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JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Make me the princess I feel like on the inside. | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
I have awoken from my much needed slumber and now we are going to hop to it, there's no time to flounder about! You all heard the fairy godmothers! First on the agenda is... Complimenting the magnificent mod of this wonderful event. - The flavour text was exquisite. Good job! Now, to more pressing matters. Since when did you do flavour meatpie? Don't get me wrong it's refreshing, but is it towny? I don't recall you doing it last game, although you were getting beaten quite hard (not by abuse) by almost everyone so I guess all you really had time for was defending yourself. Needless to say, I have my eyes on you. lilwade, lilwade, wherefore art thou, lilwade?! On the mountain tonight? How can I follow you if there's no footprint to be seen? Superbia! My name isn't evil at all. Hell is a Swedish surname and does not mean the counterpart of "heaven". Just fyi. I do however agree that abuse is bang out of order! We'll just have to wait and see what he's got to hit us with. May I also suggest that we all give reads in Bang, Marry, Kill format? It's something I started on DailyMafia and will continue here, whether you like it or not ;D | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
It's hard to say exactly what his towngame is, for me, because all that happened was that he was being harassed and had to defend himself. He wasn't very active during the day and I guess a lot of people wanted to go for the "safelynch" so to speak. Sadly enough he was one of the two wagons we had, and he sadly ended up being town. He was put in a very awkward situation with only a couple of hours to try to sway everyone elses votes. He tried to bring up some scummy things other people had done during the day, as his defense, which ended up with him looking as though he was defending both the people on the chopping block. I don't necessarily think, now afterwards, that it was truly intended but it is what it is. The other guy was lynched and in the night I went through the entire topic again and did some major calculations(1+1=2) and realized that way too many were going on him. He was probably town. I voiced my opinion and was killed during that first night. First mafia game, first to get killed by mafia.. Rudeness! I guess I have myself to blame for being too towny. Everyone read me town that game and I had 2 people who was ride or die with me. I'll let you know though, if anything out of the ordinary, based on what I've seen, shows up in meatpickle's posts. Just like I did with his sudden interest in flavouring it up. meatproud: Flattery will get you a long way, but not far enough to be my beloved spouse. You will have to work much harder than that. | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Expect more of that btw. The bang marry kill works a bit like this: Bang - someone you think is town or leaning town, so you'd be willing to engage in a 1 time goodtime, giggity, and then they will have to keep prove themselves if they want to keep getting it. Marry - This is your number 1. Your top town, the one you are willing to go to the end with. Ofc, like irl you can apply for a divorce should a skeleton come out of the closet. But this is to signify who you want to align yourself with during the game. Kill - This one should be obv. Everyone who isn't a bang or a marry ends up in this category. If you want to can make a kill list of who should be dead first, and the others will have to lick your dirty boots to get back on your good side. Hopefully that will make people see now how I do it, and feel free to do it yourselves if you want to. Also, if you find someone you don't want to hookup with and also don't really feel like killing, I guess you could add a null area for those that do nothing for you. But try to not make that one too large, because it's really difficult for us other townies to discern those kinds of reads. Gobblegobblegobble, welcome my fair maiden. God will not save us here, we will have to take matters into our own hands and solve this puzzle the best way we know how! Kill people and search their pockets for wicked dust that have turned those ugly faces into a beautiful facade. | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
It wasn't awful at all! I didn't read it, I sang it out loud! Maybe a better word at the end would have been mob? Sort of similar to mafia and only one syllable, so it rolls better off the tongue. Or maybe even better!!! SCUM! To defeat the scuuuum!! | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Singing is awesome! We need to sing with all the voices of the mountains! My thoughts so far aren't many, but here we go. 1. I hope for more activity! This is painfully slow. But I'm assuming it's odd hours at all places of the world so just hold on nor necessarily super tight, because it's not needed right now, and enjoy the sloooooooooooooooow snail ride to town victory! 2. meatpatty is currently being different than what you and I are used to, lilwade, based on the last game. So I'm keeping my eyes on him. 3. Barakos crashes in and slams a good one on superbia. However, I didn't really like it. I like that he's aware of what happened in the last newbie game, because it shows some sort of interest and effort in wanting enough pre-info to be able to read the game correctly. Which probably also mean he is willing to filter dive us all from previous games, and that can only be a good thing. Now to the fact that I didn't really like what he said. Superbia was first to post and the startups are always trolly and odd. He made a similar joke as someone else did last newbie game with me and DC being scummy because of our names. Low and behold, it's not something you can read anyone from. Therefore, I don't think that Barakos can nor should read too much in to #1 post made in day 1, nor should he focus on peoples forum handles being scummy. That said, I don't think he is, or at least hope he isn't. Time will tell! 4. Some of you have made me sing already which is lovely.. But let's not make this into a claim-fest because it may out good roles and help hide scum. 5. I also appreciated that Superbia came out and asked what a typical town read on meatpillow would be. I would suggest he filter dives meatpole's previous games to get a better knowledge himself. | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 26 2014 15:35 meatpudding wrote: Maybe I'm too much of a newbie, but isn't this the opposite of true? More activity means we can be assured to hunt down the wicked ones. I think town have the chance to win either way, if we play it out correctly. If it's a slow ride, then nothing much to do about it. We can't force people to talk.. Unless we treat them like we treated you, meatpizza, and look where that got us... I had you night 1 though.. I had you meatpimp! I tried to call the hounds off, but noone listened to me, even though I was killed. You are correct though that it is easier to scum hunt if people are being active, because you have more to go from. The same way it's also easier to read people town that way. Let's just hope the activity picks up. Who knows, we might be riding Turbo soon enough! (Sorry Disney for bringing in Pixar references!) | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 26 2014 16:19 abuse wrote: Hello people~ I see people have taken note of my name already - which is lovely. Seems like timezones are quite an issue in this game, as the voting was very close and in the end the less fortunate time for me was voted in, and due to this the phases change at *drumroll* 4 am for me. Which is awesome + Show Spoiler + not really Hopefully the reason that a few people have not posted yet is the timezones, as it sucks quite hard if people have to be replaced early on due to inactivity.. I have read quite a lot through the previous newbie game, though not the first days (when Jenny was still alive). I might have to look more into it later. I also want to note that I am usually quite vocal in my games and like to push people who I find suspicious. (Push hard if the regular pushes have no effect on getting a reaction from the person in question.) I want to start this all off with a few simple questions for you guys - What alignment did you get?(town or scum) What were you hoping to get? What do you think of the Lynch all Lurkers and Lynch all Liars policies? Hello darling, I see you've come in and hit us with some questions. I will approach those soon enough, but let me start with punching you back. You said you've read quite a lot of the previous newbie game, but not the first days. Was it someone in particular you were trying to get info on by doing that? Because only 3 of the people from the previous game is currently playing and if you say "Not the first days" dayS, means more than 1 right? I died n1, and meatpicture was lynched d2, so the only one you could possibly have seen that might be benificial for this game is lilwade. I'd defo urge you to read day 1 and 2 as well, otherwise your dive into the previous game is almost completely fruitless. Just fyi. Now to your questions, although I can see why someone would make such a play, I'm not a huge fan of it. Too easy for scum to hide. But I'll indulge you. Else you might just hit me again. I am top town, yay me! Couldn't care less if I was mafia or town. I like the game in general and don't care which side of the spectrum I am on. The policies all depend on who fall under those categories. I prefer to try to read people based on what they have given, rather than come out of the bat and just get rid of the stragglers. Some people are bound to do less than others, and it's not necessarily indicative of either a mafia or town alignment. Killing all liars? You know it's a game of lies a deceit right? And there might be moments where town will have to go out of their way and say things that may not be 100% truthful, in order to save their asses from people being wrong, yeah? Or mafia pushing on them and getting town on the wrong path. I hope that gave you the insight you were looking for. Again, just to remind you, read day 1 and 2 in the last newbie game. | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 26 2014 16:42 MihZaaa wrote: Hello fellow princesses. Let us cleanse the world of wickedness shall we? So there's been some activity while I was asleep and even though I mostly got some town vibes I'm a little weary about you JennyHell. You're being active a lot and that's great for reads but when you said that you were killed night 1 for being to towny I immediately thought why would he put himself out there so much once more. Wouldn't he be a little more lurky at least day one? (not necessarily completely silent but it's undeniable that the attention is on you right now). Maybe it's just my inexperience with forum mafia speaking but I'm not sure how comfortable I am with the disproportion between how much you've spoken and how many reads you gave. Three if you count the Superbia appreciation but I don't think I see that as a solid read. You did give mostly your scum reads which I think as mafia you would have tried to get people to like you instead of pressing them so that's why you're still in my princess circle.I do want to hear from you day 2 because I feel like if you are town you are being a valuable princess to have and if you are mafia it's good that you talk a lot so we can see the wickedness inside your heart. As think as the day goes on we can find better lynches. I did like Superbia's inquiry in regards to meatpalm's playstyle and by extension I didn't like Barakos attacking him. It's still pretty early in the day and my reads right now haven't got much heft to them. I'm looking forward to see more people talk though. Hi MihZaaaa, we shall indeed cleanse the world! Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny. I like that you are being wary of me. I am not confirmed to anyone but myself, but that said, I am a good ally to have in this world where wickedness have taken over. We need to banish it once and for all and save all of disneytopia! | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
How many reads do you honestly think is appropriate this early in to the game? How many do you think you could possibly give? | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 26 2014 17:02 meatpudding wrote: Same goes for Jenny's MBK list, although I think it's way too early for that. At this point I think anyone could be a wicked one, and I'm not about to start trusting a single person until the day goes on. I have yet to give a MBK list, because it's way too early. I merely explained what it all meant and suggested that we should all use that format. Don't see what's scummy about that.. Unless you are a dryball that doesn't appreciate bringing fun in to things, which you yourself expressed earlier that you thought it was obligatory that we brought some flavour into this disney game. | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Let's have a lil chat, shall we? I'll start with responding to this: On August 27 2014 01:39 Superbia wrote: Also I want Jenny to explain herself on the MeatPush (very top of post). Ok, so.. Since there are some of you that have expressed concern for my "push" on meatpope, I have now gone back to the old thread to give you an example of what kind of post I'm used to seeing from meatpoke. Example 1.) This is his first post in the thread. The game started July 29 2014 15:20. and his absolutely first post came in July 30 2014 11:09. On July 30 2014 19:09 meatpudding wrote: Hey guys. Anyone still here? I'm going to look through the thread. As you can see, no flavour, no nothing. Not at all the same kind of opening as he did this game. Which is why it caught my eyes. And I wanted to let everyone know that he doesn't seem the same as last game.. Why? Ask him, not me. But here's my 2 cents. The reason might have been because he entered so late in the game so we've already come to the serious part of day 1, so there was no opportunity for him to add flavour. Although, if you ask me, I'd probably add flavour either way. People have been known to call me "Flavour Flav" after all. Or, he might just be scum, wanting to hide among the flavour of everyone else. The fact that it was different than his last game still stands. It was different, so I'm going to keep my eyes on meatproduce. It's really not that difficult to understand, is it? | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 26 2014 22:29 Barakos wrote: On Jenny: I think Jenny is playing very similar to the last Newbie-Mafia and trys to get the thread going / is very vocal, so seeing that she was town the last game, I read her as town for now, although i am not very sure, since she stated herself: Still most towny person at the moment. It's healthy to be suspicious of everyone. One should never be treated as a "confirmed" unless they actually are 100% confirmed. At least that's my motto and I try to make everyone adapt the same kind of mindset. Besides, who wouldn't try to appear town as mafia, amirite? It's in the basics of the game really, otherwise they may as well just concede and be done with. | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Last game was my first forum mafia game, and it kind of came as a shock to me how seriously I took it, how invested I was in it and when I was dead I was still following it closely, trying to solve the puzzle, almost ripping my hair out of my head from the frustration of not being able to voice my opinion and help the town on their way to victory. Therefore, according to me, I was too towny. Too many people read me as town and mafia decided to get rid of me. Yes, I agree that taking a rolebullet as VT is a good thing, but I just really really really wanted to play! I hope that explains it a bit better. | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 27 2014 01:37 Superbia wrote: Alright, I'm ready to make a small town circle and mafia circle already! I would like to welcome the follow people to my town circle: - JennyHell - Barakos I would like to lynch the following people: - Breshke - abuse (borderline) I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle. The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse. Care to explain that? | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 27 2014 02:44 Superbia wrote: Jenny, since you're around, what's your opinion on lilwade. From what I gather you have played with him before. He has not done anything yet. Is this normal? Also, what other people have you played with before? People from the last game that is currently playing this game is lilwade, meatpackage and myself. Last game I read lilwade really scummy because he was just like this. He popped in with a single liner every now and then but nothing really to read him from. I was wrong on him. He turned out to be very valuable for town later on in the game. But his activity was never really high. | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 27 2014 02:43 Superbia wrote: That's fine, but keep in mind that the goal is for town to win. If dying means that town wins, then you die. But.. But... There's so many other succulent townies the evil wolfies can chew. It's like that kids story about the 3 goats. Each and every one of them saying to the troll "oh no no, don't eat me, eat the one after me. He's much bigger and tastier than me." I guess I'm just as selfish as those goats. | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 27 2014 03:06 Barakos wrote: Towncircle: JennyHell (still in there, although she has been very quiet after her strong start, this judgement might also be a bit influenced by her strong towngame in the earlier mafia) I do come off rather strong at times, I agree. It's my new thing I discovered since I started playing forum mafia. How would you say you usually come off when playing forum mafia? Just curious. As further notes, I have a really REALLY messed up sleeping schedule. I have things to do in the days, like applying for jobs, going to interviews and things. And then I sleep rather early, so I can go up and play games and socialize with americans in the early morning for me. Last night for example I went to bed at 21:00 my time, woke up at 3:30 and enjoyed my time with americans until around 12:00 where I got ready to go for an interview, came back took a nap, woke up not long ago again and here we are, in the kitchen, looking into the fridge to figure out what to have for dinner before I go to sleep again at around 21-22. I have an important role as a banshee to perform in the morning together with my fellow d&d players. | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 27 2014 03:34 Barakos wrote: I think I already mentioned it in my first larger post but here again and in a bit more detail: This is my first game of forum mafia and I haven't played mafia in a good amount of years. We had a quite big group of live-mafia-players back in the day, when I still went to school but as it goes with everything, if you go to school in a smaller city... people spread out to go to university / do their required military service or get jobs in other cities, so we stopped playing. Few weeks ago i stumbled over the Mafia-section of this forum, got interested, lurked in some games and got more interested, and now - her i am. Fair enough, welcome back to the world of mafia games! | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
On August 27 2014 05:00 lilwade wrote: With classes starting getting anywhere is a huge pain but, Here is my perspective from the last 12 hours. 1) Jenny you have started strong again but apart from last game you have come off way stronger this time around, maybe overcompensating to try to appear like you start every game the same, I am not sure. you are probably on my bang list for now, you know how I hate to commit to marry. What are your thoughts on MihZaaa? 2) Superbia despite your post that was longer than my last college paper I feel you are doing your best to seek out scum and test the waters and I think no mafia would have gone to lengths to provide what you did albeit in a poorly formatted manner. For the most part I think your genuine, but I still have my doubts on the quality of your reads. 3) Barakos I think you started of pretty strong but have moved down a little bit with some filler posts. Who do you think we should persue? Did you actually read superbia's post? do you think it could have been scum motivated? What in it makes you think it is an abomination or were you merely calling it that because of how long it was? What are your thoughts on abuse? 4) MihZaaa I agree the time zone difference is a bit of a pain but i will try to post between classes and all through out the night and morning to make it easier for you and any others who arent in the US. What are you thought on jenny and superbia because those are my strongest reads atm. Do you think jenny is overcompensating? I just refreshed and saw your post, I agree for the most part that superbia's long post was filled with nonsense but do you think it is town motivated? 5) abuse I think that every mafia game we have atleast 1 person (you), to start of the game with classic reaction questions and I like it tbh, Myself you can call me Town Hero for I will seek out scum so none of our beautiful princesses have to die. I was hoping to get a character that I could add a lot of flavor with but I was unfamiliar with how to go about it. As for my thoughts on you I think you are spending a little to much time defending rather than advancing and I do not like that. What can you bring to the table that will get the game on the right track aside from your first post. Anyone I didnt mention was not worth mentioning and you need to be worried about that because I will be waiting to hear from you. Okay, last post before I head to bed! You want me to address my thoughts on MihZaa. See, he's currently the one I'm the most on the fence with, aka don't know where I should put him. I'll show you a few pointers of why I don't fully see him as town, and you'll see that even though he's not towny enough for me, yet, it's all rather minor so not a full mafia read either. But you know what they say.. Many small brooks make a strong river. It started with this: You're being active a lot and that's great for reads but when you said that you were killed night 1 for being to towny I immediately thought why would he put himself out there so much once more. Wouldn't he be a little more lurky at least day one? (not necessarily completely silent but it's undeniable that the attention is on you right now). Why would I change anything I'm doing? If I am town, great, because then people see I am town. If I am mafia I would want to hide that I am, right? So in both occasions nothing would change my general demeanor and the way I put myself out there. The very same post he also brought up something about a disproportion in my posts. I took it as though he thought my posts were lengthy but didn't give many reads. Which I thought was weird, why would I be able to give a lot of reads so early in to the game? I asked him about it, and he corrected me, saying he meant that he thought I had too much to give. But he also avoided my questions to him. On August 26 2014 17:02 JennyHell wrote: Also, MihZaa, you said you didn't like the disproportion of my amount of posts and how few reads I've given. How many reads do you honestly think is appropriate this early in to the game? How many do you think you could possibly give? I don't read too much in to these two situations, since they're minor things that just made me perk my ears a little. It continued with his reaction to abuse's questions. I agree that there are better questions one could have asked. But I saw nothing wrong in asking them. It didn't feel like it was necessarily indicative of any alignment. It still feels a bit like focusing on others so you can throw scum on townies that maybe aren't being seen as town yet rather than a genuine gathering of information with the purpose of finding mafia. Then he, in the same post, said this: I like a lot that Barakos logged in from work to pitch in. I think it's less likely that mafia would bother to do that especially when nobody is being put on the spot right now which is when you will see mafia push on them more and be active. I think it's quite the opposite. Mafia wants to not appear scum and if he can get some easy town points by making a post from work while he's on his break or similar, I don't see why mafia wouldn't. This could just be a difference in opinions though, so it doesn't really make me think either way of MihZaaaa. He then had his lengthy post where he seemed extremely defensive, but he brought up some good parts as well that I can agree on. But the general feel I got from his lengthy post was that all the commented on was things that was about him, concerned him or was good for his play, which to me felt scummy. The sexism thing was obviously a joke, and he shouldn't feel the least bad about it. (Just wanted to add, in case he was actually worried.) And then he commented on a post I made about the +1-1 and Mihzaa not being in the final reads of that post. On August 27 2014 04:25 MihZaaa wrote: Paying close attention to potential slip-ups is really towny I feel. Barakos did the same thing and Superbia did it to me and this is pretty much my town circle right now. So he says his town circle is Barakos, Superbia, Himself and I'm assuming me, since he was commenting on my post about the math mistake at the end there. Following it up with a response to lilwade asking about me and superbia, and this is very minor but he, instead of saying what he said in previous post that we are in his towncircle, he decides to phrase it as a "no lynch zone", which felt a bit off. So it's not so much what he said, more how he said it. On August 27 2014 05:51 MihZaaa wrote: Both are in the no lynch zone for me. In regards to jenny overcompensating I'm not sure and I won't give it much thought day 1 because, mafia or town, I'm ok with people talking. Superbia's post I read as town motivated but it's his switch on his read that made me see him as town. All in all, I feel very confused and flip floppy about my read on MihZaaaa, which is why I'm on the fence about him. At one moment he makes me feel like he's trying to push town agenda, the other moment he phrases something oddly and it feels scummy. I'll filter dive him tomorrow again, after a good nights rest, to see if maybe I just needed to sleep on it to get a general idea of where he is. | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
I am finally awake after my sleep and will go through it all. I'm on page 11. Will give my BMK list shortly! | ||
JennyHell
Sweden259 Posts
Instead I'm going to filter dive you all and form my BMK list. Here's a general overview of every player in the game: meatplayer You're being a bit different from last time we played together. It could have something to do with the fact that we actually didn't get to play that much last time with me dying and you being inactive. that said, I've liked your reads so far, although I'm not sure about MihZaaaa, and I'd like to see what more you can give further in to the game. Another thing to note, I didn't take what you said about looking into my heart as a soft claim. I just thought you were making fluff. And I still do, even after others have pointed it out. lilwade lilwade, lilwade, wherefore art though, lilwade?! Your filter is insanely short... It's almost like Daydreamarine's and his is next to non-existing. However, you are being similar to last game we played together, so that's at least a good thing, although not alignment indicative. There was something I picked up in one of your posts, that I will not share, but I'm willing to give you a pass for today. You've asked some questions, poking and prodding at people. I'd like to see you make a list of your reads. (If you haven't already by the time I post this.) Gobblegobblegobble The way you came in at the start of the game and just stated your role thing felt really awkward and a bit offputting, to be honest. Especially since we could all be doing that and it would lead to nothing. You made a scumduo which I felt was a bit too soon to find, and I didn't agree on it. You later withdrew it due to reading abuse as town and that I wholeheartedly agree with. I didn't like your comment on Superbia's big thread that he made it hard to read intentionally. I don't see why anyone would do that no matter what alignment. I do see what you mean by saying that Superbia is twisting abuse's words and I agree that he is, how can I phrase this, taking 1 and 1 and making 11 rather than 2. All of this said, I don't appreciate your general attitude in most of your posts and probably wouldn't be sad to see you go, whether you're town or not. See below for example: I'm sorry that you can't see my arguments. You may want to invest in correction lenses. MihZaa My most flipfloppy read this entire game. You have me going back and forth like a newton's cradle. Your idea of me wanting to swap my playstyle to be less towny in order to not die, is flawed and I'm writing it down as you just not really knowing yet what is the most beneficial play for yourself when you play mafia games. However, you then flipped on your own idea when you said you thought I'd been more reluctant to take the mic so hard day 1 if I had been mafia. So what is it? Am I less out there when I'm mafia or town? Make your mind up. This is taking soooo long. I have to go make dinner now. Will continue with the rest of you while I eat! | ||
JennyHell
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To start with I have a question. Do you usually answer your own questions before you let the person you ask answer? "Hey, I'm feeling awesome today, how are you?". I agree that if abuse had never answered the question himself, it would have been scummy. But to call him out on it so shortly after the question is a bit odd I think. On Abuse: I didn't like you posting questions before answering them yourself... You agreed with me on the soft-claim not really seeming like a soft claim, which could mean numerous things. I know why I felt that way, but even though you explained it, I have yet to truly figure out why. You picked up on the same thing I did about Superbia and his flawed maths, so that means you're paying attention and you chose to phrase it by asking rather than accusing, which I liked. You are creating conversation with people, putting your logic out there, taking theirs in. You take everyone into consideration, not leaving anyone out, which I like. There's really no need for you rethink your standpoint on me, Barakos. But again, some general suspicion is healthy. Breshke You do next to nothing for me, sorry not sorry! I can agree on certain things you say and the way you read people. But I don't like the lack of proper contribution. Who's in your towncircle and who's in your mafiacircle? abuse Your questions did nothing for me, I thought there are way better questions people can ask but you came with an idea of how you wanted to spark conversation and read people. Having a plan to figure new people out is great. Personally I tend to just wing it and find oddities in they way they say things. It's not always the content they provide that makes me see them as scummy but the way they say it. Anyways, moving on. If you read my question to Barakos you know where I stand on the whole "didn't answer his own question first" thing. I'm completely on your side with that thing. I'm glad you did answer it though, but more importantly explained as to why you did it. That generated more of an insight about you than us answering your questions, because let's face it, they weren't all that gamebreaking. Why you don't see things I do as being towny is fine. You're wrong, but it's fine. We're all different people and read things differently. Not going to hold that against you, or anyone else for that matter. You then said this: I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner While I agree that is the case, at least about Barakos, I feel others that you are neutral on have done the exact same thing. That makes me wonder why are you willing to say this for them but not the others,for example me? You later on said this: I like that she does reply to every question she has been asked, and she does not do it half-heartedly, but with thought out posts. What she says does make sense, though she has not really made a big play yet in my opinion. I would love to see Jenny's current read list compilation on everyone involved. So when did my posts become thought out enough for you? Oh, and here you go, the compilation you wanted! All in all I agree with most of your reads. Superbia I like your start, you were asking questions, trying to find out things about people. You then followed with your +1 -1 post which did nothing for me. It was, like others have stated, an abomination. Next to impossible to follow. Most of it was "alright" and you giving me a -1 for pointing out a different behaviour in someone is ridiculous. After I explained it to you, like you asked me to, you said you thought it was like I explained. So why the -1? You then didn't even follow your own math, and was called out for it. Your question about the excel file made me laugh because I can picture you sitting there reading through all posts and go "Ooh, +1 for you. Gold star in the corner!". The soft-claim ordeal was just plain dumb and I'd like us to move on from that. He's even explained himself that he wasn't soft-claiming. You've been reading way too much in to things people say, and making the wrong assumption, perhaps even so wrong that you end up bending their words to your will. It feels really off. You ask a lot of questions which generally is a good thing but I can't shake this feeling that you're digging for ways to go at people rather than trying to solve this game. Also, can you like.. try to avoid stupidly long posts? They're a pain to read and filtering you is doing my head in. This goes for everyone. Can we do it short and sweet, and if you really need to do a long post, can we keep them to a minimum or at least divide them up? No, I did not die. I threw babies at knights and I cursed the Great Knight Tao to inflict himself harm until death. It was a productive event and I leveled up, yay me! Daydreamarine HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA *facepalm* You have a lot of catching up to do, sweetie. Can't wait to see what you have to bring. | ||
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1.) We all need to make shorter concise posts, so that mafia can't hide in the big posts. It's much easier when they have time to make their big posts that they can make more sense. Just fyi. 2.) I didn't quite expect people to take my own explanation for how I play as me being neutral. Did I scare you all from thinking I'm town? Let me make this clear. Would I play the same? Yes! People should always go out of their way to be as towny as possible. Mafia will have a much harder time being townies than actual townies, would you believe that?! Amazing how it works. | ||
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Marry I'm not quite ready to marry someone yet, but I do have a keen eye for Barakos. How about we do a temporary engagement. Will you be my lovely bride? Bang abuse - Just like Rihanna I seem to like it and keep coming back for more. Meatpuddle - You're different this game, but I'm willing to give you a one night stand. lilwade - You're the same as last game. Your activity is just as appalling as usual but there's something you said that I'm not even sure you know yourself yet. I'm hoping I'm right on this and I'm willing to bang you, for now. Daydreamarine - You probably shouldn't even be close to this list but oh my word.. I can't wait to see what you bring. I'm willing to give you a pass just so I can see more of your roleplaying. Kill Superbia - You're the one I read the most scummy. I don't get you, man... You're taking things way out of context to where it doesn't feel like it's close to the truth anymore and I dno what to do about you.. Can we just kill you? I feel like you cause more harm than good with the confusion and mess you create. Please, do prove me wrong. I'd love to change my read on you. MihZaaaa - I don't know how to read you. You're flip floppy and I get flip floppy on you. I don't like being flip floppy. I'm fine with you dying. Breshke - Your lack of anything substantial is making me dislike you. You need to change that if you want me to start liking you. Gobblegobblegobble - I don't necessarily see you as scummy, I've agreed on certain things you've said but I just don't appreciate the tone in what you have to say. You are the least scummy out of my kills and the one I'd kill absolutely last. I get that people may not have the same reads as me, and I'm willing to hear people out. How about we find 2 people we as a town combined most want to get rid of, create a wagon on those two, laying down some pressure and hear them out? I mean it's only 5 hours left now. Just in case, here's my vote. ##Vote: Superbia Willing to change to other wagons should it be better for town. | ||
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Breshke, what are your thoughts about Gobblegobblegobble and lilwade? | ||
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On August 28 2014 05:23 Superbia wrote: I'm not sure about him. Many people are reading him town, including MeatPoppy. I'd like to lynch him at some point, but maybe not today? I'll see where my vote goes as the dark approaches. So if not him, who would you rather see us lynching today? | ||
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Seeing your responses to my questions I am beginning to like you a bit more. I'm willing to change my vote from you. You're probably just misunderstood town.. FFFFf.. haha. You're getting a townpass for today, I want to see more from you during the night and tomorrow. I'll instead put my vote on Breshke. Why I'm choosing him out of my scum reads is because out of my scumreads he's the only one that's manage to skip reading 3 people in the game. Last game the mafia people didn't have any interactions and didn't even give reads on eachother. I fear that is what Breshke might be doing here. There's nothing majorly wrong with his logic, but I think it may come from a scum perspective. I feel Breshke is a good wagon and he himself said he had difficulties posting unless questions are posed to him. So maybe a wagon will make him come out of his shell. ##Unvote [b]##Vote: Breshke[/b | ||
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On August 28 2014 06:42 Barakos wrote: As tempting as it sounds to have you as my bastion of light, hope and all that is good in this world of wickedness... I am afraid I can't fully commit to being your bride right now. But let's talk some more and see, where it goes from here, shall we? You say lilwade is playing like last game and therefore have him in your banglist for now, even though he isn't very active. And at the same time your feeling about meatpudding is, that he plays a different game as last time, yet still you give him enough credit to put him on your banglist - at least for a one night stand. So my question is - why do you treat both the same, while only one of them is behaving as he used to do in the last game? It's really simple actually. Meat is scummy because I don't recognize this side of him, but his logic and his reads makes sense to me even if I don't agree fully on them. I like his approach to the game. lilwade is acting the same, and although he's not contributed much, I don't feel ready to lynch him this day due to something I noticed that I don't feel comfortable sharing right now. | ||
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If we weren't lynching him, who'd you rather see us lynch? | ||
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We need more conversation amongst eachother. Short bursts and more people active. | ||
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Can we have 2 wagons made? | ||
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2. Gobblegobblegobble 3. MihZaa Yes, I've swapped gobble and Mihzaaaa around in kill order, due to gobble sounding so desperate in his last couple of posts. As a sidenote, Superbia you're getting more and more towny in my eyes from the way you're behaving since my vote on you. | ||
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On August 28 2014 07:26 Superbia wrote: That's.. good? I'm not in your top 3 lynches? I'm assuming you were just pushing on me to get a better read or something? Like I said as a response to your answers, you made me rethink my stance on you. And you're gaining more and more ground as this day is coming to an end. | ||
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On August 28 2014 07:35 lilwade wrote: Right now I dont feel like either Gobbledydook or superbia are good day 1 lynches, Out of the 2 I would probably go with gobbledydook. Jenny do you think that these two are the right for the bandwagon??? Like I've said before, I've flipped my read on Superbia, I think I misread his super crazy logictrain as scummy when in hindsight it's probably just donkey town. Later on he's been much more towny and I'm now feeling ok with him. I do NOT think that Superbia should be one of the wagons. | ||
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On August 28 2014 07:53 Superbia wrote: You're a donkey. I was trying to make shit happen, you can think what you want, maybe I made a miss-play, but please don't dismiss my opinion in the future. Thanks. TL;DR | ||
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On August 28 2014 08:01 gobbledydook wrote: my response is fuck you im done here see you after the game when you get the mafia victory post After this I don't give a shit whether he is town or mafia. I want him gone. | ||
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I am not feeling comfortable with Superbia being voted on. Not today.. Can we remove the wagon from him and move it to someone else? I really don't like how this ending of the day is panning out. Gobble, why are you so angry? Why resort to BM? | ||
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vote vote vote boys! We need to see where the wagons are going! | ||
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This is bang out of order and should not exist, especially not in a newbie game. Take all the bad attitude and get it out of here. Gobble - The way you've been acting is just making things worse. It's making people read you scummy. Resorting to bad manner instead of trying to explain yourself is not a good town play. Why won't you even give it a try? | ||
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On August 28 2014 08:14 Breshke wrote: Ohh and i forgot this Towncircle abuse lilwade meatpudding Scum MihZaa Gobbledydook Everyone else not leaning enough either way for me yet How can you have a null on 4 people? | ||
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Everyone else is voting on this pissed off guy just because he's being bad mannered. I wouldn't be surprised if his horrible attitude is him being annoyed as town. I want the bad manner gone as well, but don't forget we are trying to scumhunt here! | ||
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On August 28 2014 08:15 Superbia wrote: Jenny, getting people angry is actually a legitimate strategy in the game. Though I don't think it really applies here. I don't know what this self-destruct play is. That's what I'm saying.. noone's actually done anything that would spark this out of a mafia. I'm scared he's town and people are making a mistake! | ||
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On August 28 2014 08:19 Breshke wrote: I have null on 3 people right? its 9 player game is my maths wrong? I think is ridiculous that anyone claims a read on daydreammarine they have had like one post. And my read on you and superbia arnt exactly neutral, you are leaning town for me jenny but i didnt want to put you in my town circle whereas superbia is leaning mafia but in no way do i want to lynch him today Nice dumbtelling there... Your mafia teammate is also a player in the game ya know.. And you should definitely out your leans as well, because otherwise it is extremely hard to read you. I mentioned earlier in the game that we should try to keep the nulls on the low side because it gets difficult for town to read other town if they aren't willing to actually place people in neatly lined up folders. | ||
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On August 28 2014 08:21 gobbledydook wrote: I did. No one listened. Wrote off what I said as useless. If no one is going to listen to me anyway why should I try Because even if you feel like noone is listening you should definitely try try try and try again. If you are dying now, then don't let your last time alive be fruitless. Scumhunt, get your reads out there. Make people realize at least further down the line that they were wrong, being able to get back to your posts, and make new calculations of the game based on that new information. Giving up is the absolute worst thing ever, especially if one is VT, because people think that "Oh VT have no important role" wrong. It's a numbers game. If we keep our numbers up it'll increase our chances of outliving the mafia. | ||
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While this being careless might actually mean that he is town and not mafia as a member of the scum probably wouldnt come out so fast and hard against two of the more active members of the town. Still voting on him. Superbia about gobble: On August 28 2014 07:52 Superbia wrote: To be honest I think we should vote you. I don't like how you've been playing this at all. You seem to barely read any of the posts, and you make unsubstantiated votes, simply basing it on an existing wagon. You've given no original content, and I don't like it. I don't know how anyone can be this scummy on day 1. I think you may be town because of it, but I don't think you live here, unless you give a great defense. ##vote: gobbledydook How about you vote on someone you actually think is mafia then? Barakos caveat about gobble lynch: On August 28 2014 08:00 Barakos wrote: I'll be keeping my vote on you for now... for the same reasons, I had earlier. You don't actually contribute and just follow trends at the moment without any own well-thought reasoning behind it. I accept the risk of you flipping town at the end but the way you are playing right now, will not help us in the future. I know Barakos had strong reads on Gobble before so I feel his vote is the most justified, but all of you are voting on this guy even though you have caveats. | ||
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gulp well that escalated quickly, jenny i dont have mafia partners becaise ...... wait for it I Am Town I wholeheartedly agree that im not providing much original content and to you guys my reads must seem fairly general and not providing much if any insight. While i dont disagree with dook saying im useless i don't so how being so abrupt is useful at all ## Vote: gobbledydook You may not be mafia but you are anti town[/QUOTE] This just felt like you were saying you know he's not mafia. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Breshke | ||
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Daydreamarine, you're a goofy oddball but you need to actually vote as well, it is mandatory! | ||
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On August 28 2014 08:54 Breshke wrote: I can see the point of view where dook is town and just frustrated it makes sense to me, remember i was starting to read him as town. I was hasty and when he flipped out i had my own mini flip out of this guy has to go. I would put my vote somewhere else preferably Mihzaa but with the wagons seemingly being on himself and me i can't I know im town i don't know that about him If you feel he is probably town and you'd rather try to move a wagon on to MihZaaaa, then I suggest you attempt to do so. It's way more towny to try to make people see their mistakes than just going with the flow because the rest feels fruitless. | ||
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The votecount does it in the order it came in. | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:19 Superbia wrote: Jenny what would you do if Breshke flips town tomorrow? Would you accept this kind of defense a second time? This doesn't make sense. As you can see Breshke is currently not even close to dying, although I'd prefer if he did. If he flips town I will have to go back, reread and see what I have missed and reform my thoughts based on the new info, like everyone should. | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote: Honestly does anyone else feel like this may just be a play from dook, or is it just me? To me he felt like annoyed town that flipped crazy balooba over something that I have no clue what. Right now the only way I see him mafia is if you're partnered with him, since he went craycray after your vote on him and maybe it's a buss by his teammate. I dno.. | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:22 Breshke wrote: I don't know how this normally goes but i don't want to start a wagon on someone who doesnt seem to be here. Especially when dook won't even answer one question i'm asking him. I agree that he's not doing much to help his case right now. But voting on someone you think is town is really scummy and peculiar. | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:25 Breshke wrote: Jenny why are you alright with us voting Mihzaa? It's not so much me being fine with you voting Mihzaaaa, although I am because he's part of those I've read scum earlier today, this is more about you currently having a vote on someone you say you read as possible town. It's outright dumb. | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:31 Breshke wrote: So by your stance on voting are saying that at the moment in your mind there is no chance of me being town? Dook may be town but he may also be mafia, you have been fighting to save him more than he has and other than his first intial pushes he has hasnt explained his reads on anyone other than you. I am saying you are my top scum, hence I am voting for you. | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:32 Superbia wrote: Too early to look at partnerships. I also felt like he may be getting bussed. He called the votes "straight-unanimous" (with only four votes?), which suggested to me that one of his mafia partners might have voted on him early to get some distance between them. I feel like if he flips mafia we may have a really easy game. Furthermore, he has been too scummy and his defense too crappy. Keeping him alive is donkey play (in my opinion). How will your reads change if this guy flips town? Is it still donkey play to keep him alive and possibly instead having killed a mafia? | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:40 Breshke wrote: Jenny just so im clear why do you think im mafia, do you have any updated information after the last time you spoke on it. Same reason as before. You do nothing for me and lately you've felt more like mafia than when I last gave my reads. I have put it out there and questioned you about it. So it should be clear to everyone by now. | ||
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On August 28 2014 09:52 Breshke wrote: Jenny where did your townread of dook come from? Just from rereading a little he was second on your kill list for a moment there then suddenly you are defending him like he is your top town. Don't get me wrong, he's not my top town. I just feel like the way everyone is so willing to pile on to him without even trying to push proper town agenda made me flip for today. Giving him a 1 day pass. It wasn't until I started to reel him back on the right path towards finding scum and telling us things that others started to seem like they cared too. I poked and prodded and searched and found that many of you read him as town and still voted for him. SCUMALERT! So I reacted the best way I know how, by going hard on you all to really make sure you knew what you were doing and were ok with it. Voting on someone you read as town is soooo dumb. Things flip quickly here in disneytopia and if you can't keep up, that's too bad. | ||
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Your roleplaying is hilarious and I don't mind you doing it, but there are certain things you need to understand. You HAVE to vote. Everyone must vote before the end of the day. You need to figure out the 2 people you think are the wicked ones. If they outlive the rest of us this game is over and we have lost. It's basically a communicative puzzle. Don't expect many people liking your roleplay, because it's so out of the ordinary, it could make them feel as if you are not focusing on the game and could potentially get you mislynched. So if you intend on keeping on with the roleplaying, don't forget to actually analyze the game in ways that even us non-roleplayers can understand. That way we can read you where you are coming from and get a better knowledge of wether or not you are one of the wicked ones. | ||
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All I want to say is that the only one that is confirmed town is the guy that died. Noone else is confirmed. To me, it's me and a dead guy. To you it should be you and a dead guy. Yes, people have been doing towny things but that should not make them confirmed, me included. I went hard on defense of Gobble because I have experience of similar behaviour in people playing videomafia. There was no logical reason for him to flip as mafia in that particular moment unless so and so had happened. That along with the fact that everyone was willing to vote him off because of BM just felt like everyone dropped their initial thought of scumhunting and instead went for someone, like I pointed out they said, they feel is town but vote on anyways. We all need to go back, filter through all the bogus of day1 and try to sort our reads out. We have new information that gobble is confirmed town. Who did he align himself with, who went hard against him, who did he read as scum and why. All these things are something we need to take into consideration, and then we also need to look at the voting patterns. Who voted and when, who decided to go at him after he used profanity etc. Do some leg work people, I know I will. | ||
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The fair maidens of the town are wondering what thy name is. Would you be so kind as to indulge us? | ||
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Try to see it from the other end. What if I were to flip scum, who'd be my partner then? Do you still reach the same conclusion that it would be MihZaaaa? That said, how likely do you feel it is that I flip scum after I've been vomiting town all over this entire game? | ||
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On August 28 2014 10:00 Amiko wrote: Day 1 - Final Vote Count Breshke (2): Abuse (0): Superbia (1): Meatpudding, gobbledydook (4): Abuse, MihZaaa, Barakos, Superbia, MihZaaa (2): Not voting (1): Daydreamarine This is how it ended, as we all could see. Gobble had 3 votes for him, then Superbia votes for him and he completely loses it. He starts flinging poo, basically. My initial thought was, if he flips mafia after this lynch then Superbia is likely to be his mafia teammate, bussing him hard and therefore he's angry. My secondary thought was that he's probably frustrated and annoyed with being read wrong and taking it to a personal level. While it is totally not ok to act like he did there, I wanted to make sure he at least tried in his last few dying breaths. I saw something there that made me feel he is town, and when I went through his posts earlier tonight I felt so dumb for not seeing his previous town tells. I will point them out in another post, this one is about the voting. So, I began defending him. People were voting on him even though they said he felt town. I pointed you out because you all felt that it was ok to drop the scumhunting, to drop everything this game is about just because someone went douche-mode. Gobble changed his vote to Breshke, maybe because I was defending him so he was reading me town and therefore understood the flaws I saw in Breshke. That's just speculation though. I manage to talk sense into some of you, so lilwade swaps back to MihZaa where he previously was and Breshke joins on. I mean, I didn't expect him to go anywhere else because he can't really go for himself. Why he decided to swap off I hope come from a town perspective but to be honest I feel it's a very neutral perspective. Either way he was not in any danger of being the lynch, here's why: The change came ~20 minutes before the end of the day and for him to be the new lynch it would have required a super adamant hard-headed Superbia to move off Gobble and onto Breshke, to make a 3-3 and then for either lilwade to flip onto Breshke or Daydreamarine to perform a miracle that is called voting. The rest hadn't shown enough presence to even be a threat of changing their votes. I think it's safe to say that end of day 1 was chaotic, and confusing. We didn't have 2 wagons like I explicitly tried to get going and then it turned in to a mess because someone overreacted. However, his overreaction made me see him as town and I'm just sad I didn't manage to save him. | ||
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1. His intro. On August 26 2014 13:04 gobbledydook wrote: I am Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty. I may or may not be a blue role. I will do all I can to root out all evil and wickedness in this realm. God save the princesses. He's trying to take a role bullet. Which is a good thing to do as VT. He went on to say that abuse is scum for how he doesn't have a scum read when it's been 24 hours in to day 1 and follows it up with a vote. The next post explains that he things Meatpudding is abuse's partner and is attempting to make him look better. And the logic sort of made sense at that moment. On August 27 2014 13:35 gobbledydook wrote: meatpudding is abuse's scumbuddy ... This just feels made up. Notice how it flows: 'Hmmm your first post was shit, so can I dig something out that can make you look good? here's your longest post, I'll just say it's good without explaining why it's good' It looks like an attempt to give abuse towncred, a ploy that I ain't buying. EBWOP fixed quotes I agree with him that at that point it seemed a bit odd and still does. Saying he's suspicious and hoping he can bring more insight and in the same post be all like "oh, found something!" Another thing I'd like to comment about.. Why wouldn't you want to be direct? There's no need to beat around the bush and conceal things. Just be up front. Here's how I feel and this is why. And here's my followup Q for you. Nice and simple, so everyone can get it. Gobble then did something towny. He listened to what you guys had said and went back on his reads. He wasn't worried it would make him look scummy he wasn't acting strange. He was genuinely changing his mind on the two and unvoted. Now that abuse has posted his list of reads I think he's town. I think he has put a massive effort into solving this game. The only thing I don't like is he omguses me, but that's fine I can live with that. ##Unvote A reread of meatpudding's analysis and follow-up to my post seems to indicate he is town. It's not scummy to change reads. It shows you are reconsidering the game and you're trying to solve this and figure out who the wicked ones truly are. He reminded people that voting is mandatory. Something any alignment could easily do, so that's a neutral thing to do. But then he comes out with this: I think you will find your scumhunting approach incorrect. Usually the assholes get lynched and flip town. It's because mafia have nothing to gain by insulting everyone. The mafia's greatest hope is that everyone forgets about them. Which to me just hit home. That's exactly how most mafia players are in video mafia as well. They try really hard to get in to a town circle. Once they are actually there, they just sit back and enjoy the ride while town tears itself apart. That said though, it's not an excuse for his behaviour which was completely unacceptable. Then BAM! On August 28 2014 07:06 gobbledydook wrote: A cursory reread makes me feel the absence of lilwade. Look at this post. It feels...noncommittal doesn't it. So the problem with being noncommittal is that scum generally want to leave their options open so they can't be held responsible. He follows up with a disapproval on my manner of entering the thread which is partly based on a misread. He disappears afterwards: I would lynch lilwade but I think superbia is better. Again hitting the analogy right on the head. How did we not see this as a town read? Even if we don't necessarily agree that lilwade is scum scum, I think we all have some worries about him. Where do they stem from? Maybe this that gobble pointed out to us. Following on to his response to my comment that he's starting to seem desperate which made me think he was more scummy and was probably going to start grasping at straws in a few moments. On August 28 2014 07:34 gobbledydook wrote: You'd be desperate too if you were about to be mislynched. Everyone has a different reaction when put on the noose. Desperation, or the lack of it, is simply not alignment indicative. Can't count how many times the 'desperate person' flipped town and then I was like welp dun goofed. He's again 100% correct. An emotional response is of neutral alignment. You can't read someone from it unless you know the person/have played with them before and therefore have a feel for how they usually respond. Then came his BM that I will not recap, because I think we've all read it 4-5 times already. All in all, he said towny things even if we didn't agree on his reads. And I feel stooooooooopid for not seeing those to begin with. Everything just gets more clear when you know he's confirmed. | ||
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1. Be up front about your reads. It's ok to change your mind, it's not scummy. It shows you are willing to re-evaluate as more information comes up. 2. Don't leave anyone out. If you are unsure, say you are unsure and why. 3. Please please please!!! Do not say "I think he may be town but he's scummy" Pick one or at least which way they are leaning. Because it's hella confusing. I get one can be unsure of reads. I have many of those I am not a 100% on, but at some point you will have to start trusting yourself and your reads and instead allow them to change your mind according to what I said in point 1. | ||
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Breshke, I went hard at him and he was my final vote. He's also not contributed much in my opinion. lilwade, his activity is super low. I saw something in one of his posts that gave him a pass for the day and was going to keep my eyes on him for day 2. He should not be off the scum radar. Barakos, I know most of us are reading him as town but remember, noone is confirmed! Daydreamarine, I asked him a question during the night and tried to do it in a roleplay fashion. Make sure he answers it and hopefully that will help you with him. Remember this post: On August 29 2014 06:20 JennyHell wrote: Moving on, what I'd like for us to do is this: 1. Be up front about your reads. It's ok to change your mind, it's not scummy. It shows you are willing to re-evaluate as more information comes up. 2. Don't leave anyone out. If you are unsure, say you are unsure and why. 3. Please please please!!! Do not say "I think he may be town but he's scummy" Pick one or at least which way they are leaning. Because it's hella confusing. I get one can be unsure of reads. I have many of those I am not a 100% on, but at some point you will have to start trusting yourself and your reads and instead allow them to change your mind according to what I said in point 1. Strong stances people. It's better to change your mind as more info comes to you. This is day 2 coming up and we've already had 1 mislynch. We can't afford many more. To end this post, no matter who dies, ask yourself who had anything to gain from this nightkill. | ||
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My suggestions for possible wagons coming in to day 2 is: Breshke & MihZaa. They were on my scumlist day 1 and they still haven't done anything to make me change my mind on them. Of course, if I were to live (which would be hella dumb mafiaplay) then I will reconsider everyone. | ||
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Here are my final reads for this night. Hopefully I can live on tomorrow but I don't see that happening. Town: Barakos (he's not confirmed) Leaning town: Superbia (Stop being hardheaded and a donkey! It's ok to change reads.) Leaning town: abuse (Gurl, pick your game up and be here when you're needed.) Leaning town: Daydreamarine (There was something in his RP that caught my eye. Hopefully he'll answer my Q!) Leaning mafia: lilwade (You need to pick it up and prove yourself.) Leaning mafia: meatpudding (Some of your logic I've recently started questioning) Mafia: MihZaaa (You've slipped under my radar for far too long and you contradict yourself in what you say.) Mafia: Breshke (You still make me feel like you've done nothing this game.) | ||
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The rolehunting seems real. I think it had something to do with that cop soft claim that was mentioned during day1. That even he said wasn't at all a soft. I guess they just didn't want to take the risk. | ||
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We have some proper work to do and it's going to be way easier for town if we are active. | ||
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Wagons help us get proper information about voting! The way day1 ended was not good for town. | ||
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I have no clue what question I must have missed that you were talking about, would you mind directing me to it? Why do you think you were roleblocked? Do you think they think you softed a role? How come lilwade is so high on your list? I gave him a pass for Day1, but I don't feel the same anymore. | ||
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He comes out in his first post by saying "Let it go, let it goooo!" I instantly think about the song and realizes that there are some words in it that would fit a tracker amazingly, so I say "How am I supposed to follow you if there's no footprint to be seen?" to see if he reacts to it. He responded rather cheerfully and then at a later stage I felt that he softed tracker in one of his posts. Now that abuse has come out as being roleblocked it means that tracker is a less likely role, unless abuse is testing us all to see if he can out roles. Roles should not out, by the way. But that also meant that I'm back to the point where I feel like lilwade just haven't done enough. Therefore, no longer cutting him the slack that I did day1. | ||
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On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote: I don't think this is a question to the mod but if there is two mafia alive and one gets role blocked does it stop their kp for that night? Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out. I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while. I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought. I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me. I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of. The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup. If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there. However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction. Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information. TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game. | ||
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On August 30 2014 00:13 Superbia wrote: Can you explain the bolded part to me? To me it could just be a way to hard confirm yourself town while you LOL your way to probably another easy miss lynch during D2. Putting town in a MyLo situation (4 town vs 2 scum). In any case, I don't see a world in which mafia roleblocks you. You were jailed by town who tried to save you from being lynched. Firstly, in a MyLo you novote and let it go to final 3. Secondly, the bolded part. It's just one theory that circled in my head before I went to bed. Say abuse is mafia roleblocker, he outs he was roleblocked/jailed to see if anyone else says they have been. Someone that isn't the one he used his roleblocking on. That way he knows there is a jailkeeper in the game and can stop worrying about the possibility of a cop outing. | ||
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Just fyi, I've come down with a fever and have spent most of the day sleeping, trying to recover. Will come back later after some more resting and say a few things. But you lot seriously need to pick up the activity. Day2 is a very important day, especially after a mislynch day1. | ||
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We need to start forming the wagons so that everyone can defend themselves, should they need it, based on their timezones. MihZaa is going to be my target. He's a huge questionmark for me, he's done nada today which is an important day and this might seem like a dumb thing to say but I don't want to risk having a huge questionmark like him in final 3. Barakos, I like your case on Superbia, but I can't help but feel he is just donkey town. I also agree that Daydreamarine is town. I have huge difficulties seeing him as mafia, especially with all the "dumbtelling" he's been doing. And I love the fact that he was willing to give up the roleplay and try this game out. Breshke, still not feeling ok with you, but atleast you've been here and acted somewhat more ok today. I will keep my eyes on you and just because you're not MY wagon for today doesn't mean you are town. lilwade, I'm done giving you slack for softing Tracker. I wouldn't be surprised if I just misread the entire situation and you didn't soft at all. You need to amp up your activity if you're to convince me you're town. abuse, I still have you as a towny. You and Barakos both gave good reasons for superbia being scummy, and while I don't necessarily agree it just feels like it's towny coming from you. As soon as you came out with having been roleblocked I kept asking myself "Why would mafia target abuse?" and this semi-confirmed you for me. They obviously thought you were a threat enough to want to block you. If it's the other way around, that I was blocked and you were jailed, which I don't think is likely, then I don't understand what the Jailer is doing. Anyways, let's form those wagons! ##Vote: MihZaaa | ||
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On August 31 2014 00:46 Daydreamarine wrote: One more question though: Jenny why did you ask me in character what my name is? What info did you want to get? Honestly, you seemed to have no clue what the game was about, so I thought if you were mafia you prob would have no clue about not claiming your name, so I asked to make it easier for me to read you. I really liked your answer and that you didn't out your name. I also loved the fact that you called me scummy for it. | ||
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As soon as you guys log on, make sure to vote. The sooner we have our wagons the better overview town gets and the wagons can defend themselves. Living in the dark, not knowing where day2 is headed is bad. We don't want a repeat of day1. | ||
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He first had the whole contradict himself thing with first saying that if I got killed as town last game I'd want to not be the same as this game, so I don't get killed. And then followed that post up with a post that stated he didn't think I'd take the mic so strongly on day1 if I was mafia. Then he said something about abuse's questions that caught my eyes. It still feels a bit like focusing on others so you can throw scum on townies that maybe aren't being seen as town yet rather than a genuine gathering of information with the purpose of finding mafia. while I agree that the questions themselves weren't perhaps the best, he came with an idea of how he wanted to find out more about these players he's never played with before and I didn't see it as either scummy nor towny. It was very alignment neutral. He also at one point said that he's not familiar with the lingo yet because it's his first mafia game, but he uses words like "pocketing" perfectly. Which seems like he's holding back some information/knows more than he's letting off. The rest he did seems to me rather neutral in alignment, as if he's just trying to skate by. And he still hasn't done a single thing since his vote on Gobble day1. On August 27 2014 22:32 MihZaaa wrote: ## vote: gobbledydook As you can see by the timestamp, it was quite some time ago. I don't feel comfortable leaving such a questionmark, because I'd have no way to read him town. | ||
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The longer he stays a questionmark the longer he will be a hindrance for town. I hope hope hope that whoever dies tonight flips mafia so that we can stop going in to mylo. If we go to mylo we will spend that entire day discussing and then novote, because if we misslynch in mylo we lose. So we sleep, let them kill 1 more, and then we have increased our odds to a 40% chance to hit 1 mafia. | ||
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If you feel someone else is a more suitable candidate for wagon than MihZaa, because obviously you already think you shouldn't be one, then come out with it and explain why and at least put a vote down. | ||
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I woke up just to be here when it ends btw. | ||
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lilwade is hanging on a thin line. He needs to blow me out of the waters for me to feel good about him by now. Breshke, still not convinced on this dude. abuse, if he got RB'd then I have a hard time believing he is mafia. superbia, still just think he's super eager donkey town. I'll have to filter him again to see if I change my mind. Barakos, how about that wedding? daydream, tot's not mafia. Would be surprised if he was. | ||
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On August 31 2014 09:52 Superbia wrote: Stop calling me a donkey Jenny. I'm only getting read as mafia or as donkey. It's kinda getting annoying. Then how do I explain my read on you? I'll just say "that thing I mentioned earlier and isn't allowed to say anymore" instead | ||
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On August 31 2014 09:54 Daydreamarine wrote: You yourself also called the Mafia donkey Mafia, Coincidence? I hope not :D Being donkey works both ways. | ||
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On August 31 2014 09:52 Superbia wrote: This picture -> http://i.imgur.com/9zn94FF.jpg I'll have the Elsa dress plz. | ||
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On August 31 2014 09:57 Superbia wrote: Sorry, they're only available in donkey sizes. Haha, fine! You can have them all then | ||
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On August 31 2014 10:13 Superbia wrote: Let's hope for PR magic. We need it. I 100% agree. Cross our fingers and hope. | ||
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We'll just have to wait and see what happens, and then make that call when we get there. | ||
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On September 01 2014 07:16 Barakos wrote: Are you all right, Jenny? . Still not good, but feeling more energized than the other days and my brain's been sort of waking up today, so that's a good thing. | ||
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Why did mafia target Breshke? | ||
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On September 01 2014 10:38 Superbia wrote: Fuck it, I'm just going to say it. PRs should out today, we're solving this game today. We don't get anything by sleeping. This is dumb. I really don't think PR's should out. It's something we can look at later, if at all, it's up to the PR's to decide. For now though, if someone was RB'd they should out. | ||
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On September 01 2014 10:53 Superbia wrote: Why not? I've pointed out that we get nothing by sleeping. It's going to be a split decision either way. We get three towns to decide between two people. That's not true. I'm not going to tell you why it's not true. We shouldn't talk about it. If PR's know what they're doing they'll know what I'm talking about. Basically, you're wrong. We should definitely no-lynch. Simple as. | ||
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lilwade was modkilled for inactivity and not voting, so he probably didn't RB anyone. So either JK put his save on daydream or on abuse and it would have been wasted on abuse. Daydreamarine, were you RB'd? | ||
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Let's go win this boys. | ||
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On September 04 2014 10:14 Barakos wrote: I am the bulletproof and my protection was used up this night. HAHAHAHAHA We gottem bois! I was worried that Barakos would be the mafia that's got his way in to my town circle and I was right. He's just like Lord Tolkien from last game. Being townread by everyone until the very last end. I'm Prince Phillip, the real bulletproof and my vest was hit tonight. Barakos is the last mafia. Thanks for claiming my role, made it a lot easier to find you. Night 1 I tried superhard to be hit by that bullet, but that didn't happen. And I was thinking to myself, who'd not want me in final 3, probably Barakos. Daydream and Barakos had been buddying up to eachother so if I was out of the picture it would have been easy for him to misslynch Superbia. But I bet you didn't count on me being the BP, did ya?! Hah! I've even hinted earlier in the thread that I'm not a princess. On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote: Marry I'm not quite ready to marry someone yet, but I do have a keen eye for Barakos. How about we do a temporary engagement. Will you be my lovely bride? In hindsight, such a shit tier read, but if we look past the fact that I read Barakos completely wrong, I asked him to be my bride. Why would I as a girl ask a guy to be my BRIDE?! Because I am a GUY in the game. I am Prince Phillip, the Dashing Hero. Other than that I've been super towny all game, even multiple times told everyone to not feel like anyone is confirmed even though it's made you guys feel iffy about me. Also, why I wanted no claims yesterday was because if a save happens or if I get hit then it's so much easier to find out who the last mafia is. You played a really good game, Barakos, but it's over for you now. So, let's get rid of this scum and win the game! ##Vote: Barakos | ||
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On September 04 2014 10:26 Barakos wrote: What do you think, did I do the last few days? I reread everything, in case it would come to a situation like this... or if any discussion would have sparked up before D4. But since we all got into that silent agreement, that it would only benefit, if they get more information before their final shot, that didn't happen... But well. Let's see, what Jenny claims, once she joins us... The way it is set up at the moment, it could also be you being the one, who has to make the final call. Because he knew he had shot me and I didn't die. Nice to out yourself with your extra information there, Barakos! | ||
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If I was mafia, would I really CC someone who's been townread the entire game? Or would I go for ez win ez rares by trying to act towny and get you out instead, seeing as he's had you as scummy almost the entire game? Why would I intentionally make it extra difficult for myself? Conclusion, I am not mafia. I am actually the real BP and I'm CC'ing because he claimed my flippin role. I've seen you as town because I saw a bit of myself and my friend from our first game in you. While other kept calling you scummy I called you (word I'm not allowed to use) town. Although not the kindest of reads, I was being genuine and honest about it. While he tried to fling scum. | ||
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lilwade, lilwade, wherefore art thou, lilwade?! On the mountain tonight? How can I follow you if there's no footprint to be seen? This was part of my first ever post in the thread. I have explained that I thought he softed tracker, why would I think tracker out of everything unless I knew there was a bulletproof? Which is also why I gave him slack. I also didn't pick up on the "cop soft claim" that someone thought meatpudding did, because my mind was never on the setup of there being a cop. On August 26 2014 16:59 JennyHell wrote: Hi MihZaaaa, we shall indeed cleanse the world! Whether I am mafia or town I would still play the exact same way, or at least try to, so that in the off chance I would get mafia in a game in the future it'll be easier for me to seem towny. I like that you are being wary of me. I am not confirmed to anyone but myself, but that said, I am a good ally to have in this world where wickedness have taken over. We need to banish it once and for all and save all of disneytopia! First time I say I'm not confirmed, more on that later. I do mention how I'm a good ally to have, because I am a PR. When you asked me to explain my comments about Meatpudding, I went back to the old game and dug out his old opening at some random page to show what I meant. So I took the effort to actually SHOW you what I meant and not just explain it. On August 27 2014 02:29 JennyHell wrote: Evening, my dears. Let's have a lil chat, shall we? I'll start with responding to this: Ok, so.. Since there are some of you that have expressed concern for my "push" on meatpope, I have now gone back to the old thread to give you an example of what kind of post I'm used to seeing from meatpoke. Example 1.) This is his first post in the thread. The game started July 29 2014 15:20. and his absolutely first post came in July 30 2014 11:09. As you can see, no flavour, no nothing. Not at all the same kind of opening as he did this game. Which is why it caught my eyes. And I wanted to let everyone know that he doesn't seem the same as last game.. Why? Ask him, not me. But here's my 2 cents. The reason might have been because he entered so late in the game so we've already come to the serious part of day 1, so there was no opportunity for him to add flavour. Although, if you ask me, I'd probably add flavour either way. People have been known to call me "Flavour Flav" after all. Or, he might just be scum, wanting to hide among the flavour of everyone else. The fact that it was different than his last game still stands. It was different, so I'm going to keep my eyes on meatproduce. It's really not that difficult to understand, is it? Here is another time where I explain that noone is confirmed to anyone but themselves so far: On August 27 2014 02:35 JennyHell wrote: It's healthy to be suspicious of everyone. One should never be treated as a "confirmed" unless they actually are 100% confirmed. At least that's my motto and I try to make everyone adapt the same kind of mindset. Besides, who wouldn't try to appear town as mafia, amirite? It's in the basics of the game really, otherwise they may as well just concede and be done with. I've done this multiple times during the game to make sure that noone was seen as confirmed that wasn't. New people easily see this as a way to gain easy town points but extremely rarely does a mafia do this because he's basically shooting himself in the foot and telling the town to not see him as confirmed town. He'd either want to do what lilwade was doing and try to skate by without having too much attention on them, or they want to do like Barakos and be seen as town by everyone and stay there to more easily win in final 3. Barakos did a good job pretending to be town. so I mentioned I didn't notice a cop soft claim, because my mind wasn't in that territory at all, I did however notice other small things, like your miscalculation of your reads. And asked you about it. On August 27 2014 02:51 JennyHell wrote: I saw you gave +1 -1 etc to people in your post and decided to check if they came to the same conclusion as you did here at the end with your mafia and town circle. The town seem fine, but on the lynch you skipped mentioning MihZaaaa that had a worse score than abuse. Care to explain that? Here is a post about the cop soft claim. On August 28 2014 04:30 JennyHell wrote: Barakos To start with I have a question. Do you usually answer your own questions before you let the person you ask answer? "Hey, I'm feeling awesome today, how are you?". I agree that if abuse had never answered the question himself, it would have been scummy. But to call him out on it so shortly after the question is a bit odd I think. You agreed with me on the soft-claim not really seeming like a soft claim, which could mean numerous things. I know why I felt that way, but even though you explained it, I have yet to truly figure out why. You picked up on the same thing I did about Superbia and his flawed maths, so that means you're paying attention and you chose to phrase it by asking rather than accusing, which I liked. You are creating conversation with people, putting your logic out there, taking theirs in. You take everyone into consideration, not leaving anyone out, which I like. There's really no need for you rethink your standpoint on me, Barakos. But again, some general suspicion is healthy. Like I said, I know why I didn't think it was a cop claim, because I'm BP so I know it wasn't an option. And again I told people that general suspicion/not confirming non confirmed is good. On August 28 2014 04:35 JennyHell wrote: Before I give my BMK list I'd like to further express 2 things. 1.) We all need to make shorter concise posts, so that mafia can't hide in the big posts. It's much easier when they have time to make their big posts that they can make more sense. Just fyi. 2.) I didn't quite expect people to take my own explanation for how I play as me being neutral. Did I scare you all from thinking I'm town? Let me make this clear. Would I play the same? Yes! People should always go out of their way to be as towny as possible. Mafia will have a much harder time being townies than actual townies, would you believe that?! Amazing how it works. On 1, I bring up a valid point. It's very towny! On 2, I facepalm at the fact that everyone take my "noone is confirmed" as a "read me as neutral" because it's sooo BS that everyone got iffy about me and me ONLY when I said that, when it was supposed to be meant for all. It was to protect us from situations like this one with Barakos. On August 28 2014 05:14 JennyHell wrote: Superbia, how invested do you feel in this game? Do you feel like you're being misread and if so, what would you be able to do differently to make people see you less scummy? Do you think mafia will try to stay under the radar or go out of their way and be one of the more noticable people? This is where I saw something of myself and my friend in you, Superbia. I was asking relevant questions and it's also where I started to have an odd feeling about Barakos, but decided to put it aside for the time being. I always carried that worry that Barakos is the mafia having infiltrated my town circle. On August 28 2014 06:01 JennyHell wrote: Seeing your responses to my questions I am beginning to like you a bit more. I'm willing to change my vote from you. You're probably just misunderstood town.. FFFFf.. haha. You're getting a townpass for today, I want to see more from you during the night and tomorrow.[/b Here you can see me "flipping" on you, because I saw myself in you. Flipping a read is not scummy if there is something that triggers it. I explained day1 how I was when I played my first game. I'll quote it for you here, it'll explain my questions to you about how invested you were in the game. On August 27 2014 02:42 JennyHell wrote: Another thing I'd like to specify is what I mean whenever I say I was "too towny". Last game was my first forum mafia game, and it kind of came as a shock to me how seriously I took it, how invested I was in it and when I was dead I was still following it closely, trying to solve the puzzle, almost ripping my hair out of my head from the frustration of not being able to voice my opinion and help the town on their way to victory. Therefore, according to me, I was too towny. Too many people read me as town and mafia decided to get rid of me. Yes, I agree that taking a rolebullet as VT is a good thing, but I just really really really wanted to play! I hope that explains it a bit better. On August 28 2014 07:00 JennyHell wrote: It's really simple actually. Meat is scummy because I don't recognize this side of him, but his logic and his reads makes sense to me even if I don't agree fully on them. I like his approach to the game. lilwade is acting the same, and although he's not contributed much, I don't feel ready to lynch him this day due to something I noticed that I don't feel comfortable sharing right now. Many things to take note of in this one. 1, me asking Barakos to be my BRIDE. 2, Barakos saying he's not willing to be my BRIDE. 3, Me yet again talking about the soft I thought lilwade made. If I spoke of it I would have outed to mafia what possible setups I saw and that I had more information so they'd know I was a role. Seeing as the mafia had a roleblocker they knew the setup and if I would have said I thought lilwade was the tracker they'd know I'm BP and I'd never take a bullet, which is something I wanted to do because it would have given town an extra misslynch before being in a bad situation. On August 28 2014 07:19 JennyHell wrote: It's less than 3 hours left. I'd like for people to get more active! We need more conversation amongst eachother. Short bursts and more people active. Here I again mention it should be shorter posts so easier to out mafia and easier to make quick conversation. This was also a very important moment of the first day where no wagons had been made yet. So my next post was: On August 28 2014 07:20 JennyHell wrote: lilwade, even though I get your vote on MihZaaaa, he currently doesn't seem like a possible lynch. Can we have 2 wagons made? Town alert! Town alert! Town alert! On August 28 2014 07:58 JennyHell wrote: Two hours left and we still haven't sorted out proper wagons. This is atrocious! It's like a playground for mafia! Wasn't it, Barakos? Good job getting gobble misslynched even though I tried my hardest to save him. What followed was lots of short bursts of be trying to defend gobble who wouldn't even defend himself properly, which I did because I felt in my gut that he was town. Risky play indeed. Best case scenario he flips town and I take a bullet in the night. Worst case scenario, he flips mafia and I seem like I tried to protect a mafia teammate and then I'd have to claim my role, which I did not want to do. But I felt super strongly that gobble was town so I defended him and 1 of the mafia moved off him, along with 1 town. I called out flaws people made in their votes. Saying he's probably town but still voting for him. Noone else picked up on that detail. Town alert! I took my time with gobble, tried to reason with him, ask him questions. I was the first to give him a shot, and only after I did others started too. On August 28 2014 08:25 JennyHell wrote: Because even if you feel like noone is listening you should definitely try try try and try again. If you are dying now, then don't let your last time alive be fruitless. Scumhunt, get your reads out there. Make people realize at least further down the line that they were wrong, being able to get back to your posts, and make new calculations of the game based on that new information. Giving up is the absolute worst thing ever, especially if one is VT, because people think that "Oh VT have no important role" wrong. It's a numbers game. If we keep our numbers up it'll increase our chances of outliving the mafia. On August 28 2014 08:44 JennyHell wrote: What I don't like right now is how hard everyone was willing to go at gobble without questioning him at all. It wasn't until I started asking questions that other people did too. Then again I pressured people about the wagons: On August 28 2014 08:48 JennyHell wrote: Can we please please please divide into two proper wagons? On August 28 2014 09:18 JennyHell wrote: Wouldn't it be more beneficial for town if we lynch a mafia today instead of a ragemonster that clearly overreacted but most people say it probably town yet still voting for? Cough cough town! On August 28 2014 09:23 JennyHell wrote: To me he felt like annoyed town that flipped crazy balooba over something that I have no clue what. Right now the only way I see him mafia is if you're partnered with him, since he went craycray after your vote on him and maybe it's a buss by his teammate. I dno.. The only way I saw him as mafia at that point was if he flipped because his teammate bussed him. That didn't seem very likely, especially since I had you as a town read then. Another reason for my hard defense. On August 28 2014 09:33 JennyHell wrote: The point with my vote is that there is no caveat in my vote. I don't say "you're probably town, let's kill you!" Oh my gawd, can one get more towny? During the first night I took time to explain some things to the Roleplayer, town alert! On August 28 2014 11:29 JennyHell wrote: Daydreamarine, Your roleplaying is hilarious and I don't mind you doing it, but there are certain things you need to understand. You HAVE to vote. Everyone must vote before the end of the day. You need to figure out the 2 people you think are the wicked ones. If they outlive the rest of us this game is over and we have lost. It's basically a communicative puzzle. Don't expect many people liking your roleplay, because it's so out of the ordinary, it could make them feel as if you are not focusing on the game and could potentially get you mislynched. So if you intend on keeping on with the roleplaying, don't forget to actually analyze the game in ways that even us non-roleplayers can understand. That way we can read you where you are coming from and get a better knowledge of wether or not you are one of the wicked ones. During the night I gave you all some really important and good pointers. Yet again saying noone is confirmed. On August 28 2014 23:31 JennyHell wrote: I am not going to do much during the nightphase. Mafia doesn't need more reasons to shoot me and I will instead spend most of the nightphase sorting out my reads privately, doing some votecounting and what not. All I want to say is that the only one that is confirmed town is the guy that died. Noone else is confirmed. To me, it's me and a dead guy. To you it should be you and a dead guy. Yes, people have been doing towny things but that should not make them confirmed, me included. I went hard on defense of Gobble because I have experience of similar behaviour in people playing videomafia. There was no logical reason for him to flip as mafia in that particular moment unless so and so had happened. That along with the fact that everyone was willing to vote him off because of BM just felt like everyone dropped their initial thought of scumhunting and instead went for someone, like I pointed out they said, they feel is town but vote on anyways. We all need to go back, filter through all the bogus of day1 and try to sort our reads out. We have new information that gobble is confirmed town. Who did he align himself with, who went hard against him, who did he read as scum and why. All these things are something we need to take into consideration, and then we also need to look at the voting patterns. Who voted and when, who decided to go at him after he used profanity etc. Do some leg work people, I know I will. I come back and bring up logic about the voting, I also come back with info about gobble during the entire day1. I did crazy leg work, did the others?! On August 29 2014 05:08 JennyHell wrote: Barakos, you mention that if MihZaa flips red you think I could possibly be his scum partner. Try to see it from the other end. What if I were to flip scum, who'd be my partner then? Do you still reach the same conclusion that it would be MihZaaaa? That said, how likely do you feel it is that I flip scum after I've been vomiting town all over this entire game? Barakos mentioned me being scum if MihZaaa is scum. So I asked him to take the train from the other direction and see if he ended up where he started, town town town! He said something and then asked me not to ask him those kind of questions anymore, and I responded with this: On August 29 2014 06:14 JennyHell wrote: Barakos, the reason I asked was because you were willing to make analogies based on whether MihZaa flipped scum, so I wanted to see if you felt like you'd come to the same conclusion if you swapped it around, because I wouldn't have. Interaction with mafia goes both ways and if you are willing to put 2 people together, you must be able to see it lining up from both directions, but he couldn't, because none of us are mafia! Before night ended I made a super towny post about reads and then I gave my reads and quoted my previous post. On August 29 2014 06:37 JennyHell wrote: If I die tonight, then look in to these people: Breshke, I went hard at him and he was my final vote. He's also not contributed much in my opinion. lilwade, his activity is super low. I saw something in one of his posts that gave him a pass for the day and was going to keep my eyes on him for day 2. He should not be off the scum radar. Barakos, I know most of us are reading him as town but remember, noone is confirmed! Daydreamarine, I asked him a question during the night and tried to do it in a roleplay fashion. Make sure he answers it and hopefully that will help you with him. Remember this post: Strong stances people. It's better to change your mind as more info comes to you. This is day 2 coming up and we've already had 1 mislynch. We can't afford many more. To end this post, no matter who dies, ask yourself who had anything to gain from this nightkill. I was talking as if I would die because I was hoping I'd get shot, so noone would have died. Also, look, both mafia in there. I should have listened to my own reads more. That's day1 and n1, I have to go do some cleaning now, got company tomorrow morning. I'll come back and finish this up a little bit later. 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Ok, day 2. On August 29 2014 12:58 JennyHell wrote: Ok, so why was meatpudding the kill? The rolehunting seems real. I think it had something to do with that cop soft claim that was mentioned during day1. That even he said wasn't at all a soft. I guess they just didn't want to take the risk. The one that I knew was not real! On August 29 2014 14:39 JennyHell wrote: Today we really need to focus on creating wagons. Wagons help us get proper information about voting! The way day1 ended was not good for town. If we had proper wagons D1 I might have been able to save gobble from being mislynched. Therefore, asking for it D2. Abuse then came out and said he was roleblocked/jailkept/both. I ask him further questions about it, since I was also, and I felt it was more likely that I was jailkept than roleblocked if it was between me and abuse. Therefore, I shouldn't out that I was jailkept because then I give away the exact setup to mafia, seeing as the nightkill was meatpudding, the guy that supposedly claimed cop. On August 29 2014 17:44 JennyHell wrote: Abuse, a couple of questions while you are here: I have no clue what question I must have missed that you were talking about, would you mind directing me to it? Why do you think you were roleblocked? Do you think they think you softed a role? How come lilwade is so high on your list? I gave him a pass for Day1, but I don't feel the same anymore. I then followed up my comment about lilwade. On August 29 2014 23:50 JennyHell wrote: Ok, here's my explanation for why I gave lilwade slack day 1 and don't feel the same anymore. He comes out in his first post by saying "Let it go, let it goooo!" I instantly think about the song and realizes that there are some words in it that would fit a tracker amazingly, so I say "How am I supposed to follow you if there's no footprint to be seen?" to see if he reacts to it. He responded rather cheerfully and then at a later stage I felt that he softed tracker in one of his posts. Now that abuse has come out as being roleblocked it means that tracker is a less likely role, unless abuse is testing us all to see if he can out roles. Roles should not out, by the way. But that also meant that I'm back to the point where I feel like lilwade just haven't done enough. Therefore, no longer cutting him the slack that I did day1. However, I still had scummier reads, so I wanted to push on those first. But as you can see I no longer cut him the slack that Barakos claim I did. By this point I still didn't want to reveal to mafia what the setup was. I thought about it a long while and then came my post where I told people I was RB/JK. On August 30 2014 00:07 JennyHell wrote: I've been contemplating this back and forth for a while. I got roleblocked/jailed in the night as well. The reasoning for me not wanting to out this straight away is rather complex. I'll run it down for you guys so you can see my train of thought. I didn't know which one I was targeted by to start with, and I didn't want to out to the mafia team that there is a jailed, had it not been them that targeted me. I felt like it was more likely that I was jailed rather than roleblocked due to how towny I was most of the day but especially at the end of day1. I was likely to be one of the people mafia would want to get rid of. The kill being meatpudding and the whole ordeal about him softing cop made me think that mafia probably were non the wiser about the setup so far and thought there might be a cop among us townsfolk, so if I outed I was jailed/roleblocked and they weren't the ones doing it to me they would know the setup. If I don't out I was jailed/roleblocked and mafia did roleblock abuse, that would mean they still have it in the back of their mind that there is a cop out there. However, if mafia roleblocked me and they've seen that abuse was jailed and I haven't claimed it opens up a window in which they can fake claim cop and while I wouldn't let them live through it, it could possibly throw town in the wrong direction. Now that it's been a while and I've seen some discussion back and forth I'd rather make sure we are all on the same page here with what the setup is. That way we are all on the same level and we all have the same information. TL;DR - 2 people were roleblocked/jailed in the night. The setup is therefore setup A, unless abuse is lying to out a role, which seems highly unlikely in a newbie mafia game. This explains my abuse lie thing, a possibility since I didn't know who the mafia were. On August 30 2014 00:19 JennyHell wrote: Firstly, in a MyLo you novote and let it go to final 3. Secondly, the bolded part. It's just one theory that circled in my head before I went to bed. Say abuse is mafia roleblocker, he outs he was roleblocked/jailed to see if anyone else says they have been. Someone that isn't the one he used his roleblocking on. That way he knows there is a jailkeeper in the game and can stop worrying about the possibility of a cop outing. This was again in correlation to the nightkill having "soft claimed cop". I got a fever and decided to spend most of the time resting. The activity was poor and there were no wagons. So I came back and helped town on the right foot. On August 31 2014 00:33 JennyHell wrote: Okay, I refuse to see this day end like day 1 did. We need to start forming the wagons so that everyone can defend themselves, should they need it, based on their timezones. MihZaa is going to be my target. He's a huge questionmark for me, he's done nada today which is an important day and this might seem like a dumb thing to say but I don't want to risk having a huge questionmark like him in final 3. Barakos, I like your case on Superbia, but I can't help but feel he is just donkey town. I also agree that Daydreamarine is town. I have huge difficulties seeing him as mafia, especially with all the "dumbtelling" he's been doing. And I love the fact that he was willing to give up the roleplay and try this game out. Breshke, still not feeling ok with you, but atleast you've been here and acted somewhat more ok today. I will keep my eyes on you and just because you're not MY wagon for today doesn't mean you are town. lilwade, I'm done giving you slack for softing Tracker. I wouldn't be surprised if I just misread the entire situation and you didn't soft at all. You need to amp up your activity if you're to convince me you're town. abuse, I still have you as a towny. You and Barakos both gave good reasons for superbia being scummy, and while I don't necessarily agree it just feels like it's towny coming from you. As soon as you came out with having been roleblocked I kept asking myself "Why would mafia target abuse?" and this semi-confirmed you for me. They obviously thought you were a threat enough to want to block you. If it's the other way around, that I was blocked and you were jailed, which I don't think is likely, then I don't understand what the Jailer is doing. Anyways, let's form those wagons! ##Vote: MihZaaa As you can see I didn't even tell my stance on Barakos this day because I had put him back to neutral. lilwade was still scummy and I asked him to amp up his activity if he were to prove himself town to me. On August 31 2014 00:40 JennyHell wrote: Vote vote vote people. The sooner you vote so we get an overview the better for town! Wow, look at that towny making a towny comment! On August 31 2014 02:20 JennyHell wrote: lilwade, MihZaa, Superbia As soon as you guys log on, make sure to vote. The sooner we have our wagons the better overview town gets and the wagons can defend themselves. Living in the dark, not knowing where day2 is headed is bad. We don't want a repeat of day1. Another towny comment, especially since I didn't like 2 of the people in there. lilwade and MihZaa. I did not want mafia to swing the votes at the end. Now take a look at these 2 comments: On August 31 2014 09:44 JennyHell wrote: I've already said that I gave lilwade slack day1 due to thinking he softed tracker etc. That is no longer an available role and I wanted to see way more from him. Right now I see him as rather scummy for not taking part in this. I woke up just to be here when it ends btw. On August 31 2014 09:46 JennyHell wrote: Totally not feeling better, but I wanted to be here for the end of day. As a mafia I would have known I'd already secured a mislynch due to the 2 wagons, so I wouldn't have cared to set an alarm and wake up when having fever, just to be there at the end. I cared enough to put my own health aside and want the best for town. If this doesn't speak for me being town, I don't know what does. On August 31 2014 10:13 JennyHell wrote: This is bad.. We'll enter mylo.. Fffff... A genuine reaction to what might happen unless I get shot or JK gets a save. On September 01 2014 03:33 JennyHell wrote: Not sure how I feel about PR claiming. It's very situational. The problem with one being a bulletproof is that mafia knows not to put their KP on that person in the night and it will be easier for them to find the jailkeeper, when in this situation he's very much needed. We'll just have to wait and see what happens, and then make that call when we get there. Said this because I am the BP and I didn't want to out because it's a bad play for town. If I was mafia I'd easily have gone with you on that silly idea, hoping for a PR to claim so I'd have an easier time knowing who is safe to kill in the night. This bit was funny actually. I wanted to help the JK without letting mafia know who it was. On September 01 2014 20:52 JennyHell wrote: None of you were RB'd? Maybe JK picked abuse, but that'd be an odd pick since it didn't seem likely mafia would pick him after finding out the JK went through even thought they RB'd him. aka, he's not the JK. they'd want to target 2 others. One with RB, one with their kill. lilwade was modkilled for inactivity and not voting, so he probably didn't RB anyone. So either JK put his save on daydream or on abuse and it would have been wasted on abuse. Daydreamarine, were you RB'd? I was fairly sure that Daydream was the jailkeeper as this point and hinted at him that he should claim being RB'd so that mafia wouldn't think he was the one, and perhaps try to shoot me instead, because then none would die in the night. I think he picked up on it, because he claimed having been RB'd. I think it worked, I was shot in the night. Sadly enough Daydream didn't do anything in the night so he was modkilled. SO MANY MODKILLS THIS GAME..... Why do people sign up and agree to this and then don't play it? Like, I don't get it. Have nothing to say in the night? At least make a smiley.. Or something to show you are still active. Town was forced into a mylo due to modkills and luckily my vest was hit in the night or otherwise Barakos would have won with a kill seeing as there was a modkill as well. And here we are, with Barakos claiming my role and me counterclaiming him, the way you want it to happen, Superbia. | ||
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On September 05 2014 00:41 Superbia wrote: Some directed questions for now: Jenny, why did you want to marry Barakos at EoD2? Barakos, why did you agree? Because I wasn't sure on him anymore and therefore I wanted to see where he stood by testing him with that question. He had made some comments before that which said he was ok with lilwade because I gave him slack, but he wanted MihZaaaa gone because he had been silent. It seemed a bit off and I wasn't sure what to think of Barakos at this point. I'll show you. On August 31 2014 09:28 Superbia wrote: Alright, thanks Amiko. Do we want to start a push on lilwade? On August 31 2014 09:33 Barakos wrote: I am not sold on lynching wade. Jenny gave him the benefit of the doubt. If anybody deserves to get lynched for inactivity this day, it is MihZaaa, who failed to post and vote. Amiko - what happens in the case of this double-infraction? On August 31 2014 09:42 Barakos wrote: Actually... I don't fancy voting for you over MihZaaa anymore. This silence is annoying. I will digg into lilwade tomorrow to get him talking, Jenny is absolutely right, when she says, that blank-reads shouldn't be in mylo, MihZaaa is a blank read, so get rid of him... On top of that, you made a lot more sense today, than you did all D1 and your posts got more serious. Maybe this pressure was, what was needed, to get you on valid town-game. ##unvote ##vote MihZaaa On August 31 2014 09:44 JennyHell wrote: I've already said that I gave lilwade slack day1 due to thinking he softed tracker etc. That is no longer an available role and I wanted to see way more from him. Right now I see him as rather scummy for not taking part in this. I woke up just to be here when it ends btw. | ||
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It's not like anything else will change with the votes. You're the swing. Btw, Quasimodo isn't even a suggested jailkeeper and he didn't claim it properly when he came out. That's all I want to say as the ending. I wish you and me the best of luck with your voting, Superbia. And Barakos, if you win, GG you played well and had me fooled for a while. | ||
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On September 05 2014 01:19 JennyHell wrote: I know mod said all the names are for fun and not strategy, but all names have checked out so far, so why wouldn't the bulletproof? Nice try tho, Barakos. | ||
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If there's anything you want me to explain or you're wondering, ask. I will answer anything you have to ask. I don't mind doing leg work and showing you what I mean with things. If you think anything I did was mafia oriented tell me what and I will explain why it was from a town perspective, because I know I am town. I would love for town to win this game, me my second game and you your first game. | ||
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Remember what I've said and done this game. Ask yourself, if I was mafia why would I try to kill Barakos? What do I possibly have to gain from that? Either way, whatever you'll vote you probably won't be swayed if it's wrong, I've seen you be adamant and hard headed before, so I will cross my fingers and hope that town wins, while I sleep. Goooooooood night and good luck, Barakos. | ||
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I was pretty sure that Superbia had already made his mind up, and seeing how he wouldn't sway d1 with the gobble vote I felt it completely useless to stay awake for another hour to try to make him change his mind. That's why I went to bed. I chose to put my own health first this time and guess what, I don't regret it. When Superbia asked us to dive ourselves I spent 3 hours doing that. Barakos did nothing. I wonder who the town is. The one who actually tries and is willing to do legwork to show you why she is town and why things that she's done is from a towny perspective, or the person that doesn't give a shit about how you want to do the final 3 and just ends up questioning you? I think my experience from watching a lot of videomafia, modding it and playing some is making me too annoyed playing these newbie games. I will probably take a break from forum mafia for a while. I poured my heart and soul into this game, being here even when I had a fever. Now I'm done. | ||
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Forum mafia is draining because it takes time and dedication. If you can't be here and devote such time and dedication then the games will end up with tons of modkills, like this one. What you all need to remember is that this is Superbias first game. Everyone have different amount of experience with the game and shitting on someone after a game that they went to final 3 in, is not very nice. So shame on you. Yes, it was frustrating, but that's just how this game is. To be able to handle mafia, especially if it's live mafia or video mafia you just need to be a bit tougher and try to not let things people say and do phase you. It's not a game of being nice and stroking eachothers egos nor is it a game of insults and bad mannerism. It's a game of lies and deceit. Me taking a break for a while has nothing to do with Superbia and the choice he made, more about the effort I put in to it and now I just need a breather. | ||
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