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On September 11 2014 02:10 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 01:58 3d12 wrote:On September 11 2014 01:09 kitaman27 wrote:
3d, should I be giving Vivax a hard time for how day three ended or did he have good intentions? You absolutely should. Anyone who uses "double swag" unironically deserves a hard time in my book. No but for reals, what are you referring to? His grudge against the afk? The fact that he wanted to lynch you instead of damdred, but he didn't have the votes. Is that scummy, a momentary lapse of judgement, or was he right? (Well I'm guessing you're not going to pick #3) 
Good guess! :D
I dunno, I'm up in the air about Vivax now; which is weird because I just posted the other day about how I want to align more closely with him, since his reads were pretty accurate all game so far. Checking his filter, I see he did have reasons for switching his vote. The reasoning seems pretty weak/fishy though:
On September 10 2014 03:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2014 02:56 Damdred wrote:On September 10 2014 02:08 Vivax wrote:Damdred can you explain to me how this line from 3d makes you think he's scum?
All in all, I don't like the idea of a plynch. However, I less like the idea of scum lurking the thread and hopping on whatever bandwagon is hot at the time. Let's change that.
Sure 3d lurked for most of the end day it seemed, and even though he had a lot of scum to pick from he decided to hop on the hot lynch at the moment. So that whole sentence to me is a slip I'm tempted to vote 3d
On September 10 2014 03:48 Vivax wrote:
His scumread on Poofter from D1 basically vanished, and so does he after short posting bursts. He leaves a lot of stuff adressed at him unanswered and I didn't like that. Plus it would be weird for me to be still alive after scumreading kush and Dam, if they were scum.
##Vote 3d12
I mean, for the entirety of D3 he was pushing for a Damdred/kush scum team, and then suddenly I'm in the limelight after a shitty two-line inference from a (now confirmed, previously suspected) scummer and a day-old NK? If anything, that part seems more like he's trying to sneak a doomed scum-buddy into D4 but then goes back to bussing him when he realizes there's too many afk players to make a vote swing. What do you make of it?
Also, I think Vivax's reads are actually good. I re-read some of his filter last night, and I was confused on some of his D1 reads (namely, Templar being scum and the afk-vote on Micchan) but over D2 and D3 he's gotten more focused. The only fishy thing I've noticed about his voting is that Vivax has so far put a ton of weight on personal meta. It really makes me uncomfortable, although seeing Obi flip town after Vivax's flimsy-as-fuck meta defense of his play did reassure me a little. Do you think I'm overthinking it?
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If anything, that part seems more like he's trying to sneak a doomed scum-buddy into D4 but then goes back to bussing him when he realizes there's too many afk players to make a vote swing. What do you make of it?
Are you fucking joking right now? If it even got to Damdred fakeclaiming it was cause of all the evidence I brought up D2, I can't recall anyone putting as much pressure on him as I did, everyone was like "meh" when I brought up all the fucking evidence. Go reread that day and imply again that I was bussing please.
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The best (read worst) thing is that you're probably town now that we know dams alignment for certain.
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Kita rubs me super the wrong way after subtly leading you to question my alignment with those questions.
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the first post isn't updated, can i get a list of the people who are still alive; would really help as i am reading through this.
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On September 11 2014 03:45 Vivax wrote:
Kita rubs me super the wrong way after subtly leading you to question my alignment with those questions.
would scum kita write a gigantic 3000 word post like that? honest question cuz i have never played with him. but my gut tells me that is either the most tryhard mafia thing ever or he isn't scum....then again it was just a detailing of all possibilities with limited conclusions.
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kitaman27
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On September 11 2014 03:49 ritoky wrote:
the first post isn't updated, can i get a list of the people who are still alive; would really help as i am reading through this.
kitaman27
Oatsmaster
Vivax
kushm4sta
ritoky
3d12
Micchan town doctor lynched d1
The_Templar town killed n1
batsnacks lynched (but not really), lynched d2
poofter mission mafia killed d2
mderg town modkilled d2
obi town killed n2
damdred roleblocker lynched d3
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On September 11 2014 03:50 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 03:45 Vivax wrote:
Kita rubs me super the wrong way after subtly leading you to question my alignment with those questions. would scum kita write a gigantic 3000 word post like that? honest question cuz i have never played with him. but my gut tells me that is either the most tryhard mafia thing ever or he isn't scum....then again it was just a detailing of all possibilities with limited conclusions.
I thought the same initially, but it could have been mission related, regardless of his alignment.
Overall I still think that he has to prove his role with a shot, and if I had to guess he would shoot at you currently, while I would favour a shot on kush.
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kitaman27
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On September 11 2014 03:45 Vivax wrote:
Kita rubs me super the wrong way after subtly leading you to question my alignment with those questions.
Or maybe I actually want to know what 3d thinks/what 3d wants me to think?
I'm rereading damdred right now, I'll post thoughts at deadline, but probably not before then.
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why would he shoot at me, aren't i like confirmed town?
damdred voted on the former me; do you think mafia would be stupid enough to leave such an easy trail to follow?
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I don't know how people still don't realize how disinterested/apathetic kush is this game, while he was very keen on defending himself.
Town kush posts his thoughts on the guys he reads, he doesn't simply spit out a few reads with little reasoning and display this low level of activity and interest.
It's a subjective read I won't back up more cause I would have to dig through a couple of games and quote stuff and I cba to do that but I can assure you I know him well enough for such a read, after having played a crapton of games with him.
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On September 11 2014 03:54 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 03:45 Vivax wrote:
Kita rubs me super the wrong way after subtly leading you to question my alignment with those questions. Or maybe I actually want to know what 3d thinks/what 3d wants me to think? I'm rereading damdred right now, I'll post thoughts at deadline, but probably not before then.
Damdred tried to direct attention to 3d a bit too strongly for my taste, my current guess is that he wasn't bussing.
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kitaman27
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On September 11 2014 03:54 ritoky wrote:
why would he shoot at me, aren't i like confirmed town?
damdred voted on the former me; do you think mafia would be stupid enough to leave such an easy trail to follow?
Are you sure you read this game?
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also, if someone does have a killing role, it would be better to NOT SHOOT at 6, because if you miss, you put us in lylo/sleep -> final 3 (assuming 1 remaining, and lose the game if 2); versus if you elect not to shoot its 5, and if there is 1 remaining then we have a mislynch available.
so if he does the smart play you're not going to get your proof.
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On September 11 2014 03:54 ritoky wrote:
why would he shoot at me, aren't i like confirmed town?
damdred voted on the former me; do you think mafia would be stupid enough to leave such an easy trail to follow?
How is it an easy trail if he votes for you? That statement makes zero sense.
He votes for 27nb and since it's an easy trail when you're scum, you're town?
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On September 11 2014 03:56 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 03:54 ritoky wrote:
why would he shoot at me, aren't i like confirmed town?
damdred voted on the former me; do you think mafia would be stupid enough to leave such an easy trail to follow? Are you sure you read this game?
i only looked at the vote history and am on page 60, so no i haven't read the game yet. getting there.
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On September 11 2014 03:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 03:54 ritoky wrote:
why would he shoot at me, aren't i like confirmed town?
damdred voted on the former me; do you think mafia would be stupid enough to leave such an easy trail to follow? How is it an easy trail if he votes for you? That statement makes zero sense. He votes for 27nb and since it's an easy trail when you're scum, you're town?
so you're saying that you think he voted on his partner when he knew he was going down to give some cred/space?
yeah, no. 1) i am VT, 2) that tactic is far too obvious at this level of play and this late in the game.
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On September 11 2014 04:02 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2014 03:58 Vivax wrote:On September 11 2014 03:54 ritoky wrote:
why would he shoot at me, aren't i like confirmed town?
damdred voted on the former me; do you think mafia would be stupid enough to leave such an easy trail to follow? How is it an easy trail if he votes for you? That statement makes zero sense. He votes for 27nb and since it's an easy trail when you're scum, you're town? so you're saying that you think he voted on his partner when he knew he was going down to give some cred/space? yeah, no. 1) i am VT, 2) that tactic is far too obvious at this level of play and this late in the game.
I'm not conclusive on my read of you yet, but what you mentioned is not a reason to townread you.
Just try to get through the game in your time and spit out some reads and reasoning, that will be more useful.
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kitaman27
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In case it wasn't pretty obvious already, I'm not a vigilante. I was mostly curious to see if any of the afk townies would suddenly show up and how damdred would react if he had to worry about a lynch and a shot. I didn't know this at the time, but with him being the roleblocker, it would have been even more important to him that he survives, potentially over another buddy that is in a better light. I don't think I got a ton of information here though.
I'm still fairly town on Vivax. A lot of his interactions with Damdred seem as if damdred is talking to him, rather than with him. If we're at some type of 2v1 scenario and we're both alive, I'd reread him from start to finish, but I doubt I would tomorrow.
I want to believe 3d is town. I'd probably base it on posts he has made earlier in the game. I don't put a ton of stock into the fact that damdred went after him as a dead man walking.
I need to re-evaluate kush since I've spent most of my time last cycle looking at poofter and damdred.
One of the reasons I was supicious of damdred is that he pointed out the fact that bunnies gave a strong meta read on poofter for weak reasons early on in the game. My gut reaction was that he couldn't resist calling out the bad read, rather than trying to paint his buddy in a bad light if poofer ever flipped, but I still need to look into this further if I live.
I wouldn't be shocked if oats were mafia.
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