EPTOWB is a known lurker and even when pressured doesn't really perform (from what I remember from the Lol mafia game). Lynching him is essentially a dice roll.
Who else that is a lurker would you want to lynch?
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OWB is a known lurker and even when pressured doesn't really perform (from what I remember from the Lol mafia game). Lynching him is essentially a dice roll. Who else that is a lurker would you want to lynch? | ||
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I should probably take a break from the thread for a bit because I want to see how things progress without me pushing for a while if at all (and also to study as well). | ||
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On October 12 2014 09:44 Lord Tolkien wrote: That is true, but if I were to ask, "who would likely contribute as a town player to find and lynch scum", would OWB be one of them? I'd say no. I do hate policy lynches, but if there's no one else... As for Coma, I'm waiting to see if he'll just get modkilled D1. I know I promised I wouldn't, but for someone who hates policy lynches: On October 12 2014 03:58 Lord Tolkien wrote: Maybe. Perhaps. Eventually. I SUPPOSE I could. I'll just say we should policy lynch lurkers. It always works in newbie games, and this is in effect a newbie game SO... + Show Spoiler + Also Wave, i have 5 games you can read. :D You could look through it for any clues, as I do have a game as scum in there + Show Spoiler + which I would've won if it weren't for that next-to-last day cop claim and check, despite having my buddy lynched D1 lel On October 12 2014 04:24 Lord Tolkien wrote: pls, this is like a play I would make in live mafia. d1 policy lynch inc Note I was always town whenever I get policy-lynched in live. On October 12 2014 07:39 Lord Tolkien wrote: just policy lynch lurkers always necessary in newbie games On October 12 2014 08:00 Lord Tolkien wrote: neither would I but would you rather have them lurk lurk lurk until D3 or LYLO? So um...we have just under 24h to go and you're convinced we have no other options. And you 'hate' policy lynches. Hmm. | ||
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Alright let's go a little further. You think Tolkien is protecting someone? Who do you think he is protecting specifically? I can tell you that often mafia team members will actively try to distance themselves from any teammates in thread rather than protect them outright for fear of being connected, if one of them flips. | ||
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This is HUGE guiltypants. a) He is concerned that we will find this attitude scummy and so he backtracks, trying to show us that 'well I certainly would rather me more productive and lynch someone else.' The thing is, if he simply sticks to his guns there is not necessarily anything wrong with a lurker lynch on D1---he even goes so far as to provide reasoning. Why does he feel the need to constantly diminish his own ideals and backtrack? b) He slipped a little. The timing of the post he was called out for makes this somewhat evident. I already talked about how an anti-town attitude can often be a scum marker as they don't truly care what town does (as long as they're not lynching scum) and it can bleed through into posting. The fact that with just under 24h to go Tolkien seems to believe the day a lost cause already and we need to 'resort to a lurker lynch,' is fairly scummy. This is compounded with the earlier fact that he seems to begrudgingly state this---'I don't REALLY want to lynch a lurker guys but if we HAVE to...' which makes absolutely no sense to say with so much time left in the day., ESPECIALLY if you've dropped your hard stance on lurker lynching you had at the beginning of the day. c) I can't discount the possibility that Tolkien is in fact town but there are a lot of incongruous mindset issues that need to be addressed here. At this point I might move Swaglord to top 3 on my list. | ||
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 Any thoughts on my post people? | ||
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And if he continues to play that way, at what point do we do something about it? He's not going to get any easier to read as the game goes on. | ||
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Read what I wrote. If he is not actively helping solve the game, there are two possibilities (I am not considering 3P for now): a) he is town, and by not helping us actively solve the game he is a massive question mark looming over our heads all game---we won't know what alignment he is and it makes it real easy for scum to keep him alive forever because there will be the possibility of him being mislynched/fucking us over at LYLO (look up what LYLO means) b) He is scum and by not contributing he is scum. Either way, not playing the game does not do us any good, and by removing him we remove a massive question mark that may affect us negatively down the road. I don't think I said anywhere that I'm going to lynch him today, only that I see it is a possibility. What I don't like is how so many people are just willing to let his behaviour slide. | ||
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On October 13 2014 03:44 MoonBear wrote: If I was scum trying to pretend to be town I'd just play along and bandwagon with someone else. Because why would I want to draw attention to myself. Idk if it's a crime to ask questions as a new player but at least I make more interesting posts than the stuff other people have posted instead of being boring and trying to argue over trivial details on Day 1 that don't really mean anything. Because it's way too convenient to start picking on the people who make outlandish posts than the people actually trying to cause chaos and work against the town. The entire Day 1 has just been shifting gears around trying to accuse people over super trivial matters instead of anything important with various people trying to take control and manually drive what the town should be thinking instead of just letting it happen automatically. I don't get it...is this attitude a factor of there being a whole bunch of new players in here? Why are there so many people here assuming I'm driving something specific or that I'm somehow manipulating the entire town into doing my bidding? I'm a little confused here MB, how would YOU expect a good D1 to go? 'Letting it happen automatically?' What does that mean exactly? And as far as scum 'not drawing attention to themselves,' it's D1 and any decent player would have no problem with that this early when there are still tons of players left. | ||
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On October 13 2014 04:01 Alaric wrote: Was muling some thoughts while watching Soniv's stream, see above. And I look silly again because MoonBear posted in the meantime. Your post doesn't really convince me though, especially the first part: "At least I tried to get useful information instead of randomly querying people" (that's the vibe I get from it), when the main thing you received flak for is that your big post spent a lot of space on Wave before saying "it doesn't matter" and shoving it aside. Your second point comes back to him though, or at least that's how I see it. Are you targeting him when you speak of "people trying to drive the town while doing nothing important"? Do you think he should be more assertive (since his biggest accusation was on you after you targeted him) if he wants to sit at the wheel? Once again though, HE DIDN'T TARGET ME> I swear nobody fucking reads in this game. The whole point of me accusing him was specifically because he spent an entire post talking about me and analyzing my play, then dropping it all and saying 'but hey these other three guys are scum, I dunno why.' | ||
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On October 13 2014 03:54 Alaric wrote: Welp, bunch of stuff. I'm happy to see Tolkien post for real... at first. I didn't like the post too much, on the plus side it helped me realise while someone (Soniv?) criticised me for responding to Wave with a "list". He's already got a few people on his back so I won't add to the bandwagon, though (that's my stance: if we look for info, esp. D1, then I'd rather consider options over going tunnel-vision on a single person). I'll just point out that his behaviour kinda resembles Wave's at the start (with the whole "I'll come clean" post), but much more extreme. (And same as I told Wave I'll keep a tab on that.)Deadline is close and I'd have preferred to do that earlier but ##Vote: AsmodeusXI I'm still not decided on you. We said we're laying newbie claims to rest so I'm not going to hold it either for you or against you. Also as I mentioned your scum reads were Alzadar (started by Soniv) and Moonbear (pointed by Wave), and when you switched your vote it was from Wave's call to Soniv's call, after an exchange with Soniv. You also didn't give reason apart from apparently agreeing with Soniv's. I have my doubts against Moonbear too but like Tolkien he's got a bunch of people on his butt and hasn't appeared (had time?) to defend himself yet, so I'll ignore his behaviour when looking at yours. So far you haven't motivated your calls much. I can get that Soniv makes a good point, but when you're already following a lot I'd like to see your own thoughts more, to show that you're not just bandwagoning and you have new stuff to contribute too. Apart from what Soniv said, what makes you suspect MoonBear? Also in a more general manner, do you think his posts about blue roles are what make him suspicious? Why? I'm not so much interested in your reads as I am in seeing how you behave "by yourself" rather than when following vets. Speaking of which, @vets, how relevant is the topic of lurkers not posting much (aside from IRL stuff) because they're newbie blues and afraid to stick their heads out and draw mafia attention? I considered that aside from lurking scum and newbie "stage fright" but I assume we should refrain from said topic until later, because it risks giving scum info/reads to work on? In my opinion (and from what I've seen) good blue play is simply to play like normal most of the time, though I can't say I'd be surprised if people tried to play the way you suggest. IS that relevant right now though? I'd say not. We're <5h from deadline and we need to start consolidating /leading town /manipulating | ||
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On October 13 2014 03:28 ketchup wrote: owb is also more townie than comadose who has voted on a fairly bandwagon type of vote without explaining much. see: So, ##Vote ComaDose I should also mention this is pretty fucking terrible. | ||
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On October 13 2014 04:01 Alaric wrote: Was muling some thoughts while watching Soniv's stream, see above. And I look silly again because MoonBear posted in the meantime. Your post doesn't really convince me though, especially the first part: "At least I tried to get useful information instead of randomly querying people" (that's the vibe I get from it), when the main thing you received flak for is that your big post spent a lot of space on Wave before saying "it doesn't matter" and shoving it aside. Your second point comes back to him though, or at least that's how I see it. Are you targeting him when you speak of "people trying to drive the town while doing nothing important"? Do you think he should be more assertive (since his biggest accusation was on you after you targeted him) if he wants to sit at the wheel? I think the issue becomes people like Req/MB and now ketchup seem to be intimidated by my sheer presence or some shit and feel that automatically because I'm trying to lead I must be scum pulling strings from the shadows. I'll tell you a secret though guys, much of the time the problem isn't being led, that's what's mafia's about. The problem is choosing who to be led by, and I can fully understand if you don't want that to be me, but don't get the silly notion in your head that you must constantly assert your independence and doing anything otherwise isn't townie. Again if you don't trust me on this, ask the other vets about sheeping/listening to others. Go ahead and listen to Soniv 'cause you all seem to like him better than me this game. | ||
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No mention anywhere of lurker lynching and yet with all of the info/accusations being thrown around he jumps on someone who very clearly said he wasn't going to be here and why. | ||
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On October 13 2014 04:27 Alzadar wrote: Would still to hear a vote from you Wave. So, we've got two 3-votes and a bunch of 1s. How do you lean between the 3s? Heads-up: I'm going to a friend's for another Thanksgiving dinner at 5ish EDT, and very likely won't be back before 8. So it's T-1:30 on my vote. I'm sticking to Tolkien for now but I see Moon as pretty scummy so I'll change if that's how the town leans. I'm having trouble with it honestly. My top 3 are between MB/Tolkien for first right now, then Asmo in 3rd. Asmo's posting has improved since the first one that made me call him out, but I've caught people on first/single posts before (and have also been wrong before as well) and I'd be super annoyed if I let that go and turned out to be right on him. Tolkien I could see getting lynched as town and not giving too many fucks as it is now, and MB's attitude is just....weird. Like I can't tell if he truly believes that the way he's been playing is satisfactory and is pretty content just to consistently shit on me/townplay without being helpful to the town itself---at the very least I think Req sort of realized some of the issues with his play (whether that in itself is towny or scummy is probably discussion for another day) I don't feel a strong pull to one over another right now, certainly not strong enough to try to push the town towards one or the other. Hmm actually I just thought of something. Think it'll be Tolkien for me right now. ##Vote: Lord Tolkien | ||
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On October 13 2014 04:33 ketchup wrote: And again, you complain about people not voting, but then you choose not to vote yourself Wave. That's so much noise you make for absolutely nothing On October 13 2014 04:31 Requizen wrote: Wave's lack of vote gives a bad vibe to me. Is he just scum, waiting to jump on the train of whatever townie is going to be lynched? I was much more confident earlier in the day, less so now. Pretty simple. Problem? | ||
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