EPTIt's the same mistake I made D1. I thought I was being a bit cheeky and could because I've got at least some experience at the game. But as a new player, I'd say it's highly unrecommended.
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
It's the same mistake I made D1. I thought I was being a bit cheeky and could because I've got at least some experience at the game. But as a new player, I'd say it's highly unrecommended. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 15 2014 07:34 ketchup wrote: Again, I want to ask How is this a good post from a town perspective? Am I missing something on Req here? What are people seeing that makes him townie? He has neutral feelings towards soniv, but still votes him? He seems to not have a solid read on ANYONE. He voted me, and then said it wasn't because he actually thought I was scum? It's not a town perspective. Req's entire line of play has been incredibly self serving. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
I you guys are being fooled by Soniv that's perfectly fine, but I've already said where my vote is going. Frankly I don't see what's so convincing here that Soniv posted. I think one of the problems (myself included) is that people sit around and wait for somebody to post when they think they're scummy, then they come back and post and say 'well I liked that post, so and so can't be scum' Do you know how easy it is to appease people with a post like that? I'm not going in for it today. Yes req is playing liked shit now and his vote was shit too, but it doesn't make him scum. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On October 15 2014 07:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I will absolutely not be voting req today. I you guys are being fooled by Soniv that's perfectly fine, but I've already said where my vote is going. Frankly I don't see what's so convincing here that Soniv posted. I think one of the problems (myself included) is that people sit around and wait for somebody to post when they think they're scummy, then they come back and post and say 'well I liked that post, so and so can't be scum' Do you know how easy it is to appease people with a post like that? I'm not going in for it today. Yes req is playing liked shit now and his vote was shit too, but it doesn't make him scum. I don't mind if you don't vote Req. Stick to your Ghandi vote if you want. I already said I don't think it's a bad vote for game's future. A major reason you didn't vote ghandi again is me right? Well, I won't rag on you too much about it. On the other hand, if he flips red, you look amazing. I personally feel more comfortable voting for Req because he is very erratic, but unhelpful as town. What help has he given us as town? He supposedly puts me on the scum list, but doesn't think I'm actually scummy. He votes me because he was annoyed. He votes soniv for a similar reason. He has YET to make a real case on you even though he says you are top scum for him. What part of his game makes sense from a town perspective? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
He keeps taking completely unpopular points of view which are likely to get him lynched, he refuses to take advice or listen to those better than him. Tell me how drawing so much negative attention to oneself and acting the way he has toward others is scum play. | ||
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Alzadar
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ketchup
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On October 15 2014 07:50 WaveofShadow wrote: It makes sense from a shit town perspective, and zero from a scum perspective. He keeps taking completely unpopular points of view which are likely to get him lynched, he refuses to take advice or listen to those better than him. Tell me how drawing so much negative attention to oneself and acting the way he has toward others is scum play. That's a good point too. I just think there is a limit to how "newb" you can play the game. I also want to clarify that he didn't draw attention to himself. I drew attention to him earlier, and Soniv has pointed out similar things afterwards. So what are you voting Wave? Are you sticking to the soniv vote? Even though before, without my interference, you were 100% all in on Ghandi? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Both you and Soniv started tirades against me based on very shaky ideas and both tried to use misinformation and half truths to make me look as bad as possible. And then when that failed, you fell on "well he's different from day 1" as an excuse to keep going. Of course I am. Give me a fracking break. I'm voting Soniv because his pressure made no sense, as I noted here: + Show Spoiler + Just because I don't have a strong opinion on you, I'm scum. That is the entirety of your whole argument. That the shittiest reasoning I've seen in a long time, and I used to read GD. If you really are town and want to get the votes off of you, you should explain your own actions rather than make me repeat myself for the, what, fifth time? All you're doing is making me think you're more scum. This isn't bandwagoning (as you can clearly see from this entire exchange, I've remained very neutral up until this point), this is me looking at your actions (blame shifting, misinformation, fearmongering) and seeing you turn red. Whether that's just a townie screaming at nothing until his face turns purple or a desperate mafia, I don't know. As you can read (and I even copied it for you so you don't have to go into my filter and miss it again), his constant poking at non-points and failing to use simple logic makes me think he's trying way too hard to get people against me. It moves him up on my scum list. And since I'd rather vote on someone who I think may go through (Soniv) rather than someone who I know no one else but Jeff will vote on (Wave), I put my vote there. I could break it down further for you, but sometimes I'm optimistic and like to think that you're not that soft in the head. But then, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm terrible at this, just as terrible as I am at every game I play. Except 40k. Where I'll go now. Be back in a few hours or so. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On October 15 2014 07:50 WaveofShadow wrote: It makes sense from a shit town perspective, and zero from a scum perspective. He keeps taking completely unpopular points of view which are likely to get him lynched, he refuses to take advice or listen to those better than him. Tell me how drawing so much negative attention to oneself and acting the way he has toward others is scum play. This is both the most self-centered and stupidest post I've seen you make. Taking advice in a game where a full quarter to third of the people want to kill you? Yeah ok, let me get right on that. If my plays are stupid beyond belief, at least they're my plays and not being influenced by anyone else. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On October 15 2014 07:59 Requizen wrote: I've posted and responded and tried to help town, and repeatedly was told I was doing it wrong and that my posts were incorrect and stupid. So I'm trying something different. As it turns out, pretty much everything I do elicits a similar response. Both you and Soniv started tirades against me based on very shaky ideas and both tried to use misinformation and half truths to make me look as bad as possible. And then when that failed, you fell on "well he's different from day 1" as an excuse to keep going. Of course I am. Give me a fracking break. I'm voting Soniv because his pressure made no sense, as I noted here: + Show Spoiler + Just because I don't have a strong opinion on you, I'm scum. That is the entirety of your whole argument. That the shittiest reasoning I've seen in a long time, and I used to read GD. If you really are town and want to get the votes off of you, you should explain your own actions rather than make me repeat myself for the, what, fifth time? All you're doing is making me think you're more scum. This isn't bandwagoning (as you can clearly see from this entire exchange, I've remained very neutral up until this point), this is me looking at your actions (blame shifting, misinformation, fearmongering) and seeing you turn red. Whether that's just a townie screaming at nothing until his face turns purple or a desperate mafia, I don't know. As you can read (and I even copied it for you so you don't have to go into my filter and miss it again), his constant poking at non-points and failing to use simple logic makes me think he's trying way too hard to get people against me. It moves him up on my scum list. And since I'd rather vote on someone who I think may go through (Soniv) rather than someone who I know no one else but Jeff will vote on (Wave), I put my vote there. I could break it down further for you, but sometimes I'm optimistic and like to think that you're not that soft in the head. But then, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm terrible at this, just as terrible as I am at every game I play. Except 40k. Where I'll go now. Be back in a few hours or so. Okay dude, listen. This is a game. I'm not attacking you because of your personal character. I just want you to play better. Which is why I'm asking for certain things from you. I really don't know how to say this in any better way. | ||
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ketchup
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 15 2014 07:55 ketchup wrote: That's a good point too. I just think there is a limit to how "newb" you can play the game. I also want to clarify that he didn't draw attention to himself. I drew attention to him earlier, and Soniv has pointed out similar things afterwards. So what are you voting Wave? Are you sticking to the soniv vote? Even though before, without my interference, you were 100% all in on Ghandi? I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'll vote either of them. If people want to switch to Jeff that's fine with me. Req stop fucking martyring. I'm still not seeing what's so good about sonivs play that has made you change your mind ketchup. Deflection onto req is a really good tactic because he's proven to be extremely predictable in how he acts. Soniv who else is scum? We're at the point in the game where you've gotta have more than just one read. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 15 2014 07:59 Requizen wrote: I've posted and responded and tried to help town, and repeatedly was told I was doing it wrong and that my posts were incorrect and stupid. So I'm trying something different. As it turns out, pretty much everything I do elicits a similar response. Both you and Soniv started tirades against me based on very shaky ideas and both tried to use misinformation and half truths to make me look as bad as possible. And then when that failed, you fell on "well he's different from day 1" as an excuse to keep going. Of course I am. Give me a fracking break. I'm voting Soniv because his pressure made no sense, as I noted here: + Show Spoiler + Just because I don't have a strong opinion on you, I'm scum. That is the entirety of your whole argument. That the shittiest reasoning I've seen in a long time, and I used to read GD. If you really are town and want to get the votes off of you, you should explain your own actions rather than make me repeat myself for the, what, fifth time? All you're doing is making me think you're more scum. This isn't bandwagoning (as you can clearly see from this entire exchange, I've remained very neutral up until this point), this is me looking at your actions (blame shifting, misinformation, fearmongering) and seeing you turn red. Whether that's just a townie screaming at nothing until his face turns purple or a desperate mafia, I don't know. As you can read (and I even copied it for you so you don't have to go into my filter and miss it again), his constant poking at non-points and failing to use simple logic makes me think he's trying way too hard to get people against me. It moves him up on my scum list. And since I'd rather vote on someone who I think may go through (Soniv) rather than someone who I know no one else but Jeff will vote on (Wave), I put my vote there. I could break it down further for you, but sometimes I'm optimistic and like to think that you're not that soft in the head. But then, maybe you're right. Maybe I'm terrible at this, just as terrible as I am at every game I play. Except 40k. Where I'll go now. Be back in a few hours or so. Req, you posted stuff that you were clearly having opinions on, but your reasons for arriving at them was poor. You continually made and still make "I'm new/I'm bad at this" posts (this post is a case in point) and you're a huge martyr. You have been erratic and generally anti-town. You wasted your D1 vote. You have OMGUS'd not once, but twice. @Wave - I acknowledge what you're thinking. And I agree, it doesn't make much sense for scum to do that. And that is the line of thinking that a somewhat experienced player would have. But this is a game full of noobs and Req has made damn sure that we know he's one of them. There's a reason that the things I have listed above are tried and true scumtells. FUCKING JEFF WHERE ARE YOU | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 15 2014 08:01 Requizen wrote: This is both the most self-centered and stupidest post I've seen you make. Taking advice in a game where a full quarter to third of the people want to kill you? Yeah ok, let me get right on that. If my plays are stupid beyond belief, at least they're my plays and not being influenced by anyone else. Bt req what you don't understand is that shit DOESNT MATTER. Mafia is not a game of independence, it's a game of coming together and attempting to trust people so you can root out the scum in the midst. How the fuck would anyone ever get that done if everyone had their own agenda and never listens to anyone? You're missing basic concepts here and getting mad when people attempt to explain why you're wrong. If this IS a scum tactic of wasting our time then bravo. I'm done defending you at this point, req. I've tried to help consistently but you continue to lash out at me. If you get lynched now it's your own damn fault, not that you probably care. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On October 15 2014 08:07 jcarlsoniv wrote: Req, you posted stuff that you were clearly having opinions on, but your reasons for arriving at them was poor. You continually made and still make "I'm new/I'm bad at this" posts (this post is a case in point) and you're a huge martyr. You have been erratic and generally anti-town. You wasted your D1 vote. You have OMGUS'd not once, but twice. @Wave - I acknowledge what you're thinking. And I agree, it doesn't make much sense for scum to do that. And that is the line of thinking that a somewhat experienced player would have. But this is a game full of noobs and Req has made damn sure that we know he's one of them. There's a reason that the things I have listed above are tried and true scumtells. FUCKING JEFF WHERE ARE YOU Yeah and MB did the same thing. So did Asmo. So did coma (I think?) Are they all scum? I'm drawing the line where I think it needs to be drawn. I'm also done discussing this as it's not productive in my opinion. What I would like to know is who else is scum Soniv? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
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ketchup
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On October 15 2014 08:06 WaveofShadow wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'll vote either of them. If people want to switch to Jeff that's fine with me. Req stop fucking martyring. I'm still not seeing what's so good about sonivs play that has made you change your mind ketchup. Deflection onto req is a really good tactic because he's proven to be extremely predictable in how he acts. Soniv who else is scum? We're at the point in the game where you've gotta have more than just one read. I mostly have reservations about voting him this early in the game. I think he could be helpful in the future. I think right now, both you and him can be helpful in the future so I think it's not the best play to vote either of you. At this point, I just want people to actually play the game more. Mordek, Ghandi, Asmo, owb, cixah, coma, alzadar are all so quiet. If anyone else can speak up, it would be great. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 15 2014 08:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok I just read you're leaning coma and probably Jeff. no shit maybe once you take off those blinders because YOU WANT TO KILL ME OH SO BAD, you'll actually read my posts today. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 15 2014 08:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah and MB did the same thing. So did Asmo. So did coma (I think?) Are they all scum? I'm drawing the line where I think it needs to be drawn. I'm also done discussing this as it's not productive in my opinion. What I would like to know is who else is scum Soniv? Req stepped way whatever line you're drawing. MB did do the same thing, you're right. And you agreed with me when he did it. Several others have done it as well here and there. It has been the entire theme of Req's posting history. | ||
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