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On August 26 2014 12:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I was just wondering if he was acting all wonky and not reading shit under your orders or something. 'Making plays' or some shit.
I hate that.
Do YOU think it's a good play right now for blues to claim?
Oh I was writing and my battery died 
I think Turtlevine is influenced by things we discuss in the thread. There is no orders given and he doesn't really need to think like me as we aren't hydra. I think we may have a compatibility of reads.
Now, I don't think it's a good time. Why would they? To make more certain VA is mafia? Then they get killed night 2. Awful trade.
Although I HAVE to admit that VA's claim could be legit. The timing doesn't fit with mafia motivation (he was under a little, but too little pressure to fake claim, and it would confirm him town, so townies wouldn't waste their times trying to read him), and his skills fits with the existence of a Godfather role and its role PM.
But the usage of skills is AWFUL and him nullifying his other skills by letting him die/being roleblocked is an awful play. It just fits a role that was built by mafia so they don't get questioned when they can't use their skills.
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On August 26 2014 12:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 12:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I was just wondering if he was acting all wonky and not reading shit under your orders or something. 'Making plays' or some shit.
I hate that.
Do YOU think it's a good play right now for blues to claim? Oh I was writing and my battery died I think Turtlevine is influenced by things we discuss in the thread. There is no orders given and he doesn't really need to think like me as we aren't hydra. I think we may have a compatibility of reads. Now, I don't think it's a good time. Why would they? To make more certain VA is mafia? Then they get killed night 2. Awful trade. Although I HAVE to admit that VA's claim could be legit. The timing doesn't fit with mafia motivation (he was under a little, but too little pressure to fake claim, and it would confirm him town, so townies wouldn't waste their times trying to read him), and his skills fits with the existence of a Godfather role and its role PM. But the usage of skills is AWFUL and him nullifying his other skills by letting him die/being roleblocked is an awful play. It just fits a role that was built by mafia so they don't get questioned when they can't use their skills.
Well technically many claims made by mafia could be covered up (ie cop check on Rayn for example) but I personally think the idea of JoaT with JK and confirmed masons is OP and impossible. As for Vayne's role use----his role use as town actually IS known to be fucking terrible (see I swear this is normal mini where Vayne did some absolutely retarded shit after getting a KP midgame for example). I don't think that's enough to give me pause however.
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GB who is your second choice of lynch today?
And if we choose not to lynch VA, is it then a good idea for blues to claim?
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I guess then i have nothing worth talking about so ill just go away now.
And honestly I've stood by my not lynching into an un ccd blue and i won't move from that. so i guess ill come back to vote later then
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On August 26 2014 12:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 12:52 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 12:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I was just wondering if he was acting all wonky and not reading shit under your orders or something. 'Making plays' or some shit.
I hate that.
Do YOU think it's a good play right now for blues to claim? Oh I was writing and my battery died I think Turtlevine is influenced by things we discuss in the thread. There is no orders given and he doesn't really need to think like me as we aren't hydra. I think we may have a compatibility of reads. Now, I don't think it's a good time. Why would they? To make more certain VA is mafia? Then they get killed night 2. Awful trade. Although I HAVE to admit that VA's claim could be legit. The timing doesn't fit with mafia motivation (he was under a little, but too little pressure to fake claim, and it would confirm him town, so townies wouldn't waste their times trying to read him), and his skills fits with the existence of a Godfather role and its role PM. But the usage of skills is AWFUL and him nullifying his other skills by letting him die/being roleblocked is an awful play. It just fits a role that was built by mafia so they don't get questioned when they can't use their skills. Well technically many claims made by mafia could be covered up (ie cop check on Rayn for example) but I personally think the idea of JoaT with JK and confirmed masons is OP and impossible. As for Vayne's role use----his role use as town actually IS known to be fucking terrible (see I swear this is normal mini where Vayne did some absolutely retarded shit after getting a KP midgame for example). I don't think that's enough to give me pause however.
Pretty balanced considering scum has 2 kill points each night and masons are completely powerless to catch mafia.
Regarding you second question: not good to claim blue. You seem to like this idea. Why?
Hapa is my second target. Btw, hapa, what do you think of lynching VA? If you already answered that, could you ease answer again?
I'm going to sleep now.
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On August 26 2014 13:04 Damdred wrote:
I guess then i have nothing worth talking about so ill just go away now.
And honestly I've stood by my not lynching into an un ccd blue and i won't move from that. so i guess ill come back to vote later then
Damdred, how in the hell someone would CC such a rare role? Almost impossible.
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Counting of votes:
Onegu (1): Xatalos, KelsierSC
Hapahauli (1): yamato77
VayneAuthority (5): WaveofShadow, Hapahauli, turtlevine, Xatalos, Xatalos, GlowingBear
KelsierSC (0): turtlevine
Xatalos (0): KelsierSC
Not voting (3): VayneAuthority, Damdred, Onegu
Currently VayneAuthority is set to be lynched.
Deadline is Wednesday, Aug 27 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
+ Show Spoiler [Vote counter log] +VOTE: WaveofShadow voted VayneAuthority ( post) VOTE: turtlevine voted KelsierSC ( post) VOTE: Hapahauli voted VayneAuthority ( post) VOTE: turtlevine unvoted KelsierSC ( post) VOTE: turtlevine voted VayneAuthority ( post) VOTE: Xatalos voted VayneAuthority ( post) VOTE: yamato77 voted Hapahauli ( post) VOTE: Xatalos unvoted VayneAuthority ( post) VOTE: Xatalos voted Onegu ( post) VOTE: Xatalos unvoted Onegu ( post) VOTE: Xatalos voted VayneAuthority ( post) VOTE: KelsierSC voted Xatalos ( post) VOTE: KelsierSC unvoted Xatalos ( post) VOTE: KelsierSC voted Onegu ( post) VOTE: GlowingBear voted VayneAuthority ( post)
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I mean I gave my reasoning for why I used my powers how I did, not sure what else I can do on that front.Misplaying my role in your eyes doesnt really have anything to do with making me scummy, or we would lynch oatsmaster every game.
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On August 26 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I gave my reasoning for why I used my powers how I did, not sure what else I can do on that front.Misplaying my role in your eyes doesnt really have anything to do with making me scummy, or we would lynch oatsmaster every game.
It's actually the main reason. And cl aiming now nullifies all your other really important skills. Why doing that?
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On August 26 2014 13:04 Damdred wrote:
I guess then i have nothing worth talking about so ill just go away now.
And honestly I've stood by my not lynching into an un ccd blue and i won't move from that. so i guess ill come back to vote later then
Don't go all emo on me.
If you think there's something to discuss, go ahead and say something.
On August 26 2014 13:06 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 12:57 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 26 2014 12:52 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 12:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
I was just wondering if he was acting all wonky and not reading shit under your orders or something. 'Making plays' or some shit.
I hate that.
Do YOU think it's a good play right now for blues to claim? Oh I was writing and my battery died I think Turtlevine is influenced by things we discuss in the thread. There is no orders given and he doesn't really need to think like me as we aren't hydra. I think we may have a compatibility of reads. Now, I don't think it's a good time. Why would they? To make more certain VA is mafia? Then they get killed night 2. Awful trade. Although I HAVE to admit that VA's claim could be legit. The timing doesn't fit with mafia motivation (he was under a little, but too little pressure to fake claim, and it would confirm him town, so townies wouldn't waste their times trying to read him), and his skills fits with the existence of a Godfather role and its role PM. But the usage of skills is AWFUL and him nullifying his other skills by letting him die/being roleblocked is an awful play. It just fits a role that was built by mafia so they don't get questioned when they can't use their skills. Well technically many claims made by mafia could be covered up (ie cop check on Rayn for example) but I personally think the idea of JoaT with JK and confirmed masons is OP and impossible. As for Vayne's role use----his role use as town actually IS known to be fucking terrible (see I swear this is normal mini where Vayne did some absolutely retarded shit after getting a KP midgame for example). I don't think that's enough to give me pause however. Pretty balanced considering scum has 2 kill points each night and masons are completely powerless to catch mafia. Regarding you second question: not good to claim blue. You seem to like this idea. Why? Hapa is my second target. Btw, hapa, what do you think of lynching VA? If you already answered that, could you ease answer again? I'm going to sleep now.
'Scum' doesn't have 2 KP but I've played games on this forum with SK and I don't think I've ever seen a combination this strong. I would expect JK/some kind of cop or vig/mason.
I seem to like this idea because a lot of people are bluefishing at a time where it's not necessary, and blatantly so. Damdred, Hapa and yamato are all doing it I believe. I actually don't mind yamato's answers on the subject as he seemed pretty damn confident when I bothered him. Damdred is just doing his usual thing of sheeping along with the idea of 'hey bad we shouldn't lynch uncced blue' and I forget what hapa said atm.
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On August 26 2014 13:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 13:04 Damdred wrote:
I guess then i have nothing worth talking about so ill just go away now.
And honestly I've stood by my not lynching into an un ccd blue and i won't move from that. so i guess ill come back to vote later then Damdred, how in the hell someone would CC such a rare role? Almost impossible.
There is probably only one blue role left either its VA or the unclaimed person. I think 4 fits the setup. But VAs claim makes sense atm to me.
Either way va has 5 votes so really doesn't matter if their is another nlue should just let it ride i suppose. but i wobt vote for VA
so cc isn't. the right phrase i guess
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Also interestingly enough, Damdred hasn't voted----the only thing we know from him is we shouldn't be lynching VA and he thinks the people everyone else has already brought up are scummy.
Mucho interestingo.
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On August 26 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I gave my reasoning for why I used my powers how I did, not sure what else I can do on that front.Misplaying my role in your eyes doesnt really have anything to do with making me scummy, or we would lynch oatsmaster every game.
LOL
It's hilarious and true
Well the Oats part.
You haven't fucked up nearly as often as he has and I know you're a very capable scum player who doesn't just forget to do shit.
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On August 26 2014 13:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I gave my reasoning for why I used my powers how I did, not sure what else I can do on that front.Misplaying my role in your eyes doesnt really have anything to do with making me scummy, or we would lynch oatsmaster every game. It's actually the main reason. And cl aiming now nullifies all your other really important skills. Why doing that?
i dont get lynched often so I panic at the sight of slightly being lynched
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/415754-i-swear-this-is-normal-mini-mafia
this game is a good example. im the cop here and everyone starts piling on me so I claim cop very early so we have time to figure out the correct lynch.
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i have work tomorrow so ill be back a few hours before deadline hopefully.
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On August 26 2014 13:19 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 13:10 GlowingBear wrote:On August 26 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
I mean I gave my reasoning for why I used my powers how I did, not sure what else I can do on that front.Misplaying my role in your eyes doesnt really have anything to do with making me scummy, or we would lynch oatsmaster every game. It's actually the main reason. And cl aiming now nullifies all your other really important skills. Why doing that? i dont get lynched often so I panic at the sight of slightly being lynched http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/415754-i-swear-this-is-normal-mini-mafiathis game is a good example. im the cop here and everyone starts piling on me so I claim cop very early so we have time to figure out the correct lynch.
I want to see if Hapa remembers that game because there were a lot of other factors involved, such as the fact that you could get protection from the mayor. (Fuck I'm still sad I smurfslipped. I should try smurfing again in a game)
Not to mention you actually actively participated in that game and in this one you have maybe 3 posts worth of real content that isn't defending yourself or useless.
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On August 26 2014 12:30 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 11:31 yamato77 wrote:
I love how damdred and wave were Hapa's top scumreads in the night and now they are top town with me to everyone else.
0% chance Hapa is suddenly this bad of a player just because of a break.
Also 0% chance we lynch VA today. Since when are they my top town reads?
That's why it says everyone else, Hapa
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On August 26 2014 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 09:54 Damdred wrote:
I'm amazed not that i don't think xata is scummy but you agreed he wasn't the lynch and yet you waste your vote....why exactly? At the start of the day I said he wasn't the lynch But with Recent developments with regards to Xata and Hapa pushing on VA and further analysis of the claim and NK's. He is just much scummier than anyone by miles. Onegu is probably mafia but in my opinion he is more of a coinflip right now than Xata who is 100% mafia. If it comes to lynching onegu and someone who I think is town then I will switch but otherwise I have no reason not to vote my top scum read. read my filter for recent developments on why Xata is scum.
I'm amazed how I'm "100% mafia" when I've 1) lynched Mafia D1 2) played exactly like I always play as town 3) been the most active player in the game (like usually as town) 4) showed a lot of interest in who actually gets lynched D1 (which I never do as scum).
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On August 26 2014 11:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2014 10:42 KelsierSC wrote:
If top town don't think Xata is the lynch that is fine but I just wanted my point of view out there
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##Vote Onegu Horrible shift, man. Horrible. Just because top townies says they don't think Xat is mafia, why would you change your vote solely on that? If you have a scum read, you have to push it firmly! How's people judging VA's claim now? I've just got home, can't catch up because I'm awfully tired.
No it's not a horrible shift at all considering I have called onegu scum multiple times. I have pushed the case on Xat for the whole game , people know where I stand, if he is not the target or under consideration then I am not leaving my vote there.
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Like go see Intrigue for example. Things started to go bad for me later on D1 (as scum) and I just went AFK and hoped for the best. In the earlier Titanic game (as scum) things started to go bad for me during D3 and I just claimed scum and started to communicate with the SK + WIFOM townies. While as town I always remain active around the deadline even under pressure.
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