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I got to take my agression out on casting spells as a mage in shadowrun so this is going to boil down to one thing. I've been taking this game too much as puzzle and less of a series of people trying to manipulate one another.
##Vote GhandiEAGLE
Ghandi has STILL over the course of this entire day done nothing but deflect his would be lynching while jumping onto Soniv's train which is already populated by the majorty of the thread.
What you guys have to do is convince me why I should vote Soniv, because after his exchange with Wave in this page I'm not feeling it. Both of these guys (Soniv and Jeff) have done nothing but try to save their own hide. Give me game insight out of the two of you or this is going to Lynch one and then the other for me in the morning.
The rest of the thread. Convince me I'm wrong. I'm going to bed late again because of this thread. Completely ruining my sleep schedule for this crap  .
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On October 15 2014 12:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
What im trying to show is that these "prod posts" are useless ways for people to seem helpful while never playing any cards. I think we should stop accepting these as legitimate discussion starters.
But you aren't showing that. You are showing that some people refuse to take those posts seriously. And you know what happens to those people? They get lynched because they don't bring in any new information.
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On October 15 2014 12:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
What im trying to show is that these "prod posts" are useless ways for people to seem helpful while never playing any cards. I think we should stop accepting these as legitimate discussion starters.
What are you referring to?
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On October 15 2014 12:38 Cixah wrote:I got to take my agression out on casting spells as a mage in shadowrun so this is going to boil down to one thing. I've been taking this game too much as puzzle and less of a series of people trying to manipulate one another. ##Vote GhandiEAGLEGhandi has STILL over the course of this entire day done nothing but deflect his would be lynching while jumping onto Soniv's train which is already populated by the majorty of the thread. What you guys have to do is convince me why I should vote Soniv, because after his exchange with Wave in this page I'm not feeling it. Both of these guys (Soniv and Jeff) have done nothing but try to save their own hide. Give me game insight out of the two of you or this is going to Lynch one and then the other for me in the morning. The rest of the thread. Convince me I'm wrong. I'm going to bed late again because of this thread. Completely ruining my sleep schedule for this crap .
Why do I need to convince you? 
And in regards to the first part...it's really both a puzzle and manipulation...but I think in general people in this thread are VASTLY overestimating the manipulation part.
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On October 15 2014 11:28 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 11:00 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
You guys are absolutely tunnelvisioning on me being scum.
I'm not.
There are less reasons than before, but I think a couple certain people have good reasons and then other newbs misconstrue these reasons as clear evidence that I'm scum.
Also why am I seen as a lurker? I lurked on day 1, but other than that I've been posting whenever possible. I have one of the longest filters. It's not Wave-Ketchup status but it's certainly not Coma-Mordek status. Your filter means nothing, which is part of the problem. You think just because you have 5 pages of posts that are somewhere between 1 -3 sentences it means you are actively helping town? It doesn't. You want to look less scummy? Stop doing scummy things. Again, start trying to ping out people you think are scum, and pressuring them to respond. I admit that you have other priorities, but it doesn't mean I can let you get away with the way you post. Answer these questions for me: Why are you not scum? What town moves/plays have you made to help town find scum? Those are the biggest questions I have for you, and others probably have as well.
So again, answer this for me ghandi. Why should I not vote on you?
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On October 15 2014 12:38 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 12:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
What im trying to show is that these "prod posts" are useless ways for people to seem helpful while never playing any cards. I think we should stop accepting these as legitimate discussion starters. What are you referring to?
I'm saying this is what Soniv has been doing a lot, claiming that its "generating discussion." He reads things, says something about them, and moves on. This changes when he defends himself or when he went off against Req.
His attack on Req actually is one of the few things tempting me to not vote Soniv. I certainly haven't seen a more convincing or useful lynch anywhere else though since everyone is staying so quiet and not making big connections with people.
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On October 15 2014 11:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 11:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:Jeff, you never answered my question: On October 15 2014 08:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 08:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I was following the Wave-Soniv thing with a lot of interest, and Soniv is still my #1 most wanted. Right now, he's the only lynch other than me (but I'm innocent, I'm afraid) that tells us a lot. What does it tell us Jeff? I want to hear it in your words, I don't want anyone else answering this question. Req has little to no connection with me, so lynching me has no impact on how he flips. You pursued him closely, but never really gained traction for it. Despite this lack of traction, you still made a push for it. If you flip red he's finally essentially proven townie and will sort out this whole mess with him. If you flip green, I think everyone would be ok with a Req lynch (or at least force his potential blue role). I think if you flip red Alzadar is also under a lot of consideration. When you flip red you'll also finally prove me innocent, something that nothing else but my own death will do (since Wave and Ketchup are pretty damn town). My point is that you have a connection with many more players than I do. Other than passing exchanges, right now I really only have significant connections with you, Wave, and Ketchup, and we know most about those people. You're the only real question mark tied with me, and maybe Coma is as well.
I'd like to see to hear you expand on this claim, I'm baffled to hear how Soniv flipping red would point at me.
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On October 15 2014 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +
To me, this says that Jeff is sacrificial scum: the scum (read: Soniv) know he's going down eventually, but they're going to try and put off a lynch on him until they get as many lurky town-peeps as possible. Definitely Coma, but I don't know if it ends there. Maybe Soniv rounds back on Alz (but here my reasoning gets less event-based, so let's avoid mere ideas).
This is an entirely new POV and shows that Asmo is attempting to think about connections between scummers. Now some people including myself have pointed out that pre-flip association isn't particularly useful, and often results in confirmation bias leading you and others astray. That however, isn't my main point. My biggest problem (and it is literally a problem, because I'm not sure I can give a completely unbiased answer to it): Which alignment posts something like the bolded? Who is thinking about leaving a scum to be sacrificed? Is this something that is going on in the scum QT that Asmo is trying to 'bring to light?' Is he just thinking really critically? I am not trying to lead on any answers here, but I want opinions. I think that section of the post is the key to cracking Asmo one way or another.
I think this is just weird speculation by Asmo. I had him as fishy but I'm not feeling it from this post.
Why would he be spilling the scum beans if this was actually their plan? But simultaneously, where did he conjure up this convoluted scheme?
It reminds me of Cixah's post just after night, where he was guessing at how x shot at y who was roleblocked by z, basically oddly in-depth speculation. But in Cixah's case it means nothing, the man's an innocent child.
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I could buy someone thinking that way. Its def. not a scummy thing to say
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Answer my question, Scummy McGoon.
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I will once I get out of this ARAM
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Looking through Soniv's filter, he hasn't been nearly on top of you anymore. On day 1/night 1, he made remarks towards you relatively often. It's much less so recently, but that also loops around to the fact that you have had very little participation in moving guilt towards anyone yet. But at the same time, you haven't made many connections with people. So lynching you gets us nowhere again. Speak up more so we can tell if you're town or not.
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Going to bed now, it's sleepy time.
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Couple things.
I'm in the camp that Req is just frustrated town. Call me out for parroting or whatever but I honestly think he's just upset with the game because he's trying to contribute and he just gets called scum for it. Coming from personal experience with my own newbie mafia games I can say I felt similarly.
That said I don't think Soniv is scum for pushing him so hard. Him and Wave are interestingly enough two sides of the same coin when it comes to Req. Wave is ready to believe his play is just shitty town based on his personality while Soniv is worried we're falling into a trap and giving him too much leeway because we know him. If Req has tricked us like this it would be some pretty good scum play.
Wasn't a fan of Asmo's return post but that was picked apart pretty clean by Wave and Soniv. Wish he has been able to post more that the one main rebuttal.
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On October 15 2014 13:28 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Looking through Soniv's filter, he hasn't been nearly on top of you anymore. On day 1/night 1, he made remarks towards you relatively often. It's much less so recently, but that also loops around to the fact that you have had very little participation in moving guilt towards anyone yet. But at the same time, you haven't made many connections with people. So lynching you gets us nowhere again. Speak up more so we can tell if you're town or not.
This is just more of Soniv's scum play, I'd say. He hounds the weaker townies to look like he's doing something but backs off and finds a new target when they've proven themselves. I wouldn't be too surprised to see him do the same thing with Req if more of us start leaning town for him.
I'm going to bed now. Tomorrow we lynch some scum.
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Also I should address Asmo's point about my vote on Jeff being OMGUS (which I didn't know was a thing until Soniv brought it up later).
While there is some passion in the post, I didn't make it just because Jeff was putting pressure on me. I had clearly said I was going to be afk and then he made his post anyway. I responded the way I did because his post seemed like mafia fluff to try and pressure a lurker without really committing to anything and gaining town cred. Then on top of that he admits he completely missed my post meaning he wasn't paying full attention to the thread which scum can do because they can rely on their knowledge of who is town and who isn't to help them navigate certain discussions.
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On October 15 2014 13:35 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Going to bed now, it's sleepy time.
On October 15 2014 14:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I agree, we're going to get into definitions and NOBODY wants to argue about definitions again.
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Wave, Soniv, and Ghandi.
I want your reads on Alzadar.
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Vote Count
jcarlsoniv (6): ketchup, WaveofShadow, AsmodeusXI, mordek, Alzadar, Requizen, GhandiEAGLE
GhandiEAGLE (4): WaveofShadow, jcarlsoniv, onlwonderboy, ComaDose, ketchup, Cixah
ComaDose (1): jcarlsoniv, Alzadar, Requizen, Alaric
Requizen (1): jcarlsoniv, ketchup
ketchup (0): Requizen
Not voting (0): no people
Currently, jcarlsoniv is set to be lynched. Day 2 ends in
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