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Also it was the last sentence on Wave's into post that was the weirdest, but meh. Not sure how much the whole post matters on its lonesome | ||
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I'd probably kill both Artanis and Poofter right now. Wave hasn't showed me anything in particular that I want to lynch, other than what I mentioned. Most of the arguments levelled against him I've seen levelled against him on more than one occasion as town, they're just not very interesting to me yet. He's just null ##Vote: Artanis gobbledy actually said the basic reason for Artanis to be mafia. Very low contributions so far despite posting some. I've not made proper reads yet and I've probably contributed more than he has. I also think given the preamble, Artanis would at least try to play a decent game as town. Let's see. | ||
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On August 04 2014 19:04 kushm4sta wrote: gobblle hasn't mentioned artanis once. faulty logic, since artanis participated much earlier in the game and there was less to talk about. try again On August 04 2014 18:33 gobbledydook wrote: I have come to the conclusion: [r]Artanis is scum.[/r] He has three pages in his filter yet reading through the whole thread I don't recall seeing him say anything interesting. By Palmar's rule he is scum. | ||
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On August 04 2014 19:05 kushm4sta wrote: and why is hf looking town? Any argument you think he made that looked particularly townie? there was, but i'd have to read the thread again to tell you where it was because I forgot. I don't have particularly good reasons to think so, it was an impression. Maybe how he was interested in playing the game when no-one else was? Dno. | ||
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On August 04 2014 19:11 kushm4sta wrote: Why didn't you like my HF argument? Any specifics on what you didn't disagree with? was that the argument that he'd said bad stuff and so he was mafia in 3 points? if it was, i just thought that hf can easily do all those things as town | ||
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On August 04 2014 19:19 kushm4sta wrote: yeah that's true. hf always opens with arguments that I perceive as scummy. i think i liked how he segued between wave and haru as well. seemed like he at least actually believes in the stuff he said on wave (which could still be true) and then used that to make a read on Haru. Whether it's actually correct or not that seemed natural. other than that, i thought gk (on comparison to last game), eden, kush, and gobbledy might be town. not sure about gobbledy, but he noticed similar things with artanis + also in a recent game i recall him seeming like mafia because he said some terrible rambly things and generally really scummy things. i'm curious why you have him as red given i think you were in that game and caught him quite easily? what's similar? | ||
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On August 04 2014 19:48 LoneMeow wrote: VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis (Artanis[Xp]) (post) WARNING: marvellosity changed vote without unvote (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis[xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) VOTE: marvellosity unvoted Artanis[Xp] (post) VOTE: marvellosity voted Artanis[xp] (Artanis[Xp]) (post) boss-mode engaged tbh. | ||
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On August 04 2014 20:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also want to call marv townish because he knows he can't get me mislynched as town, but it's a preliminary vote that can always move so I'm hesitant. I so could. | ||
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On August 04 2014 20:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You said hf looks town though, what made you say that? ? i've already talked as much as i want to about hf in my filter, which isn't very long. | ||
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On August 04 2014 20:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh right, I should probably read your entire filter when I ask a question. That makes sense. less jokey-useless-y, more artanis-gonna-solve-the-game-and-get-sheeped from pregame thank you in advance for your cooperation | ||
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On August 04 2014 20:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Then you're worse at reading me than I thought. When did number of pages stop being an indicator for me? how is that question relevant? | ||
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there's little point in arguing about this, you can either play some and see how it goes, or get lynched arguing with me about the exact semantics of effort and activity. i don't really care that much. | ||
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![]() I assume from your post that means you'll make a decent effort at some point, else I'll happily gather votes on you in the meanwhile in case you don't. | ||
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Mafia don't set out to play like mafia, that would be pretty dumb. | ||
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all too well. you get my point though. | ||
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any townie not playing as townie as possible in order to prevent themselves being a NK is both obnoxiously stupid and a complete asswipe. | ||
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On August 04 2014 23:23 HaruRH wrote: Yea, and thus all good townies will die in early days while scum celebrate the shitup of the thread. The best way to get a good looking thread is if all the townies look really town so it's easy to find the mafia... | ||
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also less blanket "x is town" statements than he normally throws out as mafia. "this is enough for me to townread WoS on d1" - much less certainty | ||
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dunno about artanis, my vote feels ok there for now though, maybe it'll give him an itchy ass. Poofter as mentioned before. I was randomly scum for what? Joining in the hilarious early policy giggles? Weak. Many nulls who could be mafia. Tis early. | ||
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Also I am like 2 billion percent town right now. | ||
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Suck my beautiful penis <3 | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:16 justanothertownie wrote: Over a year ago? It can't have been that long... Could you elaborate on Artanis or is this pure policy? Well if he's interested in solving the game and pushing town forward I'll unvote him. I'm real nice like that. | ||
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just gotta keep your pride I guess. | ||
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On August 05 2014 00:43 kushm4sta wrote: wow jat you never had a scum game... he was scum in the original abandoned LXIV game hosted by LSB | ||
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On August 05 2014 01:24 justanothertownie wrote: How the hell do you 2 manage to blow so little things way out of proportion like that AGAIN. Makes my head hurt. just sit there and watch it happen. | ||
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On August 05 2014 01:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This. I'm completely uninterested in the fight between Vivax and Holyflare. I feel like it's meaningless. only if you think they're both town | ||
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On August 05 2014 01:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't feel like there's anything alignment indicative going on there. Do you know why? well, I'm kinda waiting to see what happens. ![]() | ||
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On August 05 2014 01:35 Vivax wrote: Here, you plebs: I find Wave still scummy, discuss. Emotional longish answer to HF that leads to nowhere between the two, and then a list of reads that reads like "here's my stuff, ok? Bye". It looks cooked and doesn't really say a thing, doesn't look for answers. That's my issue with that post. how familiar are you with Wave's play in general? Do you think this is out of the ordinary for him? | ||
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On August 05 2014 02:17 Eden1892 wrote: ~ It Was A Reaction Test ~ I actually voted for Wave. I just wanted to prod Cav because I figured he might get mad or at least drop a "wtf" if I came out of nowhere and voted for him. However Cav is clever and realized my vote was fake so he didn't get mad. Cav would get mad as scum because he knew I was expecting that he would get mad as town, soooo he is scum for keeping his cool. ##UNVOTE: WaveofShadow ##VOTE: ObiWanShinobi you're dumb. | ||
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but also maybe not. | ||
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agreed | ||
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Anyone who is playing like he is right now and thinks "yes, this is the best way i could be helping town right now" should probably not be playing mafia, or is just a total moron. whichever it is, it's dumb. i don't even think he's mafia for it. i just think he's an idiot. | ||
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On August 05 2014 04:42 Holyflare wrote: but whatever i could lynch any of haru/obi/reluctantly wave/poofter you're actually happy with artanis ? | ||
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tough shizzle. | ||
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On August 05 2014 05:00 goodkarma wrote: I really like HF's lynch list. /towncircle Don't really see Artanis as this obvscum Marv apparently does. He has begun contributing his own reads, which I've found reasonable (minus the wave nonsense). There was much angst-inducing laziness before then, but that doesn't make him scum. See you guys in a few hours. never said Artanis was obvscum. Please read more diligently, i basically say what i mean, and the certainty I put across is how certain I am at the time. And nowhere have I even come close to suggesting I think Artanis is obvscum. | ||
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On August 05 2014 05:49 WaveofShadow wrote: And this ##unvote: marv Pile of stupidity made me laugh and policy obvs not happening I don't thin Artanis is happening either though marv you well know if I get sure about something then it'll happen. i should probably give the boy more time tomorrow though. | ||
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On August 05 2014 05:53 justanothertownie wrote: Marv, I couldn't follow through with this earlier because I fell asleep - did you get anything out of Vivax/HF arguing? Why did you encourage them further? I just wanted to know where it was going, or more specifically where Vivax was going I guess. No, I didn't get anything in particular from whatever it was. | ||
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it's my mission in life to disappoint you, babe | ||
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mostly because it makes me seethe because it's so poor and usually when i seethe i'm seething at something a townie said. possibly. | ||
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On August 05 2014 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Eden ill tell you a secret. Scum often don't need help in terms of figuring out who to shoot. hahaha this. | ||
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yeah bitch. | ||
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I'm a fickle mistress. | ||
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will sheep excellent cases too, however. | ||
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fair warning that i might decide to lynch the pants off poofter at some stage. | ||
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On August 04 2014 20:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Then you're worse at reading me than I thought. When did number of pages stop being an indicator for me? oh i finally understood this, flicking through your filter. That cop-idiot game. and at the time you wrote this question, you had less than 2 in-game pages of filter, so shrug. | ||
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On August 05 2014 09:11 marvellosity wrote: oh i finally understood this, flicking through your filter. That cop-idiot game. and at the time you wrote this question, you had less than 2 in-game pages of filter, so shrug. or less than 3. not masses anyway after like 30-40 pregame posts | ||
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On August 05 2014 09:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: One game which you know I probably won't replicate, and at the time about 12 hours passed or so, so 2 pages is a lot. It's time to swallow the pill and unvote dear. but none of your random questions that aren't really leading anywhere are doing anything for me. if i still want to kill you tomorrow i'll have to reacquaint myself with your games. | ||
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On August 05 2014 11:25 Tehpoofter wrote: As town he waited to vote I yelled at him for waiting cause I think its silly. He lynched mafia so I thoguht "Well guess it works for marv" this game he comes out and votes instantly NOT something I've seen him do as town so I think its odd. I've never seen marv as mafia but I'm scared of it. are you really so superficial to think i will vote in exactly the same fashion every single game? Even in Order I said "hmm, I don't think this is a voting early game", because I didn't fancy voting early. for realsies you've spent several posts talking about that? O.o | ||
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On August 05 2014 11:50 Tehpoofter wrote: I gave my reads and had very little reasons when I did I just wanted to do a BMK list. So I needed some reads they were leans. ![]() How did you manage to "lean" on me 2 hours into the game when I hadn't posted yet? ??? | ||
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Yet he describes his reads then as "leans". It's just a lie. | ||
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On August 05 2014 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright this makes more sense. Continuing on though, based on things happening earlier in this game, wouldn't a scummer be more likely to prepare something and try to look useful when coming back rather than posting shit? What does Poofter have to gain as scum by doing what he is doing? Or do you believe Poofter is truly just playing shit scum in which case I don't really have anything more to say ![]() yes, obviously mafia prefer not to look like mafia when they can help it, nonetheless mafia often look like mafia. what's your point? | ||
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On August 05 2014 18:37 Eden1892 wrote: oh hmm i can think of reasons a townie might do that but i'm not going to preempt poofter's own defense marv are you still feeling arty today? if so please help me convince people like obiwanjabroni to stop derping around I'm feeling Poofter. Not sure about Artanis. I may also be feeling Vivax :OOOOO | ||
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I could kill Poofter just for making my eyes bleed with his horrendous, awful posts. That would be a policy. makingmarvseyesbleedwithhorrendousawfulposts-lynch | ||
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On August 05 2014 18:39 Eden1892 wrote: : ( ooo why vivax i forget what i thought about him so he's back to indifferent for me This is almost precisely it. I can't really remember anything Vivax has said beyond rambling for a long time about this that and the other. His posts don't seem to have any impetus or direction; I don't know what he's trying to achieve or where he's trying to push town. He just "exists" in this thread and I don't know why. | ||
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On August 05 2014 18:49 Holyflare wrote: You make me happy in my special place for mentioning vivax because i wanted to but didn't want him to go full retard for me doing it you caught him quite easily in whatever game it was. more detailed thoughts? | ||
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On August 05 2014 12:37 Tehpoofter wrote: I think at the time my list was amazing. Aside from marv who haven't talked and was obviously a troll. I agreed with all my reads when I made them. Scummy would ahve been if I made that list now as oppossed to like hours into the game like I had before ![]() Also I'm town HF has probably figured it out by the way I'm responding. Marv will know if hes town. I really hope I'm fucking up whatever timing metric he thinks he has on me (its intentional sucker) kushm4sta reading me right makes me a bit uneasy tbh ![]() The metric so far suggests mafia -> null, if you're interested :p | ||
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On August 05 2014 19:20 justanothertownie wrote: Does your brain have the same read as the metric? still reading the thread (i got distracted ranting+talking), maybe it does, yea. Dno. Tough lynch this one. | ||
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On August 05 2014 17:16 Tehpoofter wrote: Tehpoofter's Love Life Marry: I am going to be a bit old fashioned here and just pick one man/woman to be the one... that I carry throughout the game with me. Eden will you be mine? Bang: I'd tap these assess and its cool cause me and Eden have an open relationship. Kushm6sta, ObiwAn, GoodKarma, Holyflare Kill: These people I don't have any interest in banging so they're just plain dead to me. Goobzilla, Haru, Marv If you're not on the list its cause You're in that weird spot between I could be interested if you were hotter and drunk one night stand. I can substantiate most of these reads. MArv the least so I am just scared of the game I'm in he is mafia. ##Vote Gooblyzilla so you're scumreading me because you're scared of me? are you serious? do you literally have no balls, punk? | ||
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Town: Eden kush goodkarma Could be town: justanothertownie Obiwanshinobi Haru HF Hmmm: Wave gobbledy Want to kill but not sure if mafia: TehPoofter Maybe mafia: Artanis Vivax | ||
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On August 05 2014 19:42 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I still don't see Kush as a strong townread tbh. but it doesn't matter he also isn't on my scumdar anymore. Eden I agree on and goodkarma too I guess. I think HF is pretty town. Not so sure about Obi and Haru although Obi looked better recently. Maybe you can go into more detail about your Haru read. I don't understand a townread on him. Wave is indeed hmmm and gobblys return has been pretty scummy. I agree on Artanis and maybe on Vivax but I would probably need to reread him because I have to admit that I didn't read his posts that closely after some point. Me neither. That's why he has a good chance of being mafia I think. He's so irrelevant. I talked about Haru in my filter. Made dumb reasoning about ppl playing townie and NKs and how mafia would try to play. It's not a lock, but it's a lean. gobbledy is hmmm but I think in general he's been pretty straightforward and blunt, i'm struggling to see how I could lynch him today unless someone has some great wisdom there. | ||
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So they basically have today to wow me/the thread and stuff. Loads of time. | ||
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he's a possible lynch target. it's clearly relevant. | ||
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On August 05 2014 20:49 kushm4sta wrote: k so the new marv heuristic is significance? Problem with that, and with Palmar's thing that whatshisname brought up about scum being the people you forget, is that often scummy people get noticed. Therefore activity centers around them, therefore they are memorable and significant. that's nice? what a pointless comment | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:00 Eden1892 wrote: i keep glazing over when i go to read it but here's my tl;dr of his filter - /towncircle LLC membership - lots of talking to the people he's accusing, very few attempts to convince us to lynch them - seems pretty wishy-washy on his reads there's a couple of things i felt decent to good about in what he was saying earlier (couple of posts where he pays close attention to whether people are representing their cases in a balanced fashion vs one-sided fashion that seems like he's trying to figure it out), but those things miss some crucial followup, and he doesn't have any thread presence to speak of yeah i could kill him feels to me like he's just doing that so that he's doing something. Like you say it misses the followup. Reading Artanis' filter as well though, there's not a lot I can hang my hat on. Who is scummy? Haru? Well - Artanis made that strange "meh" post where he agreed with someone posting something about Haru doing something townie. On August 05 2014 08:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I found the "meh" bit really out of place, like... I can't explain. Just why is it put across in that tone or something.I actually kind of agree with this, meh. Other than that, a brief bit on Obi, which is... meh ^^ My impressometer is stuck on very low for this filter. Seems too good to be true that both are mafia though. | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:13 kushm4sta wrote: marv, vivax writes like proust. dense but ripe with insight. Give townie vivax a chance! what's the insight? | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well, I did put in a bunch of effort this game but my brain seems to be absent so it's not really helping. well you still have all day. i don't really know what i want from you though :x | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:17 kushm4sta wrote: which metaread of yours took effort? i expect an answer to my question | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:18 Eden1892 wrote: Yung Beetlejuice returns @marv it does seem too good to be true, and more crucially (for me anyway) i'm trying to figure out where the scumteam's attempt to misdirect is. with 3 slots i would expect at least one mobster to be active itt throwing us the wrong way, especially in a game with a lot of people that know their way around. mafia isn't going to get 4 ml's on this crew without actively trying to mislead, but then why are all the scummy people the ones who aren't doing anything? who cares? all that is unimportant on day 1 (and mostly after too), you just find someone who looks like mafia and you lynch them. | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I could say that I don't think I've ever used meta reads as scum because I've always been too lazy, but given I'm aware of that I guess that's not a very strong argument. i don't really want you to defend yourself though. i just want... i dunno. things. i feel quite uneasy about lynching you but at the same time i can't find anything why i shouldn't. for a start, your vote should not be on me. that's stupid. same with Vivax. Coincidence that i want to kill Art & Vivax? I think not. | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It doesn't really matter where my vote is right now though. Make it matter then. | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:26 kushm4sta wrote: abou vivax: Try to understand this post if you dare (I don't suggest it). I spent about 5 minutes on it reading it again and again. So far I think it has something to do with goodkarma being scummy because he didn't read the scumminess of his two scum reads equally, and that is scummy because of some other reason I can't understand. But the fact that he thought through all this shit makes him town. + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2014 00:44 Vivax wrote: It seems there is a strong difference in Goodkarma's play regarding his two scumreads. I feel he ended up focusing much more on Haru than on WoS, and that after criticizing Haru for nullreading WoS for that. Like, the one thing GoodKarma had to expect in his opinion was that Haru would scumread WoS with a -1. I think that if they wanted to nullread somebody as opposed to scumreading him, then scum would prefer ścumreading the townie and null reading the other scum. If that's what GK might think, too, then he must just feel as strongly scummy about Wave than he does for Haru, cause just then nullreading WoS might show a scum motive. However all we are left with Goodkarma vs Wave is: WoS wrote this before GK posted that: So they both scumread the same guy, Wave says what he found scummy about Haru, but GoodKarma still asks him that. Besides, I don't really like the reason WoS is using there for scumreading Haru, so I'm surprised Goodkarma wouldn't also try to get more interactions with WoS aside from that sort of loaded post. no, it really doesn't. he does this convoluted shit all the time as mafia. try again. | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:26 Eden1892 wrote: eh, i guess. somehow it just feels too easy that scum!artanis would be so defeatist through d1 whatever, you're right though, just need to pick someone out of all these perfectly killable jabronis and get it done Artanis is fighting a hell of a lot more now than last time I/we lynched him d1 as mafia. | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:29 Eden1892 wrote: did he post his role PM last time? half-serious question, i don't see the same fight you're seeing no, he just gave up. Like, totally gave up. | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm not martyring Kush, fuck off. I'm just kinda defeatist. yes, you are. you're basically refusing to do anything because your "brain isn't working". that's ridiculous. | ||
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And after how you assessed yourself on Skype as town, I don't think you're going for "completely fucking incompetent" And even if your brain is being retarded, I don't know why you'd willingly play the game in a shit way. Sort it out buddy. | ||
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why don't we just play the game where no-one puts down any votes, and everyone just votes in the last 5 minutes and hopes everything turns out ok? that sounds amazing, and is definitely good townplay. making your position known and using your vote wisely is definitely bad town play. for sure. | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's clear what my position is; Vivax, Poof, and Haru are all legitimate lynches for me. Anyone who doesn't know that isn't reading the thread. Why are you focussing on this unimportant issue rather than the actual reads? if you had a gun, which would you kill, and why would you kill them over the other two? | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:50 kushm4sta wrote: eden just failed at mafia i actually agree with him to an extent, i'm just thinking whether artanis would do this as mafia or not. the thing is i think artanis might take this route as mafia, which is kinda why i'm being so persistent and aggressive about this :/ | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:51 kushm4sta wrote: eden did you not see what marv said? last time he was scum he let town kill him without putting up a fight. That is metaevidence that he gives up as scum. So why are you townreading him for it? the difference is that he's basically purposefully antagonising me right now. | ||
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On August 05 2014 21:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd like to think I'm just honest about how I play. This game I've played like shit. That doesn't mean I'm shit, that just means I'm having a terrible game. the problem is, that's not a reason to try as hard as you can over the next 12 hours or however long it is not to get lynched and/or find mafia. but now you've set yourself up with "here's a couple scumreads, here's a couple sentences about all of them" and you have nothing else to contribute. it's frustrating. | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I don't have time to play this game for 12 hours Marv. I also have other things I need to do. I've put plenty of hours in the game, but you can't expect me to play the entire day. i obviously didn't mean be here for literally the next 12 hours, I just meant in the period of time between now and lynch time. | ||
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On August 05 2014 08:25 HaruRH wrote: NONONONNO you're driving too dangerously in haru tunnel If I gave 2 shits about how I looked in this game, I would have already been posting tons of weak ass reads that you want, so to appease your sadness of being unable to read morw surface level reads from me. Meta does work I admit, but I hate using it. So I don't need people to use meta as part of their argument against me. I can't fight that shit because they will twist it to their intent. Oh you know what I mean about the conumdrum. Don't act dumb. On August 05 2014 07:48 HaruRH wrote: Ill do it for you Goodkarma: came out early with tons of aggression, never relented and disappeared conveniently. Wos: bad start with stiff post, continued posting awkwardly that seemed rehearsed. Artanis: using meta reads as a basis of his reads (I really dont agree with doing this). Justanothertownie: I don't really feel much from him except that I don't agree with his scumreads at all. Obiwan: being useless In this game much? I don't see him voting anything meaningful, or doing any moves that included thinking. Overall, obi> wos> gk> artanis> jat in terms of who to lynch. | ||
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On August 05 2014 08:29 HaruRH wrote: Then sit down and wait, d1 is still long. I don't like this post of yours, you want me to do these so I can pass your 'town' check, which is forced. also this is silly and doesn't make sense. | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote: Gobble I didn't see him do crap with reads. All of them are wishy washy and inconclusive. No promises either. can you provide specific examples of this? | ||
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On August 05 2014 08:25 HaruRH wrote: NONONONNO you're driving too dangerously in haru tunnel If I gave 2 shits about how I looked in this game, I would have already been posting tons of weak ass reads that you want, so to appease your sadness of being unable to read morw surface level reads from me. Meta does work I admit, but I hate using it. So I don't need people to use meta as part of their argument against me. I can't fight that shit because they will twist it to their intent. Oh you know what I mean about the conumdrum. Don't act dumb. is doubly hilarious now | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote: His scumread on me was retracted almost immediately when kush pointed out that he probably didn't read my filter properly. 'It's a good case, I had raised some of my objections about Haru before, but HF persuaded me that just because I don't agree with him doesn't mean he is scum. I still don't like any of his posts, the logic just isn't there. I could be persuaded to vote Haru.' He is also voting on lurkers. From artanis the non-contributer to pooft the lurking read thrower. Sooner or later when pooft comes on, he will give some lame reads to vote on obi. Then onto the next lurker. No legit proper scumread. why are they not legit scumreads when all your scumreads are the same? | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:24 HaruRH wrote: Scumville Gobble I didn't see him do crap with reads. All of them are wishy washy and inconclusive. No promises either. Pooft Throwing reads everywhere, 0 substantiation. Wolf. Obiwan Literally not committing to any scumreads. All his 'scumreads' are either wishy washy or they are just a throwaway read. Artanis Similar to gobble. This may be omgus but if you take away his 'haru scumread', he have an unreadable filter with nothing except 'this guy town' 'this post scum' etc. Also, no promised reads so I won't get to see him post actual content outside of his (desperate) read on me. On August 05 2014 22:33 HaruRH wrote: He is also voting on lurkers. From artanis the non-contributer to pooft the lurking read thrower. Sooner or later when pooft comes on, he will give some lame reads to vote on obi. Then onto the next lurker. No legit proper scumread. he's basically scumreading someone on a self-description, it's ludicrous | ||
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He said he considered himself one of the strongest active townies in TL Mafia. | ||
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On August 05 2014 22:40 gobbledydook wrote: To those who are saying im suspicious: Every game I have played so far I was mafia. Guess how much I know about playing town. I'm trying, but just that I'm not up to your standards doesn't mean I'm scum. You can also compare this game to my 2 scumgames to see the difference. This isn't a trap (well it kinda is), but what do you think the difference is? | ||
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##Vote: Haru this is like... maybe a statement of intent. It doesn't mean I've gone off Artanis necessarily, or Vivax. I'm finding it hard to understand the townie mindset behind "all the people he thinks are mafia, I think are mafia too, therefore he is mafia" | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:00 gobbledydook wrote: The difference? Do my reads look forced to you here? I'm pretty sure they seemed forced in the mafia games because I was mafia and I had to lie. ok. I was just curious what you'd say about it, that's all. | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:07 HaruRH wrote: wrong. I'm both scumreading and null reading these people. However, I draw the line between 'promised reads' vs 'never posting reads', which pooft is already stating, gobble is already doing. Also, artanis' s sheepvote is unwarranted. This post ^ above is not saying anything conclusive. Yes, from now on, I'm going full throttle. ?? | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:07 HaruRH wrote: wrong. I'm both scumreading and null reading these people. However, I draw the line between 'promised reads' vs 'never posting reads', which pooft is already stating, gobble is already doing. this is just convoluted and explains nothing, by the way. | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:17 HaruRH wrote: 2) yes and no. I said I dont give reads d1. I did not say I dont give weak list posts. Quote where I said it IN CONTEXT to the previous post I am replying to. but you don't as town and you did in your mafia game | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:25 HaruRH wrote: 2) gobble's reads, outside of his definite read on artanis early on, have been drifting too much for my liking. If you read his filter in between his artanis and scumread on me, everything is a null read. Furthermore, there was no indication of further content so I put him in scumtown first. But this is bullshit, gobbledy has been plenty decisive on various things. Artanis is mafia, you're his 2nd read, Poofter is mafia. Of course he's not going to give 100% reads on everybody. And the people he is scumreading are the people in your scumville. I just don't understand this at all. | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:35 HaruRH wrote: That is purely a coincidence. I did not take anyone's read on others into account. This is purely my own. 'I could be persuaded to vote Haru. Obi: Null read atm Artanis: I said before, I think he's come out with good discussion and so I unvoted him.' These shows me he is pretty null on them. 'But no, seriously, your contribution level is still zero.' This shows me that he is waiting for pooft to produce content. so you picked out one of the only times in his whole filter where he isn't totally decisive. this is coming across as a horrible misrepresentation of his filter... don't understand the point you're trying to make about poofter/content either and why it would make gobble mafia | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:41 Vivax wrote: Marv wtf are you doing ... wtf are you doing? | ||
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On August 05 2014 23:44 Vivax wrote: I'm just going to say this: I'm going to do my thing in the next hours, but if you think I'm scum then you've either become bad at this game or scum. Neither is true and you very well know it. | ||
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Outside of this post he confidently declares Artanis mafia, same with Poofter, makes a case on Haru. gobbledy isn't the least bit indecisive and waffly. I don't understand the misrepresentation. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:00 Vivax wrote: Marv is dumb and probably only chose me cause I still have the policy vote on him, ignore whatever stupid shit he says. I'm not dumb and I was pretty clear why I chose you. Get a grip. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:02 Vivax wrote: Besides, he didn't really say anything, he only put it out there that I could be scum and then started reinforcing people's opinions without adding much of his own. In fact, I was the first to say: On August 05 2014 18:44 marvellosity wrote: This is almost precisely it. I can't really remember anything Vivax has said beyond rambling for a long time about this that and the other. His posts don't seem to have any impetus or direction; I don't know what he's trying to achieve or where he's trying to push town. He just "exists" in this thread and I don't know why. So ...yeah keep bullshitting, Vivax. Just try it on me. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:20 HaruRH wrote: Yes I did. I mentioned it was a coincidence for us to have the same scumreads. The method of getting these scumread was what I am critical about. The period of 'mehness' in between was also what I noticed the mostm IT WAS ONE POST OH MY GOD | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:26 justanothertownie wrote: This is what I dislike the most. You are calling him scum for scumreading your scumreads. Scumreadception. but it's the method, don't you see? No? Me neither. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:27 HaruRH wrote: I dont like how he hopped from artanis to pooft the moment he saw stuff from artanis. Doesn't feel like a pressure vote either. More like moving away from the responsibility of actually having to converse with his own scumread. But it's precisely what you're advocating - if someone produces content then that's good, if they don;t produce concent then you are going to scumread them so it makes perfect sense when artanis produces content that gobbledy would think to unvote him, given his case on him to begin with was that he had a 3 page filter with no content........ ............ ................................................ nothing you say makes any sense at all, ever. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:33 HaruRH wrote: ............... I'm blind. I did not see that until you pointed it out. .......................... Buuuuuut my point on artanis still stands. He have weird reads. 'Reason no.100 why haru dont do list posts early on because he usually make these lame ass mistakes that he only find out later or until someone shows it to him explicitly' So are you retracting on gobbledy? Would you rather kill Scumtanis? | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:37 HaruRH wrote: Im retracting halfly on gobble due to how I still have beef with his eagerness to switch, like what vivax pointed out. Scumtanis still have weird meta reads that he isn't explaining. Mostly telling me why he thought that way, not telling me what was the purpose. Except at first he wasn't happy with Artanis' posts: On August 04 2014 21:12 gobbledydook wrote: Ten one-line useless posts from Artanis later... nope, not convinced only later was he happier On August 05 2014 13:12 gobbledydook wrote: Artanis finally showed up and did something useful. Poofter hasn't. All he really has done is scumread on the timing of marv's vote and then say he can't read him anyway. It's such a useless, trivial point that occupies lots of space. ##vote: tehpoofter | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:39 HaruRH wrote: I can almost hear gobble whispering 'please post something useful artanis please post please please' 'YES YOU DID IT YOURE TOWN' no you can't you're literally just making that up to fit a narrative. | ||
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Then when gobbledy gets his scumread to post some content, which is what he wanted all along when he first called his scumread mafia, he can retract his scumread as part of his masterplan and then move on to someone else. | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:47 Vivax wrote: That surge in activity by Artanis does look kinda forced. It's like he came into the thread trying to poke in all directions to look like he's doing something, and even then he did it wrong somewhere and said he's terrible at the game. I think I'm with Haru on this one. Marv strangely stubborn on him. it's like you haven't read the thread at all | ||
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On August 06 2014 00:59 Vivax wrote: Marv please lynch me so all my shit gains the credibility required to fuck up you and your scum friends. lol are you really calling me mafia? you've seen me play mafia twice in quick succession. | ||
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I desperately want to legitimise your reads by lynching you. | ||
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If you're town you should absolutely know I cannot play like this on my 3rd consecutive game as scum. Unless you're really terrible. But I give you more credit than that. | ||
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And you - well, you can't possibly believe I am mafia, so you are mafia. | ||
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On August 06 2014 01:16 Vivax wrote: Maybe but we can't lynch them all three so help me out with convincing people why gobble is scum. I already started by displaying how he claims different reads than his earlier ones when it comes to pushing haru. except all you had to do was read a bit further down his page 1 filter to see where he's sceptical of haru and that's clearly what he's talking about.... | ||
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On August 06 2014 01:17 kushm4sta wrote: marv are we closer to lynching gobbles or artanis? i want to know which to push cause townies will sheep you when eod comes Did gobble bus at all in that game you caught him in? I thought not. i don't see why gobble would bus artanis basically out the gate, so i don't think your team of 3 makes any sense. | ||
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On August 06 2014 01:54 kushm4sta wrote: gobble unscumread artanis extremely easily don't see the point in declaring it so confidently in the first place though. that doesn't make any sense. | ||
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On August 06 2014 04:22 Vivax wrote: I think most of the reasons that have been used to scumread Haru have been very weak, starting from you nitpicking the -1 + 1 to GK echoing that, and then gobble adding his own mustard on top. Generally I am assuming that his wagon is today's scum wagon of choice, though it might become me cause marv has to prove his point by dickwaggling and not lynching scum, and scum can't miss that chance. Next people on my wagon: Artanis and Gobble. How were the reasons weak? I literally got Haru to recant about half his case on gobbledy because he was bullshitting. | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:40 kushm4sta wrote: marv this doesn't give you genuine feels? it did when i first read it, but then i read it a couple times more and i think he could have done that as mafia. | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:42 marvellosity wrote: it did when i first read it, but then i read it a couple times more and i think he could have done that as mafia. to expand, i don't feel like Haru is the kind of player to back down from his perch like that. hrg. | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:45 Vivax wrote: He wasn't bullshitting at all, the transition from Artanis scum to Artanis town cause of a few cranked out posts felt unnatural to me as well. he literally recanted part of his case because it was wrong. go see him do it in his filter | ||
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On August 05 2014 18:59 gobbledydook wrote: Holyflare if you missed my post: I don't understand the exact reason why you think Artanis's later posts are mafia filler, your examples are a bit vague and unexplained. I'm a noob so explain clearly please gobbledy asked a question of Artanis half an hour before this post, got no answer, and pressed on with it again anyway. it seems like he's clearly interested in what/why HF thinks of Artanis. No? | ||
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maybe vivax is dickish enough to be town? haru... i dno. i don't care that he talks about "methods", it's just like - he sarcastically listed off names he expected gobbledy to vote for who were all in his scumville. It doesn't make sense to me. Even with his explanations. if I have some players in scumville, i don't go "well ha, i expect my mafiaread to vote for all my mafia suspects! lol!" like what? | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:58 kushm4sta wrote: not seeing the scum motivation behind this move? weird ok but scummy not really it's not motivation it's mindset. | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's pretty much either trusting my own scumread in Haru or sheeping Vivax/kush onto gd. Why did you even have Vivax as mafia before? I figured he was town when he started going all gung-ho on GD, because he's a self-admittedly wishy-washy scum. i already explained the reasons i found him mafia before. go find them in my filter. other than that he really, really, really should not have even been entertaining the thought i am mafia. that shit is ridiculous. | ||
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On August 06 2014 05:58 kushm4sta wrote: not seeing the scum motivation behind this move? weird ok but scummy not really like do you go "yeah, obi is scum. he's like totally going to vote for artanis, gobbledy, and hf. he's totally going to vote in my scumlist so he's totes scum" how does a townie think that? | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:02 kushm4sta wrote: maybe haru wasn't as sure about his other scum reads that doesn't sound very convincing kush. | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Simple: if that townie is an idiot. Is Haru an idiot? sometimes, but i'm not sure he's that sort. | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I remember Haru had me as scum for similar reasons in Titanic. Like I know his day 1 shit is incredibly asinine sometimes and it's the only thing stopping me from hammering him right now. there's no hammer, we just have to have majority by deadline | ||
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On August 06 2014 06:11 Holyflare wrote: Really vivax is looking a lot like the vivax from when i smurfed and he was defending someone that others thought was scummy. He really didn't comment on haru at all and still attacks haru's aggressors instead. He is also stuck in his time warp of lies making reads on things THAT DON'T EXIST yes this really really bugs me. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:13 Holyflare wrote: I'm not at a computer to make a case and we definitely can't get 7 but I'm feeling really fucking paranoid of haru lynch your point about vivax not addressing haru is really good and it's one i thought myself. my feelings are like: vivax could be mafia defending haru when haru is town OR mafia. Vivax would definitely defend a buddy like that i think. or vivax could just be really fucking difficult and be town. i dunno. but i'm hung up on that thing you mentioned because it's exactly what i noticed too. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:17 Holyflare wrote: Not particularly explored them but artanis is very hop on whatevery and in the sidelines and gobble i dunno i kinda liked that never played town thing but i want him to explain and i dunno where he went (sleep?) i hate playing on phone -. - gobble is australian and he went to sleep. artanis has 9 (?) pages by now. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:22 kushm4sta wrote: well marv is townreading you because you have 9 pages and it's terrible. not townreading, but leery of lynching | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:34 Tehpoofter wrote: Marv why is Gobbly not a good lynch? I realize its pretty late for a swap now but curious why you never hopped onto that train of justice? Cause of Vivax? well i just dunno why he's supposed to be mafia. And yes the Vivax thing is part of it, even though i know that's not really good play. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:47 kushm4sta wrote: oh and then there is this lie, which he uses to excuse his scummy townplay it's not a lie. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:51 Vivax wrote: No it's not, it proves how bad marv really is. you know i'm not bad, why are you even saying this? | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:53 Vivax wrote: I thought you were bad when you considered me as scum, and I thought you were bad when you didn't acknowledge the Gobble case, and I thought you were bad when you didn't try to lynch scum but people pissing you off. You might not be bad always, but you will look like you were. no, being potentially wrong doesn't make me bad. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm not flipping. No more flipping for me. We need to pick between Haru/GD and I refuse to consider Vivax until after lynch. Seriously, bandwagon flips are 100% guaranteed to kill town so we need to stop this switch right goddamn now. I've lynched more mafia with last minute shenannies than town. just saying. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:58 Tehpoofter wrote: kushm9sta had a small bit on him but basically that his play has been opportunistic and scummy. yes i understand the case i just didn't see it myself. and yes i'm aware that makes me incorrect or bad if he ends up being mafia. but whatever. that happens sometimes. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:59 kushm4sta wrote: you guys are noobs. don't care. the dickhead deserves it. | ||
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On August 06 2014 08:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I thought you said that when vivax is an asshole he's town though? don't even understand why you're asking me this | ||
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On August 06 2014 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It just came to mind and I wasn't sure if it was you or HF that said it. It's just me being frustrated. i lynched Vivax partly because I agreed with HF said and partly because he was being an enormous dick. | ||
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On August 06 2014 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Not sure why the switch off Haru onto Vivax. Also it really sucks to only be around when very few people are. I'm not sold on GD despite Vivax's ravings; aside from Haru (my thoughts have absolutely not changed---why, by the way was my case NEVER brought up throughout the ENTIRE deliberation as to whether or not people should vote him?) I think Cav is likely 2nd scum. HF looks worse, marv is marv, kush still sueprtown and probably Eden is too? though for a guy who attempted to lead town throughout much of D1 he kinda petered off. Maybe stronger voices made it hard? If it's any consolation, I did go back and read your case during the last hours of d1 there. | ||
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Worst player getting lynched d1 and all that, eh Vivax. | ||
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but he did it anyway and flipped town. Ban please. | ||
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I don't really think obi is mafia but then again i'm struggling to find a 3 man team so maybe he is. I'm not much averse to you tunelling him to see how it goes tbh. | ||
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On August 06 2014 19:03 Eden1892 wrote: I prolly will be on then, no guarantees but I'll try You can't see them both town? It's not that uncommon to be off track d1. See: last game where both Slamroot (lmao this is saved on my phone) and Harubear were town. I like to think we were on track at some point but it wouldn't surprise me if not. Last turn was hard Not because of that. Because I think it's highly improbable there are 3 mafia outside those 2. Maybe 2 mafia outside, but I really can't see 3. Just based on my reads. | ||
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for how hilarious/shitfucky the vivax wagon was, it was generally an active d1 with various wagons and a lot of stuff happening. so people should still be pretty optimistic about how the game is going, imo. | ||
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why does gobbledy wake up and hurriedly (and late) make a voteswitch on to townvivax. Town motivation? Mafia motivation? Which is more likely + why? | ||
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On August 06 2014 19:15 Eden1892 wrote: Town motive: Avoid NL Scum motive: ??? Could have stayed Adkins and blamed timezone Right. So let's say he's mafia. He could have been awake quite a bit before deadline, and following along, hoping townHaru is getting lynched ahead of mafiagobbledy. But then there's literally zero motivation to make a dumb late vote on a townwagon, he's already safe. Or he could have genuinely been awake just at deadline. But then why even bother to add this late vote on a townie when we already reached quorum? Or he's town. Woke up, saw wagon happening, tried to add his vote to it to get a lynch. Seems the town option is more likely to me. | ||
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On August 06 2014 19:19 Holyflare wrote: But if he's town then hiw does he know the wagon needs more votes? For him to know that much he'd have to be reading and then he coukd have posted something but he didn't just look at how the vote thread is going, or check the last couple pages of the thread | ||
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On August 06 2014 19:23 Eden1892 wrote: Yes and I will go home to a Ukrainian model making me a shrimp chimichanga for breakfast I would love it but I don't believe in miracles Ukranian, eh. I feel like I got an insight into the boy named Eden today. | ||
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Now I want. | ||
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On August 06 2014 19:27 Eden1892 wrote: How does a second world hole that ugly produce girls that pretty, man. How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop As 1000th posts go, this suits you quite well ^_^ | ||
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On August 06 2014 19:48 Holyflare wrote: I'm almost sure he said he was sleeping 4 hours before that or something too so unless he got 4 hours sleep and conveniently woke up at deadline i think he's probably lying na, he was sleeping at like 4-5pm our time or something. | ||
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On August 06 2014 19:52 Holyflare wrote: I wanna know his situation that he wakes up to vote and then just afks again after he's not dead I think we just leave him be for now ![]() | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:04 HaruRH wrote: Cant wait for holyflare to drive in my tunnel *smirks* I bet you can't. | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:27 kushm4sta wrote: marv are you familiar with hf's tryhard scumgames? I think it's natural to townread him, because he's writing so much and he is giving reasoning. Except the quality of his reasoning is really poor which means he's scum. you've said that about me many times, and literally every time you were wrong. so i find it hard to take this opinion seriously. | ||
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On August 06 2014 20:41 kushm4sta wrote: And I haven't mis read you in a long time. You arrogance is quite astounding that you ass hole lynch vivax to hide from yourself the fact that you were wrong and I was right. ? are you on drugs? | ||
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i was considering it right at EOD (i think i made a post) but then Vivax was an asshole one too many times and we know what happened. | ||
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On August 06 2014 07:50 marvellosity wrote: because of what Holy brought up Obiwan. maybe i should just lynch gobbledy. i might be wrong and it would clear a lot of things up. basically a lynch for information... yeah i posted this. then saw Vivax begging for a lynch. | ||
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On August 06 2014 23:40 kushm4sta wrote: @eden the second part of your defense is kind of a tooscummytobescum argument, right? Here's what it looked like to me: he was confirmed lurking near EoD - SCUMMY he voted to ensure Vivax, someone who hard scumread him, got lynched. Scum did not want a no lynch either. Given the the options of lynching Vivax, a strong analytical townie, or a no lynch, scum will pick lynching vivax every time. you're scumreading someone for being in a different timezone? for realsies? | ||
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On August 06 2014 23:47 kushm4sta wrote: no. if he wasn't there at eod that's one thing. but he was confirmed there, and following enough to know that a no lynch was possible hmm. maybe. | ||
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it kinda feels like a leap of faith is called for. | ||
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i get tons of lynches through like that. sheeping good skill to have tbh. | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:30 Onegu wrote: I will say someone has my gut going off as scum that I normally have correctly read in the past. You know who you are. I know who they are too :p | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:32 Onegu wrote: Also what does BMK mean? bang marry kill | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:35 Eden1892 wrote: because you're not a useless donkey jabroni but if kush is right and gobble is mafia it's literally the opposite of useless, i am adding my considerable influence to a mafia lynch | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:38 Eden1892 wrote: how do you know he's right? i'm just not seeing what he's seeing at all, and i know we talked about this earlier. frankly it's really frustrating that you're supposedly so good but not putting any legwork in yourself right now I don't know, but I know that when I am totally convinced someone is mafia they always turn mafia, and kush has been finding mafia left right and centre recently, so his certainty has earned my vote. Being a good or competent townie isn't necessarily about doing shit yourself all the time. | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:44 Eden1892 wrote: i know it's not, i'm not saying it is. but there's a difference between "doing shit yourself all the time" and "not doing anything." someone has to produce the material for others to sheep. if you're gonna sheep kush cause he's been on fire lately, fine, but there's still two other mafia to find. why rest on the laurels of one? and that's assuming gobble is scum, of which i'm not at all convinced i've done fucktons this game. tldr; in kush i trust, don't care if you don't like it. | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:48 Eden1892 wrote: ok, so aside from sheeping kush onto gobble, who else do you want to kill dunno. only need to kill 1 at once. | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:51 Eden1892 wrote: if you've done fucktons this game, how is it that you ended up with nothing from it? How come you ask the most pointless questions in the universe? | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:52 justanothertownie wrote: How come day2 hasn't even begun and you are already calling a leap of faith neccessary? Why are you joining Eden in the most-pointless-questions-in-the-universe race? | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:54 justanothertownie wrote: Because I don't understand what you are doing. it's perfectly clear. if you don't like it, fine, but asking me questions that have no relevance to anything isn't going to help either, is it. | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:55 Eden1892 wrote: not a pointless question. you clearly haven't done fucktons if you have nobody you want to kill without sheeping someone else you don't understand the game of mafia at all, do you | ||
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you can spend 10 minutes and find 2 mafia, or you can spend 8 hours and catch 0 mafia. In this game the guy with fucktons of effort is either wrong or useless, and the guy with no effort is town MVP. | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:59 Eden1892 wrote: doesn't matter. i'm not asking you to show me the scum corpses you've strung up. i'm asking you to show me the guys you'd like to string up. mafia leads, not caught mafia. why is that such an unpalatable request? why does it matter? are you going to scumread me for telling you to go away? if you are, go for it. if not, leave me alone. either situation means you stop asking me these mindnumbingly tedious questions. | ||
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On August 07 2014 01:04 Eden1892 wrote: especially since you fucking told me to be online right now to discuss shit with you. now you're gonna blow me off and tell me to go away? the fuck is this ok the reason i said to be online now, was because i wanted to see what haru would do, at least somewhat unpressured, today before he went to sleep. as in, if he hadn't done anything by now, he would have avoided the thread all day having avoided the lynch. That's also why I told Holy to shut up when he was talking about Haru and his activity. But Haru did show up and quite a bit of what he posted sounded ok. That was the 5 hour thing - when 5 hours passed, Haru's day was passed and he would have gone to bed. | ||
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On August 07 2014 01:05 Eden1892 wrote: i bombard the thread with asking you the same question until you get pissed off and answer me what are your leads? if you don't have any, why are you content not to do anything about it? someone who knows me a little better might tell you this is quite unlikely to achieve the desired effects ![]() | ||
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so he's basically just annoyed that i'm not doing what he thinks i should be doing, which is pointless. | ||
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I love it. | ||
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On August 07 2014 01:32 Eden1892 wrote: are you having fun marv a tremendous amount, yes. i know i'm a terrible person. i love you really. | ||
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On August 07 2014 01:40 Eden1892 wrote: sigh. i can't commit to that until i'm convinced. you know that... i can go look at his filter again. while i'm doing that, how about giving me a non-gobble lead? | ||
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On August 07 2014 01:46 Eden1892 wrote: how do hos front, marv? how. i can't make myself pretend uninterested in the question so you quit screwing with me Hoes don't try to front. | ||
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I'm glad we're chill, Eden | ||
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i don't really think artanis/onegu is mafia though. need to get wave doing his thang as well. | ||
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Tone I guess? He may not have been very useful but he hasn't sounded/seemed scared to post either. i should probably do a meta check at some point | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:45 justanothertownie wrote: You don't take issue with how he didn't contribute to the lynch and afterwards shit on it? Without any concrete scumreads? seems more like lame play than scumplay to me | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:50 kushm4sta wrote: marv why townread artanis/onegu? gobbles pointint out artanis early doesn't mean anything for their alignment. 1. he dropped it for terrible reasons 2. it's not an extraordinarily odd thing for scum to bus like that right out of the gate. Early reads don't hold much weight, so they can drop it easily. They think it makes them look town. HF did the same thing to me last game we played as scum together. i dunno, i just think artanis made quite a lot of effort and posted quite a lot even when he stopped being a lynch target. i came round on him. i think you should revisit this one. | ||
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On August 07 2014 05:58 justanothertownie wrote: I am glad you shared this with the group. well you seemed so interested, so naturally i furnished a bit of detail. | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:04 kushm4sta wrote: damn marv you used to be all about the logic. Now you got lazy and you go for the feels. naw, i'm about both, and always have been. but yes, right now i'm not really wanting to get involved in this. it's something i feel doesn't have to be resolved right now, and i don't think it can be resolved with how these interactions are going. so whatever. | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:08 justanothertownie wrote: Fine. If you are town doing this well would be a much better defense though. doesn't really matter. i know when i'm under heavy attack it's almost impossible not just to defend defend defend even though you know you shouldn't. | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:09 Holyflare wrote: I'm writing all this while taking a shit on the toilet from my phone so I'll have a computer tomorrow morning your phone takes shits? blimey. | ||
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On August 07 2014 07:12 Holyflare wrote: Who uses exaggerations? Mafia does. so you're saying your phone didn't take a shit so you're mafia? | ||
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On August 07 2014 11:14 gobbledydook wrote: also marvs sheep worst sheep ever. hard defend me into sheeping kush like one page later with no reason other than trusting kush. Kush is good and hes confirmed town but hes not god, make your own decisions. Would consider a marv lynch based on that alone. that's what makes it an awesome sheep because mafia would never do something that looks so blatantly terrible. but whatchagonnado? | ||
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On August 07 2014 19:01 Onegu wrote: Nope havent follwed the play here in many months. And maybe you care a small bit more about this game since you are the champ somyou dont just quit... Idk Ill think about it. think carefully. | ||
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On August 08 2014 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote: phoneposting atm will be home in !~2h so people had better be around to discuss almost perfectly coincides for when i will not be around :p | ||
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His reads looked pretty fixed as well, so mafia could rely on him pushing the same people today as he was last cycle. The flipside of this is that there weren't many other great targets available to kill. Eden is town but all over the place. I'm a safe, standard kill but I'm floundering. So it could just have been a kill on a townie in the end. In short, this babbling isn't saying very much, and it'll have to wait until I've combed people to see if I can reach better conclusions than "um... maybe kush is right" | ||
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On August 08 2014 01:04 Holyflare wrote: There is no way poofter is a coin flip wtf wave? yes that is a particularly silly thing to say. | ||
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On August 08 2014 03:29 Tehpoofter wrote: I don't think you're very excited to play this game. I do think the "marv is still alive" thing is bad meta though. what's your evidence for making this assertion? that i didn't know what was happening n1 and said i'd sheep kush? I was monumentally involved on day 1, and I can't believe you could even start to argue otherwise | ||
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On August 08 2014 03:40 Tehpoofter wrote: It's tone and completely baseless it's just a feeling. ..... i basically don't believe you've read through any of my filter to be saying that. | ||
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On August 08 2014 03:51 Tehpoofter wrote: Not very happy or energetic, unexcited to be defending his title. hes okay with leaving and doesn't have the same caution I see as town where he really pushes things. I've mostly been very happy, I pursued Haru like a dog and I went all out on Vivax. if you're town, your ability to read the game is... er................. limited. | ||
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"he would be if he were scum" fantastic. | ||
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![]() On August 08 2014 04:11 Eden1892 wrote: no i mean even if he rolled scum he was town in melee mini unless he played 2 mafia games in the 3 weeks in-between? no, twice in a row now - Titanic -> Showdown | ||
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On August 08 2014 04:24 Tehpoofter wrote: Missed the bottom post you're right about eden being wrong ![]() he said do something useful. | ||
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he needs to filter me to see that i'm town? really? it's so... dumb. it's like he invented this strange narrative of vague-but-not-quite suspicion on me and needs to find a way to back down from it. | ||
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On August 08 2014 05:45 Tehpoofter wrote: The meaning is do you think that kush was the most townie player in the game. Its a great question. One I asked myself about kushm17sta. what do you expect to hear and gain from the question?? | ||
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On August 08 2014 05:56 Onegu wrote: Its Basicly null. Like I expect more of you. And it really wierds me out you aren't dead. Like yes kush was looking really townie and many people were putting town r.eads on him. But still Its much easier for you to push a lynch though than kush. Like you are the champ if you get a good scum read on someone and say it in thread that person gets lynched very little questions asked. While Kush would have to like work much harder to push a lynch though. That means you are so much more dangerous. Second you were very active about vivax. I mean if you dont push it he doesnt get lynched I think. That is just your power in a game. Mafia should really fear that. Hence why arent you dead. I keep asking my self this. I just keep asking myself is that enough to lynch you for now? and atm I am thinking not quite enough. Thats also why I am really looking a haru now. Because he did give me some feelings when I quickly read the thread to catch up.. Not as much as HF but still. this is like the worst thing i've ever read | ||
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On August 08 2014 06:05 Tehpoofter wrote: Please That reasoning is good and you know it. I want to find out your alignment because if you're town you're a huge asset and if you're mafia you're a detriment and I don't want to sheep you to a loss. I gave my tone thing and the only reason I think it might change is because lots of people are saying I'm wrong and there isn't that many mafia so I consider I might be wrong ::gasp:: so basically what i said then. jolly good. | ||
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I think you have but I can't remember which one. Help a brother out please | ||
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On November 01 2013 18:16 Onegu wrote: Koshi, Pandain, and I also dont like marv much. Not sure how everyone was saying he is the most townie person in thread, also he reacted the same way in desert mafia to a midday replacement, he was scum that game. This is Onegu replacing into a game continuing to read | ||
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On November 01 2013 22:46 Onegu wrote: Not sure about marv but you shoveing town reads on him the entire game makes absolutely no sense. | ||
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On August 08 2014 06:32 Eden1892 wrote: Wait why didn't I call this out earlier??? This dude was complaining about how gobble was a terrible lynch d1 and how he hated being forced to choose between gobble and Haru, then he's super down for a gobble lynch??? Wtf find the quotes for me babygirl. put them in thread | ||
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I think i might have something with this Onegu thing, it's gonna take me time though. ##Vote: ObiWan | ||
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On August 08 2014 06:41 Tehpoofter wrote: hmm I won't argue its me. How am I on metric btw? you're not on your usual work schedule | ||
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On August 08 2014 06:53 Tehpoofter wrote: His ease of talking early on seemed townie to me. He didn't seem afraid to post day 1. He also wouldn't give us as much information as someone like Haru or Goobly. Haru being a wagon switched off late yesterday adn Goobly being my biggest scum read (::cough:: I'm totally not impartial ::cough: ![]() this does not address in any way what eden brought up. now explain what obi did that eden brought up. | ||
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On August 08 2014 07:18 Tehpoofter wrote: I admit his point about if he is scum it looks really good for haru/goobly. I just disagree. Dumpster tier I like the phrase so I used it. His point about if obi flips scum is pretty decent and obi would spew that hard as scum I think. I still think Goobly or Haru is better I'm interested in their reappearances to thread (all three tbh) you still have not given an explanation for Obi's gobbledy progression. stop dodging | ||
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On August 08 2014 07:33 Onegu wrote: <3. Im drifting in and out of metal ability. But my stuff this game isnt unsubstantiated. Like its really wierd, you should be dead in a game with no blues n1. you're mafia. | ||
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ok so originally we have this playerlist 1.marvellosity 2.Holyflare 3.kushm4sta 4.Eden1892 5.Tehpoofter 6.Vivax 7.HaruRH 8.gobbledydook 9.goodkarma 10.WaveofShadow 11.Artanis replaced by Onegu 12.justanothertownie 13.ObiWanShinobi kush died, vivax died, i am town, i am certain eden is town, i think jat is town, i think goodkarma is town (although i will leave him in for just one purpose) 2.Holyflare 5.Tehpoofter 7.HaruRH 8.gobbledydook 9.goodkarma 10.WaveofShadow 11.Artanis replaced by Onegu 13.ObiWanShinobi so if we assume i am right about gk and this list is 7, we can almost lynch into it indiscriminately. obviously i'm not advising that but just a minor sidepoint. In any case, I went back to look at who these players targeted at the beginning of the game (and also just a general quick check). My basis for this (which some of you may complain about, but i think it has validity) is that mafia do not usually just bus out of the gate for no reason, usually they try to put suspicion on a townie first. Also made a couple of other observations. So I'm left with this: 2.Holyflare - went after Haru 5.Tehpoofter - went after Haru, marv - NB. his filter is full of shit for the first several pages and actually finding reads was difficult. 7.HaruRH - went after noone for ages, then Artanis 8.gobbledydook - went after Artanis and then also Haru, weirdly 9.goodkarma - went after Haru (see why i included him here - in case i am wrong about GK, he went after Haru anyway) 10.WaveofShadow - went after Haru 11.Artanis replaced by Onegu - went after Obiwan, and goes ham on Haru later when I did. N.B. the first few pages of his filter are absolutely full of crap. 13.ObiWanShinobi - went after Wave It seems like Haru is/was an exceptionally popular target, often an early target, often hard. I find it extremely unlikely Haru is mafia given how hounded he was by all the not-really-townie-looking-people-in-the-game-and-even-the-townish-gk. Fin | ||
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On August 08 2014 07:51 Tehpoofter wrote: Marv's read is interesting I see the non-busing from the beginning. Did you bother to look at your lock towns? Were they doing the same thing on Haru or no? Why do you think onegu is mafia? Already made a couple of meta points why. And Artanis' filter is really terrible. working on onegu's meta at the moment. jat, who is townie but not "confirmed" to me like me/eden, also went after Haru hard. I went after Haru. kush/vivax did not go after Haru. | ||
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Problem is, while researching, his filter didn't seem mafia to me. Even though you do have a great point with the gobbledy thing. I just think it could be bad/stupid/unexplained play. | ||
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On August 08 2014 07:54 justanothertownie wrote: Marv you are doing part of what we lynched Vivax for... defending a scummy mofo without even considering his actions. I see where you are coming from but I really doubt this is enough to clear him. yes it is. if i don't want to lynch obi today, we ain't doing it. End of story. | ||
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oh Haru? Well my reasons are better than your reasons. Try get Haru lynched without me, he's town for now for me. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:04 justanothertownie wrote: Sure it does... So who is the lynch oh wise man? i am not saying "you must lynch who i say" (although that is nice), i'm saying you should be able to understand the basic reasoning i've laid out. | ||
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Firstly Artanis was a whiny little bitch. kush thought Artanis was mafia (yes i know this isn't actually a reason, appeal to authority of n1 kill and all that). He spent the first 3-4 pages of his filter doing absolutely jack shit. That's exactly the same kinda crap he pulled in I'm a Cop when he was mafia. He provides almost nothing of substance, and gives up. The only major contribution he makes is going hard after Haru while I was going hard after Haru. It was completely unnecessary because I was all over Haru's ass already, but Artanis was there arguing as well. It's like that was his only motivation for doing it - he could see something to get stuck into and make posts about, so he did. Also I've gone off Haru being mafia so that just makes the push look opportunistic (yes, i know associations - I did exactly the same in the hydra game with rayn/slendy vs glowing/haru and i was totally right) Onegu Mostly this is all going to be meta. Because meta. Mm, delicious meta. I will show you some games and excerpts. First of all, Onegu replacing into ## as mafia (database said he was town, he was not, he was mafia) + Show Spoiler [Onegu replacing as mafia] + Onegu replacing as mafia: On November 01 2013 18:16 Onegu wrote: Koshi, Pandain, and I also dont like marv much. Not sure how everyone was saying he is the most townie person in thread, also he reacted the same way in desert mafia to a midday replacement, he was scum that game. Mafia reading three townies; 2 of which are very townie (Koshi, marv) Note language: "I don't like" On November 01 2013 18:18 Onegu wrote: Koshi has been sheeping alot and just asking for powerups day one. Really dont like that from him. Also I am more than 30 pages back I cannot add : / Im in the middle of night 1 with nukes flying everywhere. "really don't like" Makes a massive, bad case on v townie Koshi On November 01 2013 22:46 Onegu wrote: Not sure about marv but you shoveing town reads on him the entire game makes absolutely no sense. Doubt on townie town leader On November 01 2013 22:52 Onegu wrote: Marv, Koshi never give a reason for calling you town. He just says you are confirmed and I have no idea why he would do that as town, you are most likely the best player in this game as either alignment, there is no way you can be confirmed town with no reason. etc Onegu replacing as town: + Show Spoiler [Onegu replacing as town] + Onegu replacing as town: On July 15 2013 09:37 Onegu wrote: The first thing I want to say while rereading as I have somewhat followed the thread is reguarding hurricanes first post. You guys gave him way to much town cred for that post. It was basic info that would have been discussed and talked about no matter what. And hzflank saying something about him being towny bececause he was coaching? Look what I did day 1 last game with alakaslam. In no way should he get any town cred for this at all and should be looked at closely, we already know he is a solid player. Still reading... Comes out with a specific reason why he did not like a post, and explains it. On July 15 2013 10:13 Onegu wrote: Sorry hope you guus dont mind if I post as I go, some of it may have been addressed already but I want to give my take like it just happend. I would have been all over the stim lynch. I really want to lynch all liars. Then hurricane says There is no way you can know this my first game sometimes I would ask a question and not get a reponse for hours, so there is no way you should ever make this assumption. Decisive, none of this "i don't like" On July 15 2013 10:17 Onegu wrote: You better make scum reads this game or I am 4rlz comeing after you. On July 15 2013 10:45 Onegu wrote: Totally just claimed mafia. Tunnel mode initiated! "hate this post so much" vs "i don't like this, i don't like marv, i don't like koshi" making townreads decisively, not wishy washy mafia reads joking about a bit. Onegu's typical townplay: + Show Spoiler [Typical Town Onegu] + Town in Time To Die: On November 15 2013 21:19 Onegu wrote: Hello fellow team liquidians. Sorry I have been busy for the day. Im am also going to run for mayor. First if I am elected I will not listen to anyone as they may corrupt my thoughts, and you dont want a corrupt mayor. Second I will not shoot at scum with my day one lynch, I will find and kill 3p, this gets rid of two people that do not have pro town ideals, instead of just one. With this in mind it is obvious I am the best choice for mayor. UNCORRUPTABLE FOR LXIII PS from this game on I will put sorry in every first post every game. PPS Yes Im serious Jokey but also not jokey mayor post. On November 15 2013 23:48 Onegu wrote: Ok Im on page 31 had to play with my son in between reading. First impressions of things that have so far stuck out to me. I miss the old alakaslam :/ he just like a regular player now... Maybe thats a good thing. The whole VE thing I dont have good grip on the situation but I think people are overblowing his thoughts. Supersoft is who I am more concerned with while reading. I have been paying attention to rayns posts and nothing is sticking out as scum to me, but that was the same day one in witchcraft, I then saw something day two and his responses are what made me jump on him that game. Yamato is looking fairly townie at the moment. I was ok ish with HF mayor post, seeing it was prewritten makes me feel nothing one way or the other. Still reading if I see anything else I will respond. Again I go by feel with my reads. Chit chatting about Slam, doesn't get VE, ok with rayn and explains why, also a TOWNREAD on yam (seems to be absent in his mafiagames...), ok with HF On November 16 2013 00:05 Onegu wrote: Oh and slam is town, unless while he was gone he was playing on another site. I dont see a scum slam comeing in here and being all legible and open like he is. Second I dont like grack and his defense of storrzerg. First storrzerg doesnt need it and the way grack is doing it saying he is just out of newbie games is giving off warning bells to me. townread with explanation On November 16 2013 00:27 Onegu wrote: First off I disagree with this, a town and scum rayn both are this way, check out persona 4 mafia and rayns attack on WoS D1, he was town that game. The biggest dif imo for scum and town rayn is you can normally tell is rayn believes his case or not. You have to look at that, once he starts to tunnel onto someone you have to ask him questions and call him out and you should be able to get a read on him. I was thinking about why I started to tunnel him so hard in witchcraft and I figured out this was the reason. Also he isnt quite as active as scum, but this isnt as accurate. well explained reasoning On November 16 2013 01:33 Onegu wrote: Also UNCORRUPTABLE FOR MAYOR LXIII jokey mayor Onegu's last mafia game in PYP: + Show Spoiler [yes] + ok I got really lazy here but here's the link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/436086-pyp-league-of-legends-mafia?user=Onegu Long and short of it is the same as his typical mafia play and the differences with his townplay - very little to no townreads, no explanations of why he's town or neutral on people, no jokes, only bad mafia reads ##Vote: Onegu | ||
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he is doing exactly what he did in the other game he replaced as mafia. He comes in and starts giving out weak scumreads on the fly, on prominent players (me, hf) compared to (koshi, marv) in the previous game as mafia. There's no joking about or lightheartedness at all, he only does scumreads and not townreads, which he always gives and explains as town. In short he's playing exactly to his mafia meta and nothing like his town meta. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:22 justanothertownie wrote: And poofter if you really think so this makes your play even shadier. hahahahaha yes. owned. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:25 justanothertownie wrote: Nice vote distribution... says the guy not bothering to vote. anyway we should lynch onegu. | ||
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you're very good at complaining. | ||
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Statistically, this lynch is a sure thing. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:30 justanothertownie wrote: Probably as reliable a statistic as BHs random lynch. BH's random lynch has hit 0 mafia I have hit 100% mafia on day 2 onegu replacing | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Is this true? Cause I think it's well known that I've fucked up onegu reads about a billion times Also can't read the spoilers on your onegu ca right now you should read the spoilers when you can, but the tldr is the 3rd post of the last page. | ||
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wtf | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:33 Holyflare wrote: I mean like you went to all that effort when all you really had to do was point out that he's not doing anything and voted his null read over his mafia read? :p i went into tryhard-need-to-solve-this-game-and-stop-being-terrible mode. | ||
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just not onegu-level right now. | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I am disturbed by the idea that if I am to go along with this, I will be dropping my primary scumread for a sheep vote Haru hasn't done shit in quite a while and this basically gives him a free marvpass the problem is, you might be mafia, so i don't trust you very much. | ||
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that should be enough for him for now. | ||
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naw, that's me talking about yoghurt and Planetarion :p | ||
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On August 08 2014 08:44 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm rubber and you're glue Plz marv when do you ever trust me And also plz, confirmed townies aren't always right. they're not always right, but when dead confirmed townies think the same I do, that's definitely on the plus side and not the negative side ![]() | ||
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"there's 0% chance i'm lynching wave today" if you recall | ||
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And a fine and productive alliance it was ^^ | ||
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Probably i just have a higher threshold of assholery, but still... ![]() | ||
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case on artanis/onegu = he is useless asshole (artanis) and he (onegu) conforms in every way to his mafia meta case 2 > case 1 there i did it. | ||
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On August 08 2014 09:04 gobbledydook wrote: I can just go put my vote back on myself and you can see when I flip town that I'm just a shitty town. sadly 1 vote won't lynch you, so i'll make do with your vote on Onegu ![]() | ||
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a lot of the activity was euro and it's getting pretty late. | ||
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On August 08 2014 15:12 Eden1892 wrote: omfg this is giving me the WORST vibes lmao it's like blackmail man! "we're talking so nice right now. don't fuck it up by lynching me!" fuck i want to believe so bad that you're town and we're on the same wavelength finally but FUCK if this ain't makin me worried lemme look at this tomorrow aite? yeah, you should probably get off his balls a bit, Eden. | ||
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On August 08 2014 16:43 Onegu wrote: Oh and Im not scum. oh yes you are | ||
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what else would they do? | ||
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On August 08 2014 22:18 justanothertownie wrote: Might have something to do with how confident marv is. ^ | ||
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On August 09 2014 01:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I said the same thing when I saw Marv push his first lynch in Order. If Marv wants someone to die, that person generally dies. I have no idea why this is, but as long as Marv is town, I don't really care. my extraordinary sex appeal. | ||
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I'm still annoyed Palmar denied me that in whatever mini it was. | ||
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On August 09 2014 02:39 justanothertownie wrote: Shouldn't it be night for Onegu by now? 00:40 in Thailand apparently. | ||
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On August 09 2014 02:44 Eden1892 wrote: tbh what i think happened is he checked game, saw approaching-unanimous vote count, prolly saw scum qt people saying "aite we gotta bus fam" and said "yea no problem, i rather get laid than defend against marv and friends anyway, glhf sorry i suck" that's what i'd do I get laid so often I'd rather defend a hopeless cause just for something different. BOOM | ||
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On August 09 2014 02:46 Holyflare wrote: Kush totally found out i was town btw and wished me gl i was about to go "omg cheater" and then i realised what you meant. | ||
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On August 09 2014 03:20 Onegu wrote: Ok I am town, I flip town. What has marv done this game? Taken nothing serious much. Contributed heavily to 2 town players mislynch. And the most feared town player on all of TL doesnt die N1 when he cannot be protected? This all adds up to a scum marv. Die in a fire. (in the mafia sense, I like you as a person) | ||
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On August 09 2014 03:31 Onegu wrote: Ok is this what you expect from a Marv town game? Go read ## Mafia that I replaced into. He didnt catch with BS meta case. He caught with actual scum hunting. He asked questions to me and when I answered he asked more until he cornered me. There is none of that here. Its here is a meta case on a guy who hasnt played in 8 months, go get em. I have never seen a town Marv play like this. He isnt acrively trying to solve the game. Hes trowning things out there and hopeing they stick and then jokeing around. Unless he has changed this much in the time I have been gone. Seriously. Fire. Hoppity hop. You. | ||
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On August 09 2014 05:11 Onegu wrote: I like you to marv as a peson, but really I am disapoint if you are town this game makeing a case on me based on 8+ month old meta. And I have a very health lush head of hair. have you had a mafia epiphany in the interim? | ||
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On August 09 2014 05:12 Onegu wrote: Also why you tickle my armpits? i have to admit you have a point. At least you'll die giggling | ||
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I'm genuinely sorry if you're town, Onegu, but I just really don't think you are. | ||
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Grats scumteam, especially jat, you played great. | ||
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On August 13 2014 23:42 justanothertownie wrote: Thanks ^_^ Please don't scumread me for being trolly/jokey in the future. I would have done it as town and I will do it given the opportunity. This game was just really fun at times regardless of alignment. Thinking back I'm not even sure how I'd have gone about catching you in the first day or two tbh. | ||
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On August 14 2014 02:09 WaveofShadow wrote: I was actually busy for the record, I just managed to get time off for LYLO ![]() Also my cases against you were SO BAD I didn't even read the friggin thread when I posted that first one about you sheeping, then I had to go back and try to make it make at least some sense....good lord marv I am disappoint. I think that's three times I've beaten you :D Yes ![]() the little things - like moving off Haru on day 1 because Vivax pissed me off. It was so close to being different. And i listened to kush too much. actually i do respect his opinions but i had both gobbledy and holyflare as town early d1 and got swayed off those reads. | ||
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