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mordek
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
##vote jcarlsoniv be back later | ||
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Cixah
United States11285 Posts
Our lynch today from my perspective feels like we glean the most from Ghandi, Soniv doesn't feel right here to me. We need a lynch on scum today and I feel like Ghandi is the best still, even close to 24 hours later. Ketchup and Alza, You two have been a little quiet today for my tastes. Not the worst thing in the world, but I need to know your opinions here. You have the gun in your hand right now, are you killing Soniv, Ghandi, or Req. Ignore any other out lying factors. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On October 15 2014 04:46 Cixah wrote: For a 2, potentially 3 faction game we have 6 factions and that shit needs to stop. Our lynch today from my perspective feels like we glean the most from Ghandi, Soniv doesn't feel right here to me. We need a lynch on scum today and I feel like Ghandi is the best still, even close to 24 hours later. Ketchup and Alza, You two have been a little quiet today for my tastes. Not the worst thing in the world, but I need to know your opinions here. You have the gun in your hand right now, are you killing Soniv, Ghandi, or Req. Ignore any other out lying factors. The answer's in my vote. We learn roughly equal things from Soniv and Ghandhi lynches, but Soniv is more dangerous left alive if he's scum. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
/master of manipulation | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On October 15 2014 02:53 Alzadar wrote: What do we learn from a Soniv lynch? If he's red then Jeff probably is too; the reverse is also true if we lynch Jeff. can you explain this? i was inclined to believe the opposite because of them pushing each other lately. if that's true i would feel much better about my #1 and 2 reads. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
jcarlsoniv (6): ketchup, WaveofShadow, AsmodeusXI, mordek, Alzadar, Requizen GhandiEAGLE (2): ComaDose (1): Requizen (1): jcarlsoniv ketchup (0): Not voting (2): people Currently, jcarlsoniv is set to be lynched. Day 2 ends in Remember that voting is mandatory. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On October 15 2014 00:28 jcarlsoniv wrote: Well that's really not that acceptable. There have been some good arguments in favor of my lynch, surely you can come up with something. Please take the time to formulate a read of some sort. I really do like this post by Soniv. I think he could very well be mislynch. It shows town tendencies. It helps that Req is already someone I think isn't play sincerely. People are finally realizing that Req isn't playing normally. He is doing the bare amount of "reads". Those posts he made in night stage were really bad. ##Unvote Reading the last few pages of the thread since I went to sleep, I still have suspicions about Req. Soniv has actually pointed out a lot of the issues I have with Req's play this game. The bigger problem is the massive bandwagon on soniv that wasn't really there before. People are still pinging out GhandiEagle as well, but not voting for him. I feel people are jumping on the bandwagon easily. I like Soniv's defense of himself, because no one else is doing it. Alaric's case on Soniv sucks. It's really bad. Soniv is trying pretty hard to defend himself which says a lot to me: + Show Spoiler + On October 15 2014 03:39 Alaric wrote: Which brings me to Soniv's behaviour, which surprised me a bit. You're not defending yourself at all, and apart from the last few posts (I'll come back to that) you actually pretty much ignore the attacks against you to discuss other people. Now I'm not saying it's inherently bad, I just gave it some thought and came up with a few possibilities: - you're resigned to your lynch (see last post and your "everybody seems to want me dead"). That would be pretty scummy as I figure a townie would fight to the end to try to at least force discussion and get information out for everyone to read, even if he's doomed. On the other hand I find it likely because as said it's too early in the day to bury you, and I believe yout o be tougher than that. - you're disinterested and don't care if you die. Nope. No chance in Hell. - you're not upset because you know it's early in the day and that things are as likely to swing during the next 24 hours (It's Mafia! Maybe we'll end up lynching ketchup today!). You know focusing on defending yourself would only may you look worse and you don't find that case on yourself that strong anyway. I'm leaning for the 3rd one just because you're a vet, but maybe I'm missing something. Care to tell? If I had a choice between Req/Soniv today, I actually am changing my mind. I think Soniv can help us for the later rounds while Req will just pretend he doesn't know how Mafia works, and give no reads again throughout the day. He votes on me without any real reads because he doesn't think I'm scum? Why vote on me then? Because I dared him to do it? What a joke. If Wave really wants to push GhandiEagle, and there is a lot of backlash on him here, then I won't fault him for it. Mostly because A LOT of people have pinged GhandiEagle, and no one actually finds him helpful for town. ##Vote Req | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
##Unvote: Soniv ##Vote: Req | ||
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ketchup
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On October 15 2014 04:04 ComaDose wrote: Interestingly the people that joined the bandwagon to lynch me, like alaric and req, are at odds with soniv now making me feel like there is nothing to learn about mafia following soniv from that exchange. especially because neither of them voted for moonbear day 1. That's actually exactly why I've went to you ComaDose: because everyone's on Soniv, I don't think town would get anything from me joining the party, so I investigated other people... like you, who got left off the hook thanks to the Soniv bandwagon. Maybe I misread, but you're wrong in that I did vote Moonbear (I wasn't sure of it and I fucked up, but I still voted him). There's something from your different posts, though. You've been mentioning Soniv, Ghandi, Asmo and (more or less) Req, but when trying to draw associations, you said: - Soniv + Ghandi scum is unlikely - Soniv + Asmodeus scum is unlikely So you bring up names but then you invalidate them through associations. Are you saying that you're having trouble to commit (which is unfortunate because once someone flip it may be too late even if it gives you conclusions, if we mislynch), but that you think Soniv shouldn't be lynched? Who are your reads then? From looking at the recent posts in your filter it looks like you're leaning Ghandi+Asmo, but you're refusing to say the word. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Alaric
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 15 2014 07:03 ketchup wrote: Err just to make it bold: ##Unvote: Soniv ##Vote: Req at least someone is coming to their senses On October 15 2014 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Soniv the best thing you can do right now if you're town is do what you haven't done in like fucking ages. Provide some reads. HELP OUT THE TOWN in some way. If you die and flip green this way we'll have a whole bunch to work with Your vote/case on Req doesn't help you much in my eyes. There are a lot of people in this game still, and I have no idea what you think about most of them. When I think someone is town, I say that they're town. When I think someone is scum, I say that they're scum. There's no use in me stating that I have null reads on all of these scummy as fuck lurkers, just as you do. I have already said that my town reads are you, ketchup, 6ah (obviously), Alaric, and probably Alz. You know my biggest current scum read right now is Req, and somewhat lesser than that is Coma. I thought you were on to something with Asmo until he made his case on me; now I'm not so sure. The rest are a bunch of god damn lurkers that I don't know how to get a read on. I'll probably put my eye to one tonight to try and glean any semblance of usefulness. This whole thread feels like town yelling at each other for the most part while a bunch of people are watching. There's my stupid fucking list post, all of my reads can be found in the thread, as I know for a fact that I've said them all. Speaking of scummy as fuck lurkers...Jeff, where the fuck are you | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On October 15 2014 07:11 Alaric wrote: Ketchup it wasn't a case. When I say I'm just curious and asking questions, I mean it. Soniv acted differently from most so far, including other vets (even Tolkien addressed accusations against him, although he did it by trashtalking their authors), and that made me curious since he's experience. I thought there was maybe something to glean about how the game is played here. Eh, a lot of the suspicion on me is for my general play and how wave thinks I should be playing. I have addressed posts as they've come, surely. You were curious why I wasn't defending myself as you thought I would defend myself. And I was totally fine with the questions you asked. And I explained my play as best I could, and am looking to kill scum. I am no stranger to being the target of a bandwagon, and experience has told me that helping find scum is better than being concerned about dying. | ||
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ketchup
14521 Posts
I'm really happy with Soniv's responses so far. I like the fact that he will admit that his play did seem like he was pocketing people, but it wasn't it. It's a clear and simple defense. It appeals to me because that's the best defense he probably could have given for me. I think even if it doesn't clear the top three I had, it does help make me more comfortable with them. At this point, if people want to go after Ghandi, they can feel free to. I think Soniv is at least more helpful than Ghandi, and Req combined. Soniv is also potentially a lot more helpful to have in the later day stages than a lot of the lurkers. Speaking of, mordek, can you give some reads of your own? As in, can you post about how you feel about people now? I don't mind lists. Make a list of everyone. On October 15 2014 07:11 Alaric wrote: Ketchup it wasn't a case. When I say I'm just curious and asking questions, I mean it. Soniv acted differently from most so far, including other vets (even Tolkien addressed accusations against him, although he did it by trashtalking their authors), and that made me curious since he's experience. I thought there was maybe something to glean about how the game is played here. Ok, thanks for clearing that up. It looked like you were trying to hammer him, but I guess I misunderstood. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On October 15 2014 07:08 Alaric wrote: That's actually exactly why I've went to you ComaDose: because everyone's on Soniv, I don't think town would get anything from me joining the party, so I investigated other people... like you, who got left off the hook thanks to the Soniv bandwagon. Maybe I misread, but you're wrong in that I did vote Moonbear (I wasn't sure of it and I fucked up, but I still voted him). There's something from your different posts, though. You've been mentioning Soniv, Ghandi, Asmo and (more or less) Req, but when trying to draw associations, you said: - Soniv + Ghandi scum is unlikely - Soniv + Asmodeus scum is unlikely So you bring up names but then you invalidate them through associations. Are you saying that you're having trouble to commit (which is unfortunate because once someone flip it may be too late even if it gives you conclusions, if we mislynch), but that you think Soniv shouldn't be lynched? Who are your reads then? From looking at the recent posts in your filter it looks like you're leaning Ghandi+Asmo, but you're refusing to say the word. yeah I am second guessing my reads for the reasons i mentioned in those posts. just trying to get my thought process out in the open in case anyone has anything to add. no doubt about me feeling the ghandi scum as that is where my vote presently lies for the reasons i outlined. my confusion about associations isn't strong enough to move my vote yet. But like i said him and soniv argued on the next page and i also had been leaning toward soniv for a while. also like i said I didn't want to forgive asmo so quickly for the not so explained jump on moonbear wagon but then he made an elaborate post calling for a lynch on soniv (which convinced a lot of people he wasnt scum). hmmm i just dont know i should even be trying so hard to draw connections between the three and maybe i should just be focusing more on identifying one bad one as opposed to connections between them. It wouldn't be hard to stage conflict. that's another reason i asked alzadar to confirm why he thought ghandi and soniv were likely both red if one of them is. if i can understand his reasoning i could approach this differently. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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ketchup
14521 Posts
On October 15 2014 04:38 Requizen wrote: Whatever ##vote jcarlsoniv be back later How is this a good post from a town perspective? Am I missing something on Req here? What are people seeing that makes him townie? He has neutral feelings towards soniv, but still votes him? He seems to not have a solid read on ANYONE. He voted me, and then said it wasn't because he actually thought I was scum? | ||
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ketchup
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