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I am with abuse at this point in time... rereading your filter, there are several moments, where I stumbled over some things, that I didn't like.
Your D1:
First there was your megapost. Bad formatted, with small content and many null-statements from you... "yeah", "allright", "cool"...
You also kept it in a very trollish tone (for my ears), so whenever someone would go through this post, you could say "Well... I was only half serious at this point.", which you did several times. Your answers to criticism are offhand, like when you were called out on having missread some posts you said "well, i missread you, fuck me, right?", or something like "private reads".
The former plays down the misstakes you made, while the "fuck me" part simultaneously implies, that it would be over the top to go at you for this minor mistake, the latter is a weak excuse for inconsistent logic while buying time to find an excuse, should anybody follow you up on those inconsistencies.
In your case vs abuse, you overinterpreted things, you were missing posts from him and you stick with your case, until there is a better opportunity to lynch someone. You going for gobbledydook actually makes quite some sense, since he thought you were one of the more scummier people in this thread.
Then, when Jenny voted on you, you gave a comprehensible defense, for which I liked you at the time - you didn't overdefend like others did and you made sense.
Now, rereading this defense I saw something, that I missed earlier:
On August 28 2014 05:21 Superbia wrote:
I'd like MeatProbability's and Barakos' opinion on me and the whole "taking shit out of context" conundrum. They are my top town at the moment.
I missed the " 'd " the whole time... I gave you my opinion on your overreads and rushed vote on abuse already. You even interacted with me about this point. Yet still you ask me about my opinion again?
This is again a sign, that you didn't read through the thread... you even forgot about some of your interaction with me and yet you still claim this:
On August 28 2014 05:32 Superbia wrote:
I'm pretty invested in the game. I've put a lot of time and energy into it.
This doesn't add up for me.
I know, i gave you several townreads up until now, but looking at it now, with the thought in mind, that my 3 of my most likely town-people (gobbledydook, abuse, daydreamarine; gobbledydook being the hard-confirmed, abuse being 95% confirmed, daydreamarine being 99% confirmed) had/have you on their suspectlist made me reevaluate things.
Granted, daydreamarines case is not plausible but still i don't question his intention behind his suspicion.
Your way of posting things D1 - the confusing format, the over the top accusation, the partialy offhand retorts to people pointing out flaws in your line of argumentation, you missing things, that should have been important to you and not slipped your eye at the time you posted them, you switching your vote to someone, who had you as a suspect as well - makes you look like you tried to confuse the whole thread more, than you wanted to get a discussion started.
Your N1:
You posted a complete read-list, in which you didn't give away too many new things. Basically you just summed things up and gave some general reads in the tone of "town atm, would like some more activity", "iffy about meatpudding, but there are better lynches" "there is a chance, he is mafia, but gets a townpass for now"... in basically every read you give some pros and some cons on the person, you are looking into without actually forming a firm opinion. The only things to which you commit on in your list are Jenny and me as no-lynches and MihZaaa and Breshke as top-wagons. Things that were very well in line with the general tone of the thread at the moment. So overall this now seems like you just made sure nothing in this list would actually stick out, so nobody would be able to call you hard on flaws in this list.
You then follow up your list of reads with a list of times, how long people were active... Totally letting aside, that you ignore the fact, that meatpudding is in a totally different timezone than MihZaaa and me... what was your point? You didn't follow this up at all and just let it stand there for itself without any further comment or reads out of this.
Might be trying to keep a list but also might be you trying to make others look suspicious without doing anything yourself and just hoping that somebody would make something out of this.
After that you again asked me something, I had already answered a few posts before - this time my opinion on MihZaaa.
You also start with a new theme in your posts: nagging on people that were absent... first by asking me about the possibilities of daydreamarine being mafia. A person on which nobody at this time could have an actual sensible read.
And after I don't answer to your satisfaction, you let the topic slide for now but not without giving it a final subtle push by saying mafia might have been alone D1.
Then we come into D2.
You start it off with this:
On August 29 2014 10:01 Superbia wrote:
Easiest fucking deflect of my life. Donkey mafia, how does it feel to be remote controlled?
I don't like this post at all... for several reasons.
The first reason why I didn't like it is also the reason, why I didn't call you out on this, because the reason has no ingame-relevance. I will just give it now, for everyone to understand, why I pick it up only now and not earlier.
I absolutely hate all those stupid sentences like "easiest ... of my life" / "ez ... ez life" / "2ez4..." "kappa" ... twitch-chat basically... I hate it from the bottom of my heart.
So this is only a problem I have with the words you phrased it in and I didn't want to let this cloud my judgement and that is why I ignored the post for the most time. I even defended it vs daydreamarine and explained it to him.
What I don't like is that you taunt mafia in it. Why would anybody do this in forum-mafia? It is highly unlikely that this will have any effect, because even if mafia is a little pissed at this comment... there are two days of D2 to calm down after it.
So why do it? Out of overconfidence? Or out of confidence, that there won't be any ramifications, because you didn't have to fear mafia? I just don't understand, why someone would put this out.
What you also do, is try to take credit for deflecting any nightkills off of Jenny, you and me with your last comment before EoN... have you ever thought about the line of thought, that your claim on meatpudding being cop was the reason he died? No. Why not? Maybe because the reason is, that you know, that he died because of mafia rolehunting. Yet still you try to appear heroic and clever by pushing mafia away from killing one out of Jenny, you and me.
Then your next D2-actions sum up as complaining about only MihZaaa and Breshke being the only wagon without providing something new except you stating, that you don't like abuses opinions on MihZaaa - and ask him about it - fully aware, that he can't really interact with you, cause he told us in advance, that he wouldn't be here for some time.
Or did you miss this post as well? Cause I know for sure, that you missed one of my posts again, since you asked me, since when I had daydreamarine as confirmed town.
So all in all I don't have you in my town anymore and at the moment am more willing to join abuse and daydreamarine than to defend you.
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And on another note: get well soon, Jenny. We need you here!
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On August 30 2014 08:59 Breshke wrote:
For me it was a bonus that Jenny was the other person that was role blocked as at the time i was starting to live in a world where as i explained previously jennys defense of dook was just an easy way to get town points and she was going to coast her way to an easy victory. Now that she has claimed role blocked i think that world would be less likely as she could have just kept that information to herself and on the off chance she is lieing i think that situation will resolve itself.
I have given the idea of a fake-claim by Jenny some thought as well.
For me, there is no way of her fakeclaiming...
There are severel scenarios:
- Jenny is Mafia and therefore knows that abuse was blocked by her team - in this scenario Jenny has either one or two townpeople, who could prove her wrong.
Either the Jailer or the cop/medic-duo. There is no way in hell, that mafia would sacrifice themself this early in the game, just to find out powerroles. Jenny would have instantly been called and lynched and her mafiabuddy would be alone. Scum-Jenny is to smart to take such a huge risk this early in the game.
- Jenny is vanilla town - again 3 possible people, who would counterclaim her. Again Jailer + Cop/Doc. Her fakeclaim would give away at least one town-powerrole, cause a misslynch and would confuse town totally. Town-Jenny will never do this, as it causes only damage to town and does town no good.
- Jenny is Jailer in this case, the person she had blocked would have claimed so. Again her fake-claiming of being blocked will cause confusion, a misslynch, a dead powerrole... no chance, this is possible
- Jenny is Doc/Cop and claims being blocked to not give away the real rolesetup. In this scenario the other powerrole could claim that he is cop/doc, again, mafia knows the setup, one powerrole would be out in the open, Jenny would get misslynched because of the claim... There is the chance, that the other townrole would see through this maneuver and stay silent, but I don't think anybody would do this, because it would be too suspicious by Jenny... so this scenario could probably work for her but again - this is not a risk Jenny would take.
For me, her claim is confirmed.
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On August 30 2014 23:15 Breshke wrote:
Barakos since you might be around, if you had been there at EoD would you have changed your vote if so on to who?
Honestly I don't know.
I had a non-townie vibe from what he wrote and I don't want to make a call on how I would have behaved, had I been there the last 1.5 hours. Jenny had a really strong feeling about him not being scum and it is possible, that she could have convinced me to switch but this is all theoretic. This is all an instinct-thing and I can't give any authentic insight on what the last part of the day felt like, cause I reread the pages I missed after i knew, gobbledydook flipped town and therefore knew, what was behind his posts, why he got mad, why he did try to convince people to vote on you. I might have switched, because of Jennys feeling and this might have convinced me.
And I can't tell you, where my vote would have ended either, because again... I reread the EoD with the knowledge of gobble being town, and this also might change the way I interpret stuff you all said, because I knew, who was wrong and who wasn't.
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This will be considerations I will make at night in case superbia is lynched and flipped red.
Lilwade is a good suspect but then again... his activity is so low, that it doesn't come surprising, that he doesn't have a full read on everybody. Speaking of him - he hasn't answered me yet, which is also annoying. How are you supposed to read someone like him? Same goes for MihZaaa, of whom we haven't heard a single word since his answer to my question and his vote on gobbledydook.
You to some extend as well, but at least you are here at the moment, trying to make sense out of the game. I also like the fact that you acknowledge, that you might be a wagon today and not flip out like gobble yesterday but stay calm and try to fight the upcoming wagon.It is good, that you think about Jennys motives and also had the idea in mind, that her claim may be false. Even if this is highly unlikely.
What's your opinion on this btw? You just brought up the idea but never followed it up?
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Ok... I am fine with forming a wagon on superbia. MihZaaa has given no content today, so I am not comfortable with voting on him. superbia has enough content for me, to scumread him, which I did.
My reasoning can be found here.
##Vote: Superbia
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On August 31 2014 00:46 Daydreamarine wrote:
##Vote: Superbia
Don't know, how accurate Amiko is with the format, but you might want to bold this for readability.
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Ok... since there is no input from any of the two buses we will have to do their defending on our own or else we will have a silent End of Day. -.-'
Jenny - have you gone through my case? If so, did you find flaws in it?
You say your feeling is, that superbia is donkey-town, so this concerns me, since your feeling was spoton at the end of D1.
At the same time, can you bring up something more against MihZaaa than "he has done nothing, I don't want questionmarks in the final 3."
I said something similar about gobbledydook and this seems to be not the best reasoning for lynching someone.
At the moment I feel like MihZaa hasn't been talked about at all today (i know, there are some posts, where he was mentioned), due to his absence and this makes him impossible to read for me.
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First of all:
When I said you missread posts, I don't blame you for drawing wrong conclusions on people by calling them scum/town for the wrong reasons. This are things, that are bound to happen in this game, since everybody has a different way of interpreting stuff, what i meant is, that you just didn't read a post thoroughly enough so that your mistakes don't result in you missinterpreting, but in you not actually reading the post right. Kind of, what happened to me with the "I like" vs. "I 'd like"; only in a much bigger scale.
You miss one of my main points.
I am not pushing you on your private reads or on your offhand answers and things one by one...
What I am saying is, that they all add up and up and up.
Your day 1 posts as a whole paint a are trollish and distracting picture. (I don't know how to express this any better.)
And I don't deny, that you gathered informations at day 1. I question your motives.
On the MihZaaa-Topic and your request. You gave exactly the explanation, that I offered you, after calling you out.
This is something that is missing in my original case. I didn't find your answer to it, at the moment I was writing it and forgot about it, when proofreading it. Sloppy work by me. -.-'
I don't want to go over your whole defense any further, since we don't have the most time left and we would go back and forth over details.
Just know, that my general impression of you is, that you don't pay the needed amount of attention, because I got the impression you missed several posts. For now I think, this is, because you are not too concerned if your cases are as accurate, as they can be.
But whatever. You are here, this is good. Let's get work done. I don't want to miss this lynch again.
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I have read it all already and I hear what you say.
I wanted to make my point clear about the first part, since I don't want you to get mad.
It's up to you, to dicide, if you want to discuss this with me up unto the last detail.
I gave you my opinion on you and this is where i stand after reading all of your defense. If we find someone more suitable to be mafia, I will switch this vote.
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On August 31 2014 04:31 Superbia wrote:
Barakos, why do you feel there's not need to respond to the rest of my defense but still keep your vote on me? If you're going to vote on me, isn't it important for you to get as much information as you can on the defendant, to ensure it's not a miss lynch?
Yes it is. But you said you are looking for other buses and while we still got time, it is limited. So - up to you, to decide. Chances are, you find a more promising lynch, which would do you more good, than argueing with me about some details, since my opinion still stands.
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Nevermind, you said you are eating, so I might as well post the rest of my thoughts, you can still choose, if you want to argue on them or not; also I realize, I have to give you this thoughts, so you can defend yourself. I'll also explain, what I meant with not wanting to discuss this with you.
On August 31 2014 03:10 Superbia wrote:
I'll just say it at this point, because it didn't work, it was a play. Two of your reads are correct on this post, it's meant to taunt mafia and be annoying (specifically towards mafia). I was hoping one of the higher-rated towns (e.g. Jenny or yourself) would pick up on it and mirror it to be more annoying towards mafia. It's meant to bait out mafia to become agitated and justify the(/their) lynch (indirectly, most likely). Notice the missdirection during EoN1 also acts as a prelude. Provided, it doesn't have a high chance of success, but it doesn't take up any time.
I don't like to accept the "I can't interact with you" line. Besides, I can still ask questions and he can answer them later as far as I care. I'm not going to push someone for ignoring things I ask, else I would probably have to start pushing on everyone.
Here's my fear for tonight:
MihZaaa doesn't show up -> we don't lynch him because lynching lurkers is a big risk -> he takes the free warning and shows up on day 3.
Can we get a wagon other than me? I would like to have higher chances of killing scum.
First: Thanks for explaining the first post after the nightpost. I didn't see it this way. Never crossed my mind, to join in in something like this, since I don't see anybody falling for this. We will just have to life with the fact, that we got different approaches on this post.
Second: I bolded this part: I already did. This is exactly, what I am talking about, when I say, you invoke the impression of not reading the thread close enough. I don't expect you, to know the thread insideout, but this was a post, in which I was defending you from daydreamarines attack. You must have seen this post...
But this is, what I mean, when I say, that I don't really want to discuss this. A discussion like this has a high chance of ending in an arguement, that goes like "you see, you did this again" - "yeah, right... i missed one single post. fuck me, right?" - "i called you on this also." - ...
Which would lead to nothing, but waste both of our time.
Third: I am uncomfortable with lynching inactives and therefore am really concerned about heading into a lynchvote with one inactive and you. This inactivity by almost all just sucks.
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On August 31 2014 04:48 Superbia wrote:
So you'd rather join a bus than start one yourself? Why?
I think I gave a pretty good reason to join your bus, or do you think I made this decission lightly and without thinking about it?
Yes, I am following my main-townreads.
No, I am not mindlessly joining a bus, to make my life easy. You said it yourself. I was the first, to make a complete case on you.
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superbia:
I like, that you don't jump on Breshke and I agree with you, that the little things he contributed today all seem towny.
I was on him today aswell, but all he wrote, especially the part about the roles was credible for me.
You not jumping on Breshke right now, even though you are in need of another lynch-target, seems to me, like you actually try to solve this game.
On lilwade I can fully agree as well. His posts up until now are very null to me or I had mixed feelings about them. Him not answering my followup-questions is annoying as f***. The only thing that prevents me from going at him today is his promise to follow up and his absence. He is the second case of somebody being absent and thereby dodging further investigation by me.
Also i can see now, why you didn't mention my answer and point at your previous post. Makes sense, to repeat this and to give a general explanation, since you are not only talking to me, but everybody else.
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I'm here... fire away, if you got something to talk about.
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You already showed me, that I was too harsh at some points. That's also, why I am reevaluating the times I called you out for missing posts atm.
As I said, fire away. I'll answer and try not to be too picky.
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1) meatpudding and gobbledydook are town
2) daydreamarine is as good as confirmed town
3) Jenny was blocked - since this claim would have been too risky, if it was a fake-claim
4) Abuses claim
Note: This is also a ranking of credibility from 100% down to ~90%
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I don't read anything into the absence/presence at EoD1...
daydreamarine said, he was there and just didn't post. Others might have done the same.
This is all speculation, all we know is, who was there.
There might have been players present, who haven't posted and there also could have been players absent, who would have wanted to be there - abuse comes to mind here.
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*who was there and posted
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lilwade and mihzaaa for absence
Breshke did some work today, that put him into my leaning town.
you are also not as scummy for me, as you were, when i made my post.
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