EPTStill not making sense out of the kill on meatpudding.
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Barakos
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Still not making sense out of the kill on meatpudding. | ||
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I am off to my lunchbreak now, so no further analysis on who would profit in an non-obvious way. This will be one of the many things we need to figure out till EoD. Thank god it's friday. | ||
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On August 10 2014 07:34 Amiko wrote: In sum, the setups will be RNG'd among the following: (A) Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, 1-Shot Bulletproof Town, 6x Vanilla Town (B) 2x Mafia Goon, Town Cop, 7x Vanilla Town (C) 2x Mafia Goon, Town Doctor, Town Tracker, 6x Vanilla Town (1) 2x Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, 7x Vanilla Town (2) Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, 6x Vanilla Town (3) 2x Mafia Goon, 1-Shot Bullteproof Town, Town Tracker, 6x Vanilla Town Mafia KP is always 1. Mafia may not no-kill, but may self-target their KP. Mafia roleblocker may roleblock and night-kill in the same night. Mafia roleblocker's action resolves before a Jailer's action. In setup A there are two blocking-roles in roleblock and jailkeeper. Given, that abuse was blocked, this is one possible scenario of role-distribution. Ohter possible scenarios are 1 and 2 with either a jailkeeper and nobody else being able to block someone or a mafia roleblocker with again nobody else to block someone. We can't be sure, which scenario we are in yet, since we don't know about other powerroles except for somebody being able to roleblock/jail somebody. As for, what is shown "on screen" as far as I understand it, the blocked / jailed person recieves a message. In abuses case, he choose to reveal his message to all of us. There is no further moderator-notification in this thread about blocks and jails, as far as i know. | ||
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What about your read, you promised us, daydreamarine? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/464494-newbie-lviii-disney-princess-mafia?page=27#523 | ||
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Now that you read my idea the right way... do you agree? | ||
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You both said you had some hint on lilwade, which you didn't want to give out but wanted to wait. Somebody who reads this might interpret this as you waiting for a nightphase to check wade before giving out your tell. Did I mix something up here? Do you really not see this logic? At this point I am trying to understand the block on you and this would be my best guess... | ||
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So in case it was a roleblocker, that blocked you, this would explain this... There is still the chance of the jailer, thinking you were mafia as well... but that doesn't make sense... there would have been better targets to block. As a jailer you either block your most obvious scum in order to prevent the nightkills or you block your top town in order to protect him from a nightkill, even if this means you may prevent an allys special ability from working. But let's not get sidetracked by this, as this is to much theoretical consideration. Back to the hard fact, that meatpudding died. | ||
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On August 29 2014 22:27 Daydreamarine wrote: Which indicates to me that he is fake claiming jailkeeper to get the real jailkeeper lynched at the end of the day. I don’t think that he is the real Jailkeeper because giving away your role immediately like this is bad for you and the town. I have to defend superbia at this point, since I feel you totally missunderstood him. The way he meant his sentence was, that he threatend to reevaluate Jenny and me, if none of the two of us was killed that night. And his opinion was, that both, Jenny and I are alive because of this thread to reevaluate, like "i tricked mafia into lynching a lower priority target by saying i would misstrust Jenny and Barakos, if the don't die." In his opionon he out-mindgamed mafia. This by no means is a claim of a powerrole, since at the time superbia said this, there was nothing, that even hinted at a role. This first came into consideration by abuse giving out the pm, which hardconfirmed the existence of a blocker in the game. Superbia might still be mafia, I will go to the rest of your case to see, what else you got and analyse it further but superbia is definitly not mafia for this sentence. You completely missunderstood the context in which he said this and your conclusion out of this is just false in my eyes. | ||
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On August 29 2014 22:27 Daydreamarine wrote: Superbia He seems to be the most likely Mafia at the moment to me because in my opinion he was the one who speculated wildly the most without giving real arguments (e.g. the soft claim, scum because of evil sounding usernames, framing me as Mafia twice despite my low post content... etc) He was the person that I was waiting for to frame me as Mafia, since he tried to scapegoat most of the other players and I would be the easiest target to do this with, since I had the lowest posted content. He did not disappoint me. To this I can reply that I would probably not be in the game anymore if I accidently posted as Mafia what I did in day 1 (even if it is my first game). Furthermore as Mafia it would have been way easier for me to just jump on the bandwagon saying "BM is unacceptable if he is not killed by a mod we have to do it (I nearly did but while I was angry Jenny posted and confused me, since in the end I could not tell if he is town or not anymore)." bold: I actually didn't read that part right, when I first read the post... you were present at the end of day and did not vote on purpose? Because this is how this sounds. underlined: this is the only part in your first post, that makes you look town to me. I got the impression, that you at first had a totally wrong understanding about the concept of forum-mafia and thought this is a roleplay, where everybody would be given a role and then the thread would be some kind of roleplay with open roles. So this leads me to believe, that if you actually rolled mafia, your openingpost would have looked totally different and might actually have given your role away. At the moment, you are town for me, but not for the content you provide, but only for the simple fact, that I am quite sure, that you didn't understand the rules and had you been mafia, you would have given yourself away at this point. | ||
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If your claim turns out true to be true - who do you think could be the second scum? Do you think there is a chance, that abuse and superbia made the whole fighting up and this all was some kind of play by the two? Or do you think that it is only superbia trying to frame abuse? Also in case of superbia turning out to be town at some point in the game - would you start to agree with his reads on abuse? What do you make out of Breshke, MihZaaa and lilwade? I get that those aren't people you have a good read on, since you said this in your post, but if you had to answer, what would you say is your general impression on them? | ||
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And one of them is the neverending story of abuse vs superbia... really? At least you are back to life, lilwade... you still owe me an answer. And thanks for your further analysis, daydreamarine. With your case and abuses case on superbia him there are two (for me) confirmed townies having a case on superbia. After I pointed out your flaws in your line of thought and what i think was a missunderstanding on your side. Are you really sure about your feeling on supberbia? Because I am not. So ask yourself, are you really sure enough about superbia to have him potentially lynched at the end of this day? | ||
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On August 29 2014 23:13 Breshke wrote: Also if anyone else got role blocked you should out. Jenny, you quoted this as well and later in your post said, that telling that you have been blocked would give away the rolesetup, since there is only one possibility of 2 blockers and you hesitated, cause it would give scum information they might not have. What are your thoughts on Breshke asking for potential others blocks? To me this makes him look worse than before. Breshke: The explanation you give in your post on the votechanging is logical in itself but again you don't really do things on your own, you only follow lilwades example. This looks bad to me, since you again sheep someone and use others to explain your decisions. You don't take responsibility for your own actions and I dislike this. What were your motives behind asking for other blocked people? I feel they were not genuine. | ||
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On August 30 2014 07:10 Superbia wrote: You feel Marine is a confirmed townie? Yes. Reason is given here. Read it and feel free to ask questions about it. | ||
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On August 30 2014 07:18 lilwade wrote: @Barakos what question were you referring to? I re read everything and you directed nothing except why I switched in the night phase. This part here remains still unanswered. | ||
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On August 30 2014 07:27 Superbia wrote: Really dude? I asked him a question and he responds very strongly and defensively, and then makes a vote on me while I was outside of him scumlist. All while ignoring my question. Am I the only person who sees abuse as possible scum? I don't blame you... I feel his vote on you is hasted and uncalled for. But seeing that Jenny and he are the 2 blocked people, chances are high, that abuse was blocked by mafia. So unless mafia used a powerrole at themselfes this confirms abuse as town for now. So I have to filterdive you again to see, if I agree with both of my at the moment confirmed townies or if I find enough to defend you. In case i find enough to defend you I will go over the thesis of mafia blocking themselfes to spread confusion and confirm one of them as town. Since you seem to still have him on your potential scumlist, have you taken into consideration, that abuse was blocked by his scumbuddy? If so, what are your opinions on this? | ||
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