ||
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On October 28 2014 09:01 Holyflare wrote: quite clearly meant the fantasy football one anyone in the hearthstone game can easily play 2 at once Ah, I got confused because of time zones-- you made that post a couple hours before the game ended. | ||
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On October 28 2014 09:42 Circumstance wrote: This is my first time trying, so please be patient if I'm not quick to post or what have you. That being said, I'm in. I have a game open for new players, actually, if you want to play a game that's starting sooner and geared towards mixing new and old players, with features like one on one coaching: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome | ||
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It seems clear to me that it's time for an RNG lynch. So here's what happens 1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 9. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. Basically, in addition to a "what post in this thread" post ID, each post has a unique sitewide id # that's increasing so quickly because of TL traffic, I can use it to RNG effectively. I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explantion, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG. In the past game, this has lynched scum 100% of the time and it caused town to basically win. You can't deny RNG. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =OWS, 2 = LT, etc, all the way up to 16 = holyflare and 0 = JB. The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-17 by taking that number mod 17. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 16 mod 17 = 16. 17 mod 17 = 0. 19 mod 17 = 2. 24 mod 17 = 7. and so on. Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 17. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = OWS 2 = LT etc etc all the way up to 16 = HF 0 = JB (since a multiple of 14 modulo 14 is 0, not 14). + Show Spoiler [player list] + 1) ObiWanShinobi 2) Lord Tolkien 3) Misder 4) ritoky 5) risk.nuke 6) jrkirby 7) Seuss 8) VisceraEyes 9) GlowingBear 10) Oatsmaster 11) Alakaslam 12) Blazinghand 13) Damdred 14) liancourt 15) Circumstance 16) Holyflare 17) jaybrundage there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty | ||
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23206369 mod 17 = 9 9th player is glowingbear ##vote GlowingBEAR GB, your lynch has been determined by RNG. SUBMIT YOURSELF UNTO DEATH. | ||
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THE GODS HAVE SPOKEN. LET THEIR WILL BE DONE. | ||
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On November 01 2014 09:10 GlowingBear wrote: I'm scum with the largest filter day1. Try again BH lol HE ADMITS IT | ||
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On November 01 2014 09:16 GlowingBear wrote: BH IF YOU ARE TOWN YOU'RE MESSING THE THREAD. DISCUSSING RNG WON'T GET US ANYWHERE AND IT WON'T GENERATE CONVERSATION MORE THAN BRINGING READS TO THE THREAD. COME ON! mmhmm, "rng is disrupting scumhunting", a historically common scum response to rng. Like, I know i've been kinda joking a bit, but literally the most common scum response to rng is to claim that rng is disrupting the thread somehow (rather than just calling it bad or ignoring it) | ||
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On November 01 2014 09:20 jrkirby wrote: BH why didn't you let us discuss rng lynch before culculating the rng so we can tell if anybody changes their mind about rng based on the outcome of it? This is a fair question. The fact of the matter is, every rng lynch discussion that doesn't roll the dice goes like this. People basically vaguely talk about how rng is not great, or talk about stats about historical rng, or whatever. Nobody gets invested, nobody cares, nobody gives away reads, nobody is under pressure, and nobody gets lynched. Take a look at the low tier policy talk in ANY game. What makes me, and my RNG, different, is that it selects a target before people discuss whether it's good or not. Now scum are on the line. Now they suddenly feel a need to justify or NOT justify voting for or not voting for GB, who is probably their scumbuddy. They're in a tough spot and it absolutely wrecks scumteams. I'm different than most people, jrkirby. Most people don't policy. Most people don't have the rock-hard, cast-iron BALLS to push policy like I do. Policy isn't REAL unless you're willing to go balls to the wall to lynch your policy target. And by jove, I WILL lynch GB, just as I've lynched so many others with the power of RNG. It is inevitable. | ||
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On November 01 2014 21:01 GlowingBear wrote: But there are two problems here: 1) He came to the thread late when discussion was already generated. There is plenty of information to have reads now. So this excuse to use RNG is off 2) It rolled one of the most active and prolific player in the game, so the chance of a mislynch is very high. But he insists to use RNG. The whole point or RNG, GB, is that I don't have control over who is lynched. Nobody does. It's RNG. If it was "I'm gonna use RNG, but only follow up on it if the guy is a lurker", that wouldn't be RNG, that would be "BH likes to talk about RNG but when the chips are down he folds" and I am not a guy who folds when the chips are down. I take RNG seriously, and yes, sometimes RNG lands on an active scum instead of a passive scum. That doesn't make it less valid. On November 01 2014 21:25 Oatsmaster wrote: nah point 2 isnt relevant because RNGing then deciding to push that person defeats the purpose of RNG. So yeah these are mostly bad reasons why BH is scum. If BH was town, he would do the RNG shit too. But he would do additional stuff like trying harder to convince people to jump on the RNG wagon. Fair enough. Look at how GB has responded to RNG this game. Most people who don't like RNG just dismiss it, or call it bad (which eventually, it seeems he did). What GB isntead has done has said it was "disruptive" somehow (even though basically i was the only one voting along those lines) and responded with a counterattack against me. Is this how a town player, one who is familiar with RNG, would react? Why not just call RNG bad? Why not just call me scum for using RNG? Why call attention to the fact that RNG is disruptive to the town discourse, or say that it's unusually bad becuase it landed on him? This is not how my thought process would go if I were RNGed as town and I think it shows us that GB is scum. On November 01 2014 21:34 GlowingBear wrote: Slam, he had the chance to do it earlier. He came to the thread, someone sent him to dinner (lol) and he peace'd out. Why he didn't start the RNG that time and not now? Eh, I wasn't really planning to do it, but it turned out I had to go to dinner and didn't have enough time to do any other voting strategy or do a bigger analysis of the thread. I'm 100% sure I already said this. Didn' you read my filter? On November 01 2014 23:51 GlowingBear wrote: Ok oats. My first thought was that maybe we should lynch Kirby But after reading BH's previous games I want to lynch him so much. Explain? | ||
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On November 02 2014 00:39 Damdred wrote: While I would love to lynch GB today I mean I really would love to lynch gb. I am 100% not lynching into the biggest filter on day one. GB still hasn't delivered cases like hes promised or a lot of updated reads but hes usually not spammy as scum either so possibly a d3 lynch. BH has a shot at being scum for his inactivity really, misder has a decent shot I have legit IRL reasons for being inactive: I was busy eating dinner On November 02 2014 01:00 Damdred wrote: I said could be due to his inactivity, its just a meta suspicion bh has to do more or less to get a firm scum read. What about those cases and reads you promised gb don't mind GB he's just trying to opt out of the discourse by yelling about me and RNG, and hoping people don't pay attention to the fact that RNG is objectively a great strat, and it landed on scum last game. I can't believe anyone questions RNG at all any more | ||
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On November 02 2014 01:39 GlowingBear wrote: We are killing Damdred today Place your votes right now! I understand the lack of reasoning here. You're finally feeling the pressure of RNG getting under your skin, and so you decide to switch to the inarticulate Damdred who will not defend himself like I do, hoping to draw attention away from the fact that the gods have decreed your death. On November 02 2014 01:41 GlowingBear wrote: Trying to discredit me isn't going to work now, damdy. Anyone who reads my filter will see that I gave reads plenty of times. I even said that, by BH's meta, I thought he was scum. not sure I understand your meta read of me. In fact, at least 75% of the time that people make a meta read of BH=scum they're just wrong. I'm not really sure why, my scum meta is fairly straight forwards. In any case, stop trying to play with the big boys and admit it: you got gotted by RNg On November 02 2014 01:57 GlowingBear wrote: Jay, we are voting Damdred. Place your vote even though you just "proved" I was scum via meta? On November 02 2014 02:00 Oatsmaster wrote: explain with quotes and references, 500 words, 12 pt arial, double spacing, justified. Oats is town this game | ||
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On November 02 2014 02:23 jrkirby wrote: I changed vote when I realized I was completely misreading what alakaslam meant. Outside of certain corner cases, 90% of the time that people scumread Alakaslam it has nothing to do with his alignment, it has to do with the fact that Alakaslam's posting is always weird as heck. Not an insult, Slam-- just an observation. Let the blues take care of him. On November 02 2014 02:26 Holyflare wrote: 1) ObiWanShinobi <--- random town reads based off of almost nothing and talking about useless crap, talks about how much of a waste analysing jb is and then does it 5) risk.nuke - 11) Alakaslam - never have any clue really 12) Blazinghand - probably scummiest mofo, excuse for being afk for a ridiculous amount of time (dinner????????) and then rng to fill in the gaps of "content", then NOT pushing his rng target like a mofo and no fake rng case content after that 13) Damdred - massive long post on why jay is town and then asked to post reads and didn't post anything else despite saying he had more notes, pretty scummy especially when jay is super borderline not town that i wanted to put him on this list potential people to add: seuss jay tolkien \look dude the reason i had to do RNG is I had to leave for dinner. I'm back now and here to save u so let's lynch GB On November 02 2014 02:26 jrkirby wrote: Also, the longer we don't hear from blazinghand, the more I'm inclined to agree with Oats. Even if he does want an RNG lynch, he's not even pushing it like his hand is blazing. It just doesn't smell like a towny BH. I was at dinner! give me a break guys, don't you ever eat dinner On November 02 2014 02:47 Holyflare wrote: bh is probably the best lynch at the moment look the day even got extended, no problem we have time to consoldiate onto gb On November 02 2014 02:45 Holyflare wrote: each one of my list is quite clearly a reasonable case to lynch that person yeah actually your list post is fine as long as you pick a top guy and push him; ideally a top guy who isn't bh. you should flesh it out more On November 02 2014 03:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Did anyone actually CLAIM Aldor Peacekeeper? not me On November 02 2014 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Ehhhh....I think whoever is Aldor Peacekeeper is mafia. Making the lynch into a majority lynch speaks of someone trying to save whoever was up for lynch when it was plurality. :/ Anyone else getting that same vibe? ah, it made it majority lynch eh well I should prepare some non-GB scumreads then in case I can't convince you yahoos to get on him, since as the shennigan king I am solely responsible for the avoidance of no-lynches On November 02 2014 03:26 Holyflare wrote: i dunno i just thought the extra time was pretty pro town I think it's pretty pro-BH at least since I'd probably get jubjubbed since I had dinner up until now and now I get 27 hours to lynch GB instead of 24 On November 02 2014 03:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm probably going to end up voting BH when all is said and done. y | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:27 Holyflare wrote: well damd is aldor then i dunno how obvious he wants to be but i think that probably takes him off the table... maybe Well, assuming Damdred is aldor I don't think him using his ability is a tell outside of "damdred doesnt' want to die". If he's scum, he's using it because he's hoping we can't get a majority lynch together, and to save his ass. If he's town, he's using it because he doesn't want to get mislynched. It would have been a lot more interesting if someone ELSE had used the ability to save a lynch target-- that would give us more info once the target was flipped-- but someone saving themselves doesn't tell us much. On November 02 2014 03:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Like there's now a possiblity that we don't even GET a lynch. That move doesn't feel pro-town to me. I get what you're getting at here, and that's a fair statement. But I don't think you're adequately looking at this from Damdred's point of view as a potential townie. If he's town, he's not like you or I, who are like the Ancient Liches of being town. Damdred might not get what the consequences of majority lynch or no-lynching are. Most importantly, he might feel he can push his own read in 24 hours, and he wants to avoid a no-lynch. I don't draw much info from this usage of a power, because it's self-serving. If someone else used it on Damdred, that would tell us more. I'm not sure I get the damdred crumb, btw-- maybe someone coudl link me-- but if there's no real crumb, and no claim, that makes mafia involvement more likely. Someone silently extending D1 and added majority requirements to save damdred is probably playing against town. Soemone silently extneded D1 and adding majority requirements to save [i]himself[i] doesn't tell us about his alignment. Does that make sense? On November 02 2014 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: No that's not what I'm saying at all - I don't think what "cards" people are points to alignment at all. I think his USE of the power feels scummy as hell. Yeah, but even a townie coudl panick and try to save himself, right? On November 02 2014 03:31 Damdred wrote: Sure, i'm up for lynch and in a 9 hour time frame I doubt I could put out enough content especially when a lot of the other people who look scummy to me are somewhat policy lynches in the case of miser, GB shouldn't be lynched today due to the fact of the biggest filter though still hasn't done anything they promised so theres that, and i'm trying to bounce ideas about jrkirby to get feedback while i'm writing my case. So I really don't want to die as a power role i doubt i get nk'd because i'm a horrible towny, so its just lynch i have to avoid. This is the part where you claim your role, usually, not where you use your roll like a punk then make vague allusions to it. On November 02 2014 03:31 GlowingBear wrote: Funny that you can to the thread just to say that. Seems opportunistic to me. Also, huge coincidence that thing happening and you coming in here, right? dude what are you smoking, VE's point (at least the first part) is objectively correct oh wait you're scum how could I forget On November 02 2014 03:33 Holyflare wrote: damd has claimed aldor so i have no idea what you are trying to say with your last line there and what ve is saying makes sense and damd is your like 100% scum read so wtf dude interestingly, although I disagree with all of you about what Aldor means when used to save oneself, HF is spot-on in noticing yet another inconsistency in GB's reasoning (hint: GB is scum so all his reasoning is artificial). HF probably town. On November 02 2014 03:37 Damdred wrote: I have notes, i'd rather not crap up the thread with them all and i have to get my computer going. which person would you like them on dude this is literally the time to crap up the thread with your notes, what's wrong with you. What did you give us all this time for if not to read your "notes"? or are there no notes | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:39 GlowingBear wrote: He could've made them by now. C'mon. yeah as much as I hate to say it, GB is correct here. Damdred coudl easily have posted his notes, and even gave us an extra day to read them. So... where are they? On November 02 2014 03:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I already don't like a Damdred lynch. y On November 02 2014 03:45 Holyflare wrote: i mean if he HAD these notes then why the fuck would he need to increase the day time because he's afraid of being lycnhed in 9 hours????? all he has to do is copy and paste them seeing as that's the reason people are lynching him for ^^ that's the best reason why he's scummy HF telling it like it is ugh, am I gonna end up voting damdred over GB? that woudl be such a garbage move. I hate when I have to be right instead of hilarious On November 02 2014 03:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't see how him not pasting his notes matters. I just don't see any of the things that he's done as coming from an exclusively scum mindset. I'd press for more spotlight and stuff but I'm still not entirely sure what's going on with this push. I'm perfectly willing to let things play out for now because I have work in like 30 minutes and we have plenty of time to talk regardless. how could that possibly not matter. He just gave us time to not lynch him, and he supposedly has all these amazing notes, and now we have time to read them.... and where are they? so they obviously don't exist, which is fine, but not if he's gonna keep on stringing us along and wasting our time. | ||
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On November 02 2014 03:54 GlowingBear wrote: He is already predicting he is not going to be the night kill. Damdred, why did you use your power? I think he meant, "if i didn't claim, and also managed to avoid the d1 lynch, I wouldn't get nked since i look like shit, and then I'd get lynched d2". yup On November 02 2014 04:00 Damdred wrote: + Show Spoiler + ObiWanShinobi- Overall feeling no clue. Can never figure out Obis meta, but he seems town. The posts http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=19#366 seems a good mindset to have http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=19#376 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=33#659 Has tangible thought behind what he does. Compare it to Storm Mafia 2, or the game where he was scum that yamato did hes pretty towny and his mindset seems ok just wish he would give more content. LT- Null right now, his posts overall have been pretty trolly. Could possibly be mafia Jaybrundage- (notes redacted already in thread) Blazinghand- seems to be inactive leaning more towards scum meta with excuses to seem active. 10 hour dinner, next thing he will be posting boxes. Slam- I need to learn how to read him better, no clue Seuss- This guy seems pretty town currently, some concerns with the way he just hands out a few townreads but puts good pressure on me to give reads http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23207450 backs it up witih a vote. Could be scum looking for a good mislynch but leaning town currently. risk.nuke- no clue inactiveish VE- Not sure content seems sparse compared to other games. Gives townreads without much explanaiton http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=21#408 Says go after risk.nuke lurker Not opinonated like normal, this ve could be mafia Liancourt- Jokey about being scum but can't remember much. HF- looks like hf from ffl, look more into d2 Ritoky- Town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=26#506 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=26#508 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=27#528 pressures people follows it up, doesn't just focus on less visible people and shows a willingness to lynch people regardless even if they have the biggest filter Misder- Fished for roles, could be scum not sure seems pretty lurky. Circumstance- Possible scum http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=10#198 Shows a bi tto much knoweldge could be a misinterpretatio by me. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=32#638 Doesn't have a ton of reads showing and most of it is pretty easy to back off of. GB- (redacted thoughts are in thread) Jrkirby- (redacted in another file working on case) Oats- Brings attention to himself with fighting GB, can't really read oats well. He seems to have some thoughts and pushes gb and others, I think hes pretty towny but not sure. lets see if i did it right So damdred, your "notes" are a list post and they are: OWS null LT null JB ... redacted BH ... scum? inactive? slam: null seuss: town risk: null VE: null/scum Laincourt: scum HF: scum Ritoky: hmm, this is an ok town read. should have tracked followups to the questions in post 1 and post 2. more nnull reads and shit this is liek the worst list post ever. I would never organize notes liek this. here, here is what my notes look like: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fRgshQT.jpg?1) that's an example of good notetaking. In any case, damdred's notes are like, a travesty against notehood. on the other hand, I actually don't really care if damdred gets lynched or not any more. Somehow, my interest in lynching him has gone way down since he posted his notes. REading them is... somehow, it's like, depressing. It lowers my energy level. I can'gt even accurately quantify it, but it's like... it's like that feeling of being in bed and not wanting to talk to anyone. The mental version of physical exhaustion, or being tired of exposure to... damdred. honestly I usually feel this zeal to lynch people, and i just can't, erm, "get it up" for damdred. it being my zeal, of course. It seems like objectively I should want to lynch him for this list post that's pretending to be notes, but it's-- it's so half-assed. Shit man, I can't even deal with this. I'll formulate my read on him based on future things. | ||
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On November 02 2014 04:01 Damdred wrote: Some of its a bit out of date and bare bones didn't do a lot of filtering yesterday and haven't added to it today much Like on some level I want to lynch you just for how bad your notes are, but then a good portion of me thinks it's a bad move. I keep on thinking it's like "too scummy to be scum" 's evil twin sister, "too crappy to be scum" which is actually how I make some reads. Obviously if you're town here you've made some bad moves... but if your'e scum, what are you even doing? these notes are so bad. They could have been written in like 30 minutes. And the weird computer excuses (which were obviously written from a computer, mind you)? No, this is the evil twin of Lynch All Liars. You see, Lynch All Liars tells us to lynch people who try to fool town. But Damdred isn't fooling anyone. There's no lies here, in the sense of anyone being decieved. Just Damdred making weird noises. On November 02 2014 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Ehhh....like, I don't like that you redacted the JayB notes out because that was going to be what I used to determine whether the notes are fabricated or not. It's in a spoiler, why would you redact something out of them? UUUUGGGHHHHHHHHHH yeah this is also annoying. This ties into the whole damdred thing though, like.... if he were really lying. You'd think he'd at least do a good job of it, you know? On November 02 2014 04:04 GlowingBear wrote: ^ this. I'm killing damdred. See you guys in 25 hours. I, what? On November 02 2014 04:06 GlowingBear wrote: ... 2 separate things. 1) he is lying, BOOM 2) he post an analysis why someone is town but couldn't analyse why someone is scum, so... Not scum hunting BOOM LAL is a crap strat. There's a reason my policies don't include LAL and it's situations like this. On November 02 2014 04:06 Damdred wrote: sorry ve, i was just trying not to make thread cluttered if i messed up spoiler tag, GB won't even consider not lynching a power role zzzzz, at least ve is showing decent paranoia about my claim instead of just lynch damdred no matter what. GB is probably the mafia here this is the best lie I've ever seen. Like, the guy can't find this: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/41JSkPB.png) that's literally his reaosning for making weird "edits" to his "notes" it's obvious he wrote them on the fly. It's obvious, damdred. you can stop lying. It's ok. really. Only GB "believes" (i say this because he's scum and is just looking for an excuse) in LAL. On November 02 2014 04:09 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not talking anymore. If you guys don't lynch damdred I won't play this game anymore, so you should lynch me. Bye. yeah see, GB opting out of the thread become I can come back and end him. typical scum play. especially with like 30 hoursl eft in the day. | ||
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On November 02 2014 04:10 Damdred wrote: what the literal fuck.... i'm claiming a blue power role and this is the response? I post my notes though ve mad about redacting and this is what you do. Good job gb is a good lynch then I don't mind the help, Damdred, but you 100% have to explain in detail your thought process between here: On November 02 2014 03:31 Damdred wrote: Sure, i'm up for lynch and in a 9 hour time frame I doubt I could put out enough content especially when a lot of the other people who look scummy to me are somewhat policy lynches in the case of miser, GB shouldn't be lynched today due to the fact of the biggest filter though still hasn't done anything they promised so theres that, and i'm trying to bounce ideas about jrkirby to get feedback while i'm writing my case. So I really don't want to die as a power role i doubt i get nk'd because i'm a horrible towny, so its just lynch i have to avoid. And Here: On November 02 2014 04:06 Damdred wrote: sorry ve, i was just trying not to make thread cluttered if i messed up spoiler tag, GB won't even consider not lynching a power role zzzzz, at least ve is showing decent paranoia about my claim instead of just lynch damdred no matter what. GB is probably the mafia here And it's gotta be better than "GB doesn't blindly believe my claim" | ||
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On November 02 2014 04:12 Lord Tolkien wrote: gummybear, stop being such a cummybear FTFY On November 02 2014 04:15 Lord Tolkien wrote: zzzzzzz So what happens if we do bend over and damdred is town? Do we still lynch you? we lynch GB first. On November 02 2014 04:21 ritoky wrote: i dunno, maybe it's the former host in me, maybe it's the conspiracy theorist in me, maybe somethin else; it's just hard for me to imagine that there is 0 unifying themes between mafia members. role and fluff =/= alignment. I say this based on many themed games I've played on TL. Aldor Peacekeeper is an Paladin card, but let's be real here: Paladins can be real poopheads on the ladder. So we can't explicitly call it a scum or town card. Instead, look at how it was used (as VE said) and see whose agenda it supports ritoky ilu | ||
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On November 02 2014 05:19 Alakaslam wrote: Blazinghand you must You have the paint for this You must capitalize the opportunity heh On November 02 2014 05:20 Alakaslam wrote: He is under the impression that it cannot be a scum role. On November 02 2014 05:21 Alakaslam wrote: Also  the trying to use flavor to figure shit out. No. Any host knows how fun it is to Phux with people regarding that, I remember a game where mafia were the town and cops were the scumyeah. On November 02 2014 05:21 Lord Tolkien wrote: Well, Aldor suggests Paladin role, and Paladins are lawful good (and Uther is Alliance). And no one complains about Paladin in HS so I'm metagaming damdred as town. this is awful logic and you should feel awful for using it. but... if it gets you to vote GB... ok. next it seems Damdred writes a case and that deserves its own response from me | ||
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On November 02 2014 05:59 Damdred wrote: I think jrkirby is scum, His entrance to the thread was odd, GB pointed this out in another post but the first real post that starts raising my suspicion is here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=11#213 At this point, circumstance is being put under pressure for a slip on a word and his reaction is being tested. And the response that is given before any real explanation can be had is that circumstance is basically ok right now. It feels a little bit like a defend before any real information can be found out feels like buddying and given out a pass for no reason. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=18#351 gives out another townread without any explanation or going back to it. What was good about hfs posts exactly? Also he talks about the cat a good bit in his filter which is safe for scum to talk about, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=14#270 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=15#283 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=15#293 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=22#421 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#493 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#494 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=25#496 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=27#526 Most of his second page of filter is talking about the cat safely. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=29#568 Wants to lynch a lurker who was not really active to that point, low hanging fruit. He then goes on to talk about rng some, he seems some what against it but once BH answers him he says this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=31#604 He has a town lean on GB but why leave his LT vote who he thinks hasn't done anything and is scummy and go to GB who he town reads. This is weird, it seems like hes trying to find a safe spot to put his vote it seems like BH might get some support in the thread so he moves his vote to go with it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=32#622 Doesn't look like the GB lynch will take off so he moves back to LT once he looks up the stats on RNG lynch. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=35#689 Tries to find another spot to park his vote does not get the desired results chaulks it up o a misundersanding and moves on to misder http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=39#770 He then admits to being behind in the thread, goes on to say that he will try to read my filter again to answer gb http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=39#778 Never actually makes another comment about me (he has been absent though), and tries to jump on BH when someone else (oats) says he looks scummy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=40#791 Overall, He gives townreads without giving any thought, does not seem really to be scum hunting hes jumping his vote around to see what he can find easiest to lynch and really hasn't commented on a lot of burning issues. That in which he has commented on its been in a way thats easy for him to fall back from, I think he is scum and should be the lynch today. Thread entrance looks fine to me. he's giving a read. that plus the rando townread in HF certianly look more contributory than they are bit it is'nt an issue. I don't really care about his HF townread in any real way. it does seem like he has lots of fluff. his RNG vote is solid, then he backs off based on statisics (yes, when the GB lynch doesn't get traction). I don't think jrkirby has played an amazing game but i don't midn the reasoning he gave for moving off of rng. I don't want to lynch him today, and although he's made plkenty of safe posts, he hasn't made a lot of errors of reasoning or shown a scum mindset. You've made a good case for "jrkirby isn't doing a lot to help the town or drive discussion" which is.. ok, I guess. but jrkirby isn't me or VE. he gets a little time to get his shit together. I won't lynch him today. | ||
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On November 02 2014 06:32 GlowingBear wrote: If damdred flips mafia I'll lynch HF a bit more explanation of your unflipped associative read (ew) would be nice, scum. On November 02 2014 06:34 Holyflare wrote: I mean... Meh.. I read it and i can see why you think he is scummy but a lot of it is based on just unexplained reads which you never actually got him to explain so that doesn't make him scum it just makes him unexplained. A lot more people also talked heavily about the cat, one of them being jay who you super town read so not sure how you think kirby talking about it is scummy and then the rest is i dunno.... Just not scummy? Yeh voting for gb is weird but looking up the rng stats just seems like a lot of trouble to do and somewhat tedious for mafia to give a reason for unvoting someone who has the most pages in the game when he could literally just say that. Finding bh scummy is towny though yup, also yup to that last bit. if you're an inexperienced town player, your natural response to me is shock, awe, and terror-- so you fear me, and want to lynch me. On November 02 2014 06:38 Damdred wrote: The main difference I think is that Jay pressures people and tries to get reads out of people I believe with the two, throwing out the cat parts ok thats fine. BH would be a good bus though. more associative tells? Also, I make a crap bus, nobody ever lynches me as scum d1. it's always like d3-4 On November 02 2014 06:39 jaybrundage wrote: Hm weird Alakaslam said this so You should literally find out what "everyone" means. I can't wrap my head around the fact that you could do this as both alignments. It is such a scummy, mafia-esque trait. Here is an example of something you said that was distinctly wrong. I'm sure you will ignore it tho. Rofl you remind me of Cartman stealing Jimmy's joke and being completely oblivious to the truth. HF you really believe that you haven't been misrepresenting me at all this entire time. Oh my god, Wait, I totally get it now. All this time I have been mad at you HF for trying to misrepresent me. But now I realize that your ego has made you believe that things happened differently, that's what Alakaslam was trying to tell me. That you have such a huge ego that you do these mental gymnastics so you don't appear wrong. I thought you were intentionally being thick. But now I realize that some people have egos that are so out of wack. That no matter what people tell them. They can't accept the truth of what actually happened. HF I realize now that you can't help but think you never made a mistake, Because your ego won't let you think otherwise. Oh and btw and I couldn't give two craps if I'm almost on your list. You ARE still on my list. I have yet to see good reasons why you aren't scum. The only problem is that people that have played with you previously aren't getting any scum vibes. And as I have no previous experience playing with you that i can remember . I'm deferring to their judgement of you. yeah, so, some context about alakaslam. alakaslam is generally incoherent, and except for certain cases, unreadable. Sometimes he gets really motivated as town, or whatever, (like the more fun he seems to be having, and the more he cares about the game, the more town he is), but his posts are like, pretty much illegible in terms of content. As I've played wtih him more I've gotten better, but I still rely on blues to take care of him. All this doesn't mean you shouldn't read slam's posts, though. he is trying to help. he just speaks a different language. that being said, why are you flamebaiting HF? What's the angle here JB On November 02 2014 06:42 Holyflare wrote: It literally does not matter if i am wishy washy, "misrepresnting" or whatever. At the end of the day all i have to do is lead the town to lynch mafia and if you are posting about me representing YOU but then start posting about me town reading someone for their role when that didn't happen at all then all it does is make you look completely terrible. yeah I buy this. maybe it's just my way of thinking but this is a 100% town way to think/act. maybe HF is faking it, but he's not as good as me so I'm guessing not. heavy lies the crown. | ||
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On November 02 2014 06:49 jrkirby wrote: Where the hell are BH and Misder? The longer they are gone, the scummier I feel they are. To me, damdred reads like bad town, cracking under pressure. You shouldn't care that he claims blue though, because it looks like all the reds are going to have random powers too. But overall, it doesn't read like scum, more like clueless town to me. + Show Spoiler [Crazy Theory, not important] + Although I did for a second entertain a crazy theory - GlowingBear and Damdred are scumbuddies. GB pushes the Damd lynch day one, if it flips mafia he gets an easy rest of game. He's been on Damd's case since the beginning of the game literally. double bus, eh? possible. it happens. but towncred from a d1 lynch like this where both have suspicion doesn't last long enough for it to be a viable strat. we'll see. but yeah damdred not ag ood lynch today, HF is where it's at. aaand it looks like I'm caught up! Now I'll be interacting with people who have posted since I've started posting. On November 02 2014 07:09 Damdred wrote: BH welcome back to the thread when summoned, what do you think about other things happening in the thread? Busy today? you can see my many posts. | ||
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On November 02 2014 07:11 jrkirby wrote: It was probably OMGUS. That's what it looked like to me. BH, who do you read as scum? "it was probably OMGUS" is not a valid excuse. I don't think GB has had a town mindset this game. I will collate all my posts on GB once I am caught up in the thread to explain a solid case on him. I like GB for scum. there are a couple other weirdos who have made bad posts who I'd be okay with. I'm not down for lynching damdred today. On November 02 2014 07:13 Alakaslam wrote: BH you really think GB is scum yeah i'll make a post collecting my total thoughts on him, an ultimate case of doom. On November 02 2014 07:17 Damdred wrote: Ok BH is town, hes actually catching up and giving thoughts on stuff. He shouldn't be the lynch today even though he called me inarticulate not a good reason to townread me. -1 points On November 02 2014 07:18 jrkirby wrote: I no longer have scum reads on slam or LT. I think HF is town, not sure about circumstance tbh. I don't think I ever said GB was scum. It's been closer to null all game for him. Could go either way with how he's playing. If BH, misder or risk get lynched I wouldn't mind. BH's back in the thread so he might change my mind. Anyone else - I need some serious convincing, but I much rather have somebody lynched than nobody lynched. what makes it a null game for GB? he's been making a lot of posts and that's convinced many people... but not you? you unvoted him earlier. can you explain why, or who your head honcho for lynching is? it seems like you're lost, and you don't know who to lynch. seems like you need something to guide you. something untouchable. something pure. something perfect. something policy. something like RNG On November 02 2014 07:19 Holyflare wrote: Don't think this makes him town at all unless you think his mafia meta is literally to do nothing always in which case you are wrong. good smackdown that's probably it. On November 02 2014 07:20 Damdred wrote: Every time he has been scum that i've seen (if you can point me to a game woudl be cool) where all he did was make excuses post during certain time periods and never actually commented on anything. So give me a game to look at so i can have a better rounded opinon then in my offense, I did make excuses about dinner this game. in any case, if I tried to like claim I was moving house again, peopel would just autolynch me. you can only pull that one so many times. On November 02 2014 07:25 jrkirby wrote: Also, one thing for clairification. Damdred breadcrumbed aldor and then it happened, and then he claimed, right? Can someone quote or link these two posts for me, because I am sometimes a little slow about this. here's his crumb: (link) where he says he can lengthen the day here's his post (link) where he claims it and points out the crumb On November 02 2014 07:26 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/448443-you-only-shoot-once-mafia?user=Blazinghand http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?user=Blazinghand&page=2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/431052-hogwarts-mafia?user=Blazinghand <--- 15 pages http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/349678-bureaucracy-mafia?user=Blazinghand <--- 12 pages yeah i'm a pretty sicknasty scum player. don't forget my play as Eccleston either, that was dope On November 02 2014 07:31 GlowingBear wrote: I think his writing style is similar. ?details? you also must show how it's different than a game as town but you're not actually gonna do a meta read on me, area you? cause you're faking it cause you're scum. | ||
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On November 02 2014 07:34 Damdred wrote: There is my crumb. Then it happened, i did it yeah this definitely proves that damdred is either a blue or scum. On November 02 2014 07:38 Holyflare wrote: all this bh stuff looks pretty fake btw because reading the thread makes it all irrelevant [] bh cares [✓] bh doesn't care On November 02 2014 07:39 GlowingBear wrote: Funny how you hard defend damdred i'm not laughing. re you gonna make a point or waffle On November 02 2014 07:43 GlowingBear wrote: Well, this is not the game here, so that doesn't help me. Anyway, you can continue arguing with BH. what are HF and I arguing about? we've had like no interactions On November 02 2014 07:44 Holyflare wrote: like the only reason you pushed damdred is that he didn't have his notes and he's 100% scum for it (much like bh, ve etc etc) and now he has his notes and i'm "hard defending" someone you shouldn't even be scum reading anymore like wtf? all of GB's reads are entirely constructed/fabricated because GB is scum On November 02 2014 07:46 jaybrundage wrote: Not sure why I even respond to you cartman. And either prove it or stop yapping about your provable town role just treat him as town for now and interact with him reasonably, unless your'e going to push him. On November 02 2014 07:47 Holyflare wrote: gb you don't even mention obi hard defending damd BEFORE HE EVEN POSTED HIS LIST which is pretty bad if you're going to accuse people of hard defending and make associations oh man given obi's various shitposts this is pretty legit. Why hasn't GB been on OWS? | ||
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On November 02 2014 07:51 GlowingBear wrote: He had no scumreads. He put more effort to say why someone is town than to say why someone is mafia. When asked to make a list, he delays it for a lot of time, then comes back with notes with little content in them, drastically contrasting with his read on jay, which was much more in depth and which he says he just copy pasted. No post was quoted on his notes, just links. Why the jay read is so drastically different from every other? (Regarding writing style). He doesn't have a strong scumread HF, and you lynched bats for that. It makes me baffled that you didn't call damdred for that for so long. You have him time to write the list, HF. You know he could be writing them since I inquired damdred. Yet, when he had you his list; you were completely ok with that. so your scumread on damdred stays, but the reasons change, eh? So clearly one (the conclusion) is more improtant than the other (the reasoning that led there) cause you're scum On November 02 2014 07:54 GlowingBear wrote: HF, if you're town, you should be ashamed that you are tunnelled just because you RNGd. wat On November 02 2014 07:55 Damdred wrote: BH, I understand you don't like how I took those notes while i'm on my home computer.. but please at least be respectful some of the things you said were quite hurtful. I'm not lying I just can't play on the computer much to update them or keep them as neat and tidy as I want. So thank you, I really don't care anymore I got scum read for not posting my horrible notes and now bh wants to lynch me for horribly written notes. I'm not sure why I even bother here anymore. dude I was defending you so no need to get all snippy about it. You don't see me voting you, and I think we BOTH know you wrote those notes on the spot, and didn't have any before hand. That's fine. really. | ||
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On November 02 2014 07:56 Damdred wrote: It's meta reasoning, GB is playing towards his scum meta of making promises never delivering tunneling on one person and being very passive. I was scared to lynch into a big filter and I really still am. got evidence and links for this meta read? or are you just making things up. in any case, RNG doesn't lie. vote GB. On November 02 2014 07:58 Damdred wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466211-tl-mafia-lxviii-fanfic-crossover-edition?user=GlowingBear http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464753-arnie-got-his-gun-mafia?user=Glowingbear Compare the two games, you can be passive about how you do things and passive about how you say things gb. You are being passive about how you do things so you don't have like, details or whatever, specific posts you could easily link if you actually already read this, and you're going to make every other player do this? Dude Damdred I am super SOOPER lazy and I'm kinda hung over from all the dinner I ate so you gotta make this easier for me. On November 02 2014 08:02 Holyflare wrote: really think obi is scum for this chain of posts + rest of game stuff btw, when people like me and ve were posting infallible reasons why damd is probably scum for not posting notes obi the entire time was calling him not scum based on absolutely nothing whatsoever and how he didn't like the lynch at all. He quite literally says "not posting the notes doesn't matter" when it quite clearly DOES matter because that is what scum are going to do and not town. Town wouldn't lie about having notes at all and he doesn't even say this. OWS has defintely made some head-scratching posts, and his "confusion" about cards and alignment might be a scumslip, or might just be a lack of a town mindset / thought process. I think that's fair to say. I also don't like the part where he says "I don't see how him not pasting his notes matters" when it's like, literally THE THING that matters. If you look at a ton of OWSes posts from aroudn that time, they're all like "I don't know" and "I don't understand how" etc. He has no interest in solving the game, just casting doubt. This is scum-motivated. I buy it. I'll lynch obi for his weird posts if necessary to avoid a no-lynch. GB first though. On November 02 2014 08:12 GlowingBear wrote: I wanted to say BH and it went HF. Probably autocorrect ah, so this is a dscription of your annoyance that I RNGed you. you are aware of how RNG works, right GB? Unless someone makes a good case, and I mean a good one, I vote you and lynch you D1. The OWS case is decent. I think he has a solid chance of flipping scum. But not as solid as you do, GB. RNG has fortold it. so has it been written, so shall it be done. your response to rng, and your play in the back half of this d1, have been atrocious. wherea re your responses to the OWS case? why are you opting out of the thread? your intransigence has done infinitely more to derail a legitimate conversation than anything RNG ever did. And rightfully so: you want to derail the thread. you're scum. | ||
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GB for his awfulness and for the glory of RNG OWS for his doubt and lack of a townie mindset If someone has something else to bring to my attention, please let me know. I'd rather lynch GB than OWS; I think the case against GB as an actve-style scum is stronger (for you people) and he definitely got RNGed (my real reason). Nonetheless, I understand the importance of a avoiding no-lynch today and will consolidate onto OWS even though he's not my toip choice. | ||
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On November 02 2014 08:58 jrkirby wrote: So as I explained earlier, I only voted GB because I'd been convinced RNG was good. When I changed my mind on RNG, I changed my vote. GB is trying his hardest to get somebody lynched. Someone who he thinks is scummy. This is kinda townie. I just don't quite agree with all his reasonings. If you want me to go back to a GB vote, you'll have to convince me that GB is actually scummy. I'm just not seeing it right now. Right now, I think misder is the best lynch target. He was blue fishing, hasn't posted scumreads, and has been pretty AFK for the last day or so. If he wants to get ignored (a scummy thing), he's doing pretty well. Why wouldn't you lynch misder? just lurking and blue fishing doesn't do it for me. blue fishing is bad but i don't see scum doing it often enough to think it's a scum thing. you've haven't told me about his mindset, just that he hasn't posted much. if you want to convince me that a policy lurker lynch is better than RNG lycnh, which has worked 50% of the time I've actually gotten people to vote the guy, you'ave got another thing coming | ||
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On November 02 2014 09:15 liancourt wrote: Is this another herathstone reference I'm not getting? Although I understand the latter part. And can you answer my question I asked you about misder in the earlier part of the thread. The power changed the lynch from Plurality Lynch to Majority Lynch, in addition to extending the day. In Majority Lynch, it's much harder to get a lynch, potentially saving the lynch target. This is not a heartshtone reference | ||
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On November 02 2014 15:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: BH is one, maybe. You might be another if you keep this up. you're scum for the second part of that post | ||
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On November 03 2014 09:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: LT and risk. People are considering switching to Circumstance. ok. who do you think we should lynch? not that I value your opinion but who you choose to go after is informative | ||
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if it's possible that GB or OWS can be lynched, my vote goes on one of those two. If not, my vote will be on whoever has the most votes on them, so that there isn't a no-lynch. I am aware I sacrifice any towncred I would get for being right d1 but I suspect regardless that this is the best move I can make today. We can't afford a no-lynch. | ||
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On November 03 2014 12:43 jaybrundage wrote: BH whats going on with you. Do you think GB is scum or are you still going on about this RNG crap. yes | ||
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 I can honestly say scum shot me because of my faith in RNG. RNG in untouchable. | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:30 Alakaslam wrote: he had a lightning rod very powerful town martyr power. Prevents a scum kp but directs it at yourself ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HwQsYz7.jpg) FALSE My ability could only target a single person and redirect scum KP from them onto me. | ||
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Sometimes I wonder if hosts are afraid to give me truly powerful roles because they have no idea what I'd do with them. | ||
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On November 12 2014 12:41 Holyflare wrote: If i was town i don't think i would have got past his notes thing either and I'd probably had lynched him unfortunately I got past it*! The fact that he was lying about his notes was a towntell imo *: note, I got past the notes thing, which was a towntell.. I wanted to lynch OWS for unrelated reasons. | ||
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I defended you right up until you attacked me true fact, I said you were bad, not scum, then you're like "bh is mean therefore he is scum" and I was like wow, that logic is so contrived OWS must be scum | ||
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On November 12 2014 13:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Waste them like in fucking Catastrophe? What, wasn't this analysis good enough for you? http://i.imgur.com/zWwyJIt.png the only things I remember about that game besides that paint was using my power to resurrect you and catching a scum paperscraps | ||
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On November 12 2014 14:25 WaveofShadow wrote: You let yourself be lynched that game AS TOWN without doing anything and you had the most OP power in that game  Then you were rezzed and did something but it was negated. ehhh doesn't count if I rezzoed. if I got lynched it's almost always cause I replaced in | ||
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On November 13 2014 03:58 jaybrundage wrote: TBH HF was doing some weird shots. He kept switching on think on the basis of making them seem random or trying to make it appear that we had 1 shot instead of two. Can anyone comment on this. I wasn't sure if that was the best play. It worked out but I'm wondering what peoples opinions are of how shots should best me carried out in general I think scum won on the strength of their day play rather than their night shots, but generally I don't see a huge benefit to strategies besides shooting the towniest and most dangerous players, except for certain night-action specific things, like dodging doctor saves etc | ||
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On November 13 2014 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Also HF is despicable for taking advantage of a player who doesn't know any better, but that's a conversation for a different time and thread. On November 13 2014 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: What happened was that HF claimed that there was one person in the thread who know his alignment for certain (implying a mod-confirmed mason) and when rit came out with the mason claim that was just assumed to be the case. I didn't make sure that the mod actually confirmed HF with ritoky because distraction, and eventually (as with all things) it just became accepted that he was confirmed. I actually consider this to be next-level play, the kind of play I'd like to pull off. I'm sad that I wasn't able to do so first myself. | ||
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Of course, I never pay attention to anyone's ideas but my own and that of RNG, but the point stands: I'm very equitable in my ignorance. | ||
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On November 13 2014 13:05 Damdred wrote: GB doesn't know the glorious tunnel that is BH RNG. One day i hope rng lands on bh I live in fear of that day | ||
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