On September 02 2014 08:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Templar, all of your scumreads are incredibly superficial. Just throwing that out there.
That's because the entire game is superficial so far.
I read your giant post. Do you really feel with the game being so superficial atm that you can give that many reads confidently? I personally have 1 read on ninjabunnies whom I'm voting and I think her response was scummy but honestly its so early I have about 20% confidence in it actually being correct.
So my question is why would you out so many reads early in a game you see as being superficial yourself?
On September 02 2014 07:42 Damdred wrote: Hi guys, just got home a few ago and caught up.
I really like the idea of trying to break the mafias mission as we go towards the EoD. Though I do not think that we need to drive ourselves crazy trying to figure out exactly what the mission is. We need to develop our reads and reasoning behind having the people up for lynch and every night cycle or day cycle look into how people are voting and see if there are any trends that people take together.
Also just curious when you say cut the day short by an hour and just move all votes to the person who has the majority, doesn't that make our options kind of small and cause a tunnel on that person. If we go that way there really isn't much in the way of vote analysis to go with its just everyone pushed their votes on that one person and we can't see voting patterns for that time period when its important I guess is what i'm saying. That part worries me a bit.
The point is that mission wise some sort of voting mission might be something mafia has to accomplish so if we all organize as a town to vote earlier a mafia voting afterwards for whatever mission they might have would stick out like a sore thumb. This takes the rules of the game normally and stuffs it up so that the mafia has to be even more adaptive than normal making them more obvious.
I think talking about possible missions and what they could be is going to be very useful in this game as obviously the mod would give mafia missions that are not easy to complete or not something mafia would generally do imo. So that being the case you're right in the sense that we shouldn't focus too much on possible missions but if we have that thought in our minds things mafia might do to complete a mission would appear super awkward.
On September 02 2014 05:12 mderg wrote: IMO proper reads > catching people on missions
True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system.
For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission.
Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something.
Yeah this could be a good idea. Potentially although activity at the 2 hours ish before is paramount! So we would all need to figure out if we can be here for this.
I'm going to stick away from saying any buzz words. I think maybe we could do something like referring to each other as "Villagers" and "wolves" instead of "Town and mafia" might potentially break a mission where maybe they have to be called town by a certain number of people or something.
On September 02 2014 08:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Templar, all of your scumreads are incredibly superficial. Just throwing that out there.
That's because the entire game is superficial so far.
I read your giant post. Do you really feel with the game being so superficial atm that you can give that many reads confidently? I personally have 1 read on ninjabunnies whom I'm voting and I think her response was scummy but honestly its so early I have about 20% confidence in it actually being correct.
So my question is why would you out so many reads early in a game you see as being superficial yourself?
These are my initial thoughts and I am just documenting them; I really don't think those three are red, and two is unlikely, but I am definitely leaning towards one of them being red.
I don't think I expressed confidence in any of my opinions yet because, as I clarified later, these stages don't really matter. I happened to have a bit of extra time so I elaborated and responded to most of the posts that had popped up in this thread, partly because I thought some of them were very strange.
Fair enough on the elaboration but your post looked like it would normally be made at the later stage of the day 1 or 2. Not something mere 2-3 hours into day 1. I don't really feel like any substantial could have come out of the first couple hours their reads wise and as any setup talk is purely neutral.
On September 02 2014 11:09 kushm4sta wrote: let's refer to tehpoofter as fucktard. that way we break any mission where scum has to say tehpoofter a certain number of times.
Tehpoofter is town Tehpoofter is Amazing Tehpoofter Tehpoofter Tehpoofter Tehpoofter
On September 02 2014 08:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Templar, all of your scumreads are incredibly superficial. Just throwing that out there.
That's because the entire game is superficial so far.
I read your giant post. Do you really feel with the game being so superficial atm that you can give that many reads confidently? I personally have 1 read on ninjabunnies whom I'm voting and I think her response was scummy but honestly its so early I have about 20% confidence in it actually being correct.
So my question is why would you out so many reads early in a game you see as being superficial yourself?
These are my initial thoughts and I am just documenting them; I really don't think those three are red, and two is unlikely, but I am definitely leaning towards one of them being red.
I don't think I expressed confidence in any of my opinions yet because, as I clarified later, these stages don't really matter. I happened to have a bit of extra time so I elaborated and responded to most of the posts that had popped up in this thread, partly because I thought some of them were very strange.
Fair enough on the elaboration but your post looked like it would normally be made at the later stage of the day 1 or 2. Not something mere 2-3 hours into day 1. I don't really feel like any substantial could have come out of the first couple hours their reads wise and as any setup talk is purely neutral.
Well, I felt the need to at least start doing something now. I have classes for most of tomorrow and while I will still be keeping up with the thread as much as I can, I will not have much time until tuesday night.
I don't think the post was bad. Premature maybe. (this is directed at the above batsnacks vote post)
I can see that a little bit. What did you think of bunnies reaction to my initially troll voting her?
On September 02 2014 11:43 The_Templar wrote: I don't think 3d12 is particularly bad yet. Agreeing with people that look like they know what they're doing as a newbie is perfectly normal so far.
He hasn't done much up to this point atm so I have no read on him, his not agreeing with the setup talk felt newbish but all setup talk=null to me.
On September 02 2014 12:03 Vivax wrote: Poofter I'm currently townreading you but I still would like to know how buddying people is a valid heuristic for people being scum.
In my opinion it's just a buzzword related to a bad heuristic and I would appreciate if you didn't scumread people off so lazy reasons. There is literally no logic behind buddying=scum, if you could even call what I did like that, which is comparing my reads with people whose town play I value.
I think buddying is something mafia does often maybe not out right but its a valuable tactic to get town read by someone who has a lot of influence in town and ride that "x thought I was town" mantra until the end. So I disagree its a bad heuristic its something I look for always when I'm playing.
The point is that buddying is a scum tactic a good one and I'm going to call it out if I see it happening.
On September 02 2014 12:03 Vivax wrote: Poofter I'm currently townreading you but I still would like to know how buddying people is a valid heuristic for people being scum.
In my opinion it's just a buzzword related to a bad heuristic and I would appreciate if you didn't scumread people off so lazy reasons. There is literally no logic behind buddying=scum, if you could even call what I did like that, which is comparing my reads with people whose town play I value.
I think buddying is something mafia does often maybe not out right but its a valuable tactic to get town read by someone who has a lot of influence in town and ride that "x thought I was town" mantra until the end. So I disagree its a bad heuristic its something I look for always when I'm playing.
The point is that buddying is a scum tactic a good one and I'm going to call it out if I see it happening.
Yeah but townies buddy too, it's then called town circle and I don't see how you decide that I'm scum buddying over town buddying.
I agree with you there that you don't have to be scum to buddy but I think scum benefit from it more where town can buddy up but usually don't do it so early and as a first interaction.
On September 02 2014 12:16 Damdred wrote: @3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either.
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