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I need my fix of mafia | ||
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With 1 cohost the players might have to count votes for themselves. | ||
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On July 30 2014 04:54 Palmar wrote: Like you know we already have 2 different vote-counting things ready to be used. prplhz has a chrome extension that is really useful for counting votes, and I can tell my bot to actually do this game. Seems fine now that there isn't a guy with stealthy underscores in his name, in this game. Thanks for your trust into me. I see myself as a very gifted mathematician to live up to the task. | ||
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Will you have the balls to duel somebody at some point in the game or do you prefer to leave it to others? | ||
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Now I'd like to remind you that it's night, so I would be careful with forming reads and stuff before selection phase begins. | ||
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If x posts less than y pages of filter during the night, a brave contender has to duel. That way we won't end up with people afraid of posting or looking townie, but just mafia afraid or not eager to post at night, or at least mafia that gave us something before they snipe good townies or blue reads. | ||
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On July 30 2014 07:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So you want people to duel based on filter size? How does that help us? Idgi. It's simple, we force activity from everyone. | ||
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I count you in it already, ritoky is a new contender for the awesome circle, he will prove to us if he's worthy. | ||
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On July 30 2014 07:27 slOosh wrote: ##Duel: Vivax We have some discussion going and try to find the good apples in the crowd, this joke has the potential to polarize and stir chaos and somehow doesn't fit into the zen picture of a constructive town. In short words: Are you scum? Why come in swinging? | ||
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You and SlOosh seem to be the evil rebels at the moment. | ||
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Serious posts for a start and then avoid serious answers with a bullshit answer. Do you have the guts to meet me tomorrow, at noon? | ||
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Do you have the guts? | ||
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On July 30 2014 07:46 Holyflare wrote: I think you're confusing guts with being retarded. You yourself agreed with my complaint about games degrading and not being analytical but the moment i start with analysis why do you try and sidetrack that instead of just refuting what i said and in fact avoiding any real analysis with some useless "do you have the guts question"? Very bad vivax My post about SlOosh was even more analytical, and not instantly condemning as opposed to yours, which was limited to skip over my point of view to summarize it as being tryhard scum. Faced with your one-way infamy I see no choice but to force you to be prepared for a challenge against my minority, and from what I've gathered, you seem to display a great deal of cowardice, and call my courage retardedness, just like a rat would, to rationalize his failure in facing a much more worthy contender. | ||
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On July 30 2014 07:52 Holyflare wrote: It's one thing to ignore it entirely but to then continue to ask a question with only 1 logical follow-up (i cant be sure 30 mins into a game herp derp) is actually silly and not in the same spectrum of scum hunting that you would associate with someone thinking about things like you want to appear to be doing Misrepresentations of my posts will be either corrected or punished. Stubborn perseverance on a point made that apparently isn't valid enough for you to definitely categorize me as scum, but valid enough to be classified as analytical, isn't something I see as townie behaviour. I have challenged your strange confidence you expressed in me being mafia by forcing you to prepare for an eventual duel, and now you have proven my point by saying that nobody can be very confident 30 minutes in the game, yet that post of yours sounded like it was the case, given that it offered no townie explanation for my behaviour. You have backtracked in the face of danger, sir. Prepare for the consequences. | ||
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Already did. That post is easy enough to understand. I was trying to get townreads on early posters, and get a circle to write the law of this town, when you joined in completely oblivious of that noble intent, derailing the thread into an unproductive direction. | ||
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On July 30 2014 08:02 kushm4sta wrote: vivax dont you think two scummy people should duel each other, rather than 1 scummy vs 1 townie? I think the idea Obi proposed of getting one townie looking guy to duel a scummy guy is good. Mafia can cause a lot of chaos in the eventuality that two scummy people duel each other. Imagine if they both were townies. You mislynch one, and they can push the idea that people on his wagon were scummy, then maybe they mislynch the other, and so on. Besides, if mafia so wants, they can simply refuse to duel, upon which somebody has to take up the task and pick one of the two. Seems rather unrealistical. I like the idea of having one townie guy duel somebody who is scummy, it will look one sided, but it will also be one of the opportunities where either scum shows face or has to give up on their teammate, if the target was right. And after all, if somebody is confident enough, he will duel on his own. We should be careful after all to not become tunneled and emotional all too quickly, even though it's hard for me when confronted with HF's attempts to misrepresent my posts and paint me scum. | ||
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On July 30 2014 08:09 kushm4sta wrote: HF, i like the reasons why you are calling vivax scum, but I don't think those reasons apply to vivax. It scares me about your alignment because it's like you know what makes someone scummy but you are misapplying it. Set up talk is bad? I'd say it's not alignment indicative usually, but I think there is an optimal way to play this setup and if discussion can bring us towards that, it is productive and protown. So you think the point I made that SlOosh's entrance was disruptive to the purpose of finding townies and finding a general direction to work into was scummy? | ||
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On July 30 2014 08:15 Holyflare wrote: How do those 2 go together? If you like the reasons then surely that means they are accurate and not misapplied? Why do they not apply to vivax? It's pretty simple to explain actually, he thinks you're using sound reason to scumread somebody, but he doesn't think that those reasons apply to me. Further explanation doesn't seem necessary since in theory you should be more capable of understand english than me. | ||
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I'm especially interested into hearing SlOosh's and HF's opinion on this. | ||
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Do you think we're both town? | ||
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On July 30 2014 08:32 Holyflare wrote: The first sentence has already taken the edge away from the original analysis thus sidetracked it by not answering it and instead asking another question that has a more than obvious response for 30 minutes into a game. Fake duelling is so troll it's obvious and incomparable to fake claiming. Vivax posted why now and it's acceptable though so I'll just let him carry on because if he is mafia he won't be able to keep it up. I already posted the why in the very same post you attacked... this joke has the potential to polarize and stir chaos and somehow doesn't fit into the zen picture of a constructive town. Then I explained it... I picked SlOosh's post cause it interfered with my intent and was after all, a post that might or might not tell me he's scumreading me. It was one of those posts that have the potential to cause chaos while you try to get a productive discussion going, and people making those posts can say it was meant seriously or as a joke afterwards, whatever they prefer and is most comfortable for them in the moment they have to explain it. On July 30 2014 07:34 Holyflare wrote: Other joke posts/not caring posts from me and ritoky and you pick out sloosh who is doing the same thing and write a big paragraph explaining it. Reeks of too mafia try hard. When it was obvious from what I said initially that I found that joke post specifically to be scummy, since the others were fairly neutral. Instead of going and asking me why I picked out that post, you instantly try to say my play was tryhard mafia motivated, which seems to be the central point of your case, and not the point that you didn't know why I picked that post, cause that would have been solved by a simple question. | ||
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On July 30 2014 09:20 Holyflare wrote: I'm not really arguing. Your first post is fluffy for the time it was stated as people were doing similar things. Your second post is articulated why specifically sloosh's post relates to your fluffy post. Which makes sense. Hence why i said what i said. Palmar you played with ritoky in cell and he's pretty similar or do you not remember freedom joking? Yea but then why use the argument that I wrote a mafia tryhard post instead of asking me why I picked SlOosh out of all posts? By telling me I wrote a mafia tryhard post you didn't leave room for explanation, you already made a decision public with a point I couldn't argue against, cause what am I supposed to argue against when you say I'm mafia tryharding. Now you leave room for explanation, putting it as if your main point was my preference for SlOosh, when it clearly wasn't. That's cause you got wobbly knees when faced with a duel. That scenario was: V:"Are you certain I'm scum?" HF: "*insert troll answer here*" V: "Would you duel me?" (translation for: Are you this certain?) HF: "Oh look you're sidetracking, scummy scummy, no I'm not certain 30 minutes in the game obviously" As said, if your main point of interest was my interest into SlOosh, a simple question would have been the townie way of doing it. But it wasn't. And even now that you act satisfied you still have some points you shouldn't be satisfied with, given that your case ended up having more points than just your initial one. At some point I gotta stop cause I have the feeling there will never be a last word with you, though. | ||
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On July 30 2014 09:32 Holyflare wrote: Vivax it's just that i lost interest after you answered. Nothing more. I've made cases like that all the time at the start of a game. What do you mean with "cases like that". What category does your case fall into that I don't know of. | ||
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On July 30 2014 10:01 Holyflare wrote: Vivax why have you dropped everything about me and only return to make snide comments about how not to respond to me and how obvious town cav is? Lots of other stuff to talk about. Nothing has been dropped, my points still stand, I'll make em public more concisely when it matters. I wanted to make a massive post talking to you and how I'm sorry you had to roll scum AGAIN, and how you don't stand a chance in this setup, but then I deleted it and went kinda into lurk mode since, soon sleep. Don't really want to spam the thread with the back and forth that can potentially be endless if I'm correct with my read on you. Currently I went into antivirus mode and am about to put you into quarantine, will try to delete you at some point if the technical support agrees that it's the best step. Malware should not be executed over and over since it might end up causing an overflow. Wow, such leet. | ||
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On July 30 2014 08:26 slOosh wrote: Understandable. I found it ludicrous that you would accuse me of "polarizing and stirring chaos" off a duel post, especially since it was just established a couple posts back that it was night time and duels don't happen until day cycle begins. Furthermore, I don't see how what you were doing was necessarily a clear cut way of "making a town circle", because, let's face it, scum can setup spec with the best of them, so I question just how productive your discussions were that you could claim that I was being that much more unproductive. I find it disconcerting that you are throwing mud on HolyFlare in a not-straightforward manner. How scummy do you find him? Kush what do you think of this post if you compare it with the stuff I actually wrote? Regarding "ludicrous": I adressed his post as being a joke post, making clear I was aware that he couldn't duel me. Nevertheless I still explained rationally why I didn't like it. Regarding "town circle": I don't feel like I was acting like scum setup speccing, my intent was another, as stated. Regarding "mud-throwing": Didn't I explain everything I found bad about HF's way of accusing me? Wasn't I straight forward when I said I would duel him? I feel like this guy and HF have only been trying to paint all the stuff I've done in the worst light possible, so I need third party opinions. | ||
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On July 30 2014 10:42 batsnacks wrote: I haven't read the thread yet but, hypothetically speaking, if I were to cop who should I check tonight? Low activity, scummy looking guys are my preference usually. "Lynch bait". If I were cop, I'd start with somebody like you, assuming I'd find you scummy. Like I checked Damdred instead of chopin last game, cause I kinda thought that if they're active they're also easier to figure out on the long term. | ||
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On July 30 2014 11:12 batsnacks wrote: Actually, no, Vivax. You don't get to do that. I asked for advice and you gave me some random anecdote about some other game. You didn't even address my question. Are you so wrapped up in arguing with Holyflare that you can't answer a simple question directly? Someone is going to have to race me when the selection period begins if they don't want us dueling. Like, they better get there within 5 minutes. Who the hell cares, you probably aren't even the cop. Acting all pseudo-insulted about something this pointless. I got more experience at this game than you and an innate ability to bleed town so if you really want to force town to kill you go ahead. | ||
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On July 30 2014 21:16 Holyflare wrote: All these ppl checking in with 1 or 2 sentences. Goodkarma, yamato, sinani (claimed mafia too), rayn for awful list post criticising read list are probably mafia. I like this idea. Ritoky can strap himself to them for all I care. | ||
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Not so sure about Jat cause he sees scummy things where I wouldn't expect them, Obi first, now Damdred and I'd like to hear more of his reasoning since his conclusions seem so much different from mine. Could be indicative of him not knowing what to do while trying to stay active as scum since he stopped talking about setup stuff, so he kind of looks for scum in places where townies already put a checkmark in a box, I happened to do that as scum and then ended up harvesting wtfs for scumreading people everyone else is townreading. I'm just putting this out there cause I don't feel confident in scumreading jat just for this, I think it is noteworthy and am curious about the responses. Next topic, since SlOosh wondered for what reasons I scumread HF: HF is a very aggressive scum player and I was amazed at how many cases he was able to crank out in GSL I think, where he carried us to victory while smurfing. I was like "Wow how do you manage to make up so much bullshit about people". "Just gotta find the scum motives in plays". Key to reading him is following: If he only posts stuff that only takes account of scum motives, and tries to paint things in the worst light possible, and doesn't try to clear townies on the way, he's likely scum. Forget activity, forget insecurity, these are not criteria for reading him. So the reason I called him scum was precisely cause he didn't just try to figure me out, he called me mafia and said that my post must have been scum motivated, way too early in the day, later he backtracked saying that for him the point was all about me picking the SlOosh post, and suddenly he was fine. This doesn't make sense cause even then, all the points about me sidetracking, and the post looking scum tryhard, should still stand for him regardless of me picking SlOosh's post. So HF can definitely be one of the scum we're looking for. But currently I'm not willing to talk to him cause I don't want this thread to become unreadable. | ||
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On July 30 2014 22:46 justanothertownie wrote: Please tell me in detail how you are able to put a checkmark in the damdred = town box. I am listening. I already said why I don't like his posts. He doesn't seem to be saying anything of value - posting for the sake of posting. Looks like a new scum player that doesn't know what to do and how to insert himself in the thread. If that is what he does as town then we will have to wait what he does next but I don't see how you anyone could townread him for the posts he made so far. I really don't. I stand by my Obi observation btw. although he seems pretty towny lately. I am not able to put that checkmark confidently, but I'm not able to scumread him either cause I don't feel the posts he made are just there to make him look like he's talking. He posted stuff he seems to care about, and even though it can be summarized as 1. setup opinion, 2. opinion on me and HF, 3. opinion on Obi and 4. telling batsnacks to calm down, I have the feeling that those are simply the topics he's caring and interested about and not just some scum trying to look like he's active. That said I'd tentatively lean town on Damdred. | ||
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Scum don't want people to identify each other as townies and look at the pool of people remaining to find scum. So basically when somebody looks townie and wants to scumhunt, scum play will be to attack these townies, direct their attention onto another townie, and onto themselves. This is the agenda I feel HF was pursuing, also with his attack on me. While I'm busy talking to him and it ends up spamming the thread with something that over time becomes kinda uninteresting cause it's so omnipresent, I can't look at other people, and other people might end up not looking at him, and it puts me on the backfoot and forces me to talk about myself which is quite useless since I'm not in a duel and am town, yet I was forced to when faced with his bogus accusations. | ||
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Scummy: HF, Rayn. Could be scum but not confident yet: SlOosh, Jat. Could be scum but how can I tell cause he's not playing: Yamato, sinani. MM1, fuba, goodkarma Batpoop insane, don't know how to read that: Batsnacks | ||
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On July 30 2014 23:10 Holyflare wrote: What a load of nonsense. I've dropped this like 5 pages ago and you still continue to talk about it palmar was suspicious because he called me mafia and then told me to stop spamming which was a contradiction. His read post pretty quickly changed that. I never scum read obi i just wanted him to elaborate on everything he's seeing because he has a habit of not saying what he means. Why does it feel like we're playing in different games? You even just agreed with what i said and our discussion has led to people being town read. Hardly bad in any sense. HF just cause I agree with you that these people didn't do anything to deserve a townread and thus have to be faced with the threat of being blown up with ritoky, doesn't mean I should let off of you if I find you scummy. On July 30 2014 23:16 justanothertownie wrote: He wasn't even able to explain his "set up opinion" and ignored me regarding it - can you? His opinion on you and HF is like the easiest thing to give and has been given by other people before - the same goes for Obi it seems. Telling batsnacks to calm down is also obvious and not alignment indicative. I could understand a nullread on him if this fits his meta but I can't accept a townread. Why can't he do this as scum? Besides rayn complaining and answering a "dumb list" with a dumb list without any other contribution he is easily the scummiest player that really has posted so far in my opinion. I don't know Damdred's scum meta, he never rolled it, but I can tell that this game he doesn't look different from the others, and as said, it's somehow of a gut read based on the topics he chooses and how he talks about them. Don't really think I can persuade you further than this with more objective arguments, but if you find anything scummy besides "tries to post a lot in a scummy way", which is just as subjective, feel free to tell me about it. For now we will have to agree to disagree. @ HF Why I find SlOosh scummy? Part of it is in the initial post you found scummy and I explained it, I didn't like that entrance, excessively trolly in an atmosphere I tried to make more serious and constructive. Another part is in one of my posts I asked SlOosh to comment on, where SlOosh misrepresents my play in a negative light. And the slightly paranoid feeling that you came in to chainsaw defend SlOosh when I called out his post, and are buddies in silence, given that you seemed to cover each other and both ended up kinda leaving me on the backfire when the heat got up. This is the most subjective point and I don't expect many to understand it since they don't have the perspective I do of the whole exchange. | ||
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Another part is in one of my posts I asked SlOosh to comment on EBWOP: Another part is in one of my posts I asked Kush to comment on Still waiting for that btw. | ||
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On July 31 2014 00:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vivax just called 10 people "possibly scum".  Could be scum but how can I tell cause he's not playing: Yamato, sinani. MM1, fuba, goodkarma Do you have any way to exclude these guys from the scumpool or is the quoted comment just the useless remark it appears to be. | ||
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On July 31 2014 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: no but it does not mean they are scum. and there is no reason to talk about them. they will play when they will. if not we lynch them on D1. Did I say they are scum, as in scummy and did I make attempts to talk about the little they've done? How does my comment differ in any way from the statement you just made when I simply said that they could be scum but we have no way of knowing? Your indirect comment is now confirmed baseless hostility, if you wanna say that what I did was scummy have the balls to say it. | ||
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Do you think this reasoning is scummy or do you understand where I come from, regardless of whether I'm wrong or not. | ||
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Kill me tonight or I'll duel you. | ||
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On July 31 2014 01:27 slOosh wrote: Like, the reasons are invalid as applied to you or invalid in totality? Why do you ask me, you can simply read them and give your own opinion as to why rayn would call something out and then say he has the same opinion as me. | ||
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On July 31 2014 01:47 slOosh wrote: Because Vivax, I've gathered that we have very different playstyles and I'm trying to understand where you are coming from. Additionally, I'm trying to be on the same page so that when you say "non-reasons", if you are referring to a specific post, or all his posts generally etc. No I don't think rayn is "attacking" you as you put it. He merely said that you are calling, who he thinks should be null, possible scum. It's a difference in interpretation in something I think is alignment null. Oh my god, semantics city, they're just as null to me, and that's why they're possible scum. And rayn points at me saying "Oh look at how many possible scum this guy got" which can in no way be townie motivated since he has the same opinion as me regarding these guys, so he plucked me out for no reason. | ||
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On July 31 2014 01:55 ritoky wrote: tick tock motherfuckers. seeing a lot of posting, and not much scum reading; plz step it up. HF and rayn. Happy? In the end it's you who has to pick the scumreads and not others so it just looks like a lot of acting you're putting up. But it is welcome since it gives us the illusion that today there's gonna be a lynch. | ||
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On July 31 2014 02:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: You literally made a list where you call out possibly scum and lurkers who are also possibly scum. There is no reason marv should be on the "lurkers" list. None. If you make a list like you did you consider all the people and put them into categories. Which means -> everyone not on that list are town for you because there is not another category possible. And where is my mafia agenda in all of this? That list post was a spontaneous courtesy to tell the thread where I stand, if I didn't include marv for reasons that are my reasons and transparent enough for everyone to see, then you still have to tell me how what I did was scummy. All you're saying is "You didn't have good reasons to not include marv herpaderp", what you aren't saying is how specifically this is supposed to make me scum. Is marv my scumbuddy and I'm trying to keep my hands off of him? Cause that would be the closest you would have to a real reason for scumreading me for what I did or did not. When will you have the balls to call me scum and announce a duel, scumrayn? | ||
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On July 31 2014 03:12 Vivax wrote: And where is my mafia agenda in all of this? That list post was a spontaneous courtesy to tell the thread where I stand, if I didn't include marv for reasons that are my reasons and transparent enough for everyone to see, then you still have to tell me how what I did was scummy. All you're saying is "You didn't have good reasons to not include marv herpaderp", what you aren't saying is how specifically this is supposed to make me scum. Is marv my scumbuddy and I'm trying to keep my hands off of him? Cause that would be the closest you would have to a real reason for scumreading me for what I did or did not. When will you have the balls to call me scum and announce a duel, scumrayn? On July 31 2014 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: In case you haven't noticed i am calling you scum. I have no reason to push any duels until the last hours of D1. wtf is that shit Vivax? ^ my post. Rayn's answer. Only answers to the last line, bolded, regardless of a perfectly logical explanation to what I did. This tells us how much he's interested into the actual arguments as opposed to just playing the part of fake scumreading me. | ||
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On July 31 2014 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am saying you are either afraid to put marv into your "contribute or die" pile or you are scum with him. I don't see any other reason to make the list you did and not include him, because he literally has not said anything worth anything. Also can you answer JAT? He's null for the moment but did enough for me to not put him among the people not doing anything, and at least gave some opinions on the matters at hand, marv isn't the guy I feel confident reading early on anyway. This is my explanation. Judge for yourself if it's worth being accepted. And to display the hypocrisy in rain's argumentation, here's the list he used to enter the thread: On July 30 2014 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Food break. Cava supertown Vivax seems scummy Sloosh town Holyflare likely town kush might be town justanothertownie could be mafia Palmar's reads are terrible kush very likely town Sloosh is supertown Sloosh you're dumb Palmar's list is meaningless and dumb | ||
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On July 31 2014 03:20 justanothertownie wrote: Let's just assume I am too dumb to see the reasons that are transparent. Would you tell me? If anything you're too dumb to see I'm town for all the other shit I did, so I'm not going to explicate it further and just let you do your own thing. Pick a side tomorrow when I call for a rayn vs me or a HF vs me and don't bother me further. I didn't include marv cause he did more than all the other people I included as not doing anything, the reason is that simple. I've seen posts and opinions from marv, I didn't see them from the others. Period, now stop giving more importance to rayn's awful arguments than they deserve. | ||
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That is another reason for rayn being scum. | ||
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On July 31 2014 03:28 Holyflare wrote: Why is everything so cut and dry with you vivax Take the stick out of your butt. That's my townie meta. I didn't call myself the drill sergeant for no reason, it's precisely cause I'm cut and dry as town, go into detail with most stuff, try to take matters into my own hand, and am very confrontational and active. | ||
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On July 31 2014 03:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: again why am i scum? You called me scum for no reason and HF town in my list post when everyone with a genuine mindset could see that what he was doing was scummy. Kush had a reaction to our exchange I would consider to be townie, cause he was the right things. Then you cowardly said I had 10 scumreads, no point behind it except malicious discrediting, especially after it turned out you had the same opinion as me on these guys, so no townie mindset behind that comment. Then you tried to blow me not including marv into something scummy when I delivered a reasonable explanation for it, and you only explained why it was supposed to be scummy when I forced you to do it. So no real intent in proving to the thread how that actually makes me scum. Overall malicious, dishonest play and a view of the game that doesn't reflect the right mindset. | ||
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On July 31 2014 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: incorrect incorrect incorrect meh.. words that mean nothing. Also points 2-4 had not happened when you called me scum so is this another Titanic III ? ^_^ This is not how to refute a case since anyone can yell incorrect, but not everyone can prove his point with what has happened in the thread. So start hoping that everyone shares this view of yours. | ||
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On July 31 2014 04:10 justanothertownie wrote: Wasn't Titanic the game where Vivax did jackshit as scum? Totally different from this game... It's his way of grasping at straws, and the argument is nil cause I scumread him independently of the other later two points, it's not like I townread him before he did all that other shit, cause that was titanic, or so he believes. | ||
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On July 31 2014 04:01 goodkarma wrote: I'd bomb batsnacks or Damdred. Batsnack's scummy and is a clear liability if he's going to continue playing like this. He's done literally nothing useful all game. Damdred hasn't contributed much of anything, and is super-wishy washy with what reads he does give. Most of the lurkers at this point have become or promised to be more active, so I'd be inclined to give them a chance. Fuba doesn't count as he's looking like he's getting modkilled. I know it's hard since they manage to inflate the thread and blend in by making themselves not wanted to be read carefully (especially HF), but you need to give an opinion on rayn and HF. Being wishy washy is like one of those textbook arguments, any alignment can be wishy washy, it's called doubt in the case it's a townie and not wanting to be figured out in the case of a scum, and you have to prove if Damdred is being wishy washy in a scummy way, and you don't prove it just by saying it, cause other people might not share the opinion and will need you to show us the posts you mean. Batsnacks behaved quite insanely but I wanna see it pan out, and I'm not excluding yet it's some sort of mindfuck strat cause I have a hard time seeing him being serious with those posts. The day will prove what it is. | ||
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On July 31 2014 04:24 Holyflare wrote: I really really reallllyyyy don't understand how you have managed to blow this thing between me and you so incredibly out of proportion that you have to re-mention that you aren't listening to me every 5 minutes and how scummy i am but vivax really. Stfu and move on. Posts like these are why HF is scum. Instead of arguing about things that prove that people are scum or town, he only repeats how I overrated what he did and begs me to let go of him, which is even more funny/scummy cause if he thought I was scum he wouldn't feel like he had to beg me to let go of him, he would simply think that it's my agenda to push him, and push me as well, cause after all he said he scumread me. | ||
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On July 31 2014 04:30 Holyflare wrote: I think you're scummy and if you aren't scum you're being a fucking moron. I've pretty much commented on everyone whose shown up. Incredible how tunnelled you are. Oh look who's going ad hominem. The guy who complained post game about people insulting each other on TL mafia. You might have a future in politics. | ||
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On July 31 2014 04:40 slOosh wrote: I'm gonna be upfront about it here cause scum could probably figure this out. I think Vivax is traitor. That's like the only way this makes sense to me. I'm interested into hearing how you think that I'm scum but not scum enough to be scum from the start, which would lead you to put on a tinfoil hat the size of a satellite receiver. | ||
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On July 31 2014 04:42 goodkarma wrote: Being wishy-washy is something that scum does more than town. Sure town can be that way too, but in my experience it's much less likely. Yeah but even giving us this opinion of yours, what's still lacking is the answer to my request of leading us through Damdred's posts showing us how wishy washy he's supposed to be. | ||
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On July 31 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote: That unlurk timing. Heh. I think that you are unreasonably uncooperative this game. This is my perception rather than an objective statement. I know that as scum you can play a "cleaner" game. So what looks scummy without being scum? Traitor, which the previous iteration of this setup had included. It's not that far of a stretch. Could you be an uncooperative town? Perhaps. It's just ... I guess I think more highly of your town play. I'm not uncooperative, I push my reads aggressively, and they try to derail me into stupid arguments, and provoke me. I'm cooperative to everyone else, I asked normal questions to JAT before I townread him, I'm asking normal questions to GK, simply cause they won't react to my suspicion in a way that will only end up making our exchanges a pain to read, this being the reason I don't want to discuss with HF and rayn any more, but only display to the rest of the thread why they are scum, which I have done in multiple instances. | ||
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On July 31 2014 04:50 slOosh wrote: Like as an objective mafia player (someone who plays mafia), I'm gonna say that if you are indeed town and HolyFlare is indeed scum, the way that you are going about it to try to get HolyFlare lynched is ineffective and has great potential to backfire, especially in this kind of setup. I don't know how strong your tunnel is, or how strong your tunnel tendencies are, but you really need to reevaluate how you are choosing to interact with people this game. Because figuring out who mafia is is 50% of the game. Convincing everyone else is the other 50%, and right now I'm finding that you are severely lacking in the latter department. Dude, whenever I posted something that proved he was scum, he popped up and started complaining and generally tried to get things on a more emotional than rational level. The proof is on the last pages. HF:"Vivax pls stop scumreading me" Me:"This post shows why HF is scum, cause bsbsbs" HF: "You're either scum or a fucking moron" All in between rayn trying to stir the fire by siding with HF, and you. Words don't lie. So you lie by telling me to calm down and pushing tinfoil theories. I use standard arguments, he uses insults and imperatives. Period. | ||
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Nothing good can come from me arguing in the thread with my most likely three correct scumreads, who just help each other at every occasion. It looks tinfoil, but I scumread you previously, and it turned out just like you're all pushing the same agenda, so at least I predicted correctly you would only push into one direction, together, and the reason isn't hard to figure out. | ||
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On July 31 2014 05:09 justanothertownie wrote: Meh, I think that's quite the stretch. You just have to look from the start of the conversation between HF and me, what kush wrote about HF's points, rayn's entrance, and SlOosh being on the sidetracks playing support for them. It looks crazy at glance, but I'm telling you that at least HF and rayn have more than enough capabilities to be such active scum. Don't be fooled into thinking that just cause they're active means they aren't scum, and the scum must be among the inactives. What you will see is them covering each other's backs against a lone guy pushing them as scum, which is the good way of playing scum. Active scum that takes control of the thread and gets townread for their activity and not scumread for the false accusations they use to get mislynches is a one way road to a loss. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Disclaimer: HF, rayn and SlOosh, don't reply to this message unless you talk to other people cause I won't answer your questions or rebuttals. | ||
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On July 31 2014 05:20 justanothertownie wrote: I promise you that I won't townread rayn or HF just because of their postcount - I know that it doesn't work this way. Not sold on your theory though. It's okay it will look much better once I get one of them to flip. And if they're town and I'm wrong they should be among the earlier NK's. D1 is always a mess, but I hope that I will be proven correct when we have more information, and that people will remember what I said. Is there anyone in particular you want me to take a look at? Do you at least agree on ONE of the guys I'm scumreading? | ||
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On July 31 2014 02:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Your list included people who i was townreading, why wouldnt i find you scummy for trying to lynch people i think are town Who is he talking to here, Rayn, Palmar? JAT didn't make a list afaik. | ||
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On July 31 2014 05:48 justanothertownie wrote: He refers to my "scumlist" of 2 people. He townreads Damdred, doesn't scumread rayn. You say bomb them both, and you become his scumread. Initial argument was your safe play by asking for a lurkerbomb, later argument becomes that you pick people he thinks are not scum. Ok, I can see why you would scumread him off it, especially since you were his target, BUT: I want to talk to him first and see what he has to say to it before I decide for myself. | ||
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On July 31 2014 05:52 ritoky wrote: Approx 1 hr out from the decision: some general candidates: batsnacks - policy for wanting to insta-duel holyflare - don't like his morbid "i gonna die tonight" whiny post marv - policy talk of how duels should go into disappearing yamato77 - ppl i read as town say yo dis guy could be mafia for 0 effort fuba - for not posting a damn thing a couple of others are out on the fringes, and could potentially make a late surge. Say, do you have to use the ability tonight? Worst case we lose 3 townies and we don't really have much information yet, so it's quite the shot in the dark. Unless you bomb HF ofc, but I can see people, especially with roles, trying to stay under the radar N1 and that might be one of the possible explanations for some of them being so inactive, and maybe yamato is really busy, and if he isn't he will own himself by staying inactive over longer periods. | ||
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Unless scum obviously bluesniped or played avoid the medic. I hope Palmar got protection and not me. | ||
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On July 31 2014 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Last time. Next thing you know is you getting lynched if you do not answer. I don't like people who don't answer me. Come at me | ||
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On July 31 2014 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: vivax duels me or i duel him. one of us dies. period. i don't fucking give a shit anymore. You called me scummy in your first post, you called me scummy in your latest posts. Now this is now the attitude where you call for a duel cause somebody pisses you off, not cause you think he's scum, which will get you lynched. | ||
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Anyway, filter diving. | ||
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Since he's terribly wrong on me, today we discuss GK and yamato, who will probably try to put the kill into my shoes. | ||
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Sadly HF didn't have the time to explain why it was a marv kill, but maybe Palmar can. And man, that was a disappointing start. Having a VT call me out so aggressively on a point I made about SlOosh and then accusing me of sidetracking when I asked if he was confident about me being scum sure made me confident about HF, but apparently he meant it -.- | ||
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On July 31 2014 08:07 kushm4sta wrote: why is palmar confirmed town? or why is palmar saying he's confirmed town? i skimmed his filter and i cant find the reason. I kinda read him as town cause he shared my view in the HF vs me thingy, but I guess I need to evaluate more closely. | ||
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On July 31 2014 08:09 kushm4sta wrote: rayn is a good player and scum are scared of him. that kill makes perfect sense to me. No, he wanted me dead and would have created a town vs town situation. There's more behind that kill than the eyes see at first glance. | ||
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And with Palmar it's between deciding if he's genuinely amused about killing marv, which is always a great way of passing time, or mafia. | ||
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Funny what you learn after so many games of mafia. | ||
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On July 31 2014 08:42 fuba wrote: Well, this is a strange situation to enter the thread to... Who are you, did you even sign up? | ||
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On July 31 2014 08:53 slOosh wrote: Mafia motive in dueling marv? As scum, I'd think town marv is by and large one of the people you would never want to duel no? I don't understand your reasoning for scumreading Palmar. Is this a scumslip or why else would you call marv town as a basis to townreading Palmar. | ||
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I really have no idea what the hell he's doing, and don't think that the reasoning that he wouldn't have the balls to do that as mafia against a town marv is sufficient. | ||
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On August 01 2014 06:00 batsnacks wrote: It's either kush or jat. I said jat first so most likely him. Not sure if serious | ||
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Just imagine a nice crispy mistery meat burger, with a slice of yamato on top, mmm. | ||
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On August 02 2014 03:19 slOosh wrote: Actually I'm putting the duel on hold. Vivax, full claim. It's obvious you aren't vanilla. I am Vanilla. | ||
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Scum NK rayn after he scumread me, GK, yamato. It got marv instantly owned, at least I think that the kill pushed Palmar to do that. Therefore, the last scum is yamato. And since SlOosh mentioned it, last showdown game there was a traitor, so we could be dealing with 4 scum. | ||
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Then it turns out ritoky can only bomb 1 guy when I thought two and he picks the sloppy townie, not that I can fault him for it. I really should have dueled that guy, now we have to get rid of a townie it seems. | ||
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It makes perfect sense to me, he can prove it tomorrow when I duel the yammo. | ||
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##Vote Kushm4sta What fuba says is right, this is tvt, and kush sits in a hellion full of ganja smoke. | ||
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On August 02 2014 05:05 justanothertownie wrote: I really think we should make both kush and damdred produce some content before we lynch one of them. I just want to get yamato out of the way asap. There's not much content to be had with still quite a few players so I don't know how having them post their final reads will change much. We're dealing with a scum team that has been super unmotivated, so it will be simple. If there's one active left after we got rid of the inactive guys, then we have to find him with analysis. One thing at a time though and the next one is yamato. | ||
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On August 02 2014 05:15 kushm4sta wrote: @damdred why do you want to make sure yo uuse your role before you die? in what potential situation do you think you're role would be good? 2 blues dueling. 1 blue vs 1 supertown and he martyrs to save them both. | ||
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On August 03 2014 00:26 kushm4sta wrote: yet somehow lately that's all you ever talk about vivax Obviously cause SlOosh said I'm probably traitor during N1. I didn't even think of the possibility until that point. He wasn't in the last game of this kind so it's kinda weird he would imagine there being a traitor, unless he's traitor himself or read that game for some reason. | ||
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On August 03 2014 03:43 slOosh wrote: Here's a summary of this day Plain and simple, kush you tried to go hero but it doesn't look good. You then spend the whole day trying to prove Damdred is scum, mostly because you just want to live. Perhaps you are indeed a more "useful" player to keep around, but the fact is that you are the cause of this TvT snoozefest and you are being held responsible. A plynch for you, sorry. Tomorrow, we get Vivax to duel Yamato. It is entirely unnecessary that Damdred sub in Vivax's place to prove his role. I guarantee regardless of his alignment that he most certainly does have that role, so there's no point wasting it, and thinking "he has role" = "he is town" is lazy (although in this case happens to be correct) thinking. Vivax, if you are so ... if rayn and HolyFlare, arguably both decent town, found problems with your play day 1, you are quite ... you should really reconsider what your day 1 actions looked like. If we lynch more scum and game keeps going, fine go ahead and duel me. But right now what you are doing is trying to escape responsibility. You duel yamato tomorrow. Why did you bring up the traitor thingy up about me. HF and rayn just got the reaction that they had to expect when they posted. But specifically you were the first to mention it as a possibility, and your entrance was weird anyway, cause joke or not, it was something I had to pick up, and generally putting an rvs joke vote on the guy posting the most in the thread seems like a weird thing to do as a first post, unless you find it funny for some strange reason. | ||
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I just wanna talk to SlOosh cause there's this stuff that has been irking me and I'll probably ending up doing "boring" lurker lynches of people that are so inactive I can't find out properly about their alignment. Don't even know what he means with taking responsibility, then on the other hand talking bad about my D1 stuff, it's like he's constantly on the fence with me and somehow me dueling yamato is supposed to prove something to him. He didn't even comment directly on me calling out his vote iirc, just stood on the sidelines without interacting with me properly, instead he played moderator between the arguing trio even after I voiced my suspicion. Even now I post what I don't like about him and he starts talking about taking responsibility and how I sucked D1, it's like he doesn't want to adress my points at all, I just want to know why he brought the traitor up and D1 I wanted to know about his vote, cause it looked out of place to me given I was interacting with Obi, and asked for others to interact with us. | ||
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On August 03 2014 14:54 slOosh wrote: It's all in my filter. If I said it once, the answer probably won't change when you ask a second time. I'll play this game more if yamato flips and game continues, but otherwise I'm gonna set it aside for a cycle. K, guess you're town after all for this I'll set it aside thingy. Thanks for pointing it out. | ||
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Could be Palmar since for some reason he's still alive. | ||
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sinani fuba SlOosh If scum still alive then we will find out. | ||
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If I'm suspicious of him it's cause Jat died and not him. | ||
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On August 05 2014 05:46 batsnacks wrote: I hope Palmar is mafia and killed his whole team. Ye but it's kinda tinfoil and killing fuba and sinani first, then looking for the remaining active scum is a better idea. | ||
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Palmar might have killed jat to make myself and others feel less confident in their own reads and trust him even more. Something like this would never happen tbh | ||
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On August 05 2014 06:34 batsnacks wrote: Why didn't marv and yamato try though? It's probably nothing but it's bugging me. Shouldn't one of them at least made a single angry post or trolled a little? It's like everything was going according to plan the whole time for them. I think they gave up N0 when they saw their team composition. That points more to fuba or sinani but I wouldn't put it past SlOosh to keep try fighting, he has been like silently scumreading me all the time and only came out lately with it. | ||
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People really really need to look at SlOosh and Palmar, especially if Obi gets killed before them then that should raise alarm bells. SlOosh so far has always played on the safe side, didn't do stuff that could have really threatened him, if you compare it for example with what I did N0 where I got into a shitfight with two flipped townies, he stood there on the sidelines, calmly moderating. Always somehow right on his suspicion, always doing as much as necessary. First he asked me to duel yamato, then he called me scum, then he dueled yamato. You aren't looking for guys who try to piss town off, you're looking for guys who simply try their best at looking good, especially in a situation where bussing is very feasible since 3/4 of the scumteam didn't play properly. So don't get fooled into thinking that ALL scum must have played like that. You don't really want to get into LYLO with SlOosh and Palmar trust me. | ||
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On August 06 2014 17:49 Palmar wrote: First thing's first. Anyone who instaduels tomorrow gets policy lynched. So please none of that shit. If I'm a live I want to decide who duels whom. I'm not kidding, if some idiot instaduels, I am policy lynching him, I will throw the game in order to make a point, you should know I will. Also, I'm a bit mad our roles don't do jack shit. It's annoying to get 2 mafia lynched day one and another one day 3 and still have a chance of losing. That video of you being Hitler who asked to lynch annul comes to mind. | ||
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I mean, if you look at my N0 tunnel, do you think I was bullshitting or that I really believed that stuff? When I proposed Palmar could be scum, why would I be nightkilling him? Why the fuck do you think does SlOosh looks so clean in whatever he does? I didn't have the solution to the game beforehand, currently he just took advantage of popular sentiment without really taking a good look at the game. | ||
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