2p2 Vanilla Werewolf 13er

On September 25 2014 10:22 StorrZerg wrote:
so holyflare whats up. Lets talk about GB since he is going away.

On October 02 2014 00:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Hi VE btw. I hope you have the time to do a lot today if you are town because your slot looks awfully scummy.

On October 02 2014 01:03 StorrZerg wrote:



Please I should be thy easiest town read of your life from last game to this alone rofl.

On October 02 2014 00:57 StorrZerg wrote:
K ve confirmed scum wants to lynch me lol

On September 30 2014 11:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


That's not what I'm talking about.





Just a pair of quotes from yesterday, but looking at what you were doing and what actually happened, it looked like you were looking around for someone else to take responsibility for what was going on.

That, or you were fishing for other lynches just in case someone flipped town.

On October 02 2014 01:44 StorrZerg wrote:
Ve I expect 2 scum reads within jat, superbia, ff. From you

On October 02 2014 01:56 justanothertownie wrote:

You of all people should know best that you cannot townread people for doing something in LYLO. You have to look at the actual reasoning and Storr has none. If you townread him for different reasons then that is fair enough but if he is reading you town only for being on Palmar then that doesn't add up.

On October 02 2014 01:57 StorrZerg wrote:
I all Ready explained my reason which from a purely logic stand point.

On October 02 2014 02:01 justanothertownie wrote:

I am saying that if you are town then you should be suspicious of how he doesn't even consider the possibility that you could be scum.

On October 02 2014 02:03 StorrZerg wrote:


Nope not going off my agenda.

Read into fecal and jat ve.

On October 02 2014 02:06 StorrZerg wrote:



No his alignment doesn't matter.

I know there are 2 mafia within ve jat ff superbia.

If obi is town, then 3. If not still 2.

On October 02 2014 02:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I didn't "pick" a favorite wagon. Palmar did something really suspicious and I went after him for it.

It's an easy thing to look at in hindsight and say it's scummy because his flip is already out there.

Furthermore why wouldn't scumStorr have motivation to switch to Palmar? By your own reasoning you should be suspicious of both of us and not just me. But you were just questioning him on his reasoning and gave him a pass without getting an answer.

On October 02 2014 02:15 StorrZerg wrote:
It's simple jat. Either you have a town read on me or obi. Then my logic can apply to you.

Or you must think obi and i are together and 1 in the group.

So maybe it's the best that Obi and i are on the hot seat for the time being. This will force people to either read us together as mafia or one at least one of us town.

Once this point hits, the focus of the day will move forward.

On October 02 2014 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:

Undecided. You might be town for the sheer stupidity of your argument but it could also fit an agenda. I would be surprised if there was no scum on Palmar.

On October 02 2014 02:24 StorrZerg wrote:
Find scum in your 4 ve...

On October 02 2014 02:25 justanothertownie wrote:

Good observation. Have a cookie.

On October 02 2014 02:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
No, I haven't read him. XD

FF and JAT could be mafia, but our best shot is Obi based on D2 wagons. Join me and win, or oppose me and lose. The choice is yours.

On October 02 2014 02:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Considering that his attack is pretty much baseless then yeah.

On October 02 2014 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:

Don't care. This is LYLO and we have to reason this out carefully. Every single town has to vote for the same scum for us to win. That means you have to work with me if you are town.
I am not sold on the both of them but I will say that Obi looks scummier because he is way less proactive than storr however misguided he may be.

On October 02 2014 02:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Your case boils down to me switching without initially voting Sky.

If I voted Sky beforehand you wouldn't have said shit.

On October 02 2014 02:37 justanothertownie wrote:

Yeah, but I can't give you an answer if I have none. I don't know how it is for you but I don't know who is scum. All I know is that batsnacks and I are town and that town has been pushing other town for most of the game so scum could basically do whatever the fuck they wanted. I was ready to go after HF today but he died.

On October 02 2014 02:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Explain how me being last on his wagon yesterday is bad.

On October 02 2014 02:45 justanothertownie wrote:

There is truth in what you are saying but you also need to consider that now that we are in LYLO scum is able to say whatever they want and bus all day. You really need to consider the complete game your target played.
And if I do that then there is still a part of me that wants to lynch you tbh. The only one I have a slight townread on is FF. Maybe Storr. I will go through some filters later.

On October 02 2014 02:46 justanothertownie wrote:
And to be fair VE I don't think your reasoning on Obi is very good.

On October 02 2014 00:54 justanothertownie wrote:

No problem. Don't even bother with Harus stuff and just post your own thoughts. It would also be appreciated if you refrained from martyring (if you are town).

On October 02 2014 02:53 justanothertownie wrote:

Btw what are you talking about? Storr is not confirmed town.

On October 02 2014 03:00 justanothertownie wrote:

This reasoning is awful. Mafia gains so much more from lynching Palmar over Sky in that situation. Storr did basically the same Obi did with the exception that he actually had a vote on Sky.

Let me explain it once again: If we lynch Sky that day a question mark and sure mislynch is removed. And Palmar who certainly will not be mislynched later on and who is a much stronger player than Skydragon is alive. Are you still telling me there is no reason at all for Storr to lynch Palmar here?

On October 02 2014 03:00 justanothertownie wrote:

This reasoning is awful. Mafia gains so much more from lynching Palmar over Sky in that situation. Storr did basically the same Obi did with the exception that he actually had a vote on Sky.

Let me explain it once again: If we lynch Sky that day a question mark and sure mislynch is removed. And Palmar who certainly will not be mislynched later on and who is a much stronger player than Skydragon is alive. Are you still telling me there is no reason at all for Storr to lynch Palmar here?

On October 02 2014 07:43 StorrZerg wrote:


Obi being late or early doesn't matter.

Day 3 was very tunneled. Skydragon was the lynch and no one was seriously considering not lynching him. So I don't think your theory holds weight. If sd hadn't been so dammed to his fate, I think that theory looks good.

On October 02 2014 11:36 StorrZerg wrote:


Well, you counter voted me for seemingly no reason when you have a town read on me. You think a lot of what i am saying is mumbo jumbo. So when i vote you, i find it odd that your reaction is to counter vote, and not to call me silly.

On October 02 2014 11:53 StorrZerg wrote:



sell me on why FF, Jat, super are better than you for today

On October 02 2014 12:31 StorrZerg wrote:
I think its pretty interesting that jat, super, ff, obi, have not placed votes. Kinda hard to see where they all stand....

On October 02 2014 14:35 StorrZerg wrote:
1. At most 1 mafia on palmar. (Being obi )

2. It's not impossible. It was 2 lynches pushed on townies. Mafia doesn't need to care about which lynch happens. Far easier to afk and let it happen or stick with the easier skydragon lynch and be "well he was bad can't falt me for pushing him" rather than explain Palmar incident.

2. Me being upset with bats about my name isn't alignment indicative. Hell I keep moving past it trying to get him focused on the game, answer questions do anything. What does this comment even supposed to do.

Onto your questions
3. I don't have obi as town. How ever, I know 3 towns pushed palmar. Holyflare thought obi was genuine on pushing Palmar, he had him town. In my point of view, I don't see what obi has to gain, killing holyflare. So conclusion yes I think it is more likely it was all town than mafia. That doesn't mean I'm giving him a free pass.

Most of this isn't a read on obi, rather observations of the game involving him, and logically it's better for town to be lynching within the named 4.

4. I dont. Again it's my logic train. I really don't have a solid read on him, and I'm not lynching him, so I don't care about him all that much.

5. The "musings are accusations " specifically the death of GB remarks from haru.

3. I don't have obi as town. How ever, I know 3 towns pushed palmar. Holyflare thought obi was genuine on pushing Palmar, he had him town. In my point of view, I don't see what obi has to gain, killing holyflare. So conclusion yes I think it is more likely it was all town than mafia. That doesn't mean I'm giving him a free pass.

On October 02 2014 14:46 Fecalfeast wrote:


Okay now watch this:


Logically i don't want to vote VE today. From my point of view, even if VE is mafia.

There are 2 mafia within Storr, Super, Jat, Obi.

So even if you think VE is mafia, You have to also think there are two from your point of view within Super, Jat, Obi.

On October 02 2014 14:58 StorrZerg wrote:



However the logic is from the Palmar lynch. Being if you think either me or obi is town, it's in your best interest to look in the group of 4. Since from your view point ff, you have to know , 2 out of the 3 are scum if obi is mafia, or all 3 are scum.

I'm trying to pit you 4 against each other to see who picks what and why.

On October 02 2014 14:26 Fecalfeast wrote:

If you think his town play is drastically different this game and were basing your townread on him on his switch to palmar alone how could you call him confirmed town ever? Seems weird to call someone confirmed town just to call them mafia after they point a finger at you...

On October 02 2014 16:13 StorrZerg wrote:
@ve why did you completely dismiss superbia for "trying to figure rl the game out" and not wanting to deal with him?

While you are fighting with someone who clearly is trying to figure out the game this day?

On September 28 2014 06:29 StorrZerg wrote:
Stop being bad.


Had a feeling Joey

On September 29 2014 09:38 StorrZerg wrote:


im going to laugh if they allow killing another free check lol

On September 29 2014 23:34 StorrZerg wrote:
I can't believe he was actually playing this bad. I thought bats was actually the cop with red on palmar. Killing was faking a green on the real cop to give bats another day. Nope...
I feel so retarded.

On September 29 2014 23:53 StorrZerg wrote:


Yet he was pushing palmar


You have to understand. I have it in my head that Joey isn't that bad of a player. Hell I caught his cop play day 1, which is why I avoided talking in to much detail on him. So to see things right now, that he claimed with no red check, with only 1 green alive. No big play is mind boggling to me.

On September 30 2014 12:08 HaruRH wrote:


I'm not interested to tell you why, and i am asked not to /replace, so here i am again.

On October 02 2014 20:24 batsnacks wrote:
FF or Store is fine. Would prefer Store right now. I'm kind of burnt out on this game.

On October 02 2014 20:19 justanothertownie wrote:
Voting FF since there is like a minimal possibilty for Storr to just act really really stupid. Also whoever of you is towny don't forget that we ALL need to vote together. So, if you want to lynch someone you need to convince batsnacks that it is the correct target. If you vote for someone else than he does at the end of the day town literally cannot win.

On October 02 2014 21:02 batsnacks wrote:


I voted store first

On October 02 2014 19:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
The scumteam is Obi/Storr/X where X=one person from the other wagon. What Storr is doing is really really simple. He already knows what MOST of everyone's read on people are, and he knows that there are 2 mafia inside Obi/Storr. So what he's doing is making the other townies assume only 1 inside Palmar wagon and find 2 "scum" OUTSIDE the Palmar wagon, turning townie against townie as they claw for reasons to find each other mafia. Then after the dust clears he and Obi just vote on the largest wagon and gg.

Vote Storrzerg, then we'll go from there. Based on what I read on D2, Storrzerg's reasoning for being on Palmar was that he thought BATSNACKS was the cop. If that's true then why did he say he saw Joey's cop play in D1? And why did he say he "had a feeling" Joey was cop when he claimed? He's full of SHIT guys. The thinking bats was cop is complete and utter bullshit, it's a throwback from a Video Mafia play where people role-swap where SHIT LIKE THAT IS POSSIBLE BECAUSE NO FLIPS. There's literally no way for Joey to have KNOWN bats was "the cop" in order to roleswap OR take a bullet for him, and even if there IS something like that, STORRZERG CLAIMS TO HAVE SEEN JOEYS COP PLAY IN D1.

My guess is that's just something he said after the claim to make Storrzerg look good to Joey - after all, if Storrzerg saw Joey's cop play D1, he's practically "confirmed town" because Joey is still alive AMIRITE?!?!?

Everyone vote Storrzerg, it's a slam fucking dunk guys.

On October 02 2014 19:36 VisceraEyes wrote:

"You're still alive, so it's not me brah!!!"

Hilarious in context.



Lynch plz.

On October 02 2014 19:39 VisceraEyes wrote:

Or in other words, "Everything I said about thinking batsnacks was cop is a lie intended to distance myself from the Seer kill on Joey, the hard claimed, uncounterclaimed Seer."

On October 03 2014 01:33 batsnacks wrote:
Stop feeling yourself

On October 03 2014 01:32 StorrZerg wrote:
@ve explain why killimg hf is beneficial to me.

On October 03 2014 01:39 batsnacks wrote:
I understand what you're saying don't get your panties in a wad. It's just a little weird to me that he would say something so blatantly impossible/incomprehensible and then spend 2 pages trying to explain where he was coming from.

I mean I really want to lynch super or FF.

On October 03 2014 01:39 StorrZerg wrote:
Literally 0 reason for anyone to think both obi and I could be scum with the hf death.

No meta play, it's simple scum wants to win. A scum team of obi/myself never kill hf.

Fact that ve keeps pushing we are together is why he is so wrong

On October 03 2014 01:41 StorrZerg wrote:


He stopped reading me as mafia.

The fact that ve is happy to keep pushing this till proven wrong is absurd.

When he is proven wrong " ops must have missed that, remember guys I just replaced, I won't catch everything "

On October 03 2014 00:46 StorrZerg wrote:
Lets step in the world of magical possibilites where Obi is town, and Storr is town.
That means the entire palmar wagon would have been town. HF death makes a LOT of sense now.
Means they can kill HF, and try to lynch one of obi and myself for the win.

If obi and i are both mafia. We never kill HF. He was defending us both. And we would want a fall guy, we 100% kill bats or one of the 4.

From a stand point of 1 mafia between us. I can't speak for what obi has to gain if he was mafia.
But looking at how palmar was playing, i have 0 to gain from the killing of palmar as mafia. killing a "strong town" over skydragon, for all that extra pressure is just not worth the time and effort. I 100% would hae been lazy about end of day, i just got back from 60 miles of biking, yet i took the time and effort to play the last bit of day 2 because i'm town and i tried to do something productive.

On October 02 2014 19:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Now, JUST to be a good sport, I will do as I promised and look into the other 4 players in the game to try and find the 1 (or 2 because I'm not 100% on Obi like I am on Storr now - take that to the bank, Storr is 100% mafia here) other mafia.

On October 03 2014 01:49 batsnacks wrote:
VE if your intention is for people to read your posts, you shouldn't do that.

On October 03 2014 01:54 batsnacks wrote:
##vote: VE

See you guys later

On October 03 2014 01:55 VisceraEyes wrote:

Why are you doing this? Spite lynching me is literally going to lose you the game. If you're fine with that then I'm fine with that - I've thrown MANY games on this site. But in this case YOU are the thrower because I'M voting for mafia and YOU are voting for town.

On October 01 2014 00:37 StorrZerg wrote:



Here is the deal. Killing play day 1. cop play. He was active enough to seem town, but very inactive play. Gave a town list, didn't care to elaborate on his reads that much, just a no care attitude.

Day 2, he claims. Now his claim makes sense from my stand point, yet what is weird is how he claimed. He claimed with a dead check and an alive green on someone who potentially softed cop.

This is where i was rethinking killing as cop. He was playing so bad, and insulting so much, and his checks didn't make that much sense for why he outed. Hence, i figured the only he was making this dumbshit play was because he wasn't actually the cop.

So i moved to batsnacks. He has to be the cop, killing is covering him, and he probably has a red check which is why he is pushing palmar for little reason. He is super hostile to anyone, he is throwing his confirmed self all over the place with threats. This play seemed to be like someone who had more information than i did. Hence why things "fell in line" as to why he could be cop.

As for holyflare and bats. what does it matter. If bats really had a check on holy, he would have pushed it. EoD he wasn't pushing holy, he was pushing palmar.

As for the double check question. people bashed on bats for softing cop. he denied it.

As for being obvious, it isn't that obvious to me. Most of you don't have that many games with joey, or know how he plays roles. Bats was part of the equation not the whole thing. So yes, my story does add up. Because if killing wasn't the cop, and was covering bats. Bats would be pushing his read check EoD. Doing what ever he could to get it done.

On October 03 2014 02:05 batsnacks wrote:
I'm a bad man... Why do I do stuff like that to people...

VE please, channel some of that energy towards FF or super. If you're town I think you'll like where it gets you.

On October 02 2014 23:21 StorrZerg wrote:
Seriously guys, just look at the votes, where have active towns been. ALWAYS AT THE FRONT OF THE LYNCHES PUSHING.

LOOK at the people who are alive with outlying votes, who get on cases late. This game isn't that complicated of mafia pushing THAT FUCKING HARD day 2 to switch a lynch. I HAD FUCKING 0 reason to kill palmar as mafia. He was town reading me hard, and wanted to lynch haru.

I wanted to lynch VE hard today. Why would i fucking kill someone like this unless i was with ve............................ Like seriously use your heads guys, follow the logic its there i swear. If i'm mafia, i'm playing for the god damn win this day, i'm not killing HF in a million years cause i would be town reading him today, and pocketing him. I would have 100% killed the uncontrollable batsnacks who happens to be confirmed town.

On October 03 2014 02:25 batsnacks wrote:


You're playing with fire VE. All I want you to say is:

FF: <alignment>
Superbia: <alignment>

Then you can go back to beating your dead horse.

On October 03 2014 02:50 StorrZerg wrote:
where is this based off sky flipping scum???/

if sky flips town, he said he go hard on haru.
If sky flipped mafia, he would have to relook at the situation.... relook at wagons...

On October 03 2014 04:13 StorrZerg wrote:


no, you refuse to see logic. in why both obi and i can't be mafia.

You refuse to look into jat/ff/super.

Only 2 people wanted to really lynch haru yesterday. Or actively pushed haru.
Me, yes my "musings" was a case, it IS a case. and Holy who agreed with some of my points, GB and voting patterns in particular.

So things that VE is doing today that isn't pro town.

Logic regarding obi and storr cannot both be mafia, because HF died.

Thus, given that logic, only 1 can be mafia within those 2.

There for everyone in the group of "4 of ve, ff, super, jat" has to know at LEAST in their world 2 our of 3 are mafia.

Its likely only 1 town is among the 4, at most 2 towns.

Considering all this, every town Must be thinking about who is mafia in the group of 4. yet, with how many people who are Pushing on Myself, or Obi and disregarding the group of 4, helps reinforce that its likely neither obi and i are mafia.

(save for jat, which is why he might be town)
Thus why VE is avoiding reading anyone in the group of 4 scum. Because its in his best interest to lynch in the palmar group, rather than the people who "haven't been on wagons" who "are not really figuring out the game" who "are skating by"

On October 03 2014 04:46 StorrZerg wrote:


no shit, but its clear some assumptions can be made.

And some of these assumptions make VERY LOGICAL sense.

Holy would have gone after haru today. that is far from "guessing" at what he would do.
Holy would NOT be looking at me, looking at his conditionals for the sky lynch.

That is not hard to figure out.

Still you can remove all this. And still look that a scum team of obi, storr CANNOT kill HF. who is the only other "unknown" at the time who pushed palmar.

On October 03 2014 05:16 StorrZerg wrote:


No. Absolutely not.

Hell bats isn't on me. Thus game is auto loss from your standpoint. He is on you. YOU NEED TO BE GIVING READS AND STOP DODGING

On October 03 2014 05:27 StorrZerg wrote:


Fuck no. It's important to give more than 1 read. Scum profit with 1 read plays allows them to tunnel freely. Only have to make up 1 case.

On October 03 2014 05:34 Fecalfeast wrote:

I'm saying the argument between VE and storr is scummy and that perpetuating it is ridiculous because it's just pages of the same thing.

I'm not even sure who looks worse right now, VE or storr. I don't like the 'we should keep reads a secret so mafia has less info' argument at all... If you hide info and you #1 scumread is town we LOSE THE GAME. I'm not buying that at all.


There is no chance you would have lived as a lurker at this point. HF was dead sure haru was scum if sky flipped town, hell pretty much everyone said that at one point or another. You were dead if you didn't come in full force.

On October 03 2014 08:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
VisceraEyes before you get the wagon on me moving, remember how shitty I was as confirmed town in the italian dressing game.

I'm not mafia. I'm useless, I suck, I get that this means nothing as mafiafecalfeast can say the same thing... but I'm a surefire way to lose the game. It's frustrating because the person who has been pushing me the hardest is our confirmed town coupled with the fact that I have hardly had the time to put in.

With regards to my schedule: I post from my phone while I am making my morning coffee and packing my morning bowl but I spend my time before work losing at SC2, not posting on TL.

I still think Obi is scum but nobody has cared what I think all game so whatever.

On October 03 2014 09:00 justanothertownie wrote:
This is hardly a wagon. Last time I checked I was the only vote on FF.

On October 03 2014 09:03 Fecalfeast wrote:

I hear you. I also am incredibly hard on myself. I don't care if you buy the woe is me act but my confidence took a serious hit.

Also when 2 people are voting me, a third joins in and you start saying I'm scummy, that sounds like a wagon starting up to me

On October 03 2014 09:17 StorrZerg wrote:
games probably the same and hasn't changed. Towns fighting all game bashing heads making the lynches.

Hence why mafia have been easily able to just sit back and let things happen





Players like FF,

Super (day 1 extraordinaire afking while letting "town sort it out with a useless vote)


Ve probably the 3rd. Reading 2 people town + himself in the group. Its wrong logically.
Can't have 2 mafia on palmar with HF dead. Thus VE logic is wrong, has to be scum.

On October 03 2014 09:18 justanothertownie wrote:

The problem is mafia can SAY all they want. What really matters are votes.

On October 03 2014 09:24 Superbia wrote:
Just making sure it's still the same, VE.

On October 03 2014 09:29 StorrZerg wrote:
Yeah I hope obi is town. Will make a ton of sense why I couldn't get the group of 4 to do anything. (Cause 3 mafia)

On October 03 2014 09:33 StorrZerg wrote:



Yeah so how is that town read on super who is staying away from lynching either ff or myself.

YEP. SCUMDAR GOING OFF BONKERS ON HIM

On October 03 2014 08:17 batsnacks wrote:
VE, you're going to give a read on FF and super or I'm going to vote you. If you're town and this store lynch is this important to you, you can give me 2 words of cooperation. Just say what alignment you think they are or I'm voting you and afking.

Giving you some time to read this and think about it.

On October 03 2014 09:40 justanothertownie wrote:

What?

On October 03 2014 09:52 StorrZerg wrote:
See its funny If you use the logic. that there can't be 2 on palmar (between me and obi)

Its confirmed a mafia is voting fo rme right now

On October 03 2014 09:59 StorrZerg wrote:


why are you concerned? your voting for the person thats about to belynched. Should be obvious in your eyes the game is either won or lost. you can't possibly know the game would be ending right now unless you are scum

On October 03 2014 10:02 StorrZerg wrote:


O GOSH VE THAT GOD LIKE READ OF YOU WAS SO GOOD WAIT....

so
bad
so
fucking
bad
you
are

On October 03 2014 10:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I mean I still technically did that but I had to defend myself sort of.

On October 03 2014 10:35 justanothertownie wrote:

Well, I was interested...

On October 03 2014 10:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'll train more and hopefully be as good a towny as you want me to be one day, grandpa VE

On October 03 2014 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:

Didn't read game but so much this
Think Cell III

On October 03 2014 23:32 justanothertownie wrote:
Bitch, you were townreading me in the end!