EPTFine. I can see you're not going to listen to my words. Maybe getting lynched again will open up those ears.
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Eden1892
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Fine. I can see you're not going to listen to my words. Maybe getting lynched again will open up those ears. | ||
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dude is going in | ||
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On August 06 2014 23:32 kushm4sta wrote: link the wedip game? ITS IN MY FILTER LOLOLOLOL Just for you, my friend. http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=1129589#1129589 God bless you trying to read it btw. I love webdip (I'm a mod there) but our forum is not conducive to mafia. We try tho... | ||
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Eden1892
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why wouldn't scum want a no-lynch? they would love to reduce the # of mislynches they need to force by 1 without giving us a flip and who cares if Vivax hard scumread him? that doesn't mean anything for his alignment since that wasn't the reason he voted Vivax off | ||
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On August 06 2014 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Therein lies the problem. I felt like I was choosing to vote between two towns. Are you asking me to lynch you? Why did you put yourself in that situation by pointedly refusing to push your scumread(s) in a remotely convincing way? | ||
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On August 06 2014 23:49 kushm4sta wrote: Scum have a huge desire to be present at EoD, just not be active. He wanted to see if he was getting lynched. Why wouldn't scum want a no lynch?? Because lynching town is better than lynching no one for scum. Who cares if vivax hard scumread him? That just gives him more incentive to want vivax dead. he didn't have time to be active when he checked in afaik. hell his vote switch failed because he was too late. why would scum even bother? as for whether that's better or not, i'm not convinced it is necessarily. and that's not even a knock on Vivax's play to say scum would prefer him alive than dead. but he had been a controversial player throughout d1 and I could totally see scum valuing the potential distraction power of a living controversial target, and preventing his d1 flip, more than they feared his contributions. it's not clear cut your last point is silly, you have to assume gobble is scum for it to be a valid point toward him being scum. town!gobble has no reason to value killing a townie more just because that townie hard scumreads him. i don't think you're being very objective about this lynch, kush | ||
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Eden1892
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On August 06 2014 23:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I had a valid excuse to never show up but I stuck it out and was very vocal about what I was thinking. You are making shit up as you go, I swear. you were very vocally bitching and moaning about the game state while doing nothing to move it elsewhere | ||
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Eden1892
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On August 06 2014 23:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Because I wasn't convinced that either of them were scum. no fuck. i'm asking why you let it get there in the first place. you had two days to find and push a better case and you chose to spend most of the day telling us to vote marv because ~~Reasons~~. you end up dropping this and picking up no alternative, spending your time instead whining about "all the tryhards" in the game to justify your pointed noninvolvement, and then after someone flips town you've spent the rest of the evening talking about how it was soooo scum-driven, except by "talking" i mean you just keep repeating this assertion and saying that ~~Scum~~ were pushing it without saying who or making a case for them, and just calling me an idiot and shouting down my perfectly coherent and reasonable arguments for it being town-driven | ||
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On August 06 2014 23:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I guess the part where I yelled about not switching to Vivax doesn't count. no, it doesn't, since you didn't want to kill anyone else that was viable, and did nothing beforehand to make someone you wanted to kill viable. do you honestly not understand this? townies find people they think are scum and try to get them lynched. scum stall and try to find reasons not to push things because pushing things = engagement = more opportunities to fuck up and get caught. you better hope to god holyflare has something convincing to say about your innocence like he implied earlier because you're easily the best target right now in my eyes | ||
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Eden1892
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On August 06 2014 23:58 kushm4sta wrote: eden im not saying that his vote switch is evidence that he's scum. I'm just saying it's not evidence that he is town, because there is plenty of scum motivation for doing exactly what he did. So this is from his towngame, right? what scum motivation is that? check a few pages back, marv and I talked about it and concluded the more reasonable answer is that gobble is town - might help you get a reference for where I'm coming from and yeah that's a case, I was actually thinking about the case he makes on WardenDresden later on though | ||
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Eden1892
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so again, gobble didn't try to lynch Vivax because Vivax scumread him, as far as we can know. he moved his vote at the last second to try to prevent a no-lynch. you're assuming a motivation that you can't prove at all to advance this argument and the other stuff: town has a motivation to avoid a no-lynch as well, obviously, that's why we lynch at all. him wanting a lynch instead of a no-lynch isn't scummy. you said earlier that you were arguing that it doesn't make him town; never mind that i disagree, why are you now arguing that it's affirmatively scummy, instead of that it's not affirmatively town? the Vivax meta thing i'm not personally familiar with so can't comment, but is gobble even aware of this meta? i guess his teammates could make him aware of it, which is akin to something holyflare said earlier. this doesn't really strike me as a great reason either, because then you could argue that anyone trying to lynch someone who's reputed to be good as town is scummy for doing so. which is dumb i guess i'm gonna need to go look back at gobble's case on haru again to see if i'm wrong, i don't remember seeing the misinterpretations you're talking about. or at least it didn't seem any different from the webdip cases, would probably be a better way to put it but kush at this point everything else is you taking onesided explanations of gobble's behavior without giving fair or due consideration to the other side. i can appreciate you arguing that him being around at EOD like he was isn't a town lean but i can't understand how you can conclude it's a scum lean | ||
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Eden1892
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nor do i see the misinterpretations you're alleging. in fact in your original post quoting these alleged misinterpretations, you straight up just call them misinterpretations without any elaboration at all. can you do that now? or if i missed a later elaboration please point me to it? ty | ||
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not familiar with his recent track record and also don't care, i'm not in leap-of-faith mode so i'm not planning to take one. why are you in leap-of-faith mode anyway? | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:28 marvellosity wrote: why not? if someone's in good form and is convinced someone is mafia, that's kinda compelling. i get tons of lynches through like that. sheeping good skill to have tbh. because you should be trying to find something compelling yourself. come on, now. i guarantee you didn't get that belt by sheeping to victory | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:28 kushm4sta wrote: Read the bolded closely. GD is making it seem like Haru is making an association case between artanis and whoever. When Haru's reason for suspecting artanis actually had nothing to do with associations. maybe you could not snip pertinent parts of his post when you try to interpret it... right before that he points out that Haru was sheeping: On August 05 2014 22:53 gobbledydook wrote: Here he sheeps on Artanis. The post before the vote he says something really vague that isn't even necessarily correct. Then he votes Artanis without any reason other than basically other people voted too. No attempt to substantiate the vote. If he were trying to scumhunt would he not have a better reason than 'Artanis is close to someone I think is suspicious'? I thought mafia generally avoid associating with each other? The conclusion therefore, is he's just voting so he can put his vote somewhere. gobble is assessing the only reason Haru gave, which Haru did in fact give - that Arty felt scummy for buddying someone suspicious. this isn't a misinterpretation at all | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:30 marvellosity wrote: why should I be? because you're not a useless donkey jabroni | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:34 Onegu wrote: Holyflare is scum. Just the way he jumps on certain things gives me feelings he is scum then either drops it of if someelse talks about he keeps going.  | ||
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Eden1892
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i'm just not seeing what he's seeing at all, and i know we talked about this earlier. frankly it's really frustrating that you're supposedly so good but not putting any legwork in yourself right now | ||
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On August 07 2014 00:40 marvellosity wrote: I don't know, but I know that when I am totally convinced someone is mafia they always turn mafia, and kush has been finding mafia left right and centre recently, so his certainty has earned my vote. Being a good or competent townie isn't necessarily about doing shit yourself all the time. i know it's not, i'm not saying it is. but there's a difference between "doing shit yourself all the time" and "not doing anything." someone has to produce the material for others to sheep. if you're gonna sheep kush cause he's been on fire lately, fine, but there's still two other mafia to find. why rest on the laurels of one? and that's assuming gobble is scum, of which i'm not at all convinced | ||
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