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On September 05 2014 20:43 Koshi wrote: LM/HaruRH/gobble
for endgame cred. Also for the record, this is a bit silly, but I think when he's mafia he generally posts 2-3 lists in red whereas as town he tends to post fewer. This might not actually be correct, but I remember that thinking that about him for some reason when I read filter dove him after some other random previous game.
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On September 10 2014 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: Rov = Oracle.
geript tell me why claiming Acolyte is better than claiming the cop on D2? There's not. You should never claim acolyte in this setup unless you are counterclaiming a cop.
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On September 09 2014 16:28 Sylencia wrote:LM: Voting for the person I find my personal top scum read especially early on the day is in no way scummy - sloosh is 2nd on my list but I've been saying it since yesterday that I find geript to be the most scummy. If sloosh is worse in other's eyes and people want him dead, naturally I'm willing to switch. Anyways if you guys are going to vote for me I can very easily claim, since I'd rather take the bullet tonight than have a better role die, and if I do survive it's still a win for town considering it's still more or less a confirmed townie. In addition, because of the fact the necromancer only knowing of the role of someone still alive, it'd be impossible to fake claim the role which was discovered because that person is still alive and able to CC.Rayn: will respond to you when i get home, since I'm leaving work now 
On September 09 2014 17:43 Sylencia wrote: Plz geript I know you want to soup but I'm still on the train, so you'll have to wait. Unfortunately for you though I've been sitting on this train for an hour know and it's not looking like I'm getting home any time soon =(!
On September 09 2014 20:19 Sylencia wrote:Anyways: Claim or die geript?Show nested quote +On September 09 2014 18:34 geript wrote: There's no role he could have that he'd consider claiming period. Like there's no point.
Acolyte isn't a role you ever claim. Nah the brilliant part is that I didn't read who was the Inquisitor until now (to prevent myself from giving away information consciously or unconsciously) so that if the time came I would be able to role claim safely. On that note, our inquisitor is still alive and well. Alive or dead, I don't care but to me it's up to the scum team to decide what happens during the night. What goes down N2 is probably the most telling thing in terms of the scum that are left. "Why would you not read it when you first got it, other than the fact you'd be doing this to role claim later because that seems like horrible play?" - Keeps me from being too biased given my knowledge of the inquisitor (too sheepy etc) - Mathematically only a 1/12 chance of the inquisitor being lynched. Given that town players also act less scummy in general, that chance of being lynched decreases. This helps me justify not looking at it. - If they died N1, I'd check. Given we know the martyr died, there was no need. I was going to hold on to whether or not I'd read it for another 12 hours because the final 24 hours of the day are always more important but yeah, since I have 3-4 votes on me my hand was kind of forced.
In the first post, he wants to take a bullet to save a better role. The problem is that by claiming not only does he not help protect any better role, he actually makes it FAR FAR easier to find said better role.
Then look at the next couple of posts. Does Sylencia think I'm town whatsoever? No. He's voting me; he's pushing me, etc. If he thinks I'm mafia, why wouldn't he just tell me to go fuck myself? If I'm mafia, I have literally 0 recourse toward making good on my threat of "claim or die." But despite the fact that he's sure I'm mafia, when presented with claim or die from his biggest scumread, he CHOOSES to acquiesce and claim. Why? So I could soup him? It's not like I could Judge him if I'm mafia. It's not like I could Grandier him if I'm mafia. It's not like I could Crusader him if I'm mafia. What threat am I posing to him if he's town and is sure I'm mafia?
If he's town, what is the value that he actually sees in claiming? Why does he think that claiming Acolyte is an instant get out of jail free card? It's not a role you can ever afford to confirm (in 99% of cases obviously).
Let's also look at what Mafia can do. They can have a pretty good guess as to who the Inquisitor on D2 is if they're reasonably intelligent. That can lead back to the Acolyte as well (it goes both ways). Like if I were mafia, I would be in such a huge advantage. The mafia aren't players who've played this setup before.
Also, if you read the rules, you'd know that claiming Martyr was a fucking terrible play.
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On September 10 2014 16:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2014 16:21 geript wrote:On September 10 2014 16:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: For the record even if Koshi WAS the Acolyte mafia would not know that. What other role do you claim as mafia then? cop or Rov. Cop can be CC'd by 2 people at least 1 of which is, well was, assured to be alive.
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I think fakeclaiming Acolyte is fine play; it potentially gives you a day or more and in the least gives you a huge advantage in figure out the roles. Acolyte leads to cop; period. Forcing a CC helps solve the puzzle. How he did it is fucking terrible. I dont' think it's ever correct for the Town!Acolyte to claim UNLESS they are counterclaiming a cop claim or another Acolyte claim (the latter depends on if you can push his lynch without claiming). How soup works in this setup makes claiming any role far, far more dangerous than at VS.
By how he did it being terrible I mean, look at the progression of posts.
Put this above the post w/ all the Syl stuff. I ahve like 8 windows open and forget where to copy/paste the shit.
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Also for the record, this specific setup is far more mafia favored than the VS setup. Sounds odd but the variety of little changes really matter.
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On September 10 2014 17:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: how does soup work differently than it does on VS? As I remember it on VS, you could guess any number but any wrong guesses meant nothing went through. Here they process one at a time. So claims -> freebie plus a second guess (or wifom machine).
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Nah, I'm remembering it wrong from VS.
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If people refuse to lynch Sylencia, I want to lynch either Harurh or Damdred. I could be convinced to look at Oats, but if I can't get a lynch off on Syl then those are the main two I'd look at. I'm still hoping Robik was mafia though.
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On September 10 2014 17:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2014 16:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 10 2014 15:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like: Now i am pretty convinced you are town Sloosh. Sylencia is town ritoky is town i am pretty sure yamato is town i'll yolo and say Damdred is town just because of his reaction to me when i called him scum. that leaves me geript, Oats, Haru, LM. At least 2 mafia there (because i am pretty sure robert was town). I am PRETTY sure we just win the game if we just lynch everyone in that pool.  geript calls Haru and Sylencia (rofl) mafia. Oats calls Haru and LM (and you) mafia. LM calls Damdred and you mafia. I have no idea who Haru thinks is mafia. I guess we need to read Haru next. geript which part of this post you do not agree with (excluding my read on you)? Yamato at this point is fuck if I know. I figure he would've cared more at some point if he were town. Like it's essentially D3 time wise. He's felt towny at points but fuck it I can't tell don't give a fuck town yam from hates his life scum yam.
I don't think Damdred is town. I didn't catch what you read in his reaction. I'll do that when I get up.
Sloosh felt towny at points. Could be wrong. I liked Koshi's read on him too.
Oats can die. LM is town. Every time I read his filter I thought he was really towny. No clue as to why off the top of my head. Could be a bad read. I will laugh my ass off though post game if all the people I've been hard calling town are mafia and none of my mafia reads are mafia.
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So Syl, have YOU been through Koshi's filter to know if there's any single hint as to him being Acolyte? Who says the key info is even in his filter?
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Also I'd like to point out that with the martyr change, this is probably Lylo so mafia would 100% claim to get info for a big soup or stay alive.
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On September 10 2014 18:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: it is not lylo. you are not paying any attention to the game. i just ran the numbers and hour or so ago... 7-3 with a mislynch and soup 3. Quite easy. Even a soup for 2 is gg.
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On September 03 2014 18:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 13:17 gobbledydook wrote:On September 03 2014 11:12 gobbledydook wrote: Wait
Does that mean that if the witches use Witch Soup to post a list of all the combinations of player - role matches, they instantly win? Or does it mean, you may match any number of players to roles instead of the nightkill, but you may not match a player to more than one role per night? Well not sure if I understand your question, but the soup instantly fails when they guess wrong. So if the witches wanted to be clever and do something Palmar - Acolyte Palmar - Priest they instantly fail if "Acolyte" is wrong, and the soup drinking ends, even if Palmar is priest, nothing happens to them. Another example: Artanis the witch wants to kill townies, marv is Judge, Sandroba is Crusader and Palmar is Priest, and syllogism is Grandier. Witches submit: marv - Judge Sandroba - Crusader Palmar - Acolyte syllogism - Grandier. This will result in: Marv - dies (unblockable soup kill) Sandroba - dies (unblockable soup kill) Palmar - survives syllogism - survives Day post will read: marv has been killed sandroba has been killed Artanis the witch tried to kill Palmar as the Acolyte. I want to make sure that people also understand the witches can stop drinking the soup at any time, as in, they can submit as many target as they like. In the example above they could've submitted: marv - Judge Sandroba Crusader And in that case the results will be: Marv - dies (unblockable soup kill) Sandroba - dies (unblockable soup kill) and day post will read: marv has been killed sandroba has been killed Notice how as they didn't get any guesses wrong, nothing is revealed. This seems to be to the contrary.
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Mental reminder. Soup kills should be full flip.
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Any who it's almost 6 am here and I need sleep.
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I have 10 pages on day 2. People who think I'm scum need to explain that.
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HaruRH, Damdred, oats. Look at the last vote count. Final answer. I'm voting Damdred.
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Maybe it was HaruRH. Idk I'm sleepy.
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WTF is up people. No one wants to fucking lynch someone? Does no one fucking realize that Robik could've been the judge and we're without one at this point? Conveniently, I think if we lynch Damdred, Oats, Harurh we also are lynching the people most likely to be scum (solely based on filter length--Granted LM has shortest filter iirc but close enough).
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