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On August 27 2014 23:35 Daydreamarine wrote:
wakes up from a long sleep after drinking some grog in a tavern
Hi all,
just wanted to introduce myself. It is my first Mafia game and I expected a lot more role playing and interactiveness but maybe I am just used to role playing communities as opposed to RTS communities (although I love both) or the game has not properly began.
Nonetheless I think it will be a very entertaining experience.
I am not a fan of using a point system to analyze behaviour and find this a bit suspicious.
All the players who introduced themselves like "Lets ban all the wickedness seem a bit mafia too me since this would be a good distraction from their own role".
I am just making these points without mentioning names since it is my first post here and I want to give everybody a fair chance before I call my shots".
Welcome, welcome. Please, join in. 
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Where the fuck is Jenny? Did she die as a banshee or what?
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On August 27 2014 19:26 Breshke wrote:
Meatpudding
May I ask though why in reply to abuses questions did you feel the need to specifically claim VT and not just town. Im not looking that much into this I'm just intrigued.
Eh, weird question. I specifically claimed VT as well (as did others), why are you pushing on MeatProp?[/QUOTE]
I actually didn't realize others had claimed VT to be honest. The fact that more people did it makes me feel less bad about it because one person claiming VT is just someone mafia knows not to kill whereas the more there is the less that works
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Damn those quotes were so close to working
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Hello my darlings!
I am finally awake after my sleep and will go through it all. I'm on page 11.
Will give my BMK list shortly!
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On August 27 2014 21:36 gobbledydook wrote:
What's wrong with proposing a scumduo? If you don't agree, that's fine, but scumreading someone for not having the same opinion is not fine.
You overemphasize 'getting the thread going'. The thread is going to get going regardless of any person posting sooner or later on day 1. If I wanted I could also post a ton of open questions to 'get the thread going' but that's not the point. The point of discussion is to provide insight.
Now that abuse has posted his list of reads I think he's town. I think he has put a massive effort into solving this game. The only thing I don't like is he omguses me, but that's fine I can live with that.
##Unvote
A reread of meatpudding's analysis and follow-up to my post seems to indicate he is town.
Also for those saying I just jumped into the thread randomly, that's how I roll, you can see my other games in the TL mafia database and I do this every game regardless of alignment. I am just not a high volume poster. I also happen to live in Australia where kangaroos live and where your night is my day.
So you read a post of mp, called him abuses scumbuddy, get called out for it not being valid, read some more posts to see, that you couldn't hold up your point and retract instantly?
Why didn't you bother with reading first and posting after?
On August 27 2014 23:21 gobbledydook wrote:
And if you want to lynch me that's fine. When I flip 'Princess Aurora, the Sleeping Beauty' as I claimed, then we know who's been misrepresenting my words and pushing for a mislynch.
So you are trying to scare people away from voting to lynch you by saying "Don't vote for me, cause if you do, everybody will know I am a princess, which makes you scum?"
Your overall appearance here in this thread looks pretty bad up until now. You hop in, you post some stuff, put a vote down, shortly afterwards take back everything you said, don't answer any question directed at you and on top of it all, you also explain that we shouldn't expect any more out of you, since this you are not a high volume poster and just randomly hop in and out of threads?
Where is your effort to solve this game? I can't see it and the way you put it, you make it look like you are also not very interested in putting any effort into it.
##vote gobbledydook
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Vote Count – Day 1
Breshke (0): Superbia
Abuse (1): Superbia, gobbledydook
Superbia (1): Meatpudding
gobbledydook (3): Abuse, MihZaaa, Barakos
Not voting (5): JennyHell, lilwade, gobbledydook, Breshke, Daydreamarine
Currently, gobbledydook is set to be lynched with 3 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 1 will end in .
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Okay, I've read up and boy it's confusing to jump back in when you've been away for a while.
Instead I'm going to filter dive you all and form my BMK list.
Here's a general overview of every player in the game:
meatplayer
You're being a bit different from last time we played together. It could have something to do with the fact that we actually didn't get to play that much last time with me dying and you being inactive.
that said, I've liked your reads so far, although I'm not sure about MihZaaaa, and I'd like to see what more you can give further in to the game.
Another thing to note, I didn't take what you said about looking into my heart as a soft claim. I just thought you were making fluff. And I still do, even after others have pointed it out.
lilwade
lilwade, lilwade, wherefore art though, lilwade?!
Your filter is insanely short... It's almost like Daydreamarine's and his is next to non-existing. However, you are being similar to last game we played together, so that's at least a good thing, although not alignment indicative.
There was something I picked up in one of your posts, that I will not share, but I'm willing to give you a pass for today. You've asked some questions, poking and prodding at people. I'd like to see you make a list of your reads. (If you haven't already by the time I post this.)
Gobblegobblegobble
The way you came in at the start of the game and just stated your role thing felt really awkward and a bit offputting, to be honest. Especially since we could all be doing that and it would lead to nothing.
You made a scumduo which I felt was a bit too soon to find, and I didn't agree on it. You later withdrew it due to reading abuse as town and that I wholeheartedly agree with.
I didn't like your comment on Superbia's big thread that he made it hard to read intentionally. I don't see why anyone would do that no matter what alignment. I do see what you mean by saying that Superbia is twisting abuse's words and I agree that he is, how can I phrase this, taking 1 and 1 and making 11 rather than 2.
All of this said, I don't appreciate your general attitude in most of your posts and probably wouldn't be sad to see you go, whether you're town or not.
See below for example:
I'm sorry that you can't see my arguments. You may want to invest in correction lenses.
MihZaa
My most flipfloppy read this entire game. You have me going back and forth like a newton's cradle.
Your idea of me wanting to swap my playstyle to be less towny in order to not die, is flawed and I'm writing it down as you just not really knowing yet what is the most beneficial play for yourself when you play mafia games.
However, you then flipped on your own idea when you said you thought I'd been more reluctant to take the mic so hard day 1 if I had been mafia. So what is it? Am I less out there when I'm mafia or town? Make your mind up.
This is taking soooo long. I have to go make dinner now. Will continue with the rest of you while I eat!
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Barakos
To start with I have a question. Do you usually answer your own questions before you let the person you ask answer? "Hey, I'm feeling awesome today, how are you?".
I agree that if abuse had never answered the question himself, it would have been scummy. But to call him out on it so shortly after the question is a bit odd I think.
On Abuse:
I didn't like you posting questions before answering them yourself...
You agreed with me on the soft-claim not really seeming like a soft claim, which could mean numerous things. I know why I felt that way, but even though you explained it, I have yet to truly figure out why.
You picked up on the same thing I did about Superbia and his flawed maths, so that means you're paying attention and you chose to phrase it by asking rather than accusing, which I liked.
You are creating conversation with people, putting your logic out there, taking theirs in. You take everyone into consideration, not leaving anyone out, which I like.
There's really no need for you rethink your standpoint on me, Barakos. But again, some general suspicion is healthy.
Breshke
You do next to nothing for me, sorry not sorry!
I can agree on certain things you say and the way you read people. But I don't like the lack of proper contribution.
Who's in your towncircle and who's in your mafiacircle?
abuse
Your questions did nothing for me, I thought there are way better questions people can ask but you came with an idea of how you wanted to spark conversation and read people. Having a plan to figure new people out is great. Personally I tend to just wing it and find oddities in they way they say things. It's not always the content they provide that makes me see them as scummy but the way they say it. Anyways, moving on.
If you read my question to Barakos you know where I stand on the whole "didn't answer his own question first" thing. I'm completely on your side with that thing. I'm glad you did answer it though, but more importantly explained as to why you did it. That generated more of an insight about you than us answering your questions, because let's face it, they weren't all that gamebreaking.
Why you don't see things I do as being towny is fine. You're wrong, but it's fine. We're all different people and read things differently. Not going to hold that against you, or anyone else for that matter.
You then said this:
I feel that Barakos and Mihzaaa give townie vibes, because they give thought out posts and pose questions in a non attacking manner
While I agree that is the case, at least about Barakos, I feel others that you are neutral on have done the exact same thing.
That makes me wonder why are you willing to say this for them but not the others,for example me?
You later on said this:
I like that she does reply to every question she has been asked, and she does not do it half-heartedly, but with thought out posts. What she says does make sense, though she has not really made a big play yet in my opinion. I would love to see Jenny's current read list compilation on everyone involved.
So when did my posts become thought out enough for you?  Oh, and here you go, the compilation you wanted!
All in all I agree with most of your reads.
Superbia
I like your start, you were asking questions, trying to find out things about people.
You then followed with your +1 -1 post which did nothing for me. It was, like others have stated, an abomination. Next to impossible to follow. Most of it was "alright" and you giving me a -1 for pointing out a different behaviour in someone is ridiculous. After I explained it to you, like you asked me to, you said you thought it was like I explained. So why the -1?
You then didn't even follow your own math, and was called out for it.
Your question about the excel file made me laugh because I can picture you sitting there reading through all posts and go "Ooh, +1 for you. Gold star in the corner!".
The soft-claim ordeal was just plain dumb and I'd like us to move on from that. He's even explained himself that he wasn't soft-claiming.
You've been reading way too much in to things people say, and making the wrong assumption, perhaps even so wrong that you end up bending their words to your will. It feels really off.
You ask a lot of questions which generally is a good thing but I can't shake this feeling that you're digging for ways to go at people rather than trying to solve this game.
Also, can you like.. try to avoid stupidly long posts? They're a pain to read and filtering you is doing my head in.
This goes for everyone. Can we do it short and sweet, and if you really need to do a long post, can we keep them to a minimum or at least divide them up?
No, I did not die. I threw babies at knights and I cursed the Great Knight Tao to inflict himself harm until death. It was a productive event and I leveled up, yay me!
Daydreamarine
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA *facepalm*
You have a lot of catching up to do, sweetie. Can't wait to see what you have to bring.
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Before I give my BMK list I'd like to further express 2 things.
1.) We all need to make shorter concise posts, so that mafia can't hide in the big posts. It's much easier when they have time to make their big posts that they can make more sense. Just fyi.
2.) I didn't quite expect people to take my own explanation for how I play as me being neutral. Did I scare you all from thinking I'm town? Let me make this clear. Would I play the same? Yes! People should always go out of their way to be as towny as possible. Mafia will have a much harder time being townies than actual townies, would you believe that?! Amazing how it works.
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So Jenny, who do you want to lynch?
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Nvm, just saw you are about to post your BMK list, I suppose we're about to find out.
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On August 28 2014 04:30 JennyHell wrote:BarakosTo start with I have a question. Do you usually answer your own questions before you let the person you ask answer? "Hey, I'm feeling awesome today, how are you?". I agree that if abuse had never answered the question himself, it would have been scummy. But to call him out on it so shortly after the question is a bit odd I think. Show nested quote +On Abuse:
I didn't like you posting questions before answering them yourself...
Of course I don't usually answer my own questions beforehand. This would make for some quite strange conversations irl, i guess.
But this isn't irl - it's a forumgame where everybody has to be as open as possible for us to win, to prevent misslynches. I found he wasn't open, I called him out and pushed a little... he answered the questions I still was a little suspicious about him but didn't keep going at it forever.
Could have been too soon to call him out, yet I still felt the need to do it. That's all.
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So, here's my BMK list!
Marry
I'm not quite ready to marry someone yet, but I do have a keen eye for Barakos.
How about we do a temporary engagement. Will you be my lovely bride?
Bang
abuse - Just like Rihanna I seem to like it and keep coming back for more.
Meatpuddle - You're different this game, but I'm willing to give you a one night stand.
lilwade - You're the same as last game. Your activity is just as appalling as usual but there's something you said that I'm not even sure you know yourself yet. I'm hoping I'm right on this and I'm willing to bang you, for now.
Daydreamarine - You probably shouldn't even be close to this list but oh my word.. I can't wait to see what you bring. I'm willing to give you a pass just so I can see more of your roleplaying.
Kill
Superbia - You're the one I read the most scummy. I don't get you, man... You're taking things way out of context to where it doesn't feel like it's close to the truth anymore and I dno what to do about you.. Can we just kill you? I feel like you cause more harm than good with the confusion and mess you create. Please, do prove me wrong. I'd love to change my read on you.
MihZaaaa - I don't know how to read you. You're flip floppy and I get flip floppy on you. I don't like being flip floppy. I'm fine with you dying.
Breshke - Your lack of anything substantial is making me dislike you. You need to change that if you want me to start liking you.
Gobblegobblegobble - I don't necessarily see you as scummy, I've agreed on certain things you've said but I just don't appreciate the tone in what you have to say. You are the least scummy out of my kills and the one I'd kill absolutely last.
I get that people may not have the same reads as me, and I'm willing to hear people out. How about we find 2 people we as a town combined most want to get rid of, create a wagon on those two, laying down some pressure and hear them out?
I mean it's only 5 hours left now.
Just in case, here's my vote.
##Vote: Superbia
Willing to change to other wagons should it be better for town.
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Vote Count – Day 1
Breshke (0): Superbia
Abuse (1): Superbia, gobbledydook
Superbia (2): Meatpudding, JennyHell
gobbledydook (3): Abuse, MihZaaa, Barakos
Not voting (4): lilwade, gobbledydook, Breshke, Daydreamarine
Currently, gobbledydook is set to be lynched with 3 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 1 will end in .
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I just noticed something...
Breshke, what are your thoughts about Gobblegobblegobble and lilwade?
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Superbia, how invested do you feel in this game? Do you feel like you're being misread and if so, what would you be able to do differently to make people see you less scummy? Do you think mafia will try to stay under the radar or go out of their way and be one of the more noticable people?
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Superbia, another thing. What's your current thoughts about abuse? Your vote is on him, do you still feel he's the most likely to be mafia?
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On August 28 2014 04:57 JennyHell wrote:
Kill
Superbia - You're the one I read the most scummy. I don't get you, man... You're taking things way out of context to where it doesn't feel like it's close to the truth anymore and I dno what to do about you.. Can we just kill you? I feel like you cause more harm than good with the confusion and mess you create. Please, do prove me wrong. I'd love to change my read on you.
##Vote: Superbia
Willing to change to other wagons should it be better for town.
So I guess it's time for some defense? I have now heard the term "take it way out of context" more than once. I'm sorry, but if you disagree with how I read people, that's fine, just say that. However, both MeatPertubator and Barakos seemed to agree with my (in my opinion) most important reads on abuse.
You don't know what to think of me so you want to kill me? I feel like this is a bad reason. I push on someone hard to get interactions going and information flowing. Really, before I started interacting (and I'll admit, it was a bit more chaotic than I wanted, especially my megapost) nothing was really going on. I don't want to waste precious time, especially when we're dealing with multiple timezones. Day 1 is the hardest to read. So I felt a bit iffy on Breshke and abuse, so I wanted to push on them a little. I felt abuse's reply was a bit too defensive, and most importantly, it revealed (to me) that he had skimmed my post. Most importantly, he seemed to have poorly registered my towncircle; he said he had the complete opposite towncircle, while our towncircles actually seemed very similar. This was my main argumentation. I admit that the rest of the arguments were maybe a bit far fetched (it was still a bit scummy in my eyes), but I wanted to push him as hard as I could, to see what I could get out of him.
Both gobbledydook and abuse pushed quite a bit of scum on me, so I'm not surprised to see a vote appear. I'm surprised the former didn't start a vote, and that seems a little scummy to me? Especially after he flipped so hard.
I'd like MeatProbability's and Barakos' opinion on me and the whole "taking shit out of context" conundrum. They are my top town at the moment.
I'd prefer not to get lynched today. I'll take questions from here.
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On August 28 2014 05:20 JennyHell wrote:
Superbia, another thing. What's your current thoughts about abuse? Your vote is on him, do you still feel he's the most likely to be mafia?
I'm not sure about him. Many people are reading him town, including MeatPoppy. I'd like to lynch him at some point, but maybe not today? I'll see where my vote goes as the dark approaches.
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