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Everyday like the one before. Little town full of little people, waking up to say. ¡HIJOLE! ¡HIJOLE! ¡HIJOLE! ¡HIJOLE! | ||
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Jenny, you're looking as beautiful as you ever do, morning noon or night. But the evil and wicked ones have assumed the visage of our dearest ones. I will be looking into your heart to find where your true alignment lies. | ||
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On August 26 2014 15:21 JennyHell wrote: and enjoy the sloooooooooooooooow snail ride to town victory! Maybe I'm too much of a newbie, but isn't this the opposite of true? More activity means we can be assured to hunt down the wicked ones. | ||
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On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote: I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys - What alignment did you get?(town or scum) What were you hoping to get? What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies? Firstly, I am very wary of those who ask general questions, without providing their own answers first. Same goes for Jenny's MBK list, although I think it's way too early for that. At this point I think anyone could be a wicked one, and I'm not about to start trusting a single person until the day goes on. Of Lynch all Lurkers, this has been invoked on me a couple of times so I have mixed feelings about it. It stands to reason that if there is no solid lynch candidate, to target a lurker on policy. It's always better to try and lynch a wicked one though. The greatest purpose of this policy is to make the scum fearful of lurking. Lynch all Liars I don't believe in. In my experience, scum have been very careful about what they say to avoid lies and contradictions. Townsfolk will change their reads when they realise they've been tricked. It's a very townie trait to be changing it up as the day goes on. On the other hand, it's important to watch the MBK lists especially from D2 onwards. If you see someone giving a marry or a kill without good reason, chances are they are scum. Votes are the most important thing, if someone votes for a princess who's not on their kill list, be worried. On August 26 2014 15:42 JennyHell wrote: I think town have the chance to win either way, if we play it out correctly. If it's a slow ride, then nothing much to do about it. We can't force people to talk.. Unless we treat them like we treated you, meatpizza, and look where that got us... I had you night 1 though.. I had you meatpimp! I tried to call the hounds off, but noone listened to me, even though I was killed. You are correct though that it is easier to scum hunt if people are being active, because you have more to go from. The same way it's also easier to read people town that way. Let's just hope the activity picks up. Who knows, we might be riding Turbo soon enough! (Sorry Disney for bringing in Pixar references!) No harm Jenny, you played a good game. | ||
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On August 26 2014 17:09 JennyHell wrote: I have yet to give a MBK list, because it's way too early. I merely explained what it all meant and suggested that we should all use that format. Don't see what's scummy about that.. Unless you are a dryball that doesn't appreciate bringing fun in to things, which you yourself expressed earlier that you thought it was obligatory that we brought some flavour into this disney game. I agree it is way too early. I'm not objecting to the use of the format, I love it. I think that asking people to give reads so early is meaningless. (Should be obvious) | ||
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On August 26 2014 17:10 abuse wrote: @ meatpudding, Fair enough - I am town and was hoping for a town power role. Waiting for your answer to this also. As for the policies, I have explained my stance a little above. You seem to have a bit little different view on the lynch all liars policy. How I see is, if you get caught lying - not explain it yourself, beforehand, and why you are changing your mind, then it is scummy and you deserve a lynch. Town does not have a reason to lie, without a reason (if you catch my drift). If a lie like that is caught, then this policy would take effect. I'm VT and that's the only role I've played before. I like it. I guess there is a distinction between a lie told on purpose and a change of opinion. | ||
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On August 26 2014 11:38 JennyHell wrote: May I also suggest that we all give reads in Bang, Marry, Kill format? It's something I started on DailyMafia and will continue here, whether you like it or not ;D Upon re-reading I think that is what you were trying to say. I thought that you were asking us to give reads right away. | ||
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MihZaaa I like that you're being cautious on Jenny. That reads town to me. What do you think about lynch all lurkers now that the day has progressed some? I'm not reading into any activity levels as alignment indicative especially when just over half the players have posted anything. Your reads on Superbia are more or less what I was thinking. I'm not sure if you decided to scum read him or if you are neutral, care to elaborate? Barakos You're paying attention which is good. Calling out Superbia's claim that I claimed is important. It's probably the most alignment indicative moment so far (for Superbia). But off he is doing a lot of work to be productive. Your thoughts on Superbia are acceptable. +1 abuse Your first post seemed a bit suspicious to me. I'm not sure why you felt the need to be so direct. I hope you can bring some more insight into what you have learned so far. On August 27 2014 04:22 abuse wrote: @ Suburbia, [...] I also completely disagree on your rating. Seems a little weird that you give minuses for some points (seriously? -0.5 because you think that warning you that I am vocal in my games and will push people who i find scummy - to be a preface for possibly scummy play), yet you comment on much of Jenny's stuff, along with "scummy reference, careful now!" but still give her no minuses. Sounds like blind agreement to someone who is the most vocal at the moment, while at the moment Jenny really has not done anything yet that would classify as real town. Only neutral. [...] Though there are no real reads possible at the moment, I feel a townie vibe from the exact opposite people you do. I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner, unlike you. Jenny seems neutral, since most of the stuff she says is positive(read: happy'ish) yet does not really show anything much about her alignment at the moment. Though I will agree that she does not give any scum vibes yet. I'm agreeing with your thoughts here. Best analysis so far and enough to put you in my town circe for now. There are too many unanswered questions, mainly what did you get from your opening and how are your reads shaping up. Superbia Your first epic was a bit hard to read, with so many jokes and serious comments I wasn't sure if I could hold you to anything you said there. The comment about the soft claim by me? Wicked. You said yourself that you have private reads, so if you thought that I don't see why posting it would help the town. I like your tentative read on Jenny, I am being careful to side with her too soon. Pushing me to be more proactive? Good. Did you miss the part where abuse said his alignment and that he supports lynch all rulers and liars? On August 27 2014 05:07 Superbia wrote: In all honesty, I feel like a cop would never soft-claim like this. I also don't think a mafia would ever blatantly soft-claim like this (if it was a soft claim to begin with, would love to hear from MeatComputer) I already revealed my role so why are you still fishing for a claim when it was an obvious dose of flavour? Your vote for Breshke was just to get him talking, right? Not following your case on abuse at all. -1 JennyHell Overall you are being very townie, which I'm sure you could play as either alignment. There is literally nothing I can take a solid read from here. You are moving the conversation which is great, but I don't see you pushing any agenda whether it is for the town or wicked ones. All I see is you trying to protect yourself. I will just have to wait for your MBK towards the end of the day. lilwade, gobbledydook, Breshke, Daydreamarine *crickets chirp* True as it can be abuse Would invite you to the ball MihZaa Barakos JennyHell Kill the beast! Superbia Nobody lurks like Gaston lilwade gobbledydook Breshke Daydreamarine | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:55 Superbia wrote: Lines have been drawn! Jenny & lilwade, what do you think of MeatPerson's push? How is his behaviour compared to the previous game? MeatProfessional, you say you agree with my tentative read on Jenny, yet agree with abuse on the following Care to elaborate? Sounds like you are saying the same things about Jenny to me. She hasn't actually done anything that would put her in my town circle. She looks like she is trying to defend herself, rather that win the game for town. Not enough for me to give a scum read yet, but she's certainly not confirmed town. If I've missed the point of your question you could clarify. | ||
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On August 27 2014 08:59 Superbia wrote: Also, MeatPencil, would you mind going over my mafia thesis on abuse (post #179) and tell me your thoughts? Especially since he's high in your town circle. Please tell me where and why you disagree. Thanks!  Here's the link to your post. 1. I don't see abuse as making a promise to read the other newbie game, and if he was it couldn't be alignment indicative. Anyone could read that thread or not, and we'll see if he decides to lurk more. I have posed some questions for him that need to be answered if he wants to stay my princess charming. 2. I don't follow how this statement could allow abuse to cover up his scummy play. Are you trying to say that if he pushes for a lynch and they flip town, he will say 'I was just being vocal' as a cover? 3. Somehow I suspect the hard push is coming. Also, how does giving misinformation about your MBK list help town in any way? You've mentioned your private points list a couple of times but I'm not convinced it's going to help us. 4. Good point, it may have been too early to reveal his reasoning here. As for the why, both me and Barakos called him out for asking us to provide information, when he wasn't giving us anything to read from. So I think he was forced to back up a bit. And if you check page 7, he does answer all the questions (I note this in my case on you). "this makes it feel like there is much more substance behind the questions than there actually is" Me too. I'm waiting for him to jump back in the thread, and hopefully not too late. 5. Maybe you're right. But is it indicative of abuse's alignment? It could be scummy to hunt for roles, so maybe. But def a weak weak read. As for abuse's reply that often people don't answer before they ask, I think this is a scum trait because, as I said above, it doesn't give town any way to read the person asking the questions. So this could lead to abuse being scummy but not for the reason you've stated. This is something abuse needs to clear up asap. 6. The thread has started slow, so not everyone has given reads. Some people have not even posted. By now, however, I think it's a good time to give some reads. Note that Jenny for example hasn't given any reads either and you don't push a case on her. 7. Relates back to 2. 8. You seem to have missed most of what abuse said on page 7 (see point 4) so I think he has a good point that you are rushing. Finally, 9. I'm inclined to agree mainly with abuse here. You and I seem to be reading the opposite and it makes you look wicked to me. | ||
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On August 27 2014 11:26 gobbledydook wrote: abuse So look at this post 1) He's being rather defensive. It's been like one day into the game and no one has voted yet though already he is trying so hard to deflect any attacks on him. If he were town, he would be actually trying to make reads and analyse and contribute, instead of spending 2 big posts on explaining himself and arguing on semantics and fairness. Which ties onto the second point: 2) His reads are vague, general and useless. It's the easiest thing to say in the world that 'someone is town because he posts a lot of good stuff' and that's basically all he said. It's so easy for a scum to say that and look like he's given reads. Meanwhile look at his scum reads - '404 ERROR NOT FOUND'. ##Vote: abuse for being scum. I'm not going to try to defend abuse until he posts some more, and even then only if I still get a town read from him. However your reasoning could be applied to half the people in this thread, including yourself. You're not making much sense. | ||
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On August 27 2014 13:35 gobbledydook wrote: meatpudding is abuse's scumbuddy ... This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good' It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying. EBWOP fixed quotes I'm happen to agree with what he was saying at that point. That is, Jenny is neutral (not enough positive action to put her in the town circle) and Barakos and MihZaaa are leaning town. Is there anything specific you would like me to elaborate on? What is it about the abuse quote I posted that you disagree with? Also, what is your reads on Jenny and Barakos? You haven't put out a town read on anybody yet, you need to more than just point fingers. For now I'm going to say that I don't read you as scum yet, but if you are town you need to help a lot more. | ||
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On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote: [...] meatpudding: I disagree with your read on abuse, especially with calling this part: good analysis. This is a part I find especially scummy about abuse, since it shows, he hasn't read superbias post completely or is intentionally disregarding superbias change of mind on jenny just to make a point against one of the more towny people. Would you mind, rereading superbias post with a special filter on his tells on jenny and tell me, if you still think abuses post is good analysis? [...] I'm not sure which Superbia post you mean, but I guess this one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22846552. I'm interested that you find it scummy. I don't feel that way (from this post). Although he's inactivity now is worrying me. I'll be asleep when he's back online and when I wake up it will be close to end of day. Not good. What do you think he's trying to say? It seems to me that he is being wary of JennyHell, saying that just because she is vocal it's not necessarily a town trait. At the end of Superbia's post he says Jenny is in his town circle, but abuse is pointing out that Jenny hasn't actually done anything helpful to town. She's doing great at keeping the conversation flowing, but she hasn't given any reads, and I'm not getting any good read on her. So as I have said a few times, I'm hesitant to put her in my circle. I think this is what abuse is saying and that's how I agree with it. I don't think it contradicts Superbia at all because Superbia did say Jenny is in his town circle, and abuse is pointing out that she didn't receive any minuses in that post, when she probably could have. There's not much there of substance about you, Barakos, except for this: You said: On Jenny: I think Jenny is playing very similar to the last Newbie-Mafia and trys to get the thread going / is very vocal, so seeing that she was town the last game, I read her as town for now, although i am not very sure, since she stated herself: And Superbia said: 87.31% agreement! At least I think that's what he's agreeing to. Hmmm. | ||
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GG Dook. If only you had've spent more time making a case on your scum reads instead of flaming. Catch-up post incoming. | ||
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On August 28 2014 17:17 abuse wrote: As for due to other's points on them, Breshke and Mihzaa have gone down in the list for me towards null-maybe-scum territory, Would be willing explore their play deeper. lilwade, can you please elaborate and explain your read on Mihzaaa? Jenny, can you do the same for Breshke, except for him not giving info on everyone at once, and having a null on 4 people? While I do not like that he did not give reads on everyone but just on a few people, as I have mentioned before. And I don't really mind with having a null read on 4 people, what I do mind though, is not telling others that you have 4 null reads, instead of not mentioning these 4 at all. Meat - what do you think of all this? I would extend the scum-circle to Breshke, MihZaaa and lilwade, though not necessarily in that order. I will explain. | ||
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I'm interested in your interactions with Mihzaaa On August 27 2014 06:01 Barakos wrote: Mihzaaaa - i got a hard time reading him. I will have to look closer at his filter to make up my mind. Right now i get a feeling, that he could be town. On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote: MihZaaa: I am still very unsure about you. After he replies how do you feel? On August 27 2014 22:28 MihZaaa wrote: Barakos Don't mind explaining at all. When I was typing that abuses last few messages hadn't gotten through yet ( I didn't refresh the page before posting). He was my scummy read out of the ones that contributed and hadn't been responding for a while at that time. The other scum read was lilwade and he barely spoke. And all the rest were not present. Does this give the information you were looking for? How are you leaning on Mihzaaa tonight? On another note, On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote: meatpudding: I disagree with your read on abuse, especially with calling this part: good analysis. This is a part I find especially scummy about abuse, since it shows, he hasn't read superbias post completely or is intentionally disregarding superbias change of mind on jenny just to make a point against one of the more towny people. Would you mind, rereading superbias post with a special filter on his tells on jenny and tell me, if you still think abuses post is good analysis? After I answered this for you, you haven't followed up on anything that I asked. Could you update your thoughts on me and abuse? On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote: gobbledydook: I didn't like you, coming in the thread and 15 lines of content later you claim to have discovered a scumduo. While I agree with you on abuse having some very suspicious posts, I dislike that you completely discard the fact, that it was his posts that got the thread going in the end. Would you care to bring forward some more points that back up your vote and make me believe that you actually read the whole thread and not just some posts that led you to believe, abuse is scum? I like this. You're giving Dook a chance to back up his wild statements which is fair. But then On August 28 2014 01:16 Barakos wrote: So you are trying to scare people away from voting to lynch you by saying "Don't vote for me, cause if you do, everybody will know I am a princess, which makes you scum?" Your overall appearance here in this thread looks pretty bad up until now. You hop in, you post some stuff, put a vote down, shortly afterwards take back everything you said, don't answer any question directed at you and on top of it all, you also explain that we shouldn't expect any more out of you, since this you are not a high volume poster and just randomly hop in and out of threads? Where is your effort to solve this game? I can't see it and the way you put it, you make it look like you are also not very interested in putting any effort into it. ##vote gobbledydook Ok, I can't really blame anyone for voting Dook when he had no defence. I am leaning town on you but I would really like to see you follow through on your pushes. Abuse On August 27 2014 19:15 abuse wrote: lilwade My read on him is quite complex, but for the sake of simplicity I would like to call him null for now. As for the other things, what he says and analyzes are to my liking, though they are not anything big in particular. I like his jump on gobbledygook. I am a little concerned about one thing wade said, but will not bring it to light yet, as I need more info. Either way - If the tables would suddenly turn in this thread, I would not be okay with lynching him today. So you had a slight scumread on lilwade partway through the day. Are you able to tell us about the 'complexity' of your read here? I like your responses to Superbia. You kept up with providing responses and I think made a good effort to keep him on track. I think your responses to Superbia are the main reason to keep you in my town pile. On August 27 2014 19:41 abuse wrote: gobbledydook This is my biggest scumread . Does not indulge in any chatter at all. Does not give any input, until he just appears to instantly vote. This is a slight worry, but you did give reasoning behind it so we are able to read your logic. I'm so sorry abuse. You're just too mysterious and after everything that's happened I can't go through with our proposed marriage. We can still bang though. Breshke Ok your first list of reads was missing some names but there were some lurkers at the time so I'm ok with that. On August 28 2014 08:06 Breshke wrote: lilwade I have liked all of lilwades posts. I agreed with most of his reads in post 109. I also liked his reactions to dooks first few posts and the fact that he didn't push too aggressively when he misread the one with stuffed up quotes. Although why when talking about day 1 lynches do you not suggest the person you are currently voting for? Is this because you don't think they would get the required votes? On August 28 2014 08:10 lilwade wrote: You can fuck right off with this post. My top 3 scum are MihZaaa, Dreamweaver and Gobbledick with his last post. This interaction between you and lilwade caught my attention. You say you agree with his reads, can you please help me understand why lilwade is in your town circle? Then you go from On August 27 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote: So hears some of my thoughts so far MihZaaa His first few posts made me feel uneasy as first he commented on how he thought jenny would change her play style as to avoid being killed during the night as town and then went on to say he likes being a town power role as it is easier to not get yourself lynched. To me this just feels like a bad mindset for the majority of towns people as survival isn’t what most of us should be worried about. I havn't actually been able to get any other reads from everything else he has said to On August 28 2014 08:14 Breshke wrote: Ohh and i forgot this Towncircle abuse lilwade meatpudding Scum MihZaa Gobbledydook Everyone else not leaning enough either way for me yet Why? | ||
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Not sure what to make of you right now. You're tunnelling hard and I think you need to branch out a bit. You back out on your thesis a bit after being pulled up on some points. The thing is you keep trying to justify it by saying those points are not important. Instead you should be trying to highlight the points that are important, and you've failed to do that. Please update and justify your reads. On August 27 2014 22:19 Superbia wrote: I kind of like your first train on thought. However, there hadn't been that many analyses yet at this point in the game (this was the second one besides my big post) so I don't think you can fault him that much? It'll be interesting to see how meat aligns with abuse during the rest of the day/game, however. I like that you are keeping an eye on how I am aligning with abuse. I feel safe giving you a town pass. MihZaaa Ok, you're keeping your eyes on me and abuse as well, that's good. On August 27 2014 22:16 MihZaaa wrote: It's so scummy that both of you are defending the other hard for things that aren't even that good reads/ town plays. ... You guys are either both mafia or both town. But, I didn't see you post an answer to this. Dodging questions looks scummy to me. On August 27 2014 15:46 Barakos wrote: MihZaaa: I am still very unsure about you. Would you mind explaining the following: You complain about your scum-suspects not contributing enough yet you put abuse, one of the most vocal ones in this thread so far as most scummy? I feel like you are contradicting yourself here. Especially since your post was right after two posts of abuse. I don't think much of this not-very-in-depth analasys. On August 27 2014 08:08 MihZaaa wrote: Ill go to sleep now but before I go I'll leave some thoughts. From least scummy to most. Barakos Superbia and JennyHell Abuse People who haven't contributed enough: Lilwade Meatpudding Breshke Gobbledydook and Daydreamarine With lilwade contributing the most out of those 5. Out of the people I have gotten reads on I would lynch abuse the most but he's been much more useful to the town than the lurkers so I can't be happy with lynching him. I do think that the vote on abuse is still a little early and I'm not sure where I stand on Superbia already voting on 2 people in less than 24 hours. Every possible setup included 2 mafia so I would have liked to have a general idea of 2 scummy people by now but the scarcity of contribution does not allow me to do that. Makes another mention of lilwade as scum-read: On August 27 2014 22:28 MihZaaa wrote: Barakos Don't mind explaining at all. When I was typing that abuses last few messages hadn't gotten through yet ( I didn't refresh the page before posting). He was my scummy read out of the ones that contributed and hadn't been responding for a while at that time. The other scum read was lilwade and he barely spoke. And all the rest were not present. And in the end you voted for Dook. I think things are not looking good for you heading into day 2. | ||
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We can't win this fight without you young man! JennyHell On August 28 2014 02:21 JennyHell wrote: meatplayer You're being a bit different from last time we played together. It could have something to do with the fact that we actually didn't get to play that much last time with me dying and you being inactive. that said, I've liked your reads so far, although I'm not sure about MihZaaaa, and I'd like to see what more you can give further in to the game. Ok this looks good to me. I like your call on MihZaaa and I am starting to think something along those lines. I would like you to perhaps go into some detail. You said you have been flip-flopping on this so some pushing would be in order to sort things out. All game you have been referring to me and lilwade from the previous game. This worries me a little bit. Ofc you can try to 'meta' some playstyles but I'm worried you might carry some reads over. I don't like that you have been referring to it as often as you have (I know you were asked about it). On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote: MihZaaaa - I don't know how to read you. You're flip floppy and I get flip floppy on you. I don't like being flip floppy. I'm fine with you dying. I'm interested in your thoughts on this as well as Breshke. Who is your top scum now? After the wagon started you retracted on Dook and encouraged the scumhunt. The WIFOM is that he was going to be lynched anyway so mafia had everything to gain by looking innocent. Overall I'm giving you a bang as things pan out. lilwade lilwade has been a bit too quiet all game. Then here On August 27 2014 12:09 lilwade wrote: I dont like that you come out of the woodwork and hop on someone elses boat. Instead of letting people analzye your post, you just come out with push on someone who has been getting picked at almost more than anyone else in the game. You accusing someone of vague, general, and useless when you have provided a poor case imo. your second post I didnt get quotes with that but what i did gather is this "Though there are no real reads possible at the moment," Why then are you voting for someone? What does that gain the town, i get you like to push people but a day 1 mislynch is not what we want in a 9 person game. Posts a reply to Dook of all people. Maybe lilwade just jumps into the thread at the wrong time but seems to me he could have been lurking, waiting for a donkey post to form a wagon on. Votes for MihZaaa without a good cause. On August 28 2014 07:16 lilwade wrote: MihZaaa Here you can see him flip flop around he claims his least town was "abuse" after the gobbledydook posts and yet he still comes in with the one liner post voting for gobbledydook. A person that does not have their own opinion is more detrimental to town than anything else. His filter kinda jumps around from person to person and doesnt really give scum insight. ##vote MihZaaa The reasoning here I can't quite follow. Are you calling MihZaaa scummy? Or are you voting on policy? What you said here is vague. If you think MihZaaa should be lynched I would like to see a case built up over the next day. Right after you flip flop on Dook as well. On August 28 2014 07:35 lilwade wrote: Right now I dont feel like either Gobbledydook or superbia are good day 1 lynches, Out of the 2 I would probably go with gobbledydook. Jenny do you think that these two are the right for the bandwagon??? Why are you sheeping Jen so hard? How do you know she's town? In fact I have no info on your town circle at all. Then, On August 28 2014 09:24 lilwade wrote: If we get momentum going for MihZaaa I will go for it Still prepared to vote for MihZaaa, but no case. Would like to hear more about why you think he's scummy. You are top scum for me at the moment. | ||
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