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On September 24 2014 02:45 Blazinghand wrote: I'm here to save you /out But TL Mafia is already dying from lack of Blazinghand. | ||
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On September 24 2014 07:21 Hapahauli wrote: I'm with abuse. ##Vote Abuse I am not a nice partner. Ouch even though he's statistically the least likely person to be mafia from your POV. | ||
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On September 24 2014 07:41 Hapahauli wrote: Incorrect. We lynch who we think is mafia. Not who we find statistically likely to be town or mafia. well I'd rather look for the 2 mafia group first. It's much easier to use POE to find 2 people together who don't seem very townie when you can narrow out other people from being in that group with a strong town read on just one player. | ||
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On September 24 2014 07:42 Hapahauli wrote: ##Vote Grakaroni I am not a fan of how you so offhandedly dismissed VE from the lynch pool. I can understand disagreeing with me but I don't quite understand why this is scummy? Are you implying that I was trying to protect a scum VE before he even posted? | ||
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On September 24 2014 07:53 VayneAuthority wrote: CR is basically a mafia medic why arent we lynching him again? there hasnt been an easier d1 lynch in ages. im fine with you correctly pointing out grack's weird dismissal of VE but not with your vote. He's not a mafia medic. CR has the option to save somebody and if he saves somebody his win-con changes to a town win-con. | ||
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On September 24 2014 08:17 geript wrote: Oh thank god. I'm not Vayne's partner. Unfortunately I got mystery meat so who knows how that will end up. Alright I'm kind of curious. Is there a Vayne-Geript feud? I'm not up to date with the mafia drama | ||
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On September 24 2014 08:58 Damdred wrote: Best plan atm is all third parties claim, and we lynch into ccs or the people who aren't. Cuts the lynch pool by a lot and will help focus town Good idea. Anyone else want to claim 3rd party? | ||
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On September 24 2014 10:21 VayneAuthority wrote: alright so thats mod confirmation no one can argue now that CR isnt a mafia medic if he is indeed defender hence why he needs to die. He already stated plainly that he'll be saving mafia this game. You're still misreading it. CR "has the option to save mafia" but regardless of who he saves he sacrifices himself and now he wins with town. If he saves mafia he is actively playing against his own win condition. That is why he is not a mafia medic. | ||
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On September 24 2014 10:33 geript wrote: CR-VE Hapa-Abuse Vayne--DP Grack--Kush but Kush isn't on the sign up Geript--MysteryMeat Oats--Damdred So here's where we're at. Kush is rightinthefeels. Which leaves Yamato/Prom paired together | ||
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On September 24 2014 11:43 VisceraEyes wrote: I get 'em bitch, I gave reasoning. You just quoted a post GET OFF ME!!! lol no that was Damdred. I didn't even quote the post I just begged for the points. | ||
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##Vote: Geript | ||
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On September 24 2014 12:53 DarthPunk wrote: What did hapa say that makes you think voting for you was townie? What specifically did you like about it? On September 24 2014 07:59 Hapahauli wrote: Nah just throwing my vote around 'cause why not. What you said makes sense. I disagree, but makes sense. ##Unvote I'd much rather lynch mafia than a 3rd party. Also, how is he a mafia medic? If defender saves someone, they win with town, apparently regardless of the alignment of the saved person. I didn't see any reason for me being scummy so I thought Hapa's vote was strange but I vote people like that sometimes too as town just to get the game started faster and start getting info. I think scum would feel more pressured to justify their vote rather than backtrack. | ||
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On September 24 2014 12:51 DarthPunk wrote: Why? What is so convincing about hapa's case on geript that makes you able to get behind a lynch on him? Geript's posts just feel really awkward to me so I guess I like Hapa's narrative. Not realizing he has a qt doesn't really help his case. | ||
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On September 24 2014 11:44 MysteryMeat1 wrote: I actually dont like cr's play atm either. Hes roled mafia every game on tl, and complains everytime that he isnt town. I feel like he would be happier to play. On September 24 2014 11:58 MysteryMeat1 wrote: @Haphauli I believe it. He claimed early and no cc atm I'm a bit confused about this. The first quote seems to imply that CR might be mafia right? | ||
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On September 24 2014 15:14 geript wrote: This specifically bugs me. I think town Hapa would point out that, regardless of alignment, I would get a QT. Hapa lumping that in the scum pile makes me think he's not actually concerned with thinking about the game critically. I think the reasoning there is that you're more likely to not notice a 2nd qt as scum than to not notice you got a qt as town. | ||
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Yamato/Prom (kind of liking Yamato as town he actually seemed interested in getting discussion started this game) DP/Vayne (leaning town on both atm but I don't have much experience reading DP) Grack/Kush (Kush is actually a strong town read for me for the same reason as DP) Geript/MM1 (I think Geript has seemed really townie recently) CR/VE (CR claimed 3rd party) Hapa/abuse (Not as confident on hapa anymore but he's easy to read based on activity later in the game anyway) | ||
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On September 24 2014 15:57 geript wrote: Holy shit. If my townreads are right, then that means that CR/VE must both be mafia. Ugh. nah there's still the Oats/Damdred group left out ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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On September 24 2014 16:07 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh and Grack is maybe town tow too. But then we start getting into "well then all the lurkers must be scum" territory, so I'm gonna go ahead and hedge and say "null" on Grack. <3 I feel cheated | ||
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On September 24 2014 16:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I WANNA call you town Grack does that count? Ill take it. | ||
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On September 25 2014 01:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Unless he's mafia, then it's "claiming VT to get a townread and then fuck off for the whole game" What I'm asking you is why you think that comes specifically from townKush and not mafiaKush. I don't think Kush is a bad player - he's often perceptive and speaks his mind. He's been neither of those things this game, so I'm interested in why you're hard townreading him for his first post. it's what DP said. Kush wouldn't think so far ahead to make that post as mafia. | ||
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On September 25 2014 01:31 VisceraEyes wrote: It requires no thought - literally no thought at all - to say "Oy I'm a VT wtf is this QT" as mafia. There's no fore-thought necessary. Anyway, I don't care because I'd rather lynch Hapa. I'm just saying townreading Kush for that is ludicrous. For Kush i think that's a lot of thought. He literally had no clue what was going on with the setup. he got in my qt, asked me if we were mafia. Then came in thread and said since when do vts get qts | ||
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On September 25 2014 01:39 Promethelax wrote: Would take Dam as town. He was unhappy I hadn't noticed him which is good. Scum generally don't want people to pay attention to them and his post complaining that I hadn't noticed him is quite townie. I think it's pretty ballsy of him to go after DP | ||
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I'm flipping back and forth a lot on DP in my head. I think that scum damdred would not push town DP at this state in the game. | ||
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On September 25 2014 10:00 VayneAuthority wrote: so anytime people want to get serious about lynching oats I think we are ready to go down that road ##unvote ##vote: oatsmaster You must have a pretty strong read to want to vote Oats over CR. Why Oats? | ||
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On September 25 2014 11:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Prome calling me town is really weird. So is hapa. I have done pretty much nothing. Geript calling me scum is bad. His reasons are bad. I mean, I have like one fucking push dude. I have not posted anything following that push. This read is just really lazy. My scum play is more about agreeing with the best lynch or calling my scumbuddy 100% town. Im not doing that at all this game. Yeah ok prome might just be scum but we lynch geript first. vayne's vote on me is also bad. He votes like we have an ongoing vendetta but he seemed mroe interested in C earlier ##vote Geript I've given less reasons than anyone for voting you. How does that make you feel about me? | ||
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On September 24 2014 18:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Possibly. Doesnt mean its wrong. I noticed that you totally tiptoed around your hapa read, why? Also, why is hapa's case bad but then you agree with one of his points? On September 24 2014 22:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey those cases were good ok, im insulted. Why are they bad specifically? I redid hapa's case on geript and then made some points about your chainsaw and misunderstanding of a joke. Which is clearly a scumtell. TELL ME HOW IS TAKING A JOKE TOO SERIOUSLY NOT A SCUMTELL??? To be clear did you like the cases you wrote on Geript/DP? The first quote isn't something I'd expect to see from your town play. Normally when someone disagrees with your rather unique reasoning you get really loud and in your face. | ||
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On September 25 2014 13:11 Hapahauli wrote: The cost? What? He's saying that we'll have less information to work with if we flip VE and he's town. | ||
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On September 26 2014 01:00 kushm4sta wrote: halp i only have like 5 to 10 min to spend on this game right now and then not again until after eod. i dont know who to vote Read Oats filter fast and tell me what you think | ||
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On September 26 2014 02:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude I have seen absolutely NOTHING on why I'm supposed to be scum. If you can't even make anything up, you can't fucking say you want to lynch me. It's incredibly irresponsible as town and downright lazy as scum. Fuck the way you played this game. You can play way better than this. How confident are in your reads?. First you made a push on Geript//DP and DP said it was the worst case you had ever written and you said "possibly". Then you got nervous about pushing DP because Damdred agreed with you, but you aren't even scum reading Damdred? Why is Geript scum exactly? Because he didn't talk about CR at the start of the game? He's been talking non-stop since then. Because he's flip-flopping on Hapa? A lot of people seem to be flip flopping on Hapa. I haven't actually looked at Prom at all so I'll look into that. | ||
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On September 26 2014 02:51 geript wrote: Grack, talk to me about where you're at right now. Yeah I'm really lost. I'm waiting for Oatsmaster to talk to me. I'm paranoid about Kush because he's super inactive and from the recent games that I've loosely followed he's actually been involved as town and I'm not seeing any of that. I still think Hapa is town and that his case on VE is solid; at least solid enough that VE agrees with it and is suspicious of people town reading him. So that's got to be a good case lol. I know DP claimed that he can't play active scum when I last played with him but I'm not completely sold on him. VA's play has been atrocious but I'm not sure if that makes him scum. Prom/Yamato I think Yamato is town. Prom I'm reading now. First post was actually pretty bad. Geript/mm1 I haven't noticed MM1. You're too active to be scum imo | ||
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On September 26 2014 06:38 DarthPunk wrote: Wasn't the case like complete basedd on meta and I found a game that didn;t comply with that meta. What IS hapa's case exactly? Although VE, voting for CR after I negotiated with him is like the most WHAT THE FUCK?!?! thing ever. He said your contradictory VE game was like 20 games ago | ||
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On September 26 2014 06:43 DarthPunk wrote: Well I am pretty sure VE is town still. Do we have enough people for shenanigans? Would we even have enough people to switch to abuse or mystery meat or damdred or grack or somebody like that who is useless? Not the best way to sway votes by alienating 1/4 of the thread | ||
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On September 26 2014 06:46 DarthPunk wrote: I love you all. Please vote for yourselves. On September 26 2014 06:46 Damdred wrote: I would switch to mm or useless dp Case in point | ||
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On September 26 2014 06:55 DarthPunk wrote: I think damdred is scum. I think you are scum. How about that for starters? Like, People who try and set up lynches based on flips that haven;t happened are very likely to be mafia. I have also hated most of what you have posted. But hey, feel free to 'destroy' me. I think damdred is scum. I think you are scum. How about that for starters? You just voted MM? | ||
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On September 26 2014 07:18 Promethelax wrote: Can you explain why you thought the VE lynch was uncontested? I had to babysit the thread into voting him at the last minute. Because nobody else was being considered for the lynch. Ve himself threw away his vote on CR and gave up. | ||
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He wishes. If he was me he wouldn't look like as much of baddie after this lynch | ||
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On September 26 2014 03:20 Grackaroni wrote: Prom you want to weigh in at all on VE? I think he's probably the most realistic lynch at this point. I was well aware that VE was most likely the person that was going to get lynched, if I was mafia I would have made a case on somebody and tried to save VE because he's probably the solo member. Pretty much every time I play scum I get caught for hard defending my scum buddy. Also Oats I left questions for you. I tried to talk to you before that too and you wouldn't. I wasn't about to hard push you because I'm not confident in my read on you unless you talk to me, but I did think you were likely to be scum from POE. On September 26 2014 02:39 Grackaroni wrote: How confident are in your reads?. First you made a push on Geript//DP and DP said it was the worst case you had ever written and you said "possibly". Then you got nervous about pushing DP because Damdred agreed with you, but you aren't even scum reading Damdred? Why is Geript scum exactly? Because he didn't talk about CR at the start of the game? He's been talking non-stop since then. Because he's flip-flopping on Hapa? A lot of people seem to be flip flopping on Hapa. I haven't actually looked at Prom at all so I'll look into that. I'd still like to know why you are scum reading Geript. all the reasons you've given have just been what Hapa said at the start of the game and theres no way a townie is still holding on to those reasons for a scum read right now. | ||
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Or we lynch CR and he flips mafia and we get a mafia kill | ||
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On September 27 2014 08:12 Grackaroni wrote: Ok. CR is probably mafia because like I said earlier if he's arsonist/poisoner it's in his best interest to not fuck over town because town is winning and Prom is obviously town. Final mafia really likely to be Kushm4sta. This sounds genuine and pretty much tells us that Damdred/MM1/Abuse are not CR's scum partner. | ||
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On September 27 2014 08:12 Chairman Ray wrote: We were like so close to killing you too geript. I really wanted to kill you, but my scum partner was too stubborn about killing prom. If it were up to me, we would be in a decent spot. Anyways, gg, was fun having a fakeclaim game This was the quote I meant to quote | ||
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On September 27 2014 08:52 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Scum lynches d1/d2 isnt a decent spot... I assume he felt they would be in a better spot than shooting the veteran | ||
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On September 27 2014 09:40 Chairman Ray wrote: do I get the prize too if I get it right? You get 2 angry scum teammates | ||
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On September 24 2014 09:20 Oatsmaster wrote: So anyway mafia can really really fucking easily claim 3p here and totally get away with it. What the fuck guys. grack really should know better. Right away I think this is a sign of extra information. Every other person in the game just assumed that CR was legitimately a 3rd party because claiming 3rd party as mafia isn't a winning strategy in this setup. If CR gets CC'd he gets lynched and if the real 3rd party dies he gets lynched. Best case scenario the real 3rd party is poisoner/arson and he wants to work with mafia so he starts killing townie people which would inevitably put a target on CR's back. On September 24 2014 18:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Possibly. Doesnt mean its wrong. I noticed that you totally tiptoed around your hapa read, why? Also, why is hapa's case bad but then you agree with one of his points? This again is a post that only I would want to pick out. In White Flag I called out Oats for calling himself and his reads bad and pushed him a bunch on that and he was mafia. I have a lot of trouble seeing town Oats respond to something like DP said in such a diplomatic manner. When Oats is town he's really loud and in your face; when oats is scum he acts passively and is really shifty. On September 25 2014 11:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Prome calling me town is really weird. So is hapa. I have done pretty much nothing. Geript calling me scum is bad. His reasons are bad. I mean, I have like one fucking push dude. I have not posted anything following that push. This read is just really lazy. My scum play is more about agreeing with the best lynch or calling my scumbuddy 100% town. Im not doing that at all this game. Yeah ok prome might just be scum but we lynch geript first. vayne's vote on me is also bad. He votes like we have an ongoing vendetta but he seemed mroe interested in C earlier ##vote Geript This is pretty much exactly what he did this game. Oats' first case was on Geript and he literally just rehashed everything Hapa said at the start of the game. For some reason he stuck on to that early read for an extremely long time, and it just doesn't make sense considering the fact that Hapa's case was from when Geript had made 6 posts in the thread and Geript's play had changed significantly since then. Static scum reads that don't evolve with the thread are a big scum tell in my opinion. I also agree with what Geript said inside the quote, Oat's isn't aggressively pushing his reads in the way I would expect from him as town. He just posts some reads and disappears. On September 26 2014 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote: What do you mean "Like what"? Im saying you might be buddying me because I didnt feel like I explained my scumread on DP well enough. Anyway as I said, not interested in lynching you today. Who Im interested in lynching. PROMETHELAX. His first content post is so bad. He waffles around geript, posts about some not very relevent posts, then gives a bunch of reads with no reasoning and never attempts to make any effort, other than bitching to VE to give him reads, to get info to expand his scumreads. all his scumreads are "they havent done anything". super weak. Then he goes onto Vayne, none of the points he brings up is good. His main point is that town Vayne would read the OP. Totally not a point at all. Why would scumVayne purposely push a case based on bad info? Literally it makes no sense to not check how the role works as scum because you dont want to get caught like that. Bad bad bad. Continuing, he doesnt post about the biggest issue in the thread, the Hapa/VE stuff. Its huge. He doesnt care. Showing that his mindset is off and isnt aware of the normal thread atmosphere cause hes scum. OK. ##vote Promethelax Hes gonna come back and post a wall of text but dont get suckered. Stay the course and LYNCH HIM. Majority lynch. no lynch is the absolute worst thing that can happen. Oats was one of the only people to really try to get an alternate case to Hapa's out there. (DP tried to make some last minute shenanigans.) This isn't really the kind of case I would expect to see from town Oats but maybe his play has changed a lot since I last saw it. Oats didn't mention the VE/Hapa stuff at all besides to say that VE seemed reasonable. If Oats was town reading VE and thought that the Hapa/VE stuff was huge it's really strange that he didn't make any attempt to defend VE at all and barely mentioned it himself. | ||
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On September 28 2014 08:41 Promethelax wrote: Who do you think is mafia. What do you think of yourself and MM1? I think I'm awesome and the last mafia most likely Oats/DP maaaaybe Kush with a small chance of Yamato. | ||
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I think CR was truthful about the Geript statement and I didn't notice that the person that he told his teammates were angry at him was you. | ||
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On September 27 2014 08:12 Chairman Ray wrote: We were like so close to killing you too geript. I really wanted to kill you, but my scum partner was too stubborn about killing prom. If it were up to me, we would be in a decent spot. Anyways, gg, was fun having a fakeclaim game And say that this quote may OR may not be genuine On September 27 2014 08:47 Chairman Ray wrote: This is my 8th game in a row rolling scum. I haven't played town in almost 2 years, and I hate playing scum. I gotta do something to keep things interesting. My mafia teammates were not very happy with it either. | ||
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On September 28 2014 11:30 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont get geript's case. Hey grack am I still scum? Yeah I still think it could be you | ||
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Basically I'm content with what I've done this game and the amount of effort I've put in. If people want to call me scummy without good reasoning or if the DP/Geript/Yamato/Prom group wants to circle jerk each other and call me useless so be it. | ||
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On September 24 2014 13:01 Grackaroni wrote: I didn't see any reason for me being scummy so I thought Hapa's vote was strange but I vote people like that sometimes too as town just to get the game started faster and start getting info. I think scum would feel more pressured to justify their vote rather than backtrack. Geript if you had read 2 pages of my filter you would understand why your point is nonsense | ||
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On September 29 2014 06:14 geript wrote: I did. I read the whole exchange quite thoroughly. I don't think it's nonsense at all. I'm not sure if it's conclusive but it's exceptionally odd. Its wrong because I never liked Hapa's reasoning for voting for me which really should be 100% clear from my post that I just quoted. I liked Hapa's explanation for why he had voted me, which was that he voted me just because he was trying to stir something up and not because he thought my post was scummy. | ||
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##Vote: Yamato77 I think this is a good vote | ||
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On September 26 2014 06:01 yamato77 wrote: In other news, I will find the other two mafia in the night phase, probably. Activity plummeted after the first day. That is all. | ||
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On September 29 2014 12:28 yamato77 wrote: lol it's grack lololol On September 29 2014 12:16 Grackaroni wrote: My case on Yamato: Activity plummeted after the first day. That is all. Bow before my case of justice. | ||
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I mean wasn't the last Yamato post a scum claim? If not Yamato I'd say it's Damdred but I think CR legitimately wanted to kill Geript | ||
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