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there is 1 large game running. there are 0 minis running or taking signups. ??? (also large games require more time investment and are more prone to spam and inactivity.) | ||
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On July 30 2014 07:46 Holyflare wrote: I think you're confusing guts with being retarded. You yourself agreed with my complaint about games degrading and not being analytical but the moment i start with analysis why do you try and sidetrack that instead of just refuting what i said and in fact avoiding any real analysis with some useless "do you have the guts question"? Very bad vivax um ok so first vivax is too tryhard, must be scum.. now vivax is sidetracking analysis? those seem like contradictory points. Furthermore I would not describe vivax's play as either of those things. | ||
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Set up talk is bad? I'd say it's not alignment indicative usually, but I think there is an optimal way to play this setup and if discussion can bring us towards that, it is productive and protown. | ||
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Also if both people are scummy, what's the difference of having them both up for lynch at the same time than having them up one at a time? | ||
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On July 30 2014 07:57 Holyflare wrote: No. Selectively picking out something and making it seem like it's different and then writing a longer paragraph than needed on it = try hard. Scummy. Vivax then sidetracks MY analysis on his post to a silly question which he would know there's only one real answer to. Scummy. Then he keeps talking about dueling me tomorrow instead of discussing why something is wrong ot right or why specifically he picked sloosh out of 3 people that posted similarly. Scummy. HF case on vivax: 1. tryhard "longer paragraph" on sloosh's fake duel it wasn't even near a paragraph. Vivax looks like he was just doing his due diligence pressuring earlygame derp. plus your statement that it was the same as ritoky is not true, because fake dueling is closer to something very harmful to town like fake claiming. ritoky just said random shit. 2. he keeps talking about dueling you tomorrow/sidetracking analysis he mentioned dueling you only once in a very indirect way. how is he sidetracking analysis when all he did was answer your joke with another short joke.. you say : how much do you scumread me? he says : 5 much you say : do you have the guts to duel me that is sidetracking analysis?? | ||
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palmar that was extremely dumb. marv probably just afk ##vote marv | ||
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On July 31 2014 08:09 Vivax wrote: I kinda read him as town cause he shared my view in the HF vs me thingy, but I guess I need to evaluate more closely. what is the 1 shot power he is talking about? | ||
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On July 31 2014 08:10 Vivax wrote: No, he wanted me dead and would have created a town vs town situation. There's more behind that kill than the eyes see at first glance. he said he woudl duel you if a duel hadn't been started by the time he woke up, but that is pretty unlikely. I had palmar as a light townread, but what's concerning me is there is a lot of mafia motive behind killing marv like that. He's afk so it doesn't look too scummy, but he's also a huge potential threat if he ever starts playing. | ||
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Why would mafia never duel marv in this situation? | ||
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On July 31 2014 09:39 slOosh wrote: I'm not solely town reading Palmar because of his dueling marv.. What I don't get is how you scum read Palmar because of his dueling marv. I'm not scumreading palmar, really. It's just a see the potential scum motivation behind the duel, and I think the duel is really shitty. | ||
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On July 31 2014 10:08 slOosh wrote: Hey kush, could you read goodkarma and MysteryMeat1 for me? In the process of reading through the thread right now. At page 17. I actually think goodkarma calling out sinani is sort of town, just because he was okay with his entrance being so contentless. Not a strong read though. MM i haven't seen yet. ~~~ Is there something I missed in regards to this? On July 31 2014 08:01 Palmar wrote: tbh if marv looks supertown idc you can lynch me. I've already used my one-shot worthless power anyway. | ||
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this quote looks town to me, not sure why On July 31 2014 02:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Your list included people who i was townreading, why wouldnt i find you scummy for trying to lynch people i think are town | ||
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Palmar is looking townie cause 1. lots of townreads, which are easy to do as scum but not smart to do because it narrows your mislynch options. I don't expect him to townread people like that as scum. 2. active, responsive early game 3. no nervousness in his tone 4. instaduel might be anti town but it shows fearlessness | ||
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On July 30 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote: I think yamato is mafia On July 30 2014 13:35 yamato77 wrote: lolhf Yamato responds to a one liner less than two hours later. Clearly he is reading the thread, but he claims to have no time to play. How can someone with no time to play read the thread? On July 31 2014 00:50 yamato77 wrote: still don't really have time to play until tomorrow unfortunate for you folks | ||
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On July 31 2014 13:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Actually, why is it that Palmar pretended to give a shit about the thread atmosphere when Holyflare was posting, but then all of a sudden #yolo duels Marv? That doesn't make any sense. He cared about not spamming. that's not exactly the same as caring about pro town atmosphere. | ||
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yamato77 sinani206 fuba damdred goodkarma ~~~ Let me expand on goodkarma. 1. NK analysis Rayn put the most pressure on goodkarma. He also scumread him. 2. Post 3 On July 31 2014 04:01 goodkarma wrote: I'd bomb batsnacks or Damdred. Batsnack's scummy and is a clear liability if he's going to continue playing like this. He's done literally nothing useful all game. Damdred hasn't contributed much of anything, and is super-wishy washy with what reads he does give. Most of the lurkers at this point have become or promised to be more active, so I'd be inclined to give them a chance. Fuba doesn't count as he's looking like he's getting modkilled. As town he would have more thoughts on the game if he were following it as closely as he is. We know he is following it closely because he knows fuba is probably going to get modkilled. "Batsnacks is scummy and is a clear liability if he's going to continue playing like this." - I see a contradiction here. Liability is what you call someone you think is town but is playing bad in some way. Someone can't really be scummy AND be a liability. Goodkarma, why is he scummy? 3. Post 5 + Show Spoiler + On July 31 2014 04:50 goodkarma wrote: Look at any of my prior games and you should know my day 1 usually involves removing people that are most likely to be D1 liabilities. You should also know that I don't spam like crazy in games. Every post I make has a purpose, or I don't post it. I don't talk about jagers or any other random crap. I only post when I feel it'll be helpful. On top of that I don't have a scum read on any of the active players right now. So heaven forbid, that leaves who I've listed as the most likely scum candidates. Sinani specifically has been brought up. If he behaves this way all game, he's a huge liability and a good bomb target. But from what he's posted it looks like he'll only behave like this day one, and this is why I excluded him. Here he is very focused on defending himself using meta. Except I did look at his meta, and in every town game he gave thoughts on people other than lurkers and usually asked questions. This game: On top of that I don't have a scum read on any of the active players right now. His last scum game: As far as who Hapa should "vigi" with his mayor powers, I haven't seen anyone so far that looks very scummy 4. Post 6 + Show Spoiler + On July 31 2014 05:10 goodkarma wrote: @Vivax: This is literally the only thing resembling a read I've seen in Damdred's filter. Hence why I said wishy-washy. It's the way I play mafia on day 1. Vote histories and how people push players makes subsequent days much easier. Mafia is lynched about as often as you'd get from RNG day 1, and there's a reason for that. If you're mislynching town most of the time, I'd prefer to mislynch a liability. Besides that, I've found active players tend to be town more often than mafia. Unfortunately, this is all the time I can put into this game before night ends so if you're going to bomb me you're going to bomb me. But I'd encourage you to look at some of my prior games. My day 1's are historically a bit dicey. Probably because of my approach (even though it's a good one). I'm here and talking to you, and I'll be here for you to get a better read on (if I live) as the game progresses. Leave me alive, and I'm confident you'll find I'm a cheese that gets better with age, as I've shown in many of my prior games. But if I die I would highly encourage you to set up a duel between the two people I've listed. Especially Damdred if he continues to post the way he has. Ehh I'm kind of unscumreading goodkarma at this point. Don't you hate it when you write a long post and in the middle of you it you change your mind. whatever im posting everything anyway cause yolo spamin it up. fuck | ||
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On July 31 2014 14:14 slOosh wrote: Check out Normal Mini IV, a relatively recent game. Despite having only 2 pages of filter, he was very involved in D1, and consequently shot N1. I don't think the meta picture he paints himself of being totally reserved D1 fits here. um... worst metaing ever. "he was active d1 in this other game, therefore if he's not active d1 he is scum" no. He said he didn't have time and I believe him. | ||
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On July 31 2014 14:14 slOosh wrote: He doesn't really seem to care about the big issues of the thread and sounds very unconvinced by his own arguments. He hasn't really mad any arguments. He has talked about wanting to lynch 'liabilities" aka batsnacks and damdred. Here is him talking about "liabilities in other town games. ##Vote: VE It's pretty clear he's not interested in keeping up with this game and is spewing whatever comes off the top of his head. Not clearly scum-aligned thought process, but a clear liability ##Vote: VE It's pretty clear he's not interested in keeping up with this game and is spewing whatever comes off the top of his head. Not clearly scum-aligned thought process, but a clear liability He has never mentioned "liability" as scum. | ||
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He needs to roleclaim if town is to trust that he is an asset and not a liability going further into this game. | ||
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It's not that he doesn't care about the game. It's that he hasn't been giving the game the time and he is not keeping up on reading. If he was, he would realize that Palmar dueled it so fast that batsnacks wouldn't have even had a chance. He had concerns about batsnacks yesterday, and he is following up on those concerns. I don't scumread him. I thought I did, then I looked into it, and now I don't. | ||
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How do you read damdred? I'm thinking maybe he's scum. | ||
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On August 01 2014 00:50 justanothertownie wrote: It does not completely clear him since marv could not be arsed to play but discussing this is not going to gain us anything. it completely clears him lol. | ||
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I don't think vivax belongs there. He has just so much townie content. ~~~ also i really don't think this scumteam gives a fuck | ||
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On July 31 2014 22:52 Damdred wrote: Just read the thread and caught up i'll be here all day What in the world is this post? Before this you posted like two one liners and then say me and batty haven't added anything to the game? Its true that bat was acting a bit insane for...most of the thread but if he could settle down could end up helping town. And why give the other lurkers a chance but single me out? It makes no sense and it looks like you are just playing on a few misgivings about me and trying to build up mistrust and get me killed. You have been pretty wishy washy up until this point and quite frankly you trying to throw it onto other people is dumb and bad play if town. Why take out townies that could be liablities? Wouldn't it be better to find some way to engage them into the game? Every town death brings us closer to lylo, I would rather that bomb be used on a scummy player rather than a lurker and I would rather every duel have a scummy player in it not someone who can be a liability. This post just sounds like hey guy si'm town check out my other games i always take out liabilities. These guys haven't proved to be liabilities yet though just not up to your posting standards. Why so focused in on me and a few people you thought were liabilities why aren't you actually scum hunting here? You just seem like you are trying to push town towards easy targets in all of your posts and it doesn't make much sense to me. That it is you were town... Well how about some other thoughts on this? You agree with Palmar... overall you seem to be agreeing to just agree as a few have said. You don't give much in the way of thoughts and it seems like you have avoided a few questions in the thread, overall i'm going to hard scum read you, I don't feel like your town play would be this and it just helps mafia the way you approach the game. I'd bet my life that you are scum honestly. Anyone else find it weird how he keeps saying "if you're town" then he "hard scum reads him"? Also it's more confident than I'd expect from town damdred. | ||
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On August 01 2014 03:07 batsnacks wrote: kush I think this post from goodkarma pretty much confirms both me and Damdred as town: because scum never buses, right? a scu mplayer who is not active in the thread is very likely to bus, because he thinks it makes him look good and his opinion has no influence anyway, so there isn't really a downside. | ||
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Plus in this game, scum never have to really vote for a lynch. It's always going to be a townie person dueling a scummy person. So that makes buses even better because your vote isn't going to be deciding anything. | ||
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he's probably the scummiest person who is decently active. Other than that there's sinani, mysterymeat, fuba, and yourself who fall into the category of who the fuck knows. | ||
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On August 01 2014 10:54 ritoky wrote: excluding yourself and palmar, who do you feel is off limits for some sploding? and why? um i'd rather do it the other way around because it's easier yamato77 sinani206 fuba MysteryMeat1 Damdred pick from that list. As for why, I've already gone into why I think damdred is scummy. Everyone else is inactive so there aren't really reasons apart from that why they could be scum. | ||
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obi you don't have the balls to be duelmaster | ||
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scum never bus in a game with no downside to busing. right? hey you ungrateful fucks should be thankful that I saved you from the bored of deciding between two inactives. | ||
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On August 02 2014 04:22 Damdred wrote: Hey guys, this is interesting to log into, i've caught up to this point and i'm taken aback that Kush would rush into this so hard. He always reads me as scum which is fine. And if I have to claim to survive I will but i'm not scum. Um... last two games we played together I read you as town and I was one of the few people to do so. | ||
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So you have a choice of lynching definite town (me) or maybe town (damdred). Seems like a pretty easy choice, despite how pissed you are at me. I will restate my case on damdred later. | ||
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On August 02 2014 04:26 Damdred wrote: Ok bad phrasing you say I look scummy a lot of the times. name 1 fucking time | ||
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On August 02 2014 04:25 batsnacks wrote: Don't claim. Just quote that goodkarma post night 0 where he said you were the best bomb target. No one who read that post is going to think you're mafia over kush. Why would scum not list their scum partner as a bomb target? Do you think he thought his suggestions were actually going to sway you? | ||
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Why can't busing be the purpose? Two scummy people who both look scummy, it's quite normal to bus. | ||
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On August 02 2014 04:52 Damdred wrote: I've already said i'm blue and if we set up the duels in advanced its not a huge loss to the town. I'm a hero basically I can switch someone dueling with myself and save them from mislynch. I can only do this once per game and i'm put up for the duel in their place. how does this power make sense? | ||
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how is that helpful to town | ||
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On August 02 2014 05:05 justanothertownie wrote: I really think we should make both kush and damdred produce some content before we lynch one of them. k damdred goes first | ||
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On August 02 2014 04:34 Damdred wrote: I know its pregame and I probably took it the wrong way so I won't derail the thread with that. Kush this is t v t I don't mind claiming I just don't want to die before I can use my power so why woudl he be worried about dying before using such a useless power? | ||
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that is in the unlikely situation that both duelists look town and are blue. | ||
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On August 02 2014 05:41 slOosh wrote: kush, it's the same principle as Bodyguard, just instead of Night actions it protects from day duels. Why would a bodyguard ever prot someone else? There is plenty reason. Your comparison is not apt. body guard protects from scum nking a blue. but in this case it's town who decides duels so it makes no sense. | ||
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On August 02 2014 05:33 Damdred wrote: Obi and Palmar in my mind are both town. Obi is known to get emotional sometimes and what if Palmar pushed him,both of these people are capable of helping solve the game give good reads when they put the time in and I believe both to be green at least. Obi mad at Palmar challenges him to a duel three minutes out of night. This is probably the most unfavorable thing that could happen at the time for the town, I decide its better that both survive so I save Palmar or obi. The other is obvious town and I have used my power. The town is given extra time to scum hunt. This is just a hypothetical though. And the town has rushed to a couple of duels so far its not that far fetched that I could save a townie. DAMDRED WITH THE EASIEST TOWNREADS EVER NICE JOB | ||
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but damdred, why do you say if you dont want to die before you use your pr, when the situation you describe yourself using your powerrole is so unlikely that it's never going to happen? | ||
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Damdred because I thought you were town. Yes, yamato would have been a better lynch in retrosepct, but I was surer about you than I was about him. | ||
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1 his role is pointless. 2 he definitely has that role but that doesn't mean he's town. just as likely for scum to have that role as town imo. 3 he looks scummier than me | ||
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On July 30 2014 11:22 Damdred wrote: Seriously don't do this bat its a good way to get yourself killed and help town become dysfunctional. If you duel Viv at least wait till the last second so that we can get as much information as we can from the day. However viv didn't necessarily give you bad advice, just check someone who you think are lurking day one or night so that you can gather information from more active posters. So don't go crazy on viv because he didn't give you a solid name right now damdred why do you assume bat is town here? | ||
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On July 31 2014 22:52 Damdred wrote: Just read the thread and caught up i'll be here all day What in the world is this post? Before this you posted like two one liners and then say me and batty haven't added anything to the game? Its true that bat was acting a bit insane for...most of the thread but if he could settle down could end up helping town. And why give the other lurkers a chance but single me out? It makes no sense and it looks like you are just playing on a few misgivings about me and trying to build up mistrust and get me killed. Damdred, you say his choice to single you out over the lurkers makes no sense, but gk gives a reason for not wanting to bomb the lurkers. He said fuba was gonna get modkilled and the other lurkers promised more activity. Whereas with liabilities, their low activity stays constant and they remain scummy with their lack of meaningful content. So why did you ignore the reasoning he gave? | ||
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On July 31 2014 22:52 Damdred wrote: You have been pretty wishy washy up until this point and quite frankly you trying to throw it onto other people is dumb and bad play if town. In what way was GK being "wishy washy"? | ||
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On August 02 2014 04:43 Damdred wrote: listen Kush, I really think you jumped the gun here. I was upset with you yesterday because you were trying to make me look scummy for a post that was just my opinions based on someones filter and it led me to a conclusion. And you doing it made me frustrated with you and then when I asked why you said that he wasn't scummy you gave me an answer about word count analysis not even a real answer honestly. I got frustrated at you and it felt like you tunneled me Well answer my above question about where was GK being scummy. Regarding this quote, it's still unclear what your reads on me have been. Did you ever have a scumread on me? What is your read on me currently? | ||
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On August 02 2014 10:02 Damdred wrote: and you kush idk its hard for me to say not scummy with how you have tunneled me un scumread gk and then insta dueld me. and admitted should of went for yamatto for the easier lynch. oh really? I thought you thought this was tvt. On August 02 2014 04:34 Damdred wrote: Kush this is t v t I don't mind claiming I just don't want to die before I can use my power | ||
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also still waiting for you to explain how gk singling you out over other people was in any way wishy washy, | ||
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doesn't matter that damdred is blue because his power is worthless. Plus im townier. Plus I care more. Plus I scumhunt more. therefore vote damdred. | ||
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On August 02 2014 14:03 batsnacks wrote: I'm think you are both town but I'm not going to vote blue over green. HIS BLUE ROLE IS 100% WORTHLESS> HOW DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT... why does his blue role matter when it is 100% worthless and does nothing to prove that he is town aligned. Oh wait, if palmar and obi ever duel each other, and they are both useful blues (which they aren't), then he can switch one of them! Great! Except that will never happen in 100 billion millennia so yeah. | ||
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There's no way he's lying about having that power, because it can be so easily proven. The issue is that power will never be helpful to town, and he could have it as either alignment. | ||
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On August 02 2014 14:57 Damdred wrote: Of course it is helpful to town..... you are just not thinking straight kush Explain to me a likely situation where it could be useful. The example you gave will never happen. Obi and Palmar are the two biggest townreads in the game. They would never duel each other. | ||
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On August 02 2014 15:35 batsnacks wrote: Besides, you're the one who wanted to duel Damdred. Why would you do that? because i thought he was scum. because i thought he was scum. because i thought he was scum. how is that not obvious? You think only town would have a role like that? You are wrong. I have more experience playing TLmafia than you. Hosts love to make weird shitty roles that either alignment can have. They don't have to factor it into balance because the role is so shitty. It's a fine mafia role. It allows for plays, like saving mafia members and shit. | ||
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lynch me please then lynch sinani yamato and gg hopefully. | ||
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damn I wish I could vote myself. Then at least I'd have the honor of seppuku. | ||
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last game there might have been a warning about there being a potential traitor, as hosts often will do that. This game there was no warning. | ||
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Except I looked at the last game and town had a similar role, ##ceasefire which stopped the duel, so that lead me to the conclusion that it's probably a town role. | ||
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