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Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts. Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more. | ||
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On September 02 2014 10:53 kushm4sta wrote: yeah i dont like how batsnacks posted that random shit. really anti town to do that in a mission game. I don't put any weight into it whatsoever. | ||
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On September 02 2014 10:56 kushm4sta wrote: yeah but that could satisfy a mission, which makes it fishy. I'm ignoring anything about missions cause until we have more information about them whatever we see as possible mission is tinfoil and I'm annoyed at how the game started with all that setup talk. What I don't ignore is possible scum, three people in particular caught my eye so far, can you guess at least one of them? | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:10 kitaman27 wrote: It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned. Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack? 3d12 for his awkward entrance so far. I would like to discuss Templars post more though. Let's say you need to appear like contributing, that post is one thing I would see scum starting with. They go through the thread commenting on various issues (instead of just thinking them through and getting straight to the point of what they find scummy without having to list a load of posts), when they're done, they look at what they commented on and base their entire read narrative off it. That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same. | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:12 Tehpoofter wrote: Why do you ask him for specifically three? am I missing some meta? Cause I have three suspects and I'm testing kush for congruence cause when we're town he's my bro. | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:17 kushm4sta wrote: vivax there is no congruence. 3d is fine templar is not super scummy kita "pushing stuff under the rug"... okkkk nice conspiracy theory batsnacks needs some plynching. That's not the reason I even found kita suspicious initially. Me pushing that notion comes from the fact that I found him suspicious just for his entrance, so what you mention is a consequence and not a cause. | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:23 kitaman27 wrote: So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"? meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again. You didn't seem displeased, you gave us a reason for you to not pursue it further. If you were displeased I'd expect you to be more confrontational than that, where you give yourself a reason to ignore it. Why bring it up at all if it's of no relevance for you afterwards? That's what I also don't understand from a town pov. I'd expect you to mention things you find worthwhile mentioning and if you mention that but don't apply it at all to your templar read cause apparently it doesn't say enough for you then it just looks like an issue you would find scummy usually, but here you play it down. | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:36 kushm4sta wrote: I don't think 3d is all that scummy considering he's new to forum mafia. It explains the awkward feels people are getting/ Nice! (no sarcasm) | ||
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Why was kita just white and not pink if you didn't just disagree previously, instead found him suspicious according to your recent opinion? | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:53 kushm4sta wrote: dude aren't you married to bunnies or some shit Did you ask her if she wants to be your gf yet. | ||
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Such a dry answer. | ||
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In my opinion it's just a buzzword related to a bad heuristic and I would appreciate if you didn't scumread people off so lazy reasons. There is literally no logic behind buddying=scum, if you could even call what I did like that, which is comparing my reads with people whose town play I value. | ||
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We should change topics. So basically I have this feeling that kita and templar are scummies. | ||
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On September 02 2014 12:11 Tehpoofter wrote: I think buddying is something mafia does often maybe not out right but its a valuable tactic to get town read by someone who has a lot of influence in town and ride that "x thought I was town" mantra until the end. So I disagree its a bad heuristic its something I look for always when I'm playing. The point is that buddying is a scum tactic a good one and I'm going to call it out if I see it happening. Yeah but townies buddy too, it's then called town circle and I don't see how you decide that I'm scum buddying over town buddying. | ||
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K:"there's this but let's wait and see" TT: "K discussing this but white" TT." tis actually scummy" TT: "Oh wait I misread I take it back, but this maybe is scummy" et cetera | ||
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Not sure what to make of micchan cause he seems experienced with mafia based on his post but apparently hes no smurf, he posted outside of the mafia subforum which usually isnt allowed for smurfs but reaaaaally not sure. If I had to guess at a smurf id have guessed at palmar for using a hashtag and being lurky. There's way not enough for me to scumread him off that however. | ||
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On September 02 2014 12:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't think anything about her. She hasn't done anything yet to warrant my attention. Honestly, there's not really a whole lot that stands out to me right now. A lot of people are pushing/talking about convoluted shit that I don't really care about. I'm really not going to get batsnacks' shitpost out of my head for a while and I'd rather just kill him and be done with it. You're the bbygirl doofus. Also you're a lazy bum if that's your final decision. | ||
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I also don't think he's scum. Scum is among this bunch imo: - Templar - Kush - Kita - 27nb - micchan | ||
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On September 03 2014 06:47 Tehpoofter wrote: We might be friends this game. I am 4/5 on scum reads with you. Kush being the only exception. What makes you read kush as scum? I'd also have 3d12 in the scum pile in his place. Vote Micchan with me that dude is scum. Complains about the mess activity and fucks off comes back and throws scum on the person being scum read by lots of people then defends himself with his 3 posts like thats his whole filter. I'm going to case him in a second so once I've posted you can just say "wow great post poofter" and vote. Kush is possibly scum cause I wasn't able to say he's supertown yet. Don't see scumminess in 3d12's posts so I prefer to keep him in my town pile. | ||
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You imply somebody, in this case poofter, is scummy for going after easy targets which is nonsense. You have a bunch of people playing the game, some play the game with more effort than others. When those playing with effort scumread those who play with less effort then yes, the target is easy but the motivation behind it is largely understandable. The hardest part of playing scum is putting effort you don't actually have to put into the game cause there's nothing for you to solve. So explain to me what the hell you're trying to achieve with this stuff on tp. | ||
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On September 02 2014 11:10 kitaman27 wrote: It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned. Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack? On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote: I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this. 3d12: I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit). This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd). He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post. I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours) This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read. If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made... This for me falls into the category of a post that should have caught your attention and forged your opinion on him into a red way. | ||
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On September 03 2014 10:15 The_Templar wrote: Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all. Why would you write this about someone you never openly considered as scum in your filter. Last thing you said about me is how me bringing up something repeatedly was odd. It just looks like you try to discredit me for no reason, since your filter lacks the motivation to push me as a scumread. | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:19 The_Templar wrote: Sorry, forgot that I have to read someone as red to disagree with them and say that they could be red. Fine let's play it your way. You are red. Happy now? But you didn't disagree with me. You found some of my behaviour odd and disagreed with Poofter about me being town. Why act so mad now? | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:36 The_Templar wrote: I never said I found your behavior odd. I said you could be red even though you had the same opinions as him, and that I didn't really see a townie mindset from you. I suppose you interpreted the mindset part as accusing you of red but that wasn't my intention. While I happened to have a pink read on you, I did not accuse you of scum, it's just you didn't act terribly pro-town. So am I red for lacking the townieness poofter thought to have seen or cause you saw something scummy you didn't mention yet. | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:39 Tehpoofter wrote: Yeah we're going to be friends this game. Yo vivax I might propose to you if I feel the need to update my BMK. This line of questions you've been asking all game seems townie to me. How do you get your read on kush? for me its "does he seem to give a shit" if yes = town if no = mafia. So far he seemed to give a shit earlier now not so much. I think thats the read we had different so want to know more about that read. Kush is very capable of looking townie, as town. He will look interested and engaged and I will generally get the right vibe from him. As scum he talks a lot about irrelevant stuff and you will get the feeling that he doesn't care, he will usually join wagons on townies in a way that doesn't leave much room for alternatives (as in, he doesn't really care about other options). | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:52 Damdred wrote: Vivax, can we talk about mderg for a minute together. What do you think of him rejoining the thread, saying that we should ignore all missions, and then just talking about 3d the whole time he was in the thread? What about it? He mentioned what he found worthy of mention and that in a blunt, not convoluted way, so overall I don't see anything scummy about mderg. He also made an observation about templar's longish post which was legit, cause imo that's how scum would post. Like, they don't know what to talk about, so templar goes for post by post analysis with a short commentary to each and then quickly bases all his reads off of what he analysed. It just seems so...stretched. You usually see something and think "oh that doesn't look good for bsbsbs" and then mention it to the thread. I don't know templar well but that method of scumhunting doesn't seem genuine to me cause it reads like he had trouble thinking of something to talk about so he would just talk about...a lot of different things and then make his scumhunting alibi out of it. | ||
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On September 03 2014 12:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I never post reads dude. I always hide them until I have an ironclad case or unless I have a really strong townread, of which I have neither. Also, I haven't even read Micchan yet. I'm gonna be honest and say I really don't give a shit about him at all because he looks boring. Where's town hero duelist Obi? | ||
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Later he says he has no scumreads. | ||
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##Vote: Micchan I like what kitaman has to say about nb. | ||
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As for 27nb: Don't see much need to expand atm cause I'm content with where this is heading, which is probably the lynch of that guy who doesn't seem to care about the game. I'm still awaiting for a more thorough explanation from bats about his first post. Was it some sort of trap play batsy? | ||
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Gonna reread. | ||
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You gonna post activity graphs soon? | ||
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On September 04 2014 07:57 kushm4sta wrote: vivax i did some shit before eod Not enough bro. I'm afraid I will have to get you lynched | ||
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His first post, I regret not putting more weight into it initially. Anyway I googled that shit and it's from some I ching or book of changes. So basically this guy, for no apparent reason decides to quote some pages from a book of some religion or fuck knows what. His later play is super serious. I've read a little of bats in cell mini where he got mislynched, and well.. He started trolly, and he stayed trolly. Here he starts trolly, and then goes tryhard. No explanation for his first post yet. So maybe it was his mission to post that stuff and instead of slowly working his way up to a reason to post it, he just decided to jump into the cold water by posting it first and seeing what would happen. All this stuff is a bit tinfoil I know, but... ONE explanation is better than none, and it doesn't sit right with me that it got skipped over so easily (which was also my fault). If bats was town, mafia would have tried to capitalize on it at some point, probably. | ||
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So he wanted to gauge reactions with that stuff, not sure if serious in this setup | ||
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On September 04 2014 10:32 Tehpoofter wrote: In regards to mafia trying to pounce on it. What do you think about how kush tried to push bats originally as bats was the first major wagon before town hero poofter got the medic lynched? Is this not what you mean about bats getting jumped on by mafia? If kush is mafia it's not cause of that. At least I didn't pay especially attention to it. Problem with kush being is that he doesn't display the fucks he usually gives when he wants to win as town. Read his showdown filter for example. Right now I'm more concerned with finding other scum but I'm feeling pretty confident on kush given his D1 performance. | ||
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For example something about me saying bsbsbs, then saying bsbsbs, while one of the posts was after I said something else yet he kinda displays it as if one came after the other while the order wasn't in that chronology. I'm on the fence with him however, might be misguided townie but then I also see other stuff like: "My meta is to do this every game and Vivax pushes me for it". 1. How am I supposed to know I never played with him. 2. From what I've gained from others he always rolled scum so why is it wrong to bring it up since apparently it's his scumm meta. | ||
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In short: I thought loudly about it but I won't further use it in my reasonings. | ||
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On September 04 2014 11:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Am curious as to why you think this, to sate my own ego if nothing else. Cause as mafia you don't give a single fuck about the game and give off an aura of disinterestedness and you just went and double checked what Oats wrote. | ||
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On September 04 2014 11:22 Damdred wrote: Bats, 3d, bunnies and mush is making me nervous for his activity level and bare bones posts. That's where I am atm I can understand bunnies and bats cause they are valid options for me as well but I have a hard time seeing scumminess in 3d. He willingly talks a lot about his view of the game and I don't usually associate that with scum. | ||
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On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote: If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar. What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses. On September 04 2014 03:53 3d12 wrote: Hey everyone, sorry for going MIA yesterday. I got dragged into a bit of a mess IRL that ended up sucking up my night. I lurked the thread on my phone when I could get service, and took down some notes: With my personal notes out of the way, let's move on to direct responses: Up until this post in the thread, bunnies' biggest contribution to the thread was to town claim for the person she's been buddying/bantering with throughout the whole thread. Suspicious? Yes. Lynchable? Not by itself. I also particularly disliked the way bunnies was gathering information, going from defensive short-posts to prodding people for their reads and then replying to each one-by-one. Generally, townies are more willing to share their reads, instead of needing to base their perspective on other people's reads. Today's bunnies is a bit different from yesterday's bunnies, in that she's laid out a list of her reads. No information or explanation, but at least she's sharing. I do like that. The read is silly because it was based entirely on meta. A person's meta can change from game to game. This read came from nothing tangible. For example, it would be impossible for me to have the same read on poof because I've never played with him. Since you and I have been exposed to the same information this game, you are using information I have not been exposed to to make a claim on someone else. That is absolutely 100% fishy, would you agree? As for my reads on poofter, see point 3 from my "last night's notes" above, and my list of reads below. Anyone else thinking that mderg is trying hard to get some focus on me? I wasn't the only one to nullread/townread bat yesterday. And yes, traditionally from my live mafia experience, provocative openings are usually townies. It's probably an 80/20 split. I never confirmed him green, but I pointed out that bat looked town from the way he opened. If you have a better reason to scumread him instead, why not post your reasoning? This was all the reasoning I could find in your filter, and it's pretty weak. So, how about it, mderg? Batsnacks: scum or town? List of reads: Mafia ObiWanShinobi (Very non-committal so far, easily switched vote from "troll vote" to batsnacks once it seemed like bat was being scumread. Hesitant to share information. Off-topic posts. Only real redeeming quality so far is calling out kush, very pro-town move.) mderg (Repeatedly pushing the "ignore the missions" idea, provoking reactions from players while not disclosing any information himself, heavy lurking, generally defensive) kushm4sta (Tunnel-vision on batsnacks, trying to start a plynch, low activity otherwise) Micchan (Inactivity, defensive, no thoughts shared, no case built, suspicious bandwagoning) Mafia-likely (Pink) TehPoofter (High voting pressure, starting a bandwagon/plynch, very large filter, calls people out on buddying while blatantly attempting to buddy, redeemed so far by good questioning of Templar's motives) Oatsmaster (Avoiding all talk about missions, redirecting scum claims towards bat and Obi, not posting thoughts openly) Neutral (White) The_Templar (Good expression and information-sharing, challenges unnatural ideas/thoughts, sensibly pieces together a motive. Neutral because of weak (meta/defensive) defense about his role) Vivax (Strange read on poofter, but otherwise constructs very sensible and well-put-together posts pointing out discrepancies. Without the pink vibe from his accusations toward kita and templar, would likely be very town atm.) Damdred (No real read yet, seems to be gathering information. Is asking the right questions, but not sharing information openly) 27ninjabunnies (Good info balanced out by suspicious buddying/claiming) Town batsnacks (I wasn't sure at first, but after your expose on kita, I know you're looking in the right places. Your investigation is solid and you're providing direct responses to your challenges. I highly doubt kita is scum, but I like the way you think.) kitaman27 (The main source of information so far imo, this guy is posting very good reads and keeping good notes. Only scummy behavior so far is what was pointed out by Vivax, but without further proof I'm willing to let it slide as a poor choice of words) All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that. ##Vote: Micchan | ||
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On September 04 2014 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote: So, the conversations here have been pretty interesting.. Seriously, batsnacks needs to die! There's been like 4 or 5 times Obi has asked BS to give his read as to why there's one between me and him, and BS still has refused to answer. Why are you avoiding it so much, Bat? Also, Dam, how can you be reading me, Bat, and 3d as mafia when I've been pushing on Bat, and called 3d scum/neutral scum earlier? This alone gives you the confidence that he must be scum? Bats isn't exactly renowned for caring a lot about his image as town so I wouldn't put it past him that he simply didn't read it or doesn't care about answering, hence I need to see how this argument of yours shows that it must come from his scum mindset. What do you think about 3d's weird opinion change on you that I displayed above? | ||
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However he has 6 pages of filter so far so I don't feel like he's one of the guys I would lynch any time soon. I would be interested into knowing what his other options are however. | ||
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On September 04 2014 12:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This seems to happen to you a lot. I think it's hilarious. Wish I could think the same way, it's like I can't play a game without somebody trying to pull me into shitfights. Must have to do with the italian origins. | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:05 3d12 wrote: This post bothers me the most so far. Unless it's sarcasm, then disregard. Why would an individual's meta be relevant at all? I understand the nature of certain people may not change much, but especially in a forum-based game, is it really so hard to believe that people would act differently from game to game? Because to be honest, it does look like the shittiest reason. I don't like this read from Vivax at all. If you can challenge this view, I'd welcome you to do so. No hate, and I promise I'm reading. Keep in mind that people interpret things differently, and that's part of the fun of Mafia. What one person may not see in a post, someone else might. How should I read him in your expert opinion? "people interpret things differently" -> Doesn't give his own interpretation | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:48 3d12 wrote: When you say a bit much, do you mean too much effort or too many people? With a coordinated town effort, I think enough subtle changes to the meta could really throw things off for them. The way I see the Mafia this game, they are likely extra paranoid due to the death condition hanging over their heads. I think the easiest way to bring them out would be to shake things up and see who starts crawling out. Do you disagree? | ||
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Besides, if he were mafia, why would he go out of his way to start a wagon against a second party? You would think that would make you stick out more than blend in, which it did. wtf... | ||
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It kinda hit me how he would speak of "parties", as if he knew that bats and kita were different ones. | ||
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What's odd is the wording, couldn't unsee, but I don't know if it's a genuine slip or just a weird word he chose to use, but since he can argue in his favour when explaining, it's probably unproductive to dwell on this. | ||
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On September 04 2014 14:08 3d12 wrote: Sure. Quoted here, for posterity. My read on bunnies was based mostly on her read of poofter. Early D1 I didn't like the way she openly read him as town for reasons of personal meta. At the moment, it seemed like the most likely scenario was that she was buddying and attempting to avoid suspect. Later on in the day, she seemed to become more perceptive and started posting reads and sharing info, interacting with more people. Specifically this post, which was indicative that we're at least reading kita the same way: I'm not 100% convinced she's town, but she gained a few town points to me in the twilight hours of D1. Yea but what I'm still missing here is the contradiction: First you said "If I could lynch someone now it would be bunnies". In the later post you backtrack from this and say about the same stuff "suspicious, yes, but lynchable no". Then mention how you didn't like her way of prodding people for reads. And at the end of this it's suddenly all cool cause she shared her reads at some point. Your suspicion of her is not as visible at this point, compared to the previous post where you said you would lynch her, and you mention a mix of scummy and not scummy stuff you conclude with by saying something that you like (she's sharing reads of her own). What also is out of my understanding is that you mention the scummy stuff a person has done and when she stops doing it, it's suddenly all right again. It's like pointing out things that make somebody scum, they are there, they are out and you saw them and picked up on it. And when that person simply stops doing the mistakes you called her out for, you unscumread her? Just like that? | ||
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Forgetful about the reasons you found her scummy for? | ||
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On September 05 2014 08:08 batsnacks wrote: I don't think Vivax is scum, but scum Vivax likes to afk d2 after a successful d1. My intention is to give him extra motivation to prove he's town to me. Yeah I do that when I feel safe cause a sufficient amount of people think I'm town cause of D1. By voting for me you would put me on my guard actually making me play more past D1. Which would make your vote on me a terrible strategy cause it would actually lead to me not displaying my scum tell. | ||
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On September 05 2014 08:17 batsnacks wrote: You know by now how I love my terrible strategies. Is kitaman27 mafia? Well when I read his posts the thing that comes to mind is: Artificial, excessively thought out. It's like he puts in a tremendous amount of effort to make them sound legitimate. | ||
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On September 05 2014 08:25 batsnacks wrote: I went back and tried to find a game or two where he was mafia. I found Doctor Who mafia or something. He posted a lot of gifs and one liners that game but there were some good posts. That had, at the time, diminished my scum read of him but he is someone I keep going back to. If I were a day vigi I would consider shooting him, but it would feel selfish. Do you think anything of the mission stuff I said to him? About how he was scum and his mission could be he has to vote with the majority. Why should I think about missions if I scumread him off his posts? I'd rather not use that line of reasoning here, we could have tested that theory D1 with sufficient consensus but now I'd rather not touch i again. Kush is still lynchable. Not by amount of posts which he justified with being busy but by the effort he puts into them. They lack the ambition town kush has. | ||
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On September 05 2014 08:30 batsnacks wrote: This post reeks of tmi. Kush, how do you know I'm mafia unless you're mafia? Not sure if serious | ||
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On September 05 2014 08:46 kitaman27 wrote: lol I've never seen "it looks like he's putting a tremendous amount of effort" as a reason to call someone scummy. If you think I'm mafia, come out and say it with a legitimate case, because you're not going to discredit my posts by calling them artificial without providing examples. @bats, just an fyi, that Doctor Who game that you looked at, I started out as town and was converted to mafia later on in the game. Will probably post about bunnies next. What I mean is: You seem very focused on delivering very thought out explanations for your own behaviour in some aspects. It's like you're writing an alibi on how every time a certain specific event pushes your thoughts into a certain direction, which seems artificial. You are more focused on explaining yourself and why your thought process develops in a certain way rather than explaining why somebody else is scum. | ||
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On September 05 2014 08:54 kitaman27 wrote: meh, what do you think of bunnies before I give my opinion? Currently null | ||
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##Vote: Kushm4sta Kita, your take on kush please. Same for Oats or anyone else for that matter. | ||
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The thing is: What kita said about quote chain hitting 10 legitimately scared me, and then bats suddenly going nuts. I was really tempted to vote for him at that point if my scumreads didn't look like they wanted to lynch him. | ||
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On September 05 2014 09:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah I could maybe talk myself into doing it. It's like he has occasionally posted good stuff but not with any consistency, like he only comments on stuff he can make a good post on. What did you find good so far? | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I really can't get over how weird the Templar kill was. Who shoots Templar? What does scum get out of it? The dude basically claimed not blue earlier in the game, so rolefishing is out. They either expect people to consider me as scum or they had the feeling that he was looking too townie. He had the biggest filter in the game. If I look at his reads those were me, batsnacks, 3d. No way of knowing if he got shot for his reads or for his townieness though. | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:38 Damdred wrote: I'll answer the second question first. Currently, I am nervous about Micchan. He made his initial post (which i pointed out also), that complains about the thread atmosphere which honestly was not bad at the time of his post. I think we were still in setup talk and were startin to move towards actual talk. He did not stay in the thread and help improve the conversation or even say what the mess was. On his return his posts were an excuse and throwing more suspicion onto 3d with no follow up. He has since lurked obviously. This is worrisome to me, but it is not enough for a scum read currently I think. We still have a good many hours left to search for scum and their is just not much to go on in his filter, theres no real meta case to be made as he is a newb or a smurf. And well I really do not like going for low hanging fruit. The people who I would like to see more out of right now are: -snip- On September 04 2014 03:04 Damdred wrote: ##Vote:Micchan Theres a few things that have led me to this vote. The first being in the way that his posts have gone about. He casually threw more accusations at 3d when pressure on him was the highest. He complained about the thread but never tried to fix it, gave excuses why he did not post yesterday and never posted again. All he has done is lurk, and while lurking is not scummy his play and posts look and feel scummy to me. A couple games ago I got into a situation that was similar in arnie and I let GB slide doing somewhat the same things and I don't want to make that mistake again by letting someone go whos to scummy to be scum. | ||
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On September 05 2014 11:57 Damdred wrote: Your correct Viv that at the point in the first post I did not want to vote on mix. You are also leaving out the context of the first post where poof demanded to know why I was not sleeping his case on mic. However a good bit of time passed and I thought he was the best option especially since a lot of people went afk with votes on him. So yea context helps that The context doesn't really help me here cause you expressed much doubt in the first post and how you didn't like going after low hanging fruit. Not much happened in between but you came back with more confidence to vote for him, confidence coming from...?? | ||
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On September 05 2014 12:09 Damdred wrote: At the first post it was shortly after his last post in the thread, so I was expecting him to come back and fight. But as the day was coming to an end, he hadn't done anything at all past that time. So it was his own lack of trying that gave me confidence. You said you found his posts scummy and that lurking wasn't inherently scummy. Lurking you now call lack of trying. No way, man. This smells like an excuse. ##Unvote ##Vote Damdred | ||
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On September 05 2014 12:27 Damdred wrote: Ok mr. I'll just stick my vote here and go to sleep plynch is cool. His posts were/are scummy, he lurked said scummy things which isn't inherrintly scummy then he left never came back. Yea ok whatever. Except low fruit who are actually town don't fuck off and not fucking fight. But with this you're using another argument than what you actually used previously: That his posts were scummy. That's cause I found a gap you had to fill in. | ||
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1. Damdred dislikes mix posts but doesn't see his lurking as scummy, decides to not go after him at this point for being low hanging fruit and to look for other options. 2. Damdred decides to vote Mix for his posts and again emphasizes that it doesn't have to do with his lurking. 3. I ask where the sudden boost of confidence came from. 4. Now in retrospective it's cause Mix didn't want to fight back, which is just another way of saying that he didn't post, which is another way of saying that he lurked, which previously wasn't a concern in his vote, so it couldn't have given that confidence to Damdred. Your vote on Damdred is a vote on scum. | ||
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On September 05 2014 12:51 Damdred wrote: Except there's a difference in lurking, low hanging fruit, and someone who decides not to fight back. Marv or yamatto is good example of the last in showdown. Viv is a good example of lurking in storm 2, and mm1 is good example of low hanging fruit in a few of his games. Your conclusion is flawed It's a difference that is only visible in the eye of the observer. If someone is busy, actively avoiding to post, or gave up on reading the thread, is entirely up to you. But you categorized what Mix did based on the version that would be most useful to you at a certain point. Earlier it was lurking, but you already said that it wasn't an argument for you, so you had to keep calling it lurking. Now that you needed a reason for your confidence when voting for him, you made the lurking a giving up. | ||
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But you still called it lurking, and you still said that it wasn't relevant to you. | ||
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But your argument for getting confidence on mix being scum is that he didn't. | ||
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On September 05 2014 13:31 27ninjabunnies wrote: Kush, either explain how BS is confirmed scum or I'm voting you. I've been waiting for some big bomb to drop, and it hasn't yet and I'm really fucking disappointed. That being said. Kita/Poof you are wrong on me. If you can't see this is my town game, then you can't read me at all. ##Vote:Batsnacks Americans :> Jokes aside, you're free to do something of your own. You're not sitting behind a big fat desk waiting for your catering service to serve you scum on a silver plate. | ||
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On September 05 2014 13:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Well I am. Is that not how this game works? Only for those who pledge loyalty to me. On September 05 2014 13:56 kushm4sta wrote: oh batsnacks isn't confirmed scum i just said that because i really think he's scum ##vote batsnacks Cool, can you elaborate or do that other stuff you do when you're town? | ||
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I am like 90 % sure he's scum. | ||
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On September 02 2014 12:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either. Why complain and run out of the thread, give us some thoughts about whats going on in the thread. On September 02 2014 21:58 Damdred wrote: I do not think that Plynching bats is a good idea, he has not posted enough for me to get a real read on him yet, and i'm not going to think that his post is mission oriented as it would be counter productive. I have played a lot with bats and normally if hes mafia he formulates his posts a lot more, when hes town he just says random stuff or does random things. Obviously cannot tell, if you want to lynch him do not waste a plynch on him, wait for him to post more and actually do something scummy rather than something to mess with your head. But I also think 3d is a bit premature in giving him a town pass until he posts more. Oats, is your vote on obi for his random votings and lurking? Or some other reason? On September 03 2014 00:32 Damdred wrote: Why are you so willing to shoot batsnacks? You even say that this is fool batsnacks in your post, it seems kinda weird you would want to shoot bats when you think hes possibly trying to get lynched..... And why would you be willing to get 3d12 out of the game? He seems awkward its true, and his read on bats is faulty (his initial reasons anyway) but does not getting him out of the game for those reasons seem a bit flimsy to you? On September 03 2014 11:38 Damdred wrote: Batsnacks: His entrance to the thread was weird. On his re-entrance he ignored a lot of things that were posted against him, he never even showed interest in answering anything. His posts are really formulaic, right now they are reminding me of Neat and Tidy mafia instead of crazy bats in Cell or Titanic. Also usually hes really spammy, but his postings have been really hit and miss and even though he spared a lot of thoughts to 3d, his only reaction is that an apologetic tone is not scummy. But their are other things in 3ds posts that he could talk about and he does not really draw conclusions from that. | ||
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In that case, you will have to convince me why he's a better option than Damdred at this point. | ||
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There's just too much incongruence in his D1 actions. | ||
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On September 05 2014 14:19 kushm4sta wrote: batsnacks kitaman27 Tehpoofter mderg Damdred -revised list of possible scummers On September 05 2014 23:25 kushm4sta wrote: Read through dsmdred filter on and I'm finding it pretty townie with lots of content | ||
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On September 06 2014 13:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Read the case Kita made on me. Tell me I'm not going insane because he changed his case mid interaction. I swore he did. Yeah I don't like how he's so hung up on your inactivity, he might as well have started bitching about mderg. | ||
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On September 06 2014 13:53 kitaman27 wrote: When you state that I'm so hung up on his inactivity, what are you inferring? I voted him hoping that he would be motivated to post and he never showed up so I moved on. He is probably 4th or 5th in line for the players I find the worst, so the fact that you make that bullying comment upsets me. As for answering Damdred, there is nothing to answer there. He mentions that all 5 of the individuals that I brought up at different points today as "easy targets", which is nonsense. Out of all the players in this game, I've taken the most stances, so saying I haven't is also nonsense. The only thing I'm struggling with is that there are so many people that look scummy that I haven't decided which should die first. Can't win the game by lynching all 3 in one cycle. I do admit that haven't pushed bunnies a ton, mostly due to people rubbing me the wrong way even worse and her absence from the thread when I've been around lately. I'll revisit her tomorrow, but I'm at batsnacks > damdred > bunnies currently. You have your order of events mixed up. I was on Damdred when you showed up. So how could I vote someone else when you didn't give me the reads, when I wasn't on you to begin with? You state that I have no interest in your response, yet I asked for those four reads 3 times and then you said you would deliver eventually. Why are we still going in circles? When I unvoted you prior to you showing up, I stated that I was hoping you would show up with some content and that I never intended to vote for you at the end of the cycle. Since you've returned, your use of time has been really inefficient :/ I'm inferring that your motives for starting to talk about Obi over talking to your current scumread when it posts arguments against you aren't comprehensible. I don't like the focus you displayed there. | ||
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Kush/Damdred/bunnies/kita are today's best options | ||
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On September 06 2014 14:17 kitaman27 wrote: I'm asking your opinion on the topic I feel most important. Why is everything a struggle this game? Can't we just be civil and answer questions, rather than responding with statements like that? It's a struggle cause town wants to lynch scum and scum doesn't want to get lynched. Just business, nothing personal. | ||
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batsnacks - tentatively town Oatsmaster - town Tehpoofter - town Vivax - town ObiWanShinobi - town mderg - wanna say town but this guy doesn't play the game 3d12 - tentatively town kitaman27 - tentatively scum Damdred - scum kushm4sta - scum 27ninjabunnies - tentatively scum I have no idea how many scum there are in this game, but with the missions considered it could be easily more than 3 since they are at risk of getting "modkilled" every day, and the mission aspect makes the game harder for them. So I'll opt for 4. 7 town 4 scum If we ml we're at 5 town 4 scum, that'll be the last chance to kill one of them. Right now the consensus doesn't seem very huge and that's why we need to get our shit together and decide between these guys I mentioned above. If you're one of the guys I listed among the townies please tell me who you would agree on among the scummers and who you disagree on. If you're among the scummers, well, do whatever you have to do. | ||
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D1, bats got the mission of posting that entrance post. Since he couldn't think of a reason or didn't give enough fucks about finding one, he just yoloed and posted it right away. D2, they had to vote for every different person in a cycle, same pattern. Yolosnacks. His team would obviously be aware of that and be bussing the fuck out of him all the time, painfully aware that he's super scummy, town doesn't have that awareness, which would explain why so many scummy people try to divert attention to him. But then, one of the guys among the possible scummers would be town instead of snacks, will need a bit to figure out which one. | ||
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Kush/Damdred/Bats>27nb>Kita So yeah,I would appreciate if we could get a consensus on one of the first three. | ||
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We need a lynch, think about that. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: kushm4sta Time to get a majority rollin | ||
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On September 06 2014 23:27 Damdred wrote: I do not think i'm going to vote for Kush, before his recent postings I was concerned but i'm getting a town vibe from him. I'm torn who to vote for, because you still seem scummy to me viv and 3d does as well. Looks like you forgot that you "scumread" kita recently. Better add him before more notice. | ||
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I think you're scum so I post offensively since I don't believe in the validity of your explanations anyway and see no reason to try to talk sense into you. And what rest of the thread should I interact with? You and Obi are the first to show up since the last posting gap. | ||
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If you really want to get me lynched talk to the thread and not to me. I mean the only things you have talked about not necessarily interacted with the people who are in the thread. Bullshit | ||
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Let me show you another example of incongruence. After Damdred's post where he gives the convoluted explanation for his vote on Micchan, he sees this. He calls it out. Then he fucks off. He never got an explanation from 3d for this. He didn't doubt his micchan vote for this. He only added him to the possible scummers post-lynch, but otherwise didn't seem interested into getting more out of it, which on my reread of 3d actually seems like an interesting line. | ||
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Vote post:"I vote him for his posts not for his lurking" Me: "Why so confident" Explanation from you: "I got confidence cause he stopped fighting back" This is enough to know you're scum. As for 3d, I see you rehashing that D1 post but I don't see you trying to get more out of him since then. I only see you repeating the reasons for having him as scum read. | ||
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Lurking=/=stopped fighting back. Except that you decided it was both the same the moment you voted for him. Cause you 1. Didn't mention that as a reason, 2. Still talked about him lurking in the very same post you got your "confidence". Damdead | ||
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On September 04 2014 02:42 Damdred wrote: Out of everything posted this is generally the most scummy looking thing that I see. However I do not read this as scummy at all. To me it shows reasonable doubt about his vote and where it is going. Hes struggling with the idea of lynching someone who is making excuses and not playing. I think its a really towny thing to struggle with, is it to scummy to be scum. Another terrible post. It's scummy looking but Damdred doesn't read it as scummy at all. What's even the point of bringing it up? Like, you see something scummy, it catches your attention, then you post reasons for it being towny. There's no town motivation behind posting something like this. You call out what you find scummy, you don't see something scummy, then look for reasons for why it's townie. Answer us why you found it scummy in the first place if you deliver a town explanation??? You willingly chose to interpret something in a townie way you claimed to have found scummy. | ||
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On September 07 2014 00:34 3d12 wrote: Well, good morning to you too! I haven't been ignoring the posts. I actually think poofter is pretty scummy too, but I don't have my notes with me to type up my case. I could maybe reconstruct the case from his posts, but I would need coffee first. As for right now, I'm still catching up. Might take a break to get coffee, ease the process along. If you have any opinions/answers you want, post. I'll respond to whatever relevant ones I find, but idk if you're looking for a particular repsonse over others. What a truckload of fluff. | ||
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On September 07 2014 00:35 Damdred wrote: Why don't you actually put the post in context to what was going on in the thread instead of just grabbing one out and yelling about it? Yeah, the context was that batsnacks called it out and you felt compelled to first agree with him then post why you actually think the opposite. | ||
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What was the point of defending kita against it if you felt that what he posted was scummy? You can't call one behaviour both scummy and town in the same post unless you're making up shit. A townie answer would have been to plain and simply disagree with bats, a scummy answer is to first agree with him to kiss his ass and not look like you're disagreeing but then actually posting reasons for why you don't agree. | ||
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On September 07 2014 00:51 kushm4sta wrote: I really can't read vivax right now. I kind of have no idea what he looks like as mafia. And he is giving arguments although I don't like them. Lol no | ||
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On September 07 2014 00:43 Damdred wrote: Actually no thats not the context at all, I was responding to obi and I said. This looks the most scummy out of everything bats pointed out, BUT NOOOOOOOO. Was my post at the time basically. You are misrepresenting what was happening in the thread and my post Show me to what of Obi you were responding cause I can't see it. | ||
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On September 04 2014 02:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Batsnacks, aside from the possibility that kita could have a mission to vote with the majority, what reason do you think he's scum? Are his posts inherently scummy enough to make you think that he's actually mafia or is it just the possibility of him promoting a mission? Just promoting a possible mission isn't enough. If missions weren't a thing, what else about him would be scummy? This? So you were finding reasons for batsnacks to scumread kita, found it the best reason, then immediately argued for it being actually something a townie would do? | ||
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On September 07 2014 00:54 kushm4sta wrote: i really don't. i dont think i've never played when you were mafia Wrong. Remember this? "Hey Vivax, guess what" "What" "I'm un-townreading you" | ||
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On September 07 2014 01:25 3d12 wrote: Thank you for clarifying, Haru. Well bat, looks like you were just being a trolly asshole after all. Glad we figured that out. ##Vote: kushm4sta So, about this mderg wagon... Also I don't see how you come to the conclusion that bats is in any way confirmed town through what happened just now. He can still be mafia, it's just that the hosts won't allow you to figure him out that way. | ||
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On September 07 2014 00:58 Damdred wrote: I saw obis question, I reread bats post. It was the only thing that could look scummy at that time in what he listed and I pointed it out and thought why town would struggle with it. This is also why you're scum. You were constantly on the fence with bats before, avoiding to give a more decisive opinion on him, always treading between agreeing and being indecisive when poofter questioned you. When obi talks about him, you felt compelled to reply for bats... Why would you do that? Obi wonders what reasons bats has to suspect kita. You feel like chiming in, and find the best reason bats has to display and then disagree with it. WHY? It just doesn't make any fucking sense from a town perspective. Your objective as town would be to find scum, not...Answering for bats, then disagreeing with him and townreading kita, who you recently called scummy for a bunch of other stuff. | ||
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On September 07 2014 01:32 batsnacks wrote: 3d12 should still be scum reading me even though his experiment failed. I have switched votes a lot today with or without the spam. He thinks switching votes was my mission, he voted me because he thought that was my mission and that I "cheesed" it with my spam post. Why did you say that you broke the game for the host. | ||
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On September 07 2014 01:40 batsnacks wrote: I agree with Vivax Damdred could be scum. It does make me feel uneasy about where my vote is at; none of my town reads are voting with me. Then vote for him. No one with 3d's balls at finding scum with such a plan could be scum. | ||
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On September 07 2014 01:52 Damdred wrote: Bats, why was Vivax on Kush instead of me? If he has such a scum read on me, and devoted probably a good 2 pages or more of the thread to why I am scum, why vote Kush over me first. Cause at the time most people were on him and I wanted a majority driven wagon before it's 1 h pre-lynch. Which you would know if you read the thread at the time when I voted for him. Between you and him I don't care who goes first. Scum or scum =scum. | ||
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On September 07 2014 01:55 Damdred wrote: Oh hey, its good to meet you bats! Wan't it just you who yelled at me for answering for bats? You can't compare that, I answer for bats cause it's about myself and I can explain it better than bats. You answered for bats with something that was about kita. | ||
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On September 07 2014 01:56 kushm4sta wrote: Vivax why am I certain scum? please help me understand where your head is at, because right now your tunnel is looking quite scummy to me. Your only reason is "KUSH IS NOtHING LIKE HE WAS IN THESE TWO GAMES" Cause town kush wouldn't spend time thinking and talking about why people scumread him instead of trying to figure out who the scum team is and talking about the stuff he finds interesting. Just to mention a recent reason. | ||
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You focus more on delivering stuff instead of figuring it out. And you still didn't townread me. But let's call that a reason only I will probably see as valid. | ||
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nb - I don't know how to read her, really. I think she might be scum because she has a super low signal noise ratio (a lot of shitty one liners and not a lot of content). She is really tunneled on batsnacks. Not a strong read Kush what you're saying now is in contrast to this statement, although it's kinda hard to say what you're saying there cause it leaves you room for wiggling into either town or scum. Since I assume you're scumreading her at this point, what made you change your opinion? | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:21 Damdred wrote: I'm just not sure vivax, Day one he was just so structured in everything he did. It felt so much like N&T bats only posting during certain times of the day, and the way he did everything just felt that way. It also looked and felt like storm 2 when he was mafia. Night one, he got a few people mad with his posts which is normal bat play as mafia in storm 2 which fit really well. But hes always a dick to people. Day two, hes not been as structured and has jumped around doing whatever he wants like he did in Cell. But his vote swing after seemingly town reading me doesn't fit into normal bats. I'm going to have to go scum, but i'm conflicted on him. How many scumreads do you have at the moment? | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:24 kushm4sta wrote: vivax my opinion hasn't changed at all since then. My read on her is uncertain but leaning scummy. The problem is I dont have anyone better to vote for atm. What happened to your kita read? Did you put it into the last joint? | ||
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Why conflicted about bats then? It's not like there could be 5 scum, and you don't have alternatives. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:29 Vivax wrote: What happened to your kita read? Did you put it into the last joint? Nevermind I missed the post where you explained it. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:33 Damdred wrote: See viv this is where I think you are failing at righ tnow you are trying to play word games with me and try to find some holes in what i'm saying. Instead of asking "Who are these four scum reads" you go full retard and jump at something that is not there You're actually right I won't get anywhere with questions since all I have to do is look at your filter. But I like the idea of letting people squirm under questions, it's like a bad habit. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:49 Damdred wrote: People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You threw your vote down and just said plynch and went to sleep. Yeah I don't have the need to pretend that what I'm doing is more reasonable than it really is. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:57 kitaman27 wrote: Huh? You're f5ing the thread without having your vote sitting somewhere comfy since that last line of questioning? | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:58 Damdred wrote: Yea I know, i'm frustrated cause all we've done today or this cycle either has turned this thread into a war zone. Viv has taken a lot of what i've said out of context of the thread, or misrepresented and tried to paint it in a scummy light. And it is 100% frustrating. I'm going to eat something then come back and calm down. I'm feeling malleable. No one is really posting cases. | ||
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On September 07 2014 03:01 kitaman27 wrote: I have my vote on batsnacks....do you have a problem with that? Damdred is the other guy I'd consider and I've been questioning both of them. I'm kinda nervous before deadline and want to make sure my vote sits on the right person. That's why I have been wondering why you aren't trying to take a grip of where this game is heading. | ||
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On September 07 2014 03:10 kushm4sta wrote: oats i have been super townie today everyoen changed their mind. pick again or do you have compelling evidence than i'm scum? Posts like these. What the fuck are you doing except peeking in all the time to reply to people who call you scum? | ||
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On September 07 2014 03:12 kushm4sta wrote: why? because of some feels you get from a 1 liner. Look at my filter i have a lot of content today Kush, you know I really appreciate you. WHEN YOU'RE TOWN. YOU AREN'T. | ||
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On July 01 2014 15:46 kushm4sta wrote: its the kushm4sta the assblaster the mind infiltrator the mafia regulator btw at lylo we are massclaiming and if shit looks fishy, cavo is getting lynched. he is so scummy . he's probably scum. This is world cup super town kush http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/460092-world-cup-mini-mafia?user=kushm4sta&view=all | ||
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On June 28 2014 12:04 kushm4sta wrote: ^ 2 totally wishy washy reads. 1 totally unexplained read. only came to this thread after i called him out. doesn't understand tehpoofter's read on iamrobik, when it was clearly explained as an evolving read as he was reading the thread. haru is probably scum but cav is definitely scum. if cav isn't scum i quit mafia forever. that's how sure i am. ##unvote ##vote cav This is how you manhandled Cav after he called you scum. Now you come out and squeak "whyyyy me, whyyyy me" | ||
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On September 07 2014 03:31 kushm4sta wrote: vivax why are you having second thoughts abotu damdred? Why are you asking me this instead of pointing me towards your scumreads and explaining to the thread why they are scum? | ||
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On September 06 2014 11:26 batsnacks wrote: Vivax I think is town because I mostly agree with him and I like everything he's said about me. It is a semi-selfish read but I believe I am right. Also we had a conversation at the beginning of the day that I liked. Bunnies I have only played one game with when she was scum (I think)... and it was cell mafia, so it was a completely different kind of game altogether. In that game I scum read her correctly very early on. This game I am neutral on her. This is not similar to the game I played where she was scum. errr | ||
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On September 07 2014 03:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I DON'T FUCKING KNOW WHO TO VOTE. SOMEONE MAKE THEMSELVES SHEEPABLE. You can flip a coin between kush and Damdred. That's where I'm more or less at currently, I lean more towards kush even though or cause he claims that his town play has suddenly become shitty for some reason. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:09 3d12 wrote: For what it's worth, kita is making a lot of sense and bat is still looking pretty suspect. ##unvote ##Vote: batsnacks Kita also has a good shot at being scum, and the fact that his activity only surges like that very closely to deadline is suspicious in itself. It's the best time to sway people and displays more of his intent to get HIS lynch rather than figuring shit out before it's too late. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:15 kitaman27 wrote: Are you honestly denying that I haven't been one of the most active players all cycle? Why are you choosing to discredit me, minutes before the lynch? Cause I've been wondering where you ran off after your brief line of questioning, only to come back shortly before deadline to turn the tides in something that feels like a very opportunistic way. | ||
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But in these last minutes my doubts are mostly fueled by observing my other possible scummers jump around, and they seem like they want to jump away from kush and onto bats. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote: I went to arbys and ate with my wife pulled over so I could make eod. I didntexpect mush to be up for lunch, he's town ##unvote ##vote batsnacks OH NOW YOU SUDDENLY HAVE NO DOUBTS ABOUT BATS ANYMORE | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:26 3d12 wrote: /agree I don't know what Vivax is on, you're one of the most active people so far. Do you have any read on Oats or Obi? Move your vote please. Trust me I'm a doctor. | ||
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Oatsmaster - town Vivax - town ObiWanShinobi - town 3d12 - tentatively town kitaman27 - tentatively scum Damdred - scum kushm4sta - scum 27ninjabunnies - tentatively scum If I guess the scum number right, we're at: 5 town 3 scum Maybe kush is town after all. I like a Dam 27nb kita scum team. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah, I don't think Bats got lynched. Though I'm 100% on killing Vivax since Poofter fucked up. Also, does Poofter ever not roll scum? Honestly. I don't get it? Did I push the wagon on a VT? Damdred, kush, kita, bunnies. Nothing changes. Damdred will claim a roleblock. We lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm so mad at myself for not following up on that bullshit post you made getting me to vote batsnacks, V. So mad. Wtf are you talking about? | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:42 kushm4sta wrote: fuck i hate eods they are so stressful. also apologize for scumreading me vivax Funny, but you're still scum. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:45 kushm4sta wrote: so poofter was bussing me? Ok wait a minute I need a reread. Adrenaline and such. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:52 kitaman27 wrote: I hammered Damdred at the end of the day. That's all that counts. Why do you keep taunting me? Cause u scum. And you didn't hammer shit, your vote on Damdred was way past deadline. You even posted vote batsnacks after that cop claim. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:34 Vivax wrote: Reupdated game status Oatsmaster - town Vivax - town ObiWanShinobi - town 3d12 - tentatively town kitaman27 - tentatively scum Damdred - scum kushm4sta - scum 27ninjabunnies - tentatively scum If I guess the scum number right, we're at: 5 town 3 scum Maybe kush is town after all. I like a Dam 27nb kita scum team. | ||
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On September 08 2014 16:42 kushm4sta wrote: well you could use the argument that it was a retarded claim if it was mafia, because it made it so I couldn't be lynched That's a stupidly easy argument to make as long as we don't know your alignment. You were moving towards the idea of lynching him before, now you townread him again after that claim? | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:16 Damdred wrote: Kush keeps telling me i'm wrong about 3d, well almost everyone is telling me i'm wrong about 3d. I have to rethink him and reread him in the time I have left. Bats changed his playstyle day 2, which caused me to doubt my case against him. I'm not sure if he did that because of my case on him or because hes town. The sudden vote worries me because last night he said that I was the man, which normally means hes town reading me but the sudden switch makes me conflicted. On September 07 2014 02:21 Damdred wrote: I'm just not sure vivax, Day one he was just so structured in everything he did. It felt so much like N&T bats only posting during certain times of the day, and the way he did everything just felt that way. It also looked and felt like storm 2 when he was mafia. Night one, he got a few people mad with his posts which is normal bat play as mafia in storm 2 which fit really well. But hes always a dick to people. Day two, hes not been as structured and has jumped around doing whatever he wants like he did in Cell. But his vote swing after seemingly town reading me doesn't fit into normal bats. I'm going to have to go scum, but i'm conflicted on him. On September 07 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote: I went to arbys and ate with my wife pulled over so I could make eod. I didntexpect mush to be up for lunch, he's town ##unvote ##vote batsnacks These posts show the same pattern he has shown in regards to micchan D1. He's super wishy washy about his reads and when he gets a chance to lynch a townie he suddenly becomes super confident into his read and votes it off. Time to lynch scum. | ||
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On September 08 2014 21:18 Damdred wrote: If I was so worried about only lynching a townie and was scum, why would I come back throw down a vote that would 100% get all the attention on me when I could just sit there and let it happen. I was sure kush was town so yea Cause if you left your lone vote on (I think it was) 3d after saying you would be back it would have looked even worse, you had to do something after the promise of a comeback. | ||
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On September 08 2014 22:19 kitaman27 wrote: Vivax, 90% of your effort should be geared towards identifying the other mafia player this cycle. Bunnies and Oats, your activity is extremely bad. Unless you're both mafia, if you don't pick things up, I'm going to be pretty disappointed. I can understand being busy for a 24 hour period. Maybe 48 hours, but this hour 150. Surely you aren't so busy that you are incapable of reading such a short thread? No, today I'm lynching Damdred. I'm not repeating the mistake of wanting to get every mafia at once. That guy isn't town. No way ever. He fakeclaime after a terrible comeback to the thread and deserves to die, no matter if he excuses with wanting to save kush which is a ludicrous statement to make when you can't be sure about alignments. Fakeclaim a green check to save a townread? No way ever. | ||
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Kush Damdred are the obvious scum and have to go today like they had to go yesterday before you started a wagon on a townie snacks shortly before EoD, you scumbag. | ||
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On September 08 2014 22:53 kitaman27 wrote: Though if you're willing to bounce ideas off each other....do you think poofter knew he was about to die prior to the the last minute vote jumble? Yes. Cause he said "impossible missions are impossible" and his death is proof that he didn't lie. | ||
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On September 08 2014 23:00 kushm4sta wrote: Townie consider this: Damdred is lynch bait. he was up for lynch vs two townies. Why would he clear one of them to make his odds worse. Damdred is not fancy play type scum This is the most one sided argument ever. He needs to claim a check for his claim to be credible in any way, that he wanted to save you is just a lie to justify that he chose to check you green. It's a huge pile of steaming You're using the most wifomy arguments ever when I have presented multiple scummy behaviours from his handling of micchan, to some other stuff I can't remember from D2 (Hint:It's in my filter), to his recent vote on bats he claimed to be unsure about without trying to push own scumreads as an alternate wagon. | ||
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He jumps in with some rl excuse then throws around a theory that doesn't tell us at all who is scum, just "hey look I thought of this shit can someone look this up or anything cause I won't." His vote on Damdred proves he's not reading the thread closely, he only read EoD and then basically stopped there. | ||
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On September 03 2014 06:48 Tehpoofter wrote: I do think that he is apologetic in nature on his posts. His entrance landed him in the scummy side for me because of the way it agreed with someone who already posted about something I thought was scummy. If hes scum its to try to scoot out of a lynch. He could be town trying to figure things out. He stays as scum for now to me thought. What about you? Seems like a post to stay on the safe side with 3d (if he's scum), but leaving an option open to not lynch him. | ||
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On September 09 2014 02:58 Damdred wrote: I'm interested in kits vote analysis, I have a tinfoil idea about poof but not sure. Anyway i'm not sure viv, poof always talked about wanting to pressure 3d or he did some. But he never seemed to actually pressure him. And why do you bring this up if it isn't conclusive for you? | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:19 Tehpoofter wrote: I agree on bigger fish to fry. I don't think hes not worth running up to see how he and others react to the pressure. In my reread I felt he was using that apologetic tone. I think he might kill Templar as well who thought he was townie to gain some credibility. (Or also would not have realized he wasn't being universally town read as well) I want to hear back on kush but for now I think the newbie needs to grow up. ##Vote 3d12 Trading thoughts on this post for townie points. If they align with mine. | ||
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On September 09 2014 03:34 kitaman27 wrote: And while we're at it, why did you call gg without knowing what batsnacks would flip? I felt it was gg after seeing Damdred's claim and him not getting lynched, plus mderg getting modkilled. That was the moment I felt most sure about batsnacks flipping green. All my scumreads getting away and you pushing his wagon shortly before EoD... | ||
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kushm4sta (3): Oatsmaster, Tehpoofter, batsnacks, Oatsmaster, 3d12, Vivax, 3d12, Vivax, Tehpoofter, ObiWanShinobi Damdred (3): Vivax, ObiWanShinobi, kitaman27, batsnacks, Vivax, kushm4sta, batsnacks, kushm4sta, Vivax batsnacks (4): 3d12, 27ninjabunnies, kushm4sta, kitaman27, 3d12, kushm4sta, Damdred On September 07 2014 04:29 kushm4sta wrote: ##unvote ##vote batsncaks self preservatoin This is when you voted for your townread. | ||
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On September 09 2014 04:46 kushm4sta wrote: I have no idea what your taking about lol. I did change my mind a lot d1. You are scum reading me for changing my mindwithout telling you about it perhaps You changed your mind from scum to town on Damdred while three townies changed it from something to scum? | ||
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On September 09 2014 04:49 Damdred wrote: Actually curious Viv, i'm not going to bother fighting with you. But why all of this time have you been shouting that i'm scum but voting kush (majority of last day), now you vote me but spend all of your time screaming kush is scum? I just don't understand What does it matter when I've been scumreading both of you? | ||
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On September 09 2014 04:49 kushm4sta wrote: Vivax you needa reality check. Remember how easy it is to be wrong in this game You still focus on defending yourself against my accusations and not solving the game. I don't need a reality check, you aren't doing jack to move anything forward, you don't post analysis, you only spit out some unexplained reads when you feel like and explain it with you changing your mind for unknown reasons. | ||
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On September 09 2014 04:54 Damdred wrote: It just doesn't make logical sense, you haven't even put a real case against kush out there just some form of flawed meta with no in thread evidence and using some weird form of association scum read based on thinking i'm scum. Also Kush moved his votes from bats to me also during EoD. I also think most of the posts you have pointed towards just fit a narrative that you are building to make me look scummy so yea, I think it's a pretty weak play right now. But I would give you the chance to respond and us drop it so we don't crap up the thread with it. You lied about being a cop at EoD. Among good players that's everything required to lynch you. I can't recall the last time a townie did something like that to save his ass. A townie posts his reads and dies, and doesn't risk outing the real cop to save himself and his townread, that's bullshit and would be against his wincon. As for kush: When he was afraid of dying he didn't push his scumread, he voted off his townread.. He says he thought he had the majority and didn't know the votes. Then why did he think that bats was the lynch with the best chances? It's just another lie... | ||
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I can't lynch people alone so we need to figure out who's better between Dam and kush, or even nb who I'm not sure on, and that in terms of scum likelihood and lynchability. Yesterday the lynchability aspect fucked up the whole wagons, cause we had a majority on kush, then Damdred went super scummy, then the townie wagon got momentum instead. So yeah, need a consensus on one of these two and not a stumbling towards one of them. | ||
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On September 09 2014 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Wtf are the night kills? Templar and obi?? Clearly kita or Vivax are scum. Or maybe it's and. NB. KUSH. DAMDRED 3D Ok we kill damdred first ttoday and see what happens. At least 1 scum in each group. Why did you include kush here if you townread him then. | ||
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On September 10 2014 02:56 Damdred wrote: Sure 3d lurked for most of the end day it seemed, and even though he had a lot of scum to pick from he decided to hop on the hot lynch at the moment. So that whole sentence to me is a slip I'm tempted to vote 3d | ||
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On September 05 2014 06:16 3d12 wrote: Heya Poofter. I was here, but I'm almost done with work. I'd suggest Templar's filter, if you're looking for a place to start. There's a few interesting tidbits in there that might be worth further investigation. Also, what happened to that reads list you were going to post last night? You seemed fairly confident last time you posted one, so just because you wagoned a mislynch that means all your reads are off? Also he doesn't seem to give any fucks about the outcome of the game, just setup speculating a lot of the time and never really trying to bite at his suspects. | ||
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On September 11 2014 03:50 ritoky wrote: would scum kita write a gigantic 3000 word post like that? honest question cuz i have never played with him. but my gut tells me that is either the most tryhard mafia thing ever or he isn't scum....then again it was just a detailing of all possibilities with limited conclusions. I thought the same initially, but it could have been mission related, regardless of his alignment. Overall I still think that he has to prove his role with a shot, and if I had to guess he would shoot at you currently, while I would favour a shot on kush. | ||
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Town kush posts his thoughts on the guys he reads, he doesn't simply spit out a few reads with little reasoning and display this low level of activity and interest. It's a subjective read I won't back up more cause I would have to dig through a couple of games and quote stuff and I cba to do that but I can assure you I know him well enough for such a read, after having played a crapton of games with him. | ||
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On September 11 2014 03:54 kitaman27 wrote: Or maybe I actually want to know what 3d thinks/what 3d wants me to think? I'm rereading damdred right now, I'll post thoughts at deadline, but probably not before then. Damdred tried to direct attention to 3d a bit too strongly for my taste, my current guess is that he wasn't bussing. | ||
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On September 11 2014 03:54 ritoky wrote: why would he shoot at me, aren't i like confirmed town? damdred voted on the former me; do you think mafia would be stupid enough to leave such an easy trail to follow? How is it an easy trail if he votes for you? That statement makes zero sense. He votes for 27nb and since it's an easy trail when you're scum, you're town? | ||
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On September 11 2014 04:02 ritoky wrote: so you're saying that you think he voted on his partner when he knew he was going down to give some cred/space? yeah, no. 1) i am VT, 2) that tactic is far too obvious at this level of play and this late in the game. I'm not conclusive on my read of you yet, but what you mentioned is not a reason to townread you. Just try to get through the game in your time and spit out some reads and reasoning, that will be more useful. | ||
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On September 11 2014 05:22 ritoky wrote: well that's good to hear that you won't be irresponsibly shooting and potentially losing us the game. You should be reading the game not the front page >=( | ||
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You put in a tremendous effort into your posts if that's the case though, so congratulations for whichever it might be. | ||
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On September 12 2014 05:55 ritoky wrote: 5 left, closed setup. so it is likely that there is 1 mafia left, but there is a possibility that there is two. i would like everyone to answer, if there exists a team of 2 mafia left in the game who it is and why. 1 is kush. If there's another we'll figure it out. ##Vote kushm4sta | ||
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On September 12 2014 07:17 ritoky wrote: why are you refusing to consider a world of 2 mafia? you mafia trying to get a final ML? Did you even read the thread? I proposed that idea D2. | ||
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Usually you would be posting your thoughts to the solution of the game instead I only keep hearing constantly how you complain about people scumreading you and how bad your reads were. You're not putting effort into that. Doesn't matter if your read was bad, what matters is that you chose to post something like that over your thoughts that could lead us to scum. | ||
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On September 12 2014 08:18 ritoky wrote: i plan to give them, but i would prefer that everyone give their potential teams of 2 mafia and why first. I need to do another reread with the fresh flips in mind, but if you read closely you could figure out that for the moment Oats and 3d are my townreads, making your slot and kush the remaining scum. I don't understand why you want people to post their reads before you. Usually you would come out with them on your own, eager to present your ideas, if you even have any. Right now it looks like you ask for other people's reads to calibrate the ones you gonna post. | ||
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On September 12 2014 08:41 ritoky wrote: i feel you all have been entrenched in the game and have biases and tunnels built up, and when i post my reads they will be a fresh perspective not polluted by such things. also you're doing a lot of saying things without giving reasoning. you should try the reasons part too. What do you think am I doing without given reason? I will probably be able to answer to that by pointing out where in my filter you had to look, but give me a first impression. | ||
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On September 12 2014 10:46 GlowingBear wrote: Nope, I think it's a weird question. If you're town, you have to lynch mafia, it doesn't matter if it's day one, LYLO or MYLO. Also, nobody knows if we can have a mislynch as we don't know how many mafia are left. All we have are speculations regarding this matter. Only mafia would be worried about how many mislynches are left. Town needs to lynch mafia under any circumstances. Are you SERIOUS? Been a while since I read such a thing. On September 12 2014 10:58 ritoky wrote: you're calling people town and mafia without reasons specified even though i specifically asked for reasons. And I asked you for an example from my filter cause I would point you to where I wrote about the reasons, right now you're just making blanket statements. | ||
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If you're town and even more if you're a town replacement (who probably doesn't have a good picture of the game) then you have to reread D2 and answer me that. It's alarming that Oats doesn't consider that since he's been in the game all the time. | ||
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On September 12 2014 21:26 kushm4sta wrote: I mean I can see where gb is coming from. . Who are people thinking of lynching right now? NB slot is not a good lynch. Replacement means her lack of inactivity is not due to scumminess , and therefore she is less likely to be scum. No, smurf mini had two scum replacements who won the game after their predecessors were very inactive. And what GB said is a bad argument for somebody being scum. It's also a town concern how many mislynches they have left. | ||
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ANd cause you were a dick kush. | ||
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On September 13 2014 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont remember that. But its k, i dont want to lynch you today anyway. Like you are know for bussing people for cred. You even shot a dude for cred. why not this? I don't have to prove why it wasn't a bus as long as no one proves why I'm supposed to be scum. I'm the most active dude in the game, and I posted a fuckload on arguments on why a flipped roleblocker was scum, any town calling me scum is mentally challenged. | ||
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It's NOT scummy to speculate on the amount of mislynches in a closed setup. It might be futile to talk long about, but it's a question a townie can ask himself. | ||
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I'll mention one point I already mentioned previously, as a little favour: Read D2 EoD, he scumread Damdred, then voted batsnacks after Damdred came back to thread in a scummy way (after his dinner), calling it a vote for self-preservation. He didn't attempt to move people to Damdred, only sat back and put his vote on the townie when he was about to get lynched. | ||
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On September 13 2014 04:30 ritoky wrote: i read your filter, i read the thread. so here's my question to you: why did you waffle so hard on damdred during the last day phase? at the beginning of the phase you made a post where you adamantly wanted to lynch damdred since he was a liar and anti-town. yet the moment that the opportunity arose to move off that wagon onto someone else you did. why were your convictions so weak about confirmed mafia? also, i think oats is pretty town from his unflinching stance on damdred. I started questioning my reads cause of the NK, like kita, and was annoyed at the inactivity during the day. 3d and bunnies posted almost nothing, and I voted them at the end of the day on a whim cause I didn't feel as confident any more, I think I expressed that sufficiently during the day, so go read again. | ||
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On September 13 2014 05:25 ritoky wrote: i read it, but my issue is you didn't take the initiative on the matter imo; you followed others onto that. like you were very willing to come off of damdred. contrary to your stated position. Of course, I just told you about everything that changed that position. And you can't speak of missing initiative when I got the ball rolling onto Damdred during D2. | ||
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I realize a replacement might simply be sloppy and not up to date with the game, but when a guy feels like annoying the most townie looking guy with pointless questions then it might just be he's pretending to be scumhunting. | ||
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On September 14 2014 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Why do you think scumkush decides to push his scumread scumread? Can you go into detail. He didn't push his scumread Dam D2 he voted bats for self preservation, that's my best argument. | ||
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On September 14 2014 01:07 kushm4sta wrote: So basically, omgus. he is suspicious of me, and I'm beyond suspicion, so that makes me suspicious of him Vivax you are not beyond suspicion. Yes, I openly OMGUS him, cause there's a reason I've hardly ever been up for lynch and it's cause the guys who got NKd read me correctly as town. One guy's perception that deviates from theirs like that could point to scum, cause they don't want me to appear townie. | ||
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27nb and subsequently her replacement too, cause he tried to find inconsistencies in my Damdred read when he could have found even bigger ones in kushs. | ||
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Lynch kush + ritoky, ggnore. | ||
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On September 14 2014 01:54 Oatsmaster wrote: he thinks im town now man, get with the game. I'm talking to him cause if Idecide that you're scum then I'm not lynching him and I'm not sure I want that. Not cause of his read on you. | ||
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Damdred wasn't willing to vote kush, he was willing to vote bats, both were willing to vote bats, but kush previously scumread Damdred and didn't vote him but batsnacks instead. It's kush. | ||
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He sat back, watched the game unfold and voted bats when he was about to get lynched. | ||
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EITHER HE DIDNT SEE IT OR HE DIDNT SEE IT AS SCUMMY AS OPPOSED TO THE REST OF TOWN, THATS CAUSE HES SCUM. | ||
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After the damage was done, why trying to pull it off and raise more suspicions on him? Moreover, why trying to fake a vote that wouldn't count anyway? For you it did the opposite of raising suspicion, yet now you put it as something that should have. 1) If his partner is being scumread, why would he put effort into creating more suspicions on him and not bussing at the end? Cause before Damdred came back in such a scummy way bats was the vote leader. | ||
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"Oh shit a lot of people moved to Damdred, I should too" And afterwards he townreads him. | ||
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You don't need more, give your vote to kush and step back from the keyboard, sir. | ||
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On September 14 2014 02:51 GlowingBear wrote: Bolded: who are you talking about? That "I should move too" is not a mafia mindset, come on. He could've defended damdred and pushed other guy. No, cause of previous commitments, he couldn't simply 180°, and I'm talking about kush. | ||
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On September 14 2014 02:52 kushm4sta wrote: hmm i really have no idea who to vote for honestly. ##unvote ##vote ritoky he looks the scimmiest? You tell me, you were pushing bunnies yesterday, who got replaced by him, and now you act cluelessly. | ||
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So I can either vote GB, or I can vote Oats. How do you like that GB. | ||
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On September 14 2014 03:10 GlowingBear wrote: You'll have to decide by yourself. I know I'm town and I've been pushing on my strongest scumread since I got to the thread. I'm pretty sure oats is mafia, his play fits mafia mindset perfectly, specially after I read day2. You can see that he does not care for the lynch. He just got off because the only one who is pushing him is the guy getting lynched. He is still comfortable with the mislynches. I'm not taking how many mafias are left, because I think we cannot afford any mislynches anyway. We have to find mafia and lynch mafia. I found oats, I'm lynching oats. Oats pointed out how Damdred overjustified his vote D1, and this is what Poofter wrote about it: Damdred - Oats made a really good point about Damdred's vote early on Micchan being completely over justified. He also has been someone who hasn't stuck out to me in any way. Him hoping on late looking abck on the votes looks really bad. Damdred can you tell me what your feelings are on 3d12/bunnies? I don't think it was necessary for him to bus so early. | ||
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On September 07 2014 04:23 Tehpoofter wrote: Batsnacks wagon: Bunnies (scummy inactive) kitaman (townie) 3d12 (townie) kush (scummy) Kush wagon Me (Town) Vivax (My top town) Oats master (Townie) I'm so much more confident in kush being mafia than batsnacks. The people questioning and pushing on kush for the most part have been townie he is all over the place. Batsnacks I think is townie in my eyes. The other wagon should be damdred not batsnacks imo he is way more likely to be red than batsnacks imo. Poofter was in super bus mode right here. | ||
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NOW IM ANGRY. Y U NO VOTE KUSH | ||
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On September 14 2014 03:27 kushm4sta wrote: but vivax, why would i leave oats to vote ritoky if i was scum? don't my actions indicate a desire to seek the truth? What kind of argument is this?TMI on Oats? | ||
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why would i leave oats to vote ritoky if i was scum? This is not what you say when you aren't sure about either. | ||
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But GB is still a massive nap, it's more likely kush, and if there's another scum, kush + ritoky. | ||
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On September 14 2014 03:38 kushm4sta wrote: vivax i dont even get how you can critisize me for not knowing when you have no idea either lol;... seems like between oats/ritoky/me you have no idea. I HAVE THE IDEA: YOU. BUT I CANT LYNCH YOU IF TWO PEOPLE REFUSE TO VOTE YOU, SO IM FORCED TO THINK OF ALTERNATIVES: | ||
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On September 14 2014 03:44 kushm4sta wrote: well hopefully oats will flip scum cause i just want the pain to be over x.x See? This attitude is why you're scum. You should have fun trying to solve the game if you were town, but you treat it like a burden, that's cause you're mafia. | ||
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But you will probably win this day cause of jubjubs among the townies. | ||
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Oats actually put an effective vote on damdred, PRE-DEADLINE, so I don't think he's scum. | ||
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From this it's obvious I'm going to vote GB if I can't get kush. | ||
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Will consolidate on Oats if I can't get kush, but the blame is on GB if it loses us the game. ##Unvote ##Vote Oats | ||
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On September 14 2014 04:22 kushm4sta wrote: vivax we can switch to ritoky Pointless without Oats and GB's support. | ||
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On September 14 2014 04:23 GlowingBear wrote: Nope. I don't see anyone being scummier than oats. He is my top scum read with all the nafis traits, and I'm not changing my vote. He is mafia. I seriously hope you're town, I seriously hope Oats is scum, cause if he isn't and you're town I'm going to be very mad at you for replacing into a game and pretending to know it all. | ||
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Or you're mafia. | ||
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Gave you plenty of chances to reconsider your kush townread. You didn't take one of them. | ||
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You're either very bad or you're mafia. | ||
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On September 14 2014 04:56 GlowingBear wrote: You could've lynched kush with ritoky's vote, btw, Vivax. Why didn't you? No, it would have been a tie and since you voted first in plurality it would have still been an Oats lynch. So I consolidated cause you forced me to, damn you. | ||
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I'll give another look at the game, but it's probably still kush. | ||
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I like being at lylos, I won the last one. So the guy who scumread kush died, one guy who thinks he's scum is alive, and one guy who townreads you is left alive. I'll dive 3d, kush and the NKs another time before deciding. | ||
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Time to find out who is the idiot and who the scum. | ||
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The guy who is town like 99 % of the time unless he spams fluff constantly. Plus me who is one of the most lazy scum on TL. Can the idiot of the two please step forward and tell me why I NKd two of the guys who had me as town, since the last NK is all the sample you're using for your awful analysis? Why I was the first to call out Damdred as scum and posted the most arguments for it? | ||
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They look very mafia to me now that I'm looking at them after having a little break. Read them carefully and you will see that the reasons he uses for his reads are nonsense in a lot of cases. And the latest post is from the day Poofter died to a failed mission. To give you an introduction: Read his Poofter read in his first post, and the later post. I'll explain it to you like you're 5, paraphrasing. "Poofter is alright, he has low-content, but cause of *some reason about missions we aren't supposed to know anything about* that's not scummy, only if we revisit the idea." It's super obvious he has no intention of revisiting the idea, and the reason just looks like some reason he made up on the go. He explains that he reads him as town, then mentions a reason for why he could be scum, but he doesn't want to think of that unless "we" revisit the idea about unknown missions in a closed setup. In the later post: Mafia-likely (Pink) TehPoofter (High voting pressure, starting a bandwagon/plynch, very large filter, calls people out on buddying while blatantly attempting to buddy, redeemed so far by good questioning of Templar's motives) 1. Wtf is high voting pressure? 2. How is it scummy? 3. He subtly complained about his low content earlier, now his filter is too large. 4. Buddying is the shittiest reason ever 5. But it's ok he questioned Templar and the rest doesn't really matter. 3d put Poofter into a slot where he would never push for his lynch, but also got a chance to "call him scum" (which he really didn't) in the eventuality of his later flip, and you can judge the reasons by yourself. On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote: You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes? As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think. Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum. Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post.  Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol)Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg? On September 04 2014 03:53 3d12 wrote: Hey everyone, sorry for going MIA yesterday. I got dragged into a bit of a mess IRL that ended up sucking up my night. I lurked the thread on my phone when I could get service, and took down some notes: With my personal notes out of the way, let's move on to direct responses: Up until this post in the thread, bunnies' biggest contribution to the thread was to town claim for the person she's been buddying/bantering with throughout the whole thread. Suspicious? Yes. Lynchable? Not by itself. I also particularly disliked the way bunnies was gathering information, going from defensive short-posts to prodding people for their reads and then replying to each one-by-one. Generally, townies are more willing to share their reads, instead of needing to base their perspective on other people's reads. Today's bunnies is a bit different from yesterday's bunnies, in that she's laid out a list of her reads. No information or explanation, but at least she's sharing. I do like that. The read is silly because it was based entirely on meta. A person's meta can change from game to game. This read came from nothing tangible. For example, it would be impossible for me to have the same read on poof because I've never played with him. Since you and I have been exposed to the same information this game, you are using information I have not been exposed to to make a claim on someone else. That is absolutely 100% fishy, would you agree? As for my reads on poofter, see point 3 from my "last night's notes" above, and my list of reads below. Anyone else thinking that mderg is trying hard to get some focus on me? I wasn't the only one to nullread/townread bat yesterday. And yes, traditionally from my live mafia experience, provocative openings are usually townies. It's probably an 80/20 split. I never confirmed him green, but I pointed out that bat looked town from the way he opened. If you have a better reason to scumread him instead, why not post your reasoning? This was all the reasoning I could find in your filter, and it's pretty weak. So, how about it, mderg? Batsnacks: scum or town? List of reads: Mafia ObiWanShinobi (Very non-committal so far, easily switched vote from "troll vote" to batsnacks once it seemed like bat was being scumread. Hesitant to share information. Off-topic posts. Only real redeeming quality so far is calling out kush, very pro-town move.) mderg (Repeatedly pushing the "ignore the missions" idea, provoking reactions from players while not disclosing any information himself, heavy lurking, generally defensive) kushm4sta (Tunnel-vision on batsnacks, trying to start a plynch, low activity otherwise) Micchan (Inactivity, defensive, no thoughts shared, no case built, suspicious bandwagoning) Mafia-likely (Pink) TehPoofter (High voting pressure, starting a bandwagon/plynch, very large filter, calls people out on buddying while blatantly attempting to buddy, redeemed so far by good questioning of Templar's motives) Oatsmaster (Avoiding all talk about missions, redirecting scum claims towards bat and Obi, not posting thoughts openly) Neutral (White) The_Templar (Good expression and information-sharing, challenges unnatural ideas/thoughts, sensibly pieces together a motive. Neutral because of weak (meta/defensive) defense about his role) Vivax (Strange read on poofter, but otherwise constructs very sensible and well-put-together posts pointing out discrepancies. Without the pink vibe from his accusations toward kita and templar, would likely be very town atm.) Damdred (No real read yet, seems to be gathering information. Is asking the right questions, but not sharing information openly) 27ninjabunnies (Good info balanced out by suspicious buddying/claiming) Town batsnacks (I wasn't sure at first, but after your expose on kita, I know you're looking in the right places. Your investigation is solid and you're providing direct responses to your challenges. I highly doubt kita is scum, but I like the way you think.) kitaman27 (The main source of information so far imo, this guy is posting very good reads and keeping good notes. Only scummy behavior so far is what was pointed out by Vivax, but without further proof I'm willing to let it slide as a poor choice of words) All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that. ##Vote: Micchan | ||
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On September 17 2014 11:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Vivax why did you lynch me. I would rather be wrong and win than be right and lose but man, glowing bear's arguments were so shit. I needed to get a majority of at least three people to prevent a possible second scum from last minute switching, and since GB refused to vote kush who was my top suspect, I had to make a compromise and hope for the best in you. It's simply hard when people aren't around at deadlines cause I had basically the choice of trying to lynch GB, but I didn't scumread him initially cause he played quite well, and decided to put some trust into him and get the 3 vote majority on you who I found not easy to read at the time. Should have reread 3d more closely but as with all scum that blurt out those walls of text his ones discouraged me from reading more closely. | ||
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