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On August 21 2014 12:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh wow it's a deadline i can make! /in Let's roll scum together - this time you manage the deadline stuff ^_^ On second thought I really don't want to be scum. | ||
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On August 22 2014 01:45 Sylencia wrote: If no one /outs, we begin at deadline tomorrow  Do you mean in a few hours or in a day and a few hours? If it is the former I might be pretty busy at least for the first half of day1. | ||
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On August 22 2014 16:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure there is at least 2 mafia in: Hapa, Onegu, JAT, Xatalos. pretty sure. Great contribution bro. On August 22 2014 16:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: all the people who have posted look town. except i have missed the point where someone asked the question i just quoted. Explain to me why you think damdred is town. | ||
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On August 22 2014 19:17 Xatalos wrote: Damdred -1 Pretty forgettable posts so far instead of awkward like last time.... scum(my)? raynpelikoneet -1 Robik made a funny point about the way how rayn would have stayed up as town (and he even said that he would stay for the deadline too??) haha - started really aggressive after that, nothing really special to say about that, just a bit of an uncomfortable feeling with the not posting at night despite apparently staying up around the deadline... and somehow his reads feel a bit too certain/forced? let's just say null with some concern for now Hapahauli 0 justanothertownie 0 Onegu 0 VayneAuthority 0 IAmRobik 1 Casually townreading people etc. just feels a bit towny, probably KelsierSC 1 "tryhardish" opening post that is actually fluff - and the theme continues.... :/ ugh so awkward, but also confrontational, so maybe just awkwardly tryhard? - really eager to lynch "useless" people ugh..? what is this... well continues to antagonize people so prolly town maybe? dunno... well seems so tryhard that I guess town maybe yamato77 1 said nothing noteworthy yet - well started making some jokey posts so town? turtlevine 2 obvious smurf... pretty funny/constructive opening post, townish feels I guess GlowingBear 4 a LOT less awkward than in the Arnie game IMO, so town? yeah seems pretty natural at posting overall, and constructive, so towntown WaveOfShadow 4 Reveals willingly which players he's confident in reading and responds to Kelsier in a pretty casual/townish(?) way - really casual posting style so town lean for now I don't like this post. I don't get the Wave townread, I don't get the strong townread on the turtle and the rest of this post is just some fluff without actual conclusions. Why even list the people who didn't post. On August 22 2014 19:21 Xatalos wrote: I'm guessing there's some scum among Hapa/jat/Onegu/VA. This seems to be cool thing to say. How useful. On August 22 2014 19:26 Xatalos wrote: Sorry Damdred, you ended up in my list of suspects again. It's just the way how last time your posts were somehow memorable because they were so awkward, especially at the start, but here I pretty much forget what you just said after reading each of your posts. That's what I generally associate with scum. Why are you excusing yourself for scumreading him? If he is scum there is nothing to excuse if you think he is town why are you scumreading him? Wtf. On August 22 2014 19:30 Xatalos wrote: Well this happened in Titanic at the start when you were scum >.> How is this relevant in any way? | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:09 Xatalos wrote: The bigger reason was him engaging so naturally in the discussion. I just initially thought he might be town after he started listing which players he's good at reading. Feels like something scum wouldn't want to share casually. Why? Wave was being all casual and shit but he said very little game relevant things. And there are things like this: On August 22 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually I want to go look up a scumgame of yours. Can you link/name one for me? Why even ask this? Wave is perfectly able to use the database I am pretty sure. | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:16 Xatalos wrote: Because increasing the amount of information in the thread is against scum's win condition. Let's assume that like WOS is very wrong on all of the players he mentioned throughout the game. That would make him more suspicious. Is it worth it to share that information with the thread in the hopes that someone like me would give him a bit of townie points for it? I don't really think so. I have trouble buying that you really believe what you are saying here. | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:17 IAmRobik wrote: ##unvote raynisprollytown Care to elaborate a little? | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: JAT gets the first supertown award. ez | ||
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I would still like to hear why damdred is town btw. | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:27 IAmRobik wrote: He got right down to business. He didn't make a retarded intro post that he would make as mafia. He didn't even bother putting a smile in it. He also did the rayn town thing where he said a read and then asked someone specific to explain it for him. When rayn is mafia, I feel like he forces reads onto people, meaning that he wants people to see what he is seeing so he yells at people about why someone is scum whereas when he's town he lets people make conclusions and then reads them based off of whether their conclusion is logical. I guess we'll see where the thing with hapa goes. I've been notoriously bad at reading rayn these past 2 games though, so my word on his aligned shouldn't hold the weight it used too. Lately I've been a bit more reticent about giving out strong reads because I haven't been at the top of my game, but sometimes I just can't help myself. It's in my blood The rayn paragraph is ok. The bolded seems unwarranted somehow. | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:30 IAmRobik wrote: Rayn/jat: do you think wos and xata are mafia together? + Show Spoiler + it should be obvious from my question that I don't I don't make connections this early. Xatalos is pretty scummy, WoS is pretty useless/fluffy. | ||
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Great. This game is so easy since everyone is always telling the truth. | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:34 Xatalos wrote: Feel free not to buy it. That isn't why he got +4 points btw, just my initial impression of him was a bit towny from that post, like +1 points. I really don't give a fuck about your point system, sorry. If you are town and think anyone would come back to that post in the later stages of the game and suspect Wave because he was wrong on somebody then you are delusional. | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:36 IAmRobik wrote: I have not seen anyone blatantly lie yet. I think that happens later. Having said that, I am town and thus I have no reason to lie about anything. But how would you know that if you are town? | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:41 IAmRobik wrote: Read the thread and point out what is a lie. I haven't seen anything. Well, WoS claimed to be town for example. That could be a lie as far as I am concerned. | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:43 Xatalos wrote: 1) I thought rayn was awake based on his post just before the deadline where he said he'll stay up for the deadline. Not to mention that I didn't like his starting posts that much either. Reminds me too much of Titanic I guess. 2) I'm phone posting now so a bit hard to go through WOS filter, but I just didn't feel any malicious intent with WOS. He was basically hanging around in the thread and discussing naturally with anyone. As scum it's kind of a natural instinct to hide away from the thread when it's not necessary to discuss something. WOS just felt like he enjoyed chatting in the thread as opposed to being afraid. 1) This is bullshit and you know it. Drop the being awake reasoning and find things that are actually scummy please. 2) This can be true but it is certainly not true for Wave. He has no problem at all with casually discussing things as scum. Like you said he was just hanging around. He didn't push anything. | ||
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On August 22 2014 20:54 Xatalos wrote: I mean the latest Titanic game. Forgot name. Can you link a scumgame where WOS is being all casual and active in thread? I'll look when I get home. I was just referring to the awake thing because someone asked/talked to me about it. Yeah? To me it looked like you called him scum for that. Wave was scum in the championship game that finished recently if you want to take a look. The scum qt is also worth a skim in that regard. | ||
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Don't know if forced but certainly useless. | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:14 GlowingBear wrote: Can't skim right now. Can someone give me a summary? A summary for what? | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:30 GlowingBear wrote: A summary if what's being happening, of course. Xatalos, why are you repeating what people are saying? There are at most 4 pages since you posted dude... | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:36 Xatalos wrote: You mean the forced thing? Just wanted to point out that your post wasn't forced at all compared to your Arnie posts. Wasn't repeating. You repeated that it was useless. You also kinda repeated rayn when you said there has to be scum in the people who hadn't posted. | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:38 Damdred wrote: Ok caught up and had one cup of coffee so far. I don't really care for Xatalos reads so much, i'm just going to ignore the part of me since he always does that to me. I don't get his scummy feels vs non scummy feels. Kel is the lowest on the town scale for him but he has given some of the better material in this thread so far and seems the most likely to be towny out of the early posters and he continues to give pretty good reasoning behind his reads he is part of town I really like him right now. Xata, have you changed your mind about ray and what you originally posted him as? Also if you give Ray a -1 for being asleep when hes usually not active on the boards shouldn't the other people who have 0s have -1 to? I think I disagree with the GB and Wave rankings the most. GB is townish to me right now besides the awkward re-entrance to the thread and asking for summary which is just weird and seems strange. You say wave responds to kel in a casual/towny type way? I don't see that at all, it looked like to me he waited on someone else to call him stupid and then jumped on him, and then asked the same question to multiple people and didn't draw conclusions up to that point about them instead he just left that doesn't seem very towny to me. Confused why you gave him such a strong town read You don't care about Xatalos' reads but you are talking about nothing else. | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:45 Damdred wrote: No don't care about and don't care for are two different sentences one implies ignoring one implies disagreement My bad then. Carry on. | ||
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On August 22 2014 21:47 WaveofShadow wrote: I also forgot to mention, VA posted like once and disappeared I think? Useless VA = town VA for the most part. Except for the last time I mentioned this heuristic in thread and he attempted to try and change it up (but didn't do a fantastic job) I don't think you can read VA by what he has posted so far. | ||
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I agree with the heuristic but this is definitely not enough to apply it. No. | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:00 Xatalos wrote: I'm just kind of null on rayn right now. I've never been good at reading him but I think my heuristic is correct: super helpful rayn = town, unhelpful rayn = null. So null. I'll believe that he was really sleeping so I don't really care about that point of suspicion anymore. This is so bad... | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:04 IAmRobik wrote: I'm town. I have never ever claimed town as mafia. This game is no exception. I would be really disappointed if you became grush 2.0 man. | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:05 Xatalos wrote: It's true though. Titanic (scum): unhelpful and aggressive Neat & Tidy (town): unhelpful and aggressive Arnie (town): very helpful and constructive That's not it. You are stating the heuristic even though you yourself admit that you can't apply it yet and you are backtracking hardcore about the sleep thingy. So there is nothing to read rayn off but still you gave a scummy read on him earlier. | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:13 Xatalos wrote: I'm not saying to lynch him today based on nothing concrete. It isn't wrong to be worried because he played almost exactly the same as scum last time at the start. Yeah, I think we caught you trying to fabricate a read out of nothing. | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:22 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't know what I think tbh. I find it really hard any scummer would give me a monster townread EVER tbh considering how every game people love to jump on me, but there were problems with your reads and it wasn't just that they were weak/feels based. It was like you had no idea what was going on in the thread when you posted and hadn't read anything ...the last person I remember to fuck up that badly was a read I made on HF last game. As scum. Like it's not even that I'd be expecting you to follow thread sentiment with your reads but they're really WEIRD and out of place. It wasn't a "monster townread" - come on. What you are giving me is a monster townread. | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:25 WaveofShadow wrote: I've only explained it in like 3 posts. Maybe JAt should explain it No, maybe JAT shouldn't. Xatalos had you and GB both as +4 btw. | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:26 GlowingBear wrote: JAT what do you think of Rayn? Nothing. I don't think anything he has done anything that could not come from scumrayn but he also didn't do anything I disliked yet. Apart from this awful post: On August 22 2014 16:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am pretty sure there is at least 2 mafia in: Hapa, Onegu, JAT, Xatalos. pretty sure. | ||
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EBWOP: *I don't think he has done anything that...* | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:29 IAmRobik wrote: No clue who that is. But meta is meta and I'm not willing to break mine...yet Grush is a guy that had a specific towntell/word he said in every game he was town. | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Honestly, you just seem mad he included you in his dumb list. That might be part of it but it still is just a completely baseless statement. | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it's not i had a townread on everyone who had posted by that time except for Wave. Fine. Why did you townread damdred? Why did you townread Vayne? | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damdred was the weakest read from the posters. He started the last game exactly the same way and while it looks scummy that's just how he posts at the start of the game. I see no contrast to his townplay in his posting so i think he is town. Does he really downplay himself that hard as town? The only experience I have with him is showdown where I called him out immediately and you guys all told me how wrong I was and I don't see a big difference here. | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes he does. Look at Palmar's game. You mean the Arnie game? I just skimmed the first 2 pages of his filter and found nothing like this: On August 22 2014 11:53 Damdred wrote: Your right I am here and reading, last game I played started right after work or during work like this one did I came home and made awkward posts that made me look bad, so instead i'm looking bad for not being awkward I like this! I bleed green my friend, and i'd never lie to the shadows On August 22 2014 13:04 Damdred wrote: Its not day one without an awkward post but i got calledout for giving thoughts for not seeming to stick my neck out soooo yea. anyway id probably be suspicious of shadow but i want to read more also bed time | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:50 justanothertownie wrote: You mean the Arnie game? I just skimmed the first 2 pages of his filter and found nothing like this: The same goes for neat and tidy. | ||
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On August 22 2014 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: JAT he called himself scummy in Neat and Tidy game D1... Show me quotes - I didn't see it. This is showdown however: On July 30 2014 11:50 Damdred wrote: If you look at my filters for storm 2, or titanic lots of people say the same thing you do. I have a lot of issues entering the thread and trying to get some form of point across. I guess thread entrance is the hardest thing for me and then people key on it and I end up getting mislynched and frustration sets in. | ||
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Meh. He is talking about something specific here and not how he is generally bad/scummy. We will see. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:00 Xatalos wrote: WOS had a 15 page filter in the Championship game as scum... WTF. I guess my townread based on activity/participation was a bit premature. Down 2 points. Better don't look at my filter in that game then. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:01 IAmRobik wrote: Rayn specifically, but anyone else can - and is encouraged to - answer this, Who are we lynching today given the info that we have thus far. Would I be correct in assuming that your top lynch is wos? If yes, who would be your 2nd choice Xatalos is my first choice right now. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:03 IAmRobik wrote: I laughed. Slight town points for going back and checking that though Townpoints denied. I send him there - he had to do it. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is noone calling yamato mafia? Too early to tell. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: What he said after that didn't really look like "YAY LET'S SOLVE THE GAME RIGHT HERE!"....... That is true though. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote: LOL I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS Sometimes you make me so angry You are way too stiff dude ^_^ | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:17 KelsierSC wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by that. The reason he feels town is he said he can't read you that well which I don't think a mafia would say. d1 pass acquired. Why wouldn't a mafia say this? | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:26 KelsierSC wrote: There is no reason to say it, you can just give the read and cast a bigger aspersion if you don't preface it. He also felt town in his interactions, kind of chilled and relaxed. So I have multiple reasons to give him a town pass I kind of feel like GB has had a weak game since coming back and the awkward intro, like giving a "you gave your mafia partner a +4" like maybe that was a joke but I don't think anyone would truly believe that a mafia makes his partner top town right at the start of d1. I gave him an early town pass but I really don't like his play so far. I hate to break it to you but mafia often avoids giving concrete reads on people. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bad posts are bad posts. People are found out as mafia because of bad posts. You can't just say "look a scummy post this dude is town because no scum would do that" (which i recently got painfully reminded of). I also do not understand your pre-flip association read on Xatalos being town because "everyone has called him scum" when in fact half of the players have not called him scum. This is especially true after our last game where this line of thought went horribly wrong. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: If me or Hapa says "lynch yamato" you will lynch yamato and not secondguess it for a second. ok? rofl | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:52 KelsierSC wrote: What is a Hapa? You are town for me so I would trust your reads, if Yam posts a bit more maybe I can reevaluate but for me he is town so far. That's the wrong way. If yamato DOESN'T post a bit more you should reevaluate your townread. | ||
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On August 22 2014 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: So far were doing good. We are not lynching me, KSC, JAT or Robik in any case. Because we are town. Hapa and Onge have not postesd yet so there is at least one scum in active players. I am leaning scum on Wave and Glowingbear, strongly. Is there anyone who thinks they are town? Well, I more or less agree with your not lynching list. Thought GB was townish earlier but somehow that did not stay this way. WoS I have no idea about. Don't see why Xatalos isn't scummy to you anymore. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:08 Xatalos wrote: jat - no idea, how do you townread him so strongly? he had a humongous filter as scum earlier so not activity... and he immediately jumped to discredit me without calling me scum when you called me scum... I just can't feel the strong townread so help me here If what I do is discrediting - why did you back down from all the reads I critisized you for? Also I DID call you scum several times already. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: JAT: Xatalos looks like he is trying to figure out the game. He can bus as mafia, he most likely would if he was mafia. He is also way more "certain" about stuff as scum. I am not strongly townreading him and in case he is scum he will either fuck up at the EOD1 or bus. Both are good. Huh? I remember this being different. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:17 GlowingBear wrote: This is your guess? Because if someone town reads another person, he needs to say why. I'm trying to get information out of him. What would be my scum motivation behind it? He just made a post about that. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:20 GlowingBear wrote: @Robik: I was addressing this motherfucking post. You think I have no right to be mad to be scumread because I'm not posting as much as I yesterday? It's not about the quantity. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:21 GlowingBear wrote: So you're disregarding every attempt of mine of pushing people yesterday? No, I am not. I am just telling you why people are suspicious of you right now. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are me and JAT posting the exact same fucking stuff all the time. This is funny haha <3 I really hope you are not scum >_< | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:28 GlowingBear wrote: It you manage to mislynch me I bet he will be more than paranoid after n1. Why the defeatist attitude? Jesus. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:35 KelsierSC wrote: I still don't like WoS but he is at least being more useful. I don't like the way he has made some generic reads on Dama and gone after him as he is one of my top town. Explain. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:45 WaveofShadow wrote: PS GB's anger at being called out (whether truly for activity or not) while having a busy day AND attempting to post during lunch rings mega townbells with me. I should fucking know I see why you would understand the anger in general but I don't understand why it rings townbells. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:53 Xatalos wrote: Yeah, after discrediting me for over a page or so? Well it's true that you turned out to be right on some points. I still think rayn is pretty nullish (based on the meta). And I also stand by my initial read of KSC. Btw I think we were scum together in Intrigue? The game where BH got himself and 2 others modkilled? I don't remember much of what you did there, but I think you were a lot more lurky. Then again you had 24 pages in Championship. Gah. Yes, we were buddies that game. And your posts there looked quite similar to the bolded part of this post. Saying things without coming to conclusions. It was the reason marv killed you. I never attacked your Kelsier read and nullreading rayn is ok. But you weren't nullreading him at first. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:53 WaveofShadow wrote: As scum you can fake the anger, sure, but it's not the same because even though they're accusing you correctly, it's for the wrong reason---it's not the same kind of righteous anger. I don't know about that. You seemed pretty righteously angered as scum. | ||
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On August 23 2014 00:56 WaveofShadow wrote: GOD I FORGOT HOW MUCH I HATE THIS NITPICKING STYLE OF YOURS SO MUCH Like you don't pick on grand points, you pick on semantics and stuff and it never gets you anywhere It's so frustrating trying to prove to you I'm town because it happens this way every goddamn game You seem to be quite certain that rayn is town, yes? | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah fairly fucking certain. He tends not to do this shit as scum---0doesn't push relentlessly he is more content to sit back and not take an active role. Like you last game. Wow, I HEAVILY disagree with this statement. If there is a player that pushes hard for mislynches and has an agenda as scum then it is rayn. | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:02 WaveofShadow wrote: You've never had to defend yourself from town-rayn led mislynches multiple times. No, but I had to defend myself from town AND scum-rayn led pushes on me. | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:04 IAmRobik wrote: Preach sister. I think I said this like 5 pages ago. The only difference is that he goes about it in this evil way where he calls someone mafia and then forces people to agree with him or else he calls them mafia too or stupid. He's not doing that this game Maybe you are right. I respect his scumplay too much to townread him that easily though. | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:14 IAmRobik wrote: It must suck to be you, Rayn. I can post that I'm town and get read as town cause of meta. You play townie and town is afraid to call you town and scum just ride that "yea, way too early to read rayn" bullshit I don't really townread you if that helps. | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote: I GAVE MULTIPLE REASONS FOR IT No. You know what? No. I'm not wasting another fucking lunch hour going over every minute piece of bullshit you spew and having you throw shit back on me. That shit may have worked in Persona when you mislynched me but it won't here. If you lynch me here you are damn fucking well taking full responsibility for it. I'm done attempting to convince you; I'm going to play the game how I damn well fucking please, seemingly inane questions, perceived contradictions and all. Ok, fine. But if you want it to be like that stop raging at rayn. Ignore him and talk about other people. | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:18 IAmRobik wrote: You're playing the game wrong and making it more difficult for yourself then Well, I won't townread someone for claiming town and this will never change. You seem to be very sure about your reads recently - fits your character but still makes me feel uneasy about you. | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:45 KelsierSC wrote: rayn if you think Xat is mafia does that make WoS more or less scum? What are you trying to achieve by asking this? | ||
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On August 23 2014 01:55 VayneAuthority wrote: he needs to know who to nightkill tonight Ah, of course why am I even asking? I am such a dummy. | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:02 KelsierSC wrote: I could probably ask you the same thing. I was basically asking if he believed Xat would make his partner one of his top town Connections cases on day1 tend to suck pretty hard. It just feels like a really irrelevant thing to ask. | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:06 KelsierSC wrote: tbh I read you as strong town pretty early so I wasn't ever considering you scum for today. I didn't actually see you attack dam tbh so not sure what you are talking about. Well, I made some meta comparisons to his recent games and came to the conclusion that he was downplaying himself in his scumgame and not so much in his towngames. | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:11 KelsierSC wrote: you are a town read of mine. I wanted to know how people i think are town view people I believe are scum. So if you had said "i think it makes WoS seem more town" I take that into consideration Why aren't you asking about his opinion on them then? Plain and simple. Why do you feel the need to create some kind of connection based read? | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:15 KelsierSC wrote: The connection is something I use when making my read so if someone I think is town believes the connection is important then that factors into my read aswell. Maybe we just disagree on how to read people day1, whatever. If scumreading damdred is the only/biggest reason for your scumread on Wave then I don't like it. | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:19 IAmRobik wrote: It's not a must. Rayns just seeing what I'm seeing and thinking what I'm thinking Then it should be no problem for you to explain it to me. | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:20 KelsierSC wrote: I think I made it clear throughout almost the whole day that I have a lot of reasons for scum reading WoS Hm, your filter reveals that your other reasons were that he has been useless and that you don't think his anger is genuine. Meh. | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:25 Xatalos wrote: LOL that claim. Well I've never seen scum claim Masons so almost certain town. Yes. Would be the dumbest claim ever as mafia. | ||
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On August 23 2014 02:39 Damdred wrote: Why is GB in your town passes when you even admitted you weren't sure he was town? Think about it. The answer is really obvious. | ||
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On August 23 2014 03:00 Xatalos wrote: It just feels similar to how, for example, Tehpoofter constantly claimed town as we got closer to the deadline in the Arnie game (he was town and got lynched). I wouldn't say it's something difficult to do as scum, but it's not something you could just constantly casually say without any effort (it's mentally stressing to lie so why constantly lie unnecessarily?). So unless he chose to do this as his strategy from the beginning, it's a bit odd for him to do it as scum. People who are afraid to lie probably won't play mafia. | ||
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On August 23 2014 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because Wave does not get butthurt towards me when he is scum. He knows i can (and also might) lynch him if i decide so. there is no reason for him to try to make me angry in case he is scum (and he does not do that as scum). Hm | ||
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On August 23 2014 03:26 Xatalos wrote: As a sidenote, I've never went against you in any meaningful way as scum and constantly do it as town. Are you still talking to me? | ||
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On August 23 2014 03:32 Xatalos wrote: It's basically suicide to antagonize vets and draw their negative attention as scum. I've only done it once (in Intrigue against marv) and I got quickly lynched for it. Never again. But that is sort of true regardless of alignment. | ||
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On August 23 2014 03:34 Xatalos wrote: 100x more so as scum. As town I always talk my way out of getting lynched (never lynched as town in like 1,5 years), as scum I just break down and die. Meh. I still disagree with many of the things you say but maybe you are actually town. You have a huge filter and I think your vote is in a decent place right now. | ||
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On August 23 2014 03:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have legitmately no idea what you are talking about. If you can't see the town motivation behind this then i do not know what to say. I see it but I also remember TL Noir where you made me post my spreadsheet. | ||
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On August 23 2014 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: And i would have done that as town aswell. What's the poi9nt? There is no point it just really remembered me of that incident. | ||
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On August 23 2014 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i also made BH modkilling his whole mason group by pushing him to give the logs. as town. now srsly off for a while. i got more beer now and i am happy ^^ You are right I forgot about that. That was hilarious. | ||
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On August 23 2014 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like read this... I see nothing wrong with this tbh. you have to see it in context. | ||
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On August 23 2014 04:50 Hapahauli wrote: Buckle up boys. ##Vote Raynpelikoneet His play has been remarkably unmemorable and unfocused. After I read this game the first time through a few hours ago, I couldn't remember anything that he had posted... unheard of for a town Rayn. As for the unfocused, this is the best example: This is the scummiest thing I've seen in the thread. He just throws out "why is no one calling yamato mafia?" in the middle of a discussion, and drops some suspicion. What's notable about this is that
tl;dr Rayn's play lacks a focus that I'd expect from a town Rayn. And this yamato stuff is icing on the cake - he just sort of throws out suspicions hoping someone will bite, and when no one did, he didn't follow up on it at all. Ok. Opinions on the other players? | ||
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On August 23 2014 04:55 Hapahauli wrote: Howabout you talk about my case and your thoughts on Rayn? Town's goal is to find mafia and lynch them, not extrapolate wildly about "semi-town reads" and whatnot. Town's goal is also to identify the other townies as town and I can't get a read on you if you only comment on one specific thing. I agree that it is weird how rayn dropped the yamato issue but on the other hand what is he supposed to do as long as yamato is absent? | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:02 Hapahauli wrote: I care less that he dropped the Yamato issue and more about the timing and wording of how he brought it up. This quote makes no sense from a town perspective. As a townie, why would you be concerned about who else is calling yamato mafia if it's not even clear that you are suspicious of him? I think that post indicates that rayn is suspicious of him pretty heavily?! | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:05 Hapahauli wrote: You seem to be eager to give out criticism and less so to give out substantial opinions. What gives? Are you playing dumb or something? | ||
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Hm. There were exactly 2 moments in this game I was reminded of scumrayn so far. The tools thing and how he went after damdred earlier (-> reminded me of his push on ggtemplar in foundation). We will see how this goes when he returns. | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:12 Hapahauli wrote: Nonsense. "I think <x> player is suspicious for <y> reasons" is a town train of thought. If you read that quote, he's not saying that at all. He's asking OTHERS if they're suspicious of yamato. And the context of the quote doesn't do Rayn many favors. Consider how quickly he changed topics. He made two posts on Yamato, then promply about-faced to talk about pretty irrelevant topics. Start here in his filter... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=20#390 ...where he immediately starts talking about Xatalos, Wave, then Damdred, then finally settles on GlowingBear 4 posts later, This is not pushing suspicions - this is throwing around shit until it sticks somewhere. Hell, not once in his filter does he call yamato mafia, or even suspicious. This is the closest Rayn gets to calling Yamato mafia: I still think the questions itself implies a scumread on yamato but I admit that he changed the subject rather quickly. "Weird." Just weird. | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:12 Hapahauli wrote: Nonsense. "I think <x> player is suspicious for <y> reasons" is a town train of thought. If you read that quote, he's not saying that at all. He's asking OTHERS if they're suspicious of yamato. And the context of the quote doesn't do Rayn many favors. Consider how quickly he changed topics. He made two posts on Yamato, then promply about-faced to talk about pretty irrelevant topics. Start here in his filter... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=20#390 ...where he immediately starts talking about Xatalos, Wave, then Damdred, then finally settles on GlowingBear 4 posts later, This is not pushing suspicions - this is throwing around shit until it sticks somewhere. Hell, not once in his filter does he call yamato mafia, or even suspicious. This is the closest Rayn gets to calling Yamato mafia: "Weird." Just weird. I still think the questions itself implies a scumread on yamato but I admit that he changed the subject rather quickly. | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:17 Xatalos wrote: I don't really think the MafiaTools stunt was scummy at all. In fact it ended up helping clear my name a bit and also made others understand my thought processes a bit better. What I mostly have problems with are 1 & 2. It does not look scummy but it still reminded me. If you ask yourself why look at TL Noir. Did you talk with him beforehand about it and did you tell him you would do this kind of stuff this game? | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:31 KelsierSC wrote: Your reads don't line up with my reads. People I view as town view you scummy, Your reads are wishy washy and don't have a lot of substance. You jump on a mafia read from someone who has like 2 posts this game. For example? I get that the tools thing does not confirm xatalos as town but I really don't get why you think it makes him scum. No shit most people are nullish there - he just said in thread earlier that he has trouble finding scum. | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:48 KelsierSC wrote: So My issue is that the mafia notes is just a page of waffle and nothingness to me that is indicative of mafia, I think if you are town you should have a scum read by now. or at least more substantiation than he had. as for why would they fake notes, I don't know what you mean by fake but like it isn't difficult to maintain a page of notes so when things look bad you can copy/paste and go "look i am town!" So do you think xatalos and rayn are scum together or how does that make sense? | ||
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I never said you did. But to me it doesn't really make sense otherwise. Whatver I am not lynching the guy with the biggest filter. | ||
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On August 23 2014 05:56 KelsierSC wrote: So the only world where things make sense is that Xan is scum is if rayn is also scum? In that world what you said at least makes a little bit of sense, yes. But I doubt that we are living in that world. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:01 Damdred wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding but kel is saying xat thinks I'm still mafia when the thread says otherqise. Xat says I'm unlynchable today and defends me on several occasions. Yes, I noticed that too. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:05 yamato77 wrote: jat tell me the rayn read isn't good it's fucking godlike The only good thing about the case is the observation that rayn is pretty aimless and I don't know if that makes him scummy. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:08 yamato77 wrote: it really does and look at the way he talked about me he's not trying to lynch me, he's just trying to make people not townread me so fucking scummy And what does he gain from that if he does not try to lynch you? | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:10 yamato77 wrote: he's setting up my potential mislynch because he thinks I'm not going to try plus, he preempts my return to the thread with this bullshit Why would he think you are not going to try if he is scum and you are town? | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:12 yamato77 wrote: because I haven't been trying? or have you not noticed these newbies not respecting just how good my towngame can be Meh. Maybe. The biggest problem I have is that neither you nor Hapa has given me any reason to townread you 2 and the case is not impressing me. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:16 Hapahauli wrote: I'm trying to lynch mafia. Is that your gameplan as well? Vayne is vayne. I really don't see how someone could lean on his alignment one way or the other. I wouldn't be opposed to vig shotting him though. As for Wave, I think he's town. There's a lot of "I just wanna have fun" stuff in his filter that strikes me as more of his town persona. Not 100% obviously, but would not lynch today. Aimless does make Rayn scummy. He's not pushing any objectives. He's just talking about things to blend in. There's no method, no focus, no... madness that I expect from a town Rayn. But the scumrayn I know is not aimless at all. Look at foundation mafia. He was pushing mislynches like a fucking lunatic. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:18 yamato77 wrote: it was scummy for him to randomly go "why do you read yamato as town?" do you know how rayn operates with his scumreads as town? he makes fucking cases on them and argues about it for days is this how he is handling his read on me? no. it's horseshit. I don't like him coming after me, and I don't like how he's going about his read on wave or damdred either at the moment That already sounds a little better. I hope he returns soon - seeing you guys interact would probably make things clearer. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:19 yamato77 wrote: he can't do what he did in foundation because there are much better players floating around in this thread Like who? Maybe Hapa if he is town but that's pretty much it. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:26 Hapahauli wrote: That's not really what I'm getting at. A town rayn is going to post that stuff about Yamato and push him "like a fucking lunatic." Because town rayn formulates suspicions, keeps his focus, and pushes them relentlessly... all because he believes he's correct. A scum rayn's focus is very different. He'll definetely push suspicions, but what's more important is what he doesn't push. It is the fact that he'll mention a read and drop it, only to go after lynchbait. His focus is wider, more diluted, and he'll throw a lot of shit around until he finds that one thing that sticks and go all out on it. Town rayn = "find mafia, lynch mafia, fuck you I'm right lynch this fucker right here." Scum rayn = "Lets talk about this, oh is this guy suspicious, howabout this guy, or this guy? Oh this seems interesting, YEAH let's push him! Fuck you OMGUSOMGUS!" I get what you are talking about now but you have to keep in mind that yamato was absent the whole time. Rayn wasn't able to question him and yamato did not produce any content that could be discussed or analysed either. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:32 Xatalos wrote: He's been my tester for the website to write notes about Mafia games (a pretty experimental project but perhaps it could come to wider use soon as it's pretty much finished already). He must have noticed I was currently using it since I copy-pasted my notes as my first post in the game. Ok. I will just ignore the whole thing then. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:34 Damdred wrote: While this is rrue rayn did peace out after saying i was scum yelling at me. and once a few people posted in support he was gone That's a different story. I don't think he would peace out like that as scum and not as town but as I already said the push on you indeed was weaksauce. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:37 Hapahauli wrote: Also anyone (but particularly Yamato), can you post your thoughts on Damdred? Why particularly yamato? Is he particularly town? Do you want to find out about his alignment in particular? I already posted a few things on damdred -> it's in my filter. Why don't you enlighten us with your own thoughts? | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:42 Hapahauli wrote: I'm not sure. That's why I kinda wanted to get some opinions on it. I mentioned Yamato in particular because of this post: ...where he puts damdred pretty much next to every other strong town read I have in this game. Ok, fair enough. You both feel free to explain the Kelsier townread. I also had a sizable townread on him after the start but it faded quite a bit since then. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hapa is mafia. ##unvote: ##Vote: Hapahauli Surprise surprise. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not have to read anything in this game any more. Hapa is mafia. Lynch me it's okay. Lynch Hapa after me you get 1-1. That is not helpful and you know it. I would like to lynch scum today and not tomorrow and I doubt that townrayn is ok with getting lynched. | ||
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On August 23 2014 06:56 Xatalos wrote: Hapa has done more during his short time in the thread than almost any player has done throughout the whole game. Ridiculous, holy shit. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck. Can someone tell what i think? Like JAT. I am so bad at this shit. I cannot explain myself. I just know who is mafia and who is not. No, I can't. I am not sure what side to take here yet.. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:04 KelsierSC wrote: why was none of this in the notes you published, i think all the things you accused him of happened before you possted your notes Yep. That's because he added those after Hapa posted I guess. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:10 Xatalos wrote: So your scumreads are Hapa, me, Damdred? That's pretty much as bad as it gets. It would only be worse if you scumread yamato too (he's pretty obvtown after the recent pages). How the hell is yamato obvtown?! | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:14 Xatalos wrote: yamato barely manages to post as scum and his posts are all very generic and weak. Here he's really actively posting and clearly enjoying it. I think he hates playing as scum so he never shows joy in his scumplay. He shows joy because Hapa defends him against rayn. He will do that regardless of alignment and apart from enforcing the push on rayn he did jackshit. I think you never saw him actually playing town. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:21 Xatalos wrote: He was town in the Vendetta Strada game and pretty useless overall but he still felt motivated and tried to do at least something. As scum... he didn't really do anything. Anything at all. So? Did he do anything at all in this game? No, not really. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:25 Xatalos wrote: This pretty much sums up yamato's play in that game as scum: Here's he's at least given a lot of reads and expressed a lot of feelings in his posts. We are actually playing different games, aren't we? | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: JAT sheep me on Hapa on D1 plz. I promise he will flip mafia otherwise you can lynch me on D2. I PROMISE! I won't decide on that today. I am rather lost right now but at least there are clearly some factions showing right now. | ||
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No reasoning given whatsoever. Robik read is not a read and townread the basically confirmed towns is not that impressive either. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I was lost but not any more. Hapahauli is mafia. 100%. I am giving you 100%.!!!!!!!! I promise you he is mafia for my belonging in this game. he is mafia. this is like marv reading me. Don't be fucking idiot.- Don't even start insulting me rayn. It won't help your cause regardless of your alignment. I will see how I feel about this tomorrow. It is late. | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:35 KelsierSC wrote: I suppose it depends how you interpret the question, it could be that his curiousity was satisfied I think a few people responded with why they felt Yamato was town and maybe he moved on with it. Honestly I think the case doesnt hold water, the way yam and Xat have blown this out of proportion, with how quickly Xat and Yam both jumped on your read. I think you need to reevaluate. I thought you were townreading yamato? | ||
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On August 23 2014 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: btw i am not insulting you or anyone. i am just amazed how you guys buy Hapa's crap. I am not buying anything at all right now. | ||
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On August 23 2014 08:08 Hapahauli wrote: He's did something similar as scum in Vengeful Mini. Although he did it fairly differently (more concerned with insulting people and riling them up than pushing a target he thought was mafia). I think the stuff in this game comes from town Rayn. ##Vote Yamato Interesting. | ||
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On August 23 2014 09:02 Xatalos wrote: I guess that's fair. Hmmm. Well I guess neither of you can be SK at least. "Reckless" is the last word I would associate with SK play. I'm starting to think it could even be possible for both of you to be town. On August 23 2014 20:51 Xatalos wrote: Not to mention that an SK exists in the game as well... Scum claiming Masons would just beg to be killed by SK. No way really. You are talking an awful lot about this and I don't really see why a townie would do that. The things with the masons for example didn't even occur to me. You are very active and all but almost every post you make I completely disagree with. | ||
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On August 23 2014 09:15 Xatalos wrote: Well I guess you could say to that "they'd only do this as scum" but it's kind of like scum claiming Masons. Just doesn't feel realistic. Which makes the more likely option of you being scum (although Hapa kind of backed off from scumreading you). This is bullshit. The conclusion you get makes no sense. What if they are just wrong? On August 23 2014 09:27 Xatalos wrote: I really just don't think useless yamato is scum yamato. Like look at this: http://www.vendetta-strada.net/showthread.php?tid=1785&pid=119817#pid119817 He's basically lynching someone because he just dislikes him. (he also said geript was scum but the stronger motive was clearly just to kill him) And he also goes AFK for long periods of time and gets scumread by pretty much everyone but me and rayn. Still there's clearly at least some effort to do something. Unlike in the PYP game. And like in this game. So fucking what? I am getting tired of you defending yamato. If yamato is town he will do shit on his own and if he keeps being a useless fuck we kill him. On August 23 2014 19:31 Xatalos wrote: Well he did think I'm scum for the listpost/vote so...... >.> But maybe he's good at using meta or something? Are you trying to look dumb on purpose? This post makes no sense at all/is completely useless. Rayn seems to think turtle is a good player. Maybe he is right maybe he isn't - end of the story. On August 23 2014 20:27 Xatalos wrote: So KSC you're scumreading me because 1) I'm townreading yamato 2) pushing rayn? That's really weak... Besides I already explained to you that I didn't notice rayn's softpush on yamato earlier, or maybe I noticed it but forgot it soon after... Dunno how that makes me scum. And the Damdred thing only happened AFTER I nullread rayn so that + the yamato thing Hapa noticed made me vote. How could you not notice it? The post in question had giant red letters in it. It was probably the most noticable post in the game at that point. | ||
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On August 23 2014 09:39 yamato77 wrote: Hapa seemed relatively genuine in his posting. I don't know who I want to lynch right now. Lynching rayn is attractive but also a waste of the day at this point. I want to revisit my read on wave later when I have time to sit at my computer I am still waiting for this. If the short post about WoS was it I am not amused. | ||
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Rayn: We all get that you think Hapa is scum. I also know why you think so - you said all that often enough. My problem with this is that I am not as convinced as you that Hapa is too good for this. He came into the thread and immediately had to fight with you (I know - his own choice) which makes is hard to do anything else and by that to evaluate his play. I will say this: If we had to lynch right now you would have my vote. If you are not town you played we well AGAIN but so be it. I am not impressed by Hapas play so far. My comparison is the shadow game where he instantly tried to figure out the game and was so towny that I hard townread him early day1. But we have still time today. Let Hapa do what he wants. Give him a chance to prove that he is town to me (I know you think he can't) and if he doesn't I will vote him. This means you stop constantly calling him mafia and don't disrupt him should he try to to something. If you see something new that is scummy feel free to point it out though. I would also really appreciate it if you would NOT limit yourself to this Hapa stuff today. Hapa: If you are town and don't think rayn is scum anymore you will ignore him and figure out this game. You have like 12 hours to convince me that you are town. | ||
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On August 23 2014 22:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: JAT: I am not voting for anyone else until Hapa dies. Xatalos is also mafia. 80% sure Onegu is also mafia. People who can read me do not misread me in this game. They just don't. I also have a bar night tonight so i can't be online @ the deadline. It doesn't really matter because i already found scum. If you do not believe me not voting mafia is on you guys.. I have said everything that needs to be said. I am not telling you not to vote Hapa. Xatalos... the thing that stops me here is how huge his filter is and I don't know if he would really post all the dumb stuff he posted as mafia. | ||
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On August 23 2014 22:26 Onegu wrote: Also Kempachi rule So GB is scum? Try again. | ||
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On August 23 2014 22:27 justanothertownie wrote: I will return in a few hours. I would really appreciate people like Hapa, yamato and WoS to post more if they are town. Also Robik. Almost forgot this guy is in the game. And the turtle... everyone besides rayn really. | ||
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On August 23 2014 22:29 Onegu wrote: Dunno even know why people have him confirmed... Because he and the turtle claimed masons that are confirmed town to each other. Doesn't make much sense to claim as mafia, does it? | ||
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On August 23 2014 22:34 Onegu wrote: How does that make anysense whatsoever? Seems like a sweet claim if Im mafia. And eveyone just believed them, in a closed setup? Are you scum? How can you not see that this is never a winning play as mafia. | ||
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On August 23 2014 23:10 IAmRobik wrote: I find myself agreeing with JAT a lot That's a good thing. But also a useless statement if you don't even say what it is you are agreeing with. On August 23 2014 23:15 Onegu wrote: Yes this is true if both are mafia, but how is it impossible that is one town and one scum, unless both of them are saying in thier PM that they are confirmed masoned with another town. 1) Are you not able to read or something? I literally said they are confirmed to each other in this very chain of quotes. 2) Fucking read the thread and THEN continue posting. On August 23 2014 23:43 GlowingBear wrote: Which smart things is Robik saying? I only see "lol shut up I'm town" Good question. | ||
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On August 23 2014 23:47 Xatalos wrote: Yeah that's pretty much the worst / most incorrect possible reason to scumread Damdred. Actually even during the big spamfest he only posted original stuff and didn't sheep anything... That's just an unacceptable reason rayn. On August 24 2014 00:09 Xatalos wrote: Again, he's absolutely useless and unmotivated as scum. He doesn't show emotion. That's from my experience. I don't like how he's lurking so much and avoiding hot topics of discussion though, plus Hapa made some decent points about how he doesn't have real confidence in his reads and how he leaves the thread at crucial points. So currently he's only +1 and he will drop further if his lurking behavior continues. I've been concerned about rayn all game and I've never thought he's town, something I've ALWAYS concluded at some point during D1 if he's town. However, I didn't want to lynch him based on a gut feeling because 1) he'd be an NK magnet as town 2) he could become a real asset as town at some point. Then he did a really shady push on Damdred where I really doubt he even believed in it himself (all his arguments were just wrong / misinterpreted). I was really wavering on believing he could possibly be town. Just then Hapa came out with an additional point pointing to scum rayn and I decided that I'd rather lynch probable scum rather than flip a coin (on yamato who had barely posted at that point, and actually yamato returned to the thread around then as well while showing some of his towny traits - emotion, constantly posting stuff etc.). So that's why. I'd hardly say I have "no reads whatsoever" when I townread you and scumread rayn. My other reads are still under evaluation. Onegu is probably town too though because he instantly focused on figuring out the game when he started posting earlier. As scum he's pretty... unfocused. Oh god.... can you actually start taking a stance on ANYTHING? | ||
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On August 24 2014 00:19 IAmRobik wrote: Wait, what?!?! Why aren't hapa and Yamato voting for rayn. They're sooooooo fucking convinced he's scum. Did something change since pg 40? Just stop posting useless filler like this and catch up. Seriously. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:03 WaveofShadow wrote: lol so reminiscent of scumJAT catchups from last game. Yeah, only problem is that I also do that in every single towngame. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright, say you're town and have no strong reads at the end of the day. You have a near-confirmed-but-not-quite townie on your team. How do you vote? It is nice that you are lecturing him but is this supposed to lead anywhere? | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Of course. I'm cementing my handle on his play. JAT who are you voting today? That's a decision I won't make right now. I want to hear from Hapa first. | ||
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I am leaning towards nothing right now. Yamato could be a decent lynch. Maybe Xatalos. You aren't off the table either, | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:28 Xatalos wrote: The fact that he immediately focused on interacting with me and talking about which filters would be important to read etc., then actually went to read rayn and brought additional points for him being scum. And you think that is more towny than let's say.. READ THE DAMN THREAD? Why can't he do it as scum? | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote: Show me what good points Xata, most of what he brought to the thread had been talked about before and as someone who Rayn says can always read him and he self claims he can read rayn he doesn't bring a ton to the thread in the way of a read when rayn has a lot of pages to draw from. Don't put any stock in what Onegu says about his ability to read people (-> Holyflare in the last game). | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:32 Xatalos wrote: I think it's a pretty good point that as town rayn always says stuff like "I NEVER do this as scum!". Not once this game. Plus the point about rayn believing strongly in everything he says as town, whereas here he just begged others to scumread yamato for him and pushed Damdred with pretty much the most lame case in the whole thread. Please show me where rayn BEGGED others to scumread yamato. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote: I would be incredibly impressed if scumrayn said this. wat, I think you are really undererstimating him. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:38 turtlevine wrote: I've once-overed the entire thread but it's hard to hold in my head the thread was quite long but my reading is strong but much more and I'd probably be dead Good. Any suspects besides Hapa? | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Not sure what rayn's reason is. Either way I don't think the two of them voting hapa alone would make me switch off yamato except if we needed to consolidate. I personally would give hapa more time. I won't. If Hapa doesn't do shit today he is going down. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:41 Xatalos wrote: Well, he tried to see if anyone would start pushing yamato with that encouragement, nobody did, he dropped it. I think begging is a somewhat appropriate description since he didn't do anything to push the issue himself and just hoped that someone would do it for him. Yeah? I think you are talking right out of your ass. | ||
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On August 24 2014 02:46 VayneAuthority wrote: Do I have to troll every game? not really. I always try when im needed and this game is a mess. Ok, who do we lynch? | ||
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On August 24 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Also why are people not voting for yamato exactly? I see lots of waffling over Rayn/hapa, fine, but correct me if I'm wrong but no one currently has a townread on yamato, do they? Anyone who thought Hapas case on rayn was good feel free to explain the difference between what he said and this. | ||
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On August 24 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Ok, but I don't see you doing anything about this. Who is turtle, Xat, and what do you know of whom you think it is? Why are you asking so many useless questions? | ||
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On August 24 2014 03:45 Hapahauli wrote: Good Why do you say this? | ||
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On August 24 2014 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Jat, with all due respect, shut up. I don't go in for unnecessary belligerence. My questions are not useless as I told Rayn. They get me what I want. And as far as yamato goes, how exactly was that one sentence I wrote on people not voting for yamato a case? OR comparable to hapas in any way? What in the fuck are you talking about? First of all you won't tell me to shut up. Second of all I did not say what you posted was a case I am saying it is exactly the same as what rayn was saying when he asked why noone was scumreading yamato. | ||
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On August 24 2014 03:58 Hapahauli wrote: Why should I be? I'm not scumreading Rayn anymore, and hell WoS's quote is far different than what I found Rayn suspicious for. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/465098-guilty-mini-mafia?page=66#1316 WoS has his vote on yamato and is pushing a case. The issue I had with Rayn was that it wasn't clear if he thought Yamato was suspicious, and he kinda threw it out there without pursuing it. Well, I still think asking this question in itself shows really clearly that rayn thought yamato was scummy. | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:01 Hapahauli wrote: Are you expecting me to argue for a case that I don't agree with anymore? You aren't agreeing with your own case? I know that you changed your read on rayn but that is something different. | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote: AND on top of that yamato had barely done anything at that point in the game iirc---like the situations are completely different. What did you hope to accomplish with this line of questioning? It's so wtf That is still the case and one of your main reasons for scumreading im afaik. | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote: This is when Rayn posted. Yamato's filter is like 6 posts long at this point. Currently it is >30. Massive difference. It is not only the quantity of his posting (which is by itself a terrible heuristic) but the content and quality, which is absolute shit and belies the fact that he doesn't appear to care whatsoever. This is really dumb JAT. Dumb is that you call the quality of posting a difference between his early and late posts. And yes, of course it is dumb. My point is that I would never scumread you for this sentence BUT people who were all over Hapas case should. | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:27 Hapahauli wrote: I don't think Onegu's mafia in this one. He came into the game late, but the fact that he goes after Rayn first (of all people) seems pretty reckless for mafia. And I think my interaction with Rayn is a good example of what happens. Secondly, these two posts: He's the first person to question the claim, which strikes me as very townie. Clean, well-accepted claims are generally "off limits" to attack by mafia (in fear of drawing negative attention), but Onegu doesn't follow any of that. Well, have a look at marvs case against Onegu from last game. Onegu likes to go against strong players as mafia. Also I don't see how it is towny to question the claim. | ||
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Championsship game. Not that Onegu was mafia in it but the meta examples are still real. | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:29 Hapahauli wrote: As for Xatalos... the 14 pages makes me think he's town. That seems mind-boggling for mafia to do - it's a different level of activity all together. I could definitely go through his filter and nitpick stuff (as have others), but I would find it incredibly difficult for Xat to maintain this level of activity as mafia. Hell I would be impressed if *anyone* had 14 pages on Day 1 as mafia. Ok, so basically you townread Onegu and Xatalos. So in your eyes all 3 of rayns targets are town. But you don't scumread him anymore? | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:34 Hapahauli wrote: Rayn's gone off the deep end and is scum-reading literally everyone that reads him as mafia. Thinking someone is town =/= agreeing with their reads, or I'd call myself mafia and lynch myself. While that is of course true I still think it is weird for you to think that this is ok for townrayn to think if you are town. | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:35 yamato77 wrote: I don't really have the time to fight my lynch in the next couple hours au revoir Holy shit you are really begging me to vote you, aren't you? | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:35 Hapahauli wrote: As for Onegu - someone link me to the championship game? I didn't follow it and can't find it on the 2p2 forums. I am talking about Iamps recent game. On this side. | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:37 Hapahauli wrote: How is it weird? Townies OMGUS like this all the time, particularly Rayn. Well, you basically say that you are scummy enough for a very good townplayer to scumread you. And not only is this player wrong on you but also on all his other scumreads. | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:41 yamato77 wrote: rayn doesn't understand that Hapa forces cases early just to get things going This post suggests that you are townreading both of them, yes? | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:44 Hapahauli wrote: Well all of Rayn's reads are based of me being mafia and all mafia therefore attacking him. When you start with axioms like that, it's not weird for me to disagree with him. And what I don't understand is... if I was mafia, why wouldn't I just keep pushing him? I'd have a really good shot of lynching him between the two votes already on him, myself, and yamato. Instead I backed off and drew a shitton of unnecessary attention on myself. I think you realized that you wouldn't have gotten him lynched and even if you had succeeded if he had flipped town you would have been the next lynch after how this went down. The only small point in your favor is that you went against him like this in the first place. | ||
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On August 24 2014 04:48 Hapahauli wrote: I very much disagree with this, given that Rayn has the persuasiveness of a brick. If this is true how did he persuade you that he was town? | ||
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On August 24 2014 05:58 Hapahauli wrote: As for JAT, I really haven't paid much attention to him. He asks a lot of questions, some of which seem very irrelevant and pedantic. I would have to look at his meta if I were to give an accurate read on him, but I really don't have the time for that right now. So pretty much null. He's a player that can maintain interest/activity as mafia, and I don't consider anything he's done alignment indicative. Anywho, I'm more concerned with lynching yamato at this point. It is hard to believe that you are not townreading me at this point. How do you know that I am a player that can maintain interest/activity as mafia btw? | ||
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On August 24 2014 05:54 VayneAuthority wrote: at any rate I need an updated read from you on JAT, for science. Now that you got your answer - what is your scientific insight? | ||
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On August 24 2014 06:04 Hapahauli wrote: I remember seeing a game where you had 24 pages of filter as mafia. You remember seeing this game. When would that have happened? Earlier you did not know which game I was talking about (hint: that's the game in question). | ||
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On August 24 2014 06:06 Hapahauli wrote: And it's questions like that which prevent me from reading you as town, because it's so damn pointless. The information had been brought up by someone in the thread already (the 24 page game, even if I knew it existed before), and it's a question that I'm going to have no trouble answering regardless of my alignment. Nor is the answer really going to say anything about my alignment either. It is not pointless. If you are not townreading me because I had some random number of pages in a different game you didn't even read anything of that is a concern to me. | ||
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On August 24 2014 06:08 Hapahauli wrote: I confused "championship" game with the ones run on 2p2. That's pretty much it. That wasn't clear from my posts? Yes, it was. But it shows that you have no idea about that game. | ||
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On August 24 2014 06:11 Hapahauli wrote: No, it means that I didn't immediately associate "championship" with the TL game. Again, where is this going? You are basing your read on me on a game you didn't even read anything of. You made a conclusion about my play off of a random number of pages I had in that game. | ||
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On August 24 2014 06:13 Hapahauli wrote: Cool. Now what do you think of my cases then? Broad generalizations about my play aside of course. You barely have a case on yamato. You are just stating the obvious and anyone could do that. Your case on Vayne is not bad maybe. The good point here is that Vayne actually trys to look like he is interested which is not his townmeta as far as I see it. | ||
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On August 24 2014 06:19 Hapahauli wrote: No. Let me break it down for you: 1) "Championship" game commonly refers to the series run on 2p2. I had read all those games months ago. 2) I had read iamperfection's game sometime while it was going on. 3) When you mentioned "championship game", I immediately thought of the 2p2 series as opposed to iamperfection's game. 4) Hence it is possible for me to associate "championship" with another game series, while having read the game you played in. Though again, why this line of questioning as opposed to talking about my cases, reads, etc? It's just stupid and pedantic. Even if you had an "AH HA, GOTCHA, CONTRADICTED YOURSELF" moment, so what? You're going to get contradictions left and right if you keep asking loaded questions and keep shoe-horning your assumptions into your own narrative. Are you misunderstanding this on purpose? I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR MISTAKE REGARDING WHICH GAME TO LOOK AT OR WHICH SITE. I never did. I CARE ABOUT YOU BASING YOUR READ ON ME ON A GAME YOU DID NOT READ. Is this really that hard to understand? | ||
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On August 24 2014 06:24 Hapahauli wrote: Barely have a case on Yamato? I thought my point on his "confidence" post was rather good, and certainly not something that was "obvious." Also, I have some fairly developed town-reads in my filter that you all together ignored. You seem to be more interested in lining up my play with your narrative than looking at things the way they are. No, I am interested in your alignment and scumreads generally are more telling than townreads. | ||
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On August 24 2014 06:43 Xatalos wrote: Compare these reactions to pressure close to deadline on D1... One is scum, one is this game. Yes, fairly tempted to lynch yamato. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:30 Hapahauli wrote: See #2: I read iamperfection's game. Not remembering which game I saw your 24 page filter off of the top of my head in rapidfire questioning =/= not having read the game. You have a shockingly little amount of imagination. You did not read iamperfections game because that is the game I had the 24 page filter. What the hell? | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:40 Hapahauli wrote: I want you to go back to that post and quote it for me. On August 24 2014 06:06 Hapahauli wrote: The information had been brought up by someone in the thread already (the 24 page game, even if I knew it existed before), and it's a question that I'm going to have no trouble answering regardless of my alignment. Nor is the answer really going to say anything about my alignment either. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:41 KelsierSC wrote: you have no logical consistency, this is the only consistent aspect of your play. We can be friends this game. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:42 Hapahauli wrote: Good job JAT! Now I want you to translate exactly what it says step by step. Ah, goddamn it I misread something. Still it seemed to me very much like you did not read the game at all earlier. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:46 Xatalos wrote: It would also explain how yamato managed to express genuine emotions when posting about rayn. Maybe he knew that rayn was scum? Yeah he did post against rayn but he never voted or brought any additional arguments against him. That's semi-bussing at best. It is still the hardest yamato pushed anything this game, no? | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:46 Hapahauli wrote: Well it seems to me that I actually read the game and indicated so in that post I made. We seem to be at an impasse. Let's just forget that whole incident. Mistakes were made. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:53 Xatalos wrote: What are you even trying to say with this line of questions? I am saying that I disagree with your statement that yamato was pushing WoS harder than rayn. | ||
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On August 24 2014 00:19 IAmRobik wrote: Wait, what?!?! Why aren't hapa and Yamato voting for rayn. They're sooooooo fucking convinced he's scum. Did something change since pg 40? And then he disappeared forever. Hapa, how about an opinion on Robik? You don't even have to read that much. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:04 Hapahauli wrote: Why the fuck are we talking about players that aren't up on the block? Fuck robik. He's null as fuck, and he's actually probably town because of the "I'm town" shit that he's doing. Ok, who is up on the block? You and yamato? There is a limited amount of stuff that you can say about yamato and the best thing to figure you out is to make you give reads. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:09 Hapahauli wrote: My priority is to get Yamato lynched, and Xatalos not lynched. I'm not going to accomplish this by putting up with the useless questions you ask me. I already wasted 3 hours of my life responding to something you misread in my filter. I've responded to you plenty. Now it's your turn to get an opinion of something, push a read, and do anything other than asking me useless questions. If that means you vote me, go right ahead, this is a waste of my time. You have a brain. Use it. Everything I do is to get an opinion. I fail to see how it hurts you to give reads. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:11 Hapahauli wrote: Your idea of information gathering is to beat someone to death with a spoon. No it's not. I went hard on you earlier because I misunderstood something. Asking for reads is not beating with a spoon. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:15 Hapahauli wrote: I. am. not. answering. your. questions. anymore. You're going to talk to me about why Xatalos is town, why Yamato is mafia, and why you're about to vote Yamato. I was actually going to side with you but you are making me reconsider with this crap. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:16 Xatalos wrote: Maybe he thinks turtlevine is geript. Not that it really matters. He definitely thinks so. It's because turtle said yamato is generally bad or something like this. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:18 KelsierSC wrote: so Xat all you want me to do is lynch yam But I read you as scum so badly and you are pushing on Yam. Even though he was town for you. And you shared his read on rayn who is still scum for you. Like I would happily lynch over yamato and feel really good about it. So when someone who I see is scum is puhsing hard for a lynch like it makes me uneasy, does that make sense. You need to convince me you are town and you havent fucking done it you could be bussing, yam could be town ( I dont think he is_ but with how eager you are now to push this lynch through and live another day it just screams scum. I cant think of one good reason to keep you for d2 I understand you wholeheartedly but Hapas read on Xatalos is actually not bad. It basically means that Xatalos is a better townplayer as scum but it is somewhat hard to imagine that he posts all this stuff without reconsidering as mafia. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:23 Hapahauli wrote: It has nothing to do with that. It means that he's intelligent enough to tell people what they want to hear when he's mafia. And that's why he's town this game - he's not concerned with putting on appearances. He's concerned with dumping whatever-the-fuck is on his mind. Which is exactly what I just said. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote: And you don't think Prome would say that? Although come to think of it IS possible turtle could be geript. In which case I'd probably put a lot less credence in his reads, no offense buddeh. It's not about what I think. That's what yamato thinks. I personally have no idea who it is but geript is certainly possible. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:25 Hapahauli wrote: Part one accomplished. Let's talk about part two. There is nothing to say about that. I already did that ages ago. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:41 Hapahauli wrote: This is also pretty biased considering they're masons. Hm? | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:43 Xatalos wrote: Prolly means that their opinions merge to some extent. Maybe. But it still means 2 townies think so. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:44 Hapahauli wrote: They've mentioned several times separately that they're sharing reads and voting in solidarity. It's natural for them to be suspicious of the same people. Also, even if you're suspicious of me, you should atleast be skeptical given my meta-case on Xatalos. I'm pretty damn confident in that one, no one has brought up anything resembling an objection to it, and it seems like you agree with it too. That's exactly the case. Although scum can naturally make good towncases. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:46 yamato77 wrote: Hapa/Wave/Onegu/Rob Damdred and geript are the only ones calling me town and all you jubjubs just think this is a dandy lynch. Lol. Is that your scumlist? Where is rayn? | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:48 Damdred wrote: ##Vote Xatalos This just feels like a mislynch on yamato being pushed. Xatalos feels the most scummy in the whole thread maybe he is town and i'm totally misreading him (again) but I don't like this lynch Interesting. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:53 Damdred wrote: I don't know the answer to that I don't think an associative read at this point is beneficial to the game. I doubt another scum is being as vocal on yamato right now Associative reads are not benefitial but you are not voting yamato because of associative reads. | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:58 Damdred wrote: Explain this to me JAT, i'm not voteing for yamato becuase I don't think hes scum from what i've seen. Even though he peace'd out this looks more like town yamato from his past couple game sthan the scum yamato i played with Well you said this looks like a mislynch that is being pushed -> implies you are not voting because of the people on the wagon and not because of what yamato did. If that is not the case - show me why yamato is town this game and where the difference is to his scumgame. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:07 Hapahauli wrote: Can I get a show of hands who would be interested in swinging a vote on Damdred? That vote is actually that bad. I could be down for this. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:08 yamato77 wrote: Reading through page after page of pointless arguing. Trying to talk about the game with people only to be told I'm doing nothing. No one is discussing anything, they are just accusing and yelling. Just like your posts lately. When did you try to talk to people and were denied? I don't remember that. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:20 KelsierSC wrote: Ok I notice you and Xat are both dodging around the sheer illogical aspect of his play. As for whatever he did in an other game, frankly that is less relevant to me. Also I look for quality in posts not quantity and a lot of his posts are just nonsense The problem is that being illogical is not exclusively a scum trait. It's maybe even more likely to come from a townie. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:26 Xatalos wrote: Hmmm dunno what's to be done here. There's too much scum/stupidity to swing the vote? Huh? I thought yamato got 4 first? | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:29 WaveofShadow wrote: It's not rayn I worry about. Where are the rest of the people who haven't done dick all in forever? Onegu/Robik/VA/GB turtle to some extent Exactly. This is poor showing from whoever is town in there. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:35 Xatalos wrote: Wait it's 4v4??? yay See? | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:47 yamato77 wrote: Help town find scum? You are literally the only person responding to me. Lol. Joke of a game. You didn't even try to talk to anybody. You were just sitting in a corner complaining from time to time. | ||
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On August 24 2014 09:50 GlowingBear wrote: They will both be a mislynch. Mafia is comfort with both wagons. We should lynch Robik. I still have 10 minutes but if people choose to lynch Robik I'll do so What makes you think so? | ||
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##Vote: Robik | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:06 Hapahauli wrote: i am da best Yeah, you are so good you yelled at me for bringing Robik up to look at. ^_^ | ||
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What does that make rayn? Would Robik townread a buddy that hard? | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote: lol so much for not claiming town as scum robik yeah, lol thank god. No Grush 2.0 | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:15 Xatalos wrote: I guess he chose this game to use this "meta strategy" and claim town constantly. Too bad for him that it was all in vain haha Noone expects the last minute shennanies. His buddies couldn't do anything about it. | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:18 KelsierSC wrote: Xat could be an SK in there aswell The thought crossed my mind. But I don't think we should be SK hunting. | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hi! Are you guys voting for hapa? Nah, we decided to lynch scum instead. ^_^ | ||
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No, he explicitly said he would not switch in the end. | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:00 WaveofShadow wrote: No fuck it im staying | ||
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On August 24 2014 18:41 Xatalos wrote: I can't understand why yamato would only start to play starting from N1. I don't care. As long as he in fact does start playing. You 2 are both not confirmed from the voteswitch because you both tried to save your own ass but I don't want to lynch either of you so you should maybe not use your time going at each other. | ||
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On August 24 2014 20:27 KelsierSC wrote: The vote switch does confirm yamato town to some extent as he was the first person to vote on Robik. Ff he was scum then he had no reason at that point to switch onto his mafia partner. Yeah, maybe. | ||
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On August 24 2014 21:41 Damdred wrote: Xata you listed three people to lynch. since you are trying to give cases this game why those three with scummu reasons/posts please It isn't that complicated really. These people are town: GB, Hapa, turtle These are very likely town: yamato, xatalos I think Kelsier is also town. Leaves us with a pool of: damdred, WoS, Vayne, Rayn, Onegu which includes at least 2 scum and maybe a SK for the lynch day2. | ||
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On August 24 2014 22:16 GlowingBear wrote: Anyway, if Robik was really mafia wat On August 24 2014 22:16 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, if neither me or turtle dies tonight, night kill will be pretty informative. I fail to see how it is informative if me or Hapa die but ok. | ||
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Seemed quite towny to me all day and if he faked the frustration about the voteswitch/posted that as scum I will be impressed. | ||
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On August 24 2014 10:01 KelsierSC wrote: that was fucking retarded xat is mafia hapa is probably mafia aswell | ||
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On August 25 2014 00:10 GlowingBear wrote: Lynch him. Early town pass for Robik with shitty reasoning / n1 says we should focus on people who are not in Robik's lynch when everybody agrees that this solely isn't a good option. Mafia usually don't give their buddies strong townreads for no reason that early. | ||
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On August 25 2014 04:36 yamato77 wrote: Also, JAT, you aren't that good so you can just buzz off telling me what to do. Huh? | ||
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On August 25 2014 05:51 Damdred wrote: I don't think your survival was ever in doubt last night. GB almost blackmailed you into voting for robik. Aren't you contradicting yourself here? I really don't like how you are pushing this atm. | ||
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On August 25 2014 06:52 Damdred wrote: I'm having a conversation with xata and no contradiction i see. GB basically did force him to rob in a sense and his survival wasn't in doubt with his loyal subjects How could GB force him to vote rob if his survival wasn't in doubt. It makes no sense. | ||
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On August 25 2014 06:58 KelsierSC wrote: Xatalos from the votes. 1) It was initially between you and yam so you had no reason to switch. 2) It was then the votes started swinging towards Robik away from Yam so the vote was still between you and Robik. If you stuck on Yamato either you or Robik got lynched so you switching over does not clear you as town at all it just stunk as someone trying to live and maybe get town credibility. That's fair but we aren't lynching Xatalos day2 so you guys should maybe try to analyse something different now. You are beating a dead horse anyways. | ||
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On August 25 2014 07:07 yamato77 wrote: "Aren't lynching Xat day 2" seems like a bold statement. No one is safe just because they voted Robik. When did I say it is only because he voted Robik? Look at Hapas case for xatalos being town and argue against it. If you can't do that we are not lynching him. | ||
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On August 25 2014 07:15 Damdred wrote: Rob wasn't getting traction gb went vote xata....xata switched people went NOT XATA. You guys weren't going to let him die There was no way for him to be sure of that. | ||
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On August 25 2014 07:39 KelsierSC wrote: Hapas case was kinda shitty in my opinion. It was based on Xata posting lots in other games or something it just felt shit tier. I already gave a lot of reasons from THIS GAME why Xata is scum so I would happily lynch him. He has fucking 21 PAGES of filter. Show me one example of a scumplayer on this site that had this ridiculous amount of posts at this point. And that's not even the main point. He posts more careful and structured as mafia. | ||
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On August 25 2014 07:44 KelsierSC wrote: I already explained that it isn't hard for him to mimic his town play. If his town play is to post a giant amount of nonsense. imagine the crazy scenario where a mafia player mimics his town play! OMG SO WILD I think you have no idea how hard it is to be active as scum. And with active I mean having maybe one half of this filter. | ||
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On August 25 2014 07:44 Damdred wrote: If the only reason we take xata off the table is because of a town case hap did (hap even admits now that xata could be the sk or town) thats largely meta based at least how i read it, then i should 100% be off the table for lynch today. If someone can tell me why both situations are bad gets a cookie If you are hinting at the fact that Hapa also called you town at some point then you are wrong. That case was way weaker. | ||
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On August 25 2014 07:50 KelsierSC wrote: Well I am sure you and Hapa are town, If neither of you are lynching Xata d2 then I will look elsewhere. For me VA and Onegu are still scummy and would be my lynches That's more like it. | ||
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On August 25 2014 08:06 Damdred wrote: Listen jat i don't think xata is getting lynched today at least unless he super scums the thread. I still think he's a good lynch because he is scummy sorta avoids then comes back awhile later to answer etc... but i don't think i can get enough traction on him. However my whole point is you should never take someone off the table because someone makes a town case about that person. that bit you in showdown with me jat. No, the only reason I went off you in showdown was that your partner bussed you for no reason. And I would have revisited you had you not nightkilled me. | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote: LOL I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING HILARIOUS plx share | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:44 Hapahauli wrote: His behavior is consistent with him going off the deep end as town. He's not pushign objectives. He's just flailing. And that's pretty townie. I am not sure if I agree with this. He was pushing you pretty hard before he left and I don't know what to make of his drunk stuff. | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:51 WaveofShadow wrote: ALright I still haven't fucking read Damdred even though I've meant to for like the entirety of D1 Entirely by PoE the rest of scum has to be within Onegu/VA/Damdred (unless we start delving into Shadow game shenannies territory and it's too early for that). I'd prefer lynching VA so far I think, simply because Onegu is a coinflip and I just can't ever seem to read damdred and I won't lynch him without doing so. Wut? Surely you will have time to read damdred at some point before the lynch?! | ||
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On August 25 2014 09:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Of course. What? I only mean based on what I've read (or haven't lol) I wouldn't currently lynch him. Ok. | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote: TURTLE YOU ARE FUCKING HF? FUCK YOU wut? | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah sadly. I think overall I played pretty well and if things weren't a little stacked against us from the start we could've won, and we didn't adapt to changing conditions particularly well. Hapa when you're not town it's insanely obvious  I'm not actually mad at HF but I never would ahve guessed him. I love looking through QTs though Asking 'if they believe I'm BH would they listen to me 'cause vet' SO MUCH LOL I love postgame. Should stop spamming JAT you are so much less fun as town. So rigid and unfun and rude and angry y u gotta be so mean -Taylor Swift Pff. Stop the complaining. You guys only needed 2 mislynches. | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:13 Hapahauli wrote: Is it confirmed HF? Highly doubt it. | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:16 WaveofShadow wrote: You were gonna shoot me? dayum I thought i defended my refusal to vote robik well enough People certainly didnt scumread me D2 for it. And yeah your D1 was fine...the only thing I actually found fishy about your D1 was knowing what your thing would do to the thread/rayn. It was when you posted the cases on me/damdred/whoever that you really f'ed up imo. Vayne had you pegged from the start. And JAT, 2 mislynches with 2 then 4 confirmed town plus an SK is not easy. We did 4 mislynches with an all-vanilla setup. I have no doubts I could have won this game if no powers were involved. Maybe. Maybe not. But this game was most certainly not townfavored. | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Yup, into D3 and obs QT still doesn't think I'm scum I know what my mistakes were and I will continue to improve WATCH OUT THE LOT OF YOU NEXT TIME IT WONT BE SO EASY No obviously not. Probably 3P favoured tbh, but the confirmed townies tipped the scales further away from scum. It just wasn't quite part of the setup to happen that way. Xat I can't believe how long you believed VA's claim. That's because obs qt worked by PoE. It never read you town. ^^ | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:25 WaveofShadow wrote: JAT y u so angry as town We weren't completely sure and because VA was worried about RB getting confirmed by lack of a cop check if he tried to claim RB. And then he didn't claim it anyway lol It was in jest. Jesus. ^_^ | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:33 Xatalos wrote: ObsQT was SO wrong btw during D2 (about VA/Hapa) :D Well, I was also Cop and jat jailed Hapa so... I think I made it pretty obvious that I thought Vaynes claim was fishy but you don't lynch him in that situation because the other blue (you) did not claim. And how the hell am I supposed to know that the SK is some OP unblockable monster. | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:45 Xatalos wrote: Btw some harsh things were said about me in the ObsQT. I kind of agree, I didn't think through nearly everything I said and just talked about whatever at multiple points in the game (phoneposting / very late at night etc.). You also have to consider that I was Cop though and I actually tried to slightly encourage people suspecting me so that I would be absolutely safe during night. And me wanting to lynch VA is obviously explained by me being the Cop, and we couldn't have known that Hapa was "roleblocked" during the night which was actually only good... Well, of course it makes sense for you to go after vayne. I am not a fan of people trying to seem scummy because they are a role though (as can probably be seen by my play this game). Hapas towncase on you was absolutely spot on though and I would never have lynched you for it. | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Guys join the TS chat I would love to but it is almost 4 am and I have a huge paper due today. | ||
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On August 29 2014 10:56 Xatalos wrote: Honestly I think you should have played a bit less obvtown as JK You were basically more obvtown than GB+turtle hahahaIt was not hard to be more town than those 2. Apart from being confirmed of course I will never change my play in the slightest if I am blue and if everyone else would do the same people like vayne would have a bad time. Blue roles are overrated anyways. | ||
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On August 29 2014 22:59 marvellosity wrote: only thing i read when i briefly clicked on this game was obvtown-Kelsier calling obvtown-Xatalos mafia. Clicked about 5 different times and read a page and it's all I ever saw :p ^_^ That's basically like 40 % of the game in a nutshell yes. | ||
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On August 30 2014 01:33 Xatalos wrote: Even rayn scumread me all game though :/ I thought he was good at reading me but apparently not. I guess only you and Hapa can... Yeah, ignore the guy who told town several times to not lynch you and fought people over it. | ||
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On August 30 2014 03:01 Blazinghand wrote: Well, if there's one lesson we can take away from this it's that BH is good No. It is that BH needs to be confirmed town for town to win. | ||
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