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On October 15 2014 08:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I was following the Wave-Soniv thing with a lot of interest, and Soniv is still my #1 most wanted. Right now, he's the only lynch other than me (but I'm innocent, I'm afraid) that tells us a lot.
What does it tell us Jeff? I want to hear it in your words, I don't want anyone else answering this question.
Soniv, on the other hand, has had a few important relationships with a lot of people, and I don't need to go into it since Ketchup described my feelings in a post yesterday ('bout those yung pockets). It confirms what I believe in that Wave and Ketchup are both town (Req that ketchup vote was just straight stupid).
I have already addressed the concerns about me "pocketing" people. They were all examples of me changing my reads on people, something wave has said I haven't done. The 3 examples were Alzadar, ketchup and wave, all three of which I have changed my reads on.
I still think Soniv right now as #1 scum, or at least best possible lynch at the moment. He says a lot, but in reality he never really does much when he points fingers. He tends to separate those posts. Also, he's doing the pretend rage thing that I called him out for earlier. That's scummy. Or, at the very least, it's fishy.
So I'm your #1 scum read for "pocketing" people. And to everyone claiming that I'm faking rage (wave, you're continually smearing your bullshit) - I am not mad, I am frustrated at how thick headed wave is playing. I am trying very hard to remain level headed because having two people yelling at each other over and over is not a good town atmosphere, and wave is trying to bait me really hard.
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Fuck that it's almost 2 AM. I may post a little but don't expect nothing significant until ~10 hours from now (maybe less, since there's no deadline tonight I hope I won't have as much catching up to do). Thing is I start being up to date and "available" at ~5-8 AM depending ony our timezone so yeah that doesn't help.
Ghandi's practicing for work commuting already, damn. :|
More serious stuff before I go submarine under my blanket: the whole "distraction" Ghandi talks about, I guess I can be listed for Asmo. But both times I wanted to grill him (only voted the first one, because the 2nd was while I was catching up and he had his Soniv case in-between) he actually made a pretty sensible and well-constructed post that actually contributed.
I'll admit that maybe we can look into the timing of these, and if Soniv gets lynched and flips green it'll be twice that Asmo makes the post that gives traction to a mislynch, but I don't think he'd be able to manipulate us like that as scum, especially two times in a row.
Also appreciated that you get more into things, although you end up saying "the only flip that'd give us as much info as mine would be Soniv's... who happens to be the other bandwagon atm", which is a little convenient don't you think? 
Then again if you were trying to push your "town agenda" you told us that you'd target Wave, and I think it's pretty safe to say we aren't lynching Wave.
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Are Wave and Ghandi both planning to lynch Soniv by "default" because they can't lynch each other? x)
This is feeling a little surreal.
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aye jeff stop discrediting me out of hand.
i said - no mafia voted for you, you switched to moonbear when in threat (i.e. joined townie linch band wagon), and your reads since were wishy washy. now i want to add the discrediting me out of hand too because you don't really address my points. ive already addressed the new point that i brought up.
i didnt say nuthin bout hunting lurkers (that would be pretty hyprocritical of me)
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i mean to say i already pointed out the new point that i brought up ... fuckin edits
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I think if Wave really kept pushing the agenda he could probably get me lynched, I'm just not on the tip-top of his list right now.
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Coma, when I mentioned you and lurkers, I'm saying that lynching you would get us nowhere, not that you said anything about lynching lurkers.
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I was actually saying that you SHOULDN'T be lynched.
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oh sorry i didnt read carefully enough and you did say
I feel like he's using my infamy for his safety.
without really combating my points so i thought you were continueing that line of thought in defense instead of reading me.
im not a lurker anymore guys i ate all the turkey and my bff is back in B.C.
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I'm not going to defend myself by saying my town-play is stellar by any stretch of the imagination but to say I hopped on the Ghandi-wagon is laughable. I've been on that train for a looong time and it's not even my current vote lol.
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Okay. Back and ready to fight on.
After my post, Soniv's made decent plays as both scum and town (WIFOM, I know, just bear with me). He's marginally addressed my post: not drawing too much attention to it, but also no hard denial/OMGUS. That's a town reaction, especially so far from deadline. He's also found someone to go after, which is the town's good work should Req bleed red. That's another seemingly town interaction. However, the manipulation factor is still relevant. At this point, we all kinda know how Req plays: volatile states, prone to lashing out. It's emotional play because Req's a sensitive dude (and this is not meant to offend sir), and it's easily manipulatable (even ketchup got his goat, and that was probably unintentional). If Soniv wants to cover his tracks well, the best way to do it is to set off Req since it's unlikely he'll be able to get a rise out of Wave at this point, and no one else has proven to be so easy to control (again, don't mean to offend buddy). That also fits in with the "fake anger" that Alaric pointed out: play an emotional game, get easy emotional feedback. I think the intent of this is to get the focus away from Soniv and onto Req, and I think it's working. Which is dangerous (Wave sees that).
Furthermore, Soniv's other reads are still lurkers like Coma and Ghandi. I genuinely don't believe that lynching a lurker does the town that much good atm. I think the scummers are at least more active than Coma, especially since they had a pretty great first cycle. When you're winning, you stay more invested. I believe any given lurker is most likely to be town, including Coma, despite his lack of good content (which pisses me off a lot, but doesn't necessarily make him scum).
Unfortunately for those of us on Soniv's trail, Jeff is another story. Jeff's posting looks fishy as fuck, fishy enough that most people smell stink coming from his direction, real or not. What's interesting to me about Soniv's perspectives is that there have been indications that (after Req) Soniv's next target is Coma, and not the more egregiously suspicious Jeff.
For posterity (and I acknowledge this may have changed):
On October 15 2014 07:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 07:03 ketchup wrote:
Err just to make it bold:
##Unvote: Soniv
##Vote: Req at least someone is coming to their senses Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv the best thing you can do right now if you're town is do what you haven't done in like fucking ages.
Provide some reads.
HELP OUT THE TOWN in some way.
If you die and flip green this way we'll have a whole bunch to work with
Your vote/case on Req doesn't help you much in my eyes. There are a lot of people in this game still, and I have no idea what you think about most of them. When I think someone is town, I say that they're town. When I think someone is scum, I say that they're scum. There's no use in me stating that I have null reads on all of these scummy as fuck lurkers, just as you do. I have already said that my town reads are you, ketchup, 6ah (obviously), Alaric, and probably Alz. You know my biggest current scum read right now is Req, and somewhat lesser than that is Coma. I thought you were on to something with Asmo until he made his case on me; now I'm not so sure. The rest are a bunch of god damn lurkers that I don't know how to get a read on. I'll probably put my eye to one tonight to try and glean any semblance of usefulness. This whole thread feels like town yelling at each other for the most part while a bunch of people are watching. There's my stupid fucking list post, all of my reads can be found in the thread, as I know for a fact that I've said them all. Speaking of scummy as fuck lurkers...Jeff, where the fuck are you
To me, this says that Jeff is sacrificial scum: the scum (read: Soniv) know he's going down eventually, but they're going to try and put off a lynch on him until they get as many lurky town-peeps as possible. Definitely Coma, but I don't know if it ends there. Maybe Soniv rounds back on Alz (but here my reasoning gets less event-based, so let's avoid mere ideas).
@Cixah - I think you can gather from my thoughts that I think Req is misguided town. If he's scum, it's a damn masterful job. owb is less clear. Not a lot of content, lots of questioning without a real opinion in a while, and his last vote with an OMGUS against Jeff. That doesn't look very town.
On October 14 2014 11:29 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 08:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
also OWB is lurking so fucking much, holy shit
pls post dude Holy shit I might just lynch Jeff for this post. I was more active than him during the first half of the night phase and then he comes out of no where and makes this post. Which fine, I've been away for a lot of the game, but I had also posted this before Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 04:42 onlywonderboy wrote:
I have to go to work now so I'll be gone for most of the evening. I should be able to check back in tonight after the night phase ends and see what's going on. If not I'll definitely be able to catch up during my morning class tomorrow. You even reading the thread? It's fine that you were away because of real life responsibilities, but I'm scum for it? Okay. ##Vote: GhandiEAGLE
owb for me at the moment is leaning scum, just from those three things, now that I think about them. But he could also be genuinely curious and unsure in a mafia game. His posts read like they do in RL. So I can't be sure. I also can't get a read on mordek to save my life, but with a soniv vote that leans me in favor of town for now, just for agreement's sake. We'll see.
As far as participation goes, I have some thoughts to share post-game. However, now they'll just come off as noob whine or some other cancer, so it's not really the time nor place.
TL;DR - I'm still feeling good about my scum read on Soniv, so that's where I'll stay. LT wouldn't be the first person he's convinced he's town (that honor is mine), so I'm not letting up until this ugly feeling is gone, hopefully in the form of some red blood.
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I'm sure you guys understand the kind of time commitment it takes to come up with genuine posts to contribute. I appreciate what Asmo just put together and all the other posts prior. I recognize I'm not furthering the town's game as much as I could but i'm also trying to keep IRL stuff in perspective. I honestly don't just have an hour to delve into all the little interactions like I should. I'm lurking in the sense that I read almost everything within two hours of it being posted during my waking day but don't have much to add with superficial agree or disagree comments (according to the guide every post should be deliberate and contribute  )
Here's what I can add with minimal time, my current spectrum (town -- scum):
Cixah - Alaric - Wave - owb - Req - Alz - Asmo - Coma - Soniv - Ghandi
Cixah - Confirmed Town
Alaric - Posts have consistently been helpful and insightful
Wave - Has provided direction and initiation
owb - solid points here and there but posts are sporadic (in my casual game mindset not that much of a knock)
Req - I think the erratic town description was fitting and sits right with me
Alz - I keep coming to the same conclusions so I'm not sure if scum playing me well or what, props either way
Asmo - Pretty good posts when he shows up, I think his current position in my mind is swayed heavily by Wave's posts
Coma - Honestly coma posts like coma sooo yeah. I can't get a read but lurkerish and I'd rather he not slip through for too long
Soniv - Had a feeling from the beginning and I just haven't been able to shake it :/ sorry bud
Ghandi - He's been called on it and nothing he's said shows me town. It's possible we're tunnel visioned and he's just not getting through to everyone but seems highly unlikely. The simple explanation is usually the correct one.
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fyi it's my bed time I'm nodding off lol
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whats so wrong with my content.... 
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besides the lack there of
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You guys are absolutely tunnelvisioning on me being scum.
I'm not.
There are less reasons than before, but I think a couple certain people have good reasons and then other newbs misconstrue these reasons as clear evidence that I'm scum.
Also why am I seen as a lurker? I lurked on day 1, but other than that I've been posting whenever possible. I have one of the longest filters. It's not Wave-Ketchup status but it's certainly not Coma-Mordek status.
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On October 15 2014 10:40 AsmodeusXI wrote:Okay. Back and ready to fight on. After my post, Soniv's made decent plays as both scum and town (WIFOM, I know, just bear with me). He's marginally addressed my post: not drawing too much attention to it, but also no hard denial/OMGUS. That's a town reaction, especially so far from deadline. He's also found someone to go after, which is the town's good work should Req bleed red. That's another seemingly town interaction. However, the manipulation factor is still relevant. At this point, we all kinda know how Req plays: volatile states, prone to lashing out. It's emotional play because Req's a sensitive dude (and this is not meant to offend sir), and it's easily manipulatable (even ketchup got his goat, and that was probably unintentional). If Soniv wants to cover his tracks well, the best way to do it is to set off Req since it's unlikely he'll be able to get a rise out of Wave at this point, and no one else has proven to be so easy to control (again, don't mean to offend buddy). That also fits in with the "fake anger" that Alaric pointed out: play an emotional game, get easy emotional feedback. I think the intent of this is to get the focus away from Soniv and onto Req, and I think it's working. Which is dangerous (Wave sees that). Furthermore, Soniv's other reads are still lurkers like Coma and Ghandi. I genuinely don't believe that lynching a lurker does the town that much good atm. I think the scummers are at least more active than Coma, especially since they had a pretty great first cycle. When you're winning, you stay more invested. I believe any given lurker is most likely to be town, including Coma, despite his lack of good content (which pisses me off a lot, but doesn't necessarily make him scum). Unfortunately for those of us on Soniv's trail, Jeff is another story. Jeff's posting looks fishy as fuck, fishy enough that most people smell stink coming from his direction, real or not. What's interesting to me about Soniv's perspectives is that there have been indications that (after Req) Soniv's next target is Coma, and not the more egregiously suspicious Jeff. For posterity (and I acknowledge this may have changed): Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 07:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 07:03 ketchup wrote:
Err just to make it bold:
##Unvote: Soniv
##Vote: Req at least someone is coming to their senses On October 15 2014 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv the best thing you can do right now if you're town is do what you haven't done in like fucking ages.
Provide some reads.
HELP OUT THE TOWN in some way.
If you die and flip green this way we'll have a whole bunch to work with
Your vote/case on Req doesn't help you much in my eyes. There are a lot of people in this game still, and I have no idea what you think about most of them. When I think someone is town, I say that they're town. When I think someone is scum, I say that they're scum. There's no use in me stating that I have null reads on all of these scummy as fuck lurkers, just as you do. I have already said that my town reads are you, ketchup, 6ah (obviously), Alaric, and probably Alz. You know my biggest current scum read right now is Req, and somewhat lesser than that is Coma. I thought you were on to something with Asmo until he made his case on me; now I'm not so sure. The rest are a bunch of god damn lurkers that I don't know how to get a read on. I'll probably put my eye to one tonight to try and glean any semblance of usefulness. This whole thread feels like town yelling at each other for the most part while a bunch of people are watching. There's my stupid fucking list post, all of my reads can be found in the thread, as I know for a fact that I've said them all. Speaking of scummy as fuck lurkers...Jeff, where the fuck are you To me, this says that Jeff is sacrificial scum: the scum (read: Soniv) know he's going down eventually, but they're going to try and put off a lynch on him until they get as many lurky town-peeps as possible. Definitely Coma, but I don't know if it ends there. Maybe Soniv rounds back on Alz (but here my reasoning gets less event-based, so let's avoid mere ideas). @Cixah - I think you can gather from my thoughts that I think Req is misguided town. If he's scum, it's a damn masterful job. owb is less clear. Not a lot of content, lots of questioning without a real opinion in a while, and his last vote with an OMGUS against Jeff. That doesn't look very town. Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 11:29 onlywonderboy wrote:On October 14 2014 08:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
also OWB is lurking so fucking much, holy shit
pls post dude Holy shit I might just lynch Jeff for this post. I was more active than him during the first half of the night phase and then he comes out of no where and makes this post. Which fine, I've been away for a lot of the game, but I had also posted this before On October 14 2014 04:42 onlywonderboy wrote:
I have to go to work now so I'll be gone for most of the evening. I should be able to check back in tonight after the night phase ends and see what's going on. If not I'll definitely be able to catch up during my morning class tomorrow. You even reading the thread? It's fine that you were away because of real life responsibilities, but I'm scum for it? Okay. ##Vote: GhandiEAGLE owb for me at the moment is leaning scum, just from those three things, now that I think about them. But he could also be genuinely curious and unsure in a mafia game. His posts read like they do in RL. So I can't be sure. I also can't get a read on mordek to save my life, but with a soniv vote that leans me in favor of town for now, just for agreement's sake. We'll see. As far as participation goes, I have some thoughts to share post-game. However, now they'll just come off as noob whine or some other cancer, so it's not really the time nor place. TL;DR - I'm still feeling good about my scum read on Soniv, so that's where I'll stay. LT wouldn't be the first person he's convinced he's town (that honor is mine), so I'm not letting up until this ugly feeling is gone, hopefully in the form of some red blood.
Alrighty.
Got some stuff to say about this post.
First of all there's not really much in terms of 'lurker' status any more. Coma Jeff owb and mordek have posted enough that people need to have real reads on them that are not solely based on activity (I'm not accusing anyone specific of this, just saying). That being said, there's definitely a difference in content between people as Jeff recently pointed out. (contentwise Jeff you still get lumped into the lower end, buddeh)
Now this is post is all well and good by Asmo, he talks about a bunch of different people talks about the game state, very nice. More parroting of stuff I've already said (aside from the very meh section about owb, whatever)
One specific section really struck me though and I'd very much like to get opinions on this.
To me, this says that Jeff is sacrificial scum: the scum (read: Soniv) know he's going down eventually, but they're going to try and put off a lynch on him until they get as many lurky town-peeps as possible. Definitely Coma, but I don't know if it ends there. Maybe Soniv rounds back on Alz (but here my reasoning gets less event-based, so let's avoid mere ideas).
This is an entirely new POV and shows that Asmo is attempting to think about connections between scummers. Now some people including myself have pointed out that pre-flip association isn't particularly useful, and often results in confirmation bias leading you and others astray. That however, isn't my main point.
My biggest problem (and it is literally a problem, because I'm not sure I can give a completely unbiased answer to it):
Which alignment posts something like the bolded? Who is thinking about leaving a scum to be sacrificed? Is this something that is going on in the scum QT that Asmo is trying to 'bring to light?' Is he just thinking really critically? I am not trying to lead on any answers here, but I want opinions. I think that section of the post is the key to cracking Asmo one way or another.
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On October 15 2014 10:56 ComaDose wrote:
besides the lack there of
That's mostly it, I think. Vagueness and minimal posting = easy scum read.
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I don't like this post nearly as much as your first one.
On October 15 2014 10:40 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Okay. Back and ready to fight on.
After my post, Soniv's made decent plays as both scum and town (WIFOM, I know, just bear with me). He's marginally addressed my post: not drawing too much attention to it, but also no hard denial/OMGUS. That's a town reaction, especially so far from deadline. He's also found someone to go after, which is the town's good work should Req bleed red. That's another seemingly town interaction. However, the manipulation factor is still relevant. At this point, we all kinda know how Req plays: volatile states, prone to lashing out. It's emotional play because Req's a sensitive dude (and this is not meant to offend sir), and it's easily manipulatable (even ketchup got his goat, and that was probably unintentional). If Soniv wants to cover his tracks well, the best way to do it is to set off Req since it's unlikely he'll be able to get a rise out of Wave at this point, and no one else has proven to be so easy to control (again, don't mean to offend buddy). That also fits in with the "fake anger" that Alaric pointed out: play an emotional game, get easy emotional feedback. I think the intent of this is to get the focus away from Soniv and onto Req, and I think it's working. Which is dangerous (Wave sees that).
The meat of this paragraph is coming from the assumption that I am manipulating people, specifically Requizen. This is so ridiculously off base. I saw the intereactions between ketchup and Requizen. I then began pressing him as well. He shut down and became erratic under any hint of pressure. Everyone is excusing it because it's Requizen, and I'm calling bullshit.
And once again, you're parroting this "fake anger" thing. And I will repeat - Wave's play is frustrating me, and I'm trying to maintain a level headedness. You are taking Wave's misguided crosshairs as gospel and using that to justify something that is simply untrue.
Furthermore, Soniv's other reads are still lurkers like Coma and Ghandi. I genuinely don't believe that lynching a lurker does the town that much good atm. I think the scummers are at least more active than Coma, especially since they had a pretty great first cycle. When you're winning, you stay more invested. I believe any given lurker is most likely to be town, including Coma, despite his lack of good content (which pisses me off a lot, but doesn't necessarily make him scum).
Lynching a lurker D1 and lynching a lurker D2 are two wildly different things. The way things are going, I still maintain that the majority of this thread is town yelling at each other while the scum just sit quietly and get by with minimal posting.
Unfortunately for those of us on Soniv's trail, Jeff is another story. Jeff's posting looks fishy as fuck, fishy enough that most people smell stink coming from his direction, real or not. What's interesting to me about Soniv's perspectives is that there have been indications that (after Req) Soniv's next target is Coma, and not the more egregiously suspicious Jeff. For posterity (and I acknowledge this may have changed): Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 07:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 07:03 ketchup wrote:
Err just to make it bold:
##Unvote: Soniv
##Vote: Req at least someone is coming to their senses On October 15 2014 04:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Soniv the best thing you can do right now if you're town is do what you haven't done in like fucking ages.
Provide some reads.
HELP OUT THE TOWN in some way.
If you die and flip green this way we'll have a whole bunch to work with
Your vote/case on Req doesn't help you much in my eyes. There are a lot of people in this game still, and I have no idea what you think about most of them. When I think someone is town, I say that they're town. When I think someone is scum, I say that they're scum. There's no use in me stating that I have null reads on all of these scummy as fuck lurkers, just as you do. I have already said that my town reads are you, ketchup, 6ah (obviously), Alaric, and probably Alz. You know my biggest current scum read right now is Req, and somewhat lesser than that is Coma. I thought you were on to something with Asmo until he made his case on me; now I'm not so sure. The rest are a bunch of god damn lurkers that I don't know how to get a read on. I'll probably put my eye to one tonight to try and glean any semblance of usefulness. This whole thread feels like town yelling at each other for the most part while a bunch of people are watching. There's my stupid fucking list post, all of my reads can be found in the thread, as I know for a fact that I've said them all. Speaking of scummy as fuck lurkers...Jeff, where the fuck are you To me, this says that Jeff is sacrificial scum: the scum (read: Soniv) know he's going down eventually, but they're going to try and put off a lynch on him until they get as many lurky town-peeps as possible. Definitely Coma, but I don't know if it ends there. Maybe Soniv rounds back on Alz (but here my reasoning gets less event-based, so let's avoid mere ideas).
I lumped Jeff in with the "scummy as fuck lurkers" because, as said above, there is a larger than I'm comfortable with number of scummers hiding in the lurkers. Because let's face it, half of the players in this game are not posting enough. Earlier on, I believe I said something to the effect of "just because LT is dead doesn't mean you can get off scot free and not post anymore" to him, and so I'm trying to keep him honest. There are lots of lurkers, and I wish other people would be addressing them directly as well.
That bolded part at the end serves absolutely no purpose other than to shed me in a negative light. It's pure conjecture with no basis.
@Cixah - I think you can gather from my thoughts that I think Req is misguided town. If he's scum, it's a damn masterful job.
I don't understand why you'd be praising his scum play. He's playing so scummy that there's no way he's scum? And therefore it's masterful? Not a chance.
As far as participation goes, I have some thoughts to share post-game. However, now they'll just come off as noob whine or some other cancer, so it's not really the time nor place.
And you finish it off with a quick, harmless noob claim.
TL;DR - I'm still feeling good about my scum read on Soniv, so that's where I'll stay. LT wouldn't be the first person he's convinced he's town (that honor is mine), so I'm not letting up until this ugly feeling is gone, hopefully in the form of some red blood.
I didn't convince LT of shit, I haven't had to defend myself until today, after he was dead. He made that read based on what he saw of me in game, I don't really think I had many 1 on 1 interactions with him.
Welcome to my scum list Asmo. Your first case post was good. This one reeks of scum trying to keep the momentum on this bandwagon because wave is stirring up enough trouble to keep it viable.
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Parroting seems unfair Wave. I realize I'm coming to the same conclusions but I feel like we've gotten there through different channels.
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On October 15 2014 08:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 08:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I was following the Wave-Soniv thing with a lot of interest, and Soniv is still my #1 most wanted. Right now, he's the only lynch other than me (but I'm innocent, I'm afraid) that tells us a lot. What does it tell us Jeff? I want to hear it in your words, I don't want anyone else answering this question. Show nested quote +
Soniv, on the other hand, has had a few important relationships with a lot of people, and I don't need to go into it since Ketchup described my feelings in a post yesterday ('bout those yung pockets). It confirms what I believe in that Wave and Ketchup are both town (Req that ketchup vote was just straight stupid).
I have already addressed the concerns about me "pocketing" people. They were all examples of me changing my reads on people, something wave has said I haven't done. The 3 examples were Alzadar, ketchup and wave, all three of which I have changed my reads on. Show nested quote +
I still think Soniv right now as #1 scum, or at least best possible lynch at the moment. He says a lot, but in reality he never really does much when he points fingers. He tends to separate those posts. Also, he's doing the pretend rage thing that I called him out for earlier. That's scummy. Or, at the very least, it's fishy.
So I'm your #1 scum read for "pocketing" people. And to everyone claiming that I'm faking rage (wave, you're continually smearing your bullshit) - I am not mad, I am frustrated at how thick headed wave is playing. I am trying very hard to remain level headed because having two people yelling at each other over and over is not a good town atmosphere, and wave is trying to bait me really hard.
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Oh and I forgot to mention...you 'changed you reads' on us?
When did you call any one of those three but Alzadar scum?
And plz soniv. I very obviously wasn't the only one to pick up on it, then you single me out and tell me I'm baiting YOU? And as far as yelling at each other over and over? You and I haven't had that kind of relationship this game, buddeh. Req+ people maybe, ketchup and me maybe, but you and me? I don't see it. Whenever the conflict I see happening becomes unhealthy I always do my best to drop it, but I don't see unhealthy conflict here, and YOU are the one trying to drop it and deflect. No no, good sir. Attention comes off of you when I say it does.
Still want hear about those other scumreads in more detail.
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