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On July 30 2014 08:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 08:25 Holyflare wrote:He's too cocky at the moment so we'll see. Pretty towny though. Will check world cup or w/e tomorrow. On July 30 2014 08:16 Vivax wrote:On July 30 2014 08:15 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2014 08:09 kushm4sta wrote:
HF, i like the reasons why you are calling vivax scum, but I don't think those reasons apply to vivax. It scares me about your alignment because it's like you know what makes someone scummy but you are misapplying it.
Set up talk is bad? I'd say it's not alignment indicative usually, but I think there is an optimal way to play this setup and if discussion can bring us towards that, it is productive and protown.
How do those 2 go together? If you like the reasons then surely that means they are accurate and not misapplied? Why do they not apply to vivax? It's pretty simple to explain actually, he thinks you're using sound reason to scumread somebody, but he doesn't think that those reasons to me. Further explanation doesn't seem necessary since in theory you should be more capable of understand english than me. Thanks for answering for another player. Why are you not disagreeing with this quote then seeing as apparently everything I've said is a misrepresentation and wrong but instead answering his intentions? Why does it not apply to you? Check World Cup before Day. Post what you think here. It's important.
Already did.
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On July 30 2014 08:35 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 08:33 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2014 08:31 Palmar wrote:
I am 100% sure HF is mafia, but with the caveat that he might not be. I refuse to explain this. You just got shot n1 after afking as town and it was said you normally get shot n1 too. So why post the afk? Stop posting please so the thread remains readable.
If you don't want to read a thread with actual posting of content and questioning then go away back to your shitty afk
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On July 30 2014 08:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 08:35 Palmar wrote:On July 30 2014 08:33 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2014 08:31 Palmar wrote:
I am 100% sure HF is mafia, but with the caveat that he might not be. I refuse to explain this. You just got shot n1 after afking as town and it was said you normally get shot n1 too. So why post the afk? Stop posting please so the thread remains readable. If you don't want to read a thread with actual posting of content and questioning then go away back to your shitty afk
I understand I'm sort of enabling you by responding. But if you are town, you should know that most people don't actually read 300 pages of game content. I know you do, but I also know not nearly everyone does.
When I am mafia, I want nothing more than the thread ending up at least 100 pages on day 1. It ensures town isn't actively looking into specific things, just sort of goes along with some hive-mind mentality. It is far better if townies agree to consolidate posts and only point out important things that need pointing out.
So, yes, I understand you enjoy spamming as much as you can. But I'm asking you to try not to. Spamming is far less effective than it used to be anyway, due to people actually picking up on the fact that for a while we just assumed everyone who spammed was town.
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I think Palmar is town.
Anyone disagree?
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On July 30 2014 08:35 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 08:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 30 2014 08:25 Holyflare wrote:He's too cocky at the moment so we'll see. Pretty towny though. Will check world cup or w/e tomorrow. On July 30 2014 08:16 Vivax wrote:On July 30 2014 08:15 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2014 08:09 kushm4sta wrote:
HF, i like the reasons why you are calling vivax scum, but I don't think those reasons apply to vivax. It scares me about your alignment because it's like you know what makes someone scummy but you are misapplying it.
Set up talk is bad? I'd say it's not alignment indicative usually, but I think there is an optimal way to play this setup and if discussion can bring us towards that, it is productive and protown.
How do those 2 go together? If you like the reasons then surely that means they are accurate and not misapplied? Why do they not apply to vivax? It's pretty simple to explain actually, he thinks you're using sound reason to scumread somebody, but he doesn't think that those reasons to me. Further explanation doesn't seem necessary since in theory you should be more capable of understand english than me. Thanks for answering for another player. Why are you not disagreeing with this quote then seeing as apparently everything I've said is a misrepresentation and wrong but instead answering his intentions? Why does it not apply to you? Check World Cup before Day. Post what you think here. It's important. Already did.
Uhm. Where?
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On July 30 2014 08:42 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 08:36 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2014 08:35 Palmar wrote:On July 30 2014 08:33 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2014 08:31 Palmar wrote:
I am 100% sure HF is mafia, but with the caveat that he might not be. I refuse to explain this. You just got shot n1 after afking as town and it was said you normally get shot n1 too. So why post the afk? Stop posting please so the thread remains readable. If you don't want to read a thread with actual posting of content and questioning then go away back to your shitty afk I understand I'm sort of enabling you by responding. But if you are town, you should know that most people don't actually read 300 pages of game content. I know you do, but I also know not nearly everyone does. When I am mafia, I want nothing more than the thread ending up at least 100 pages on day 1. It ensures town isn't actively looking into specific things, just sort of goes along with some hive-mind mentality. It is far better if townies agree to consolidate posts and only point out important things that need pointing out. So, yes, I understand you enjoy spamming as much as you can. But I'm asking you to try not to. Spamming is far less effective than it used to be anyway, due to people actually picking up on the fact that for a while we just assumed everyone who spammed was town.
For you to say this implies that what I'm doing in the thread currently is "not productive" which is silly and trivial and just not true. If that's the case then you aren't reading the thread and your afk attitude is far more detrimental to a game than someone 'spamming' it.
You've come here and ignored everything that's happened so far to write "afk" and then some spiel that you could have done pre-game. That's not good at all. You've also criticised my spam but the 3 posts that you've made so far are all spam and useless.
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On July 30 2014 08:08 Vivax wrote:
And after all, if somebody is confident enough, he will duel on his own. We should be careful after all to not become tunneled and emotional all too quickly, even though it's hard for me when confronted with HF's attempts to misrepresent my posts and paint me scum.
This is important. No stupid instant duels at dawn please - town should find some kind of consensus before.
On July 30 2014 08:10 kushm4sta wrote:
See I think, rather than an impulsive thing, duels should be forced by town consensus between the two scummiest people. That way the voting phase will mean something.
I think this makes quite some sense. Good idea.
On July 30 2014 08:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 08:10 kushm4sta wrote:
See I think, rather than an impulsive thing, duels should be forced by town consensus between the two scummiest people. That way the voting phase will mean something.
Also if both people are scummy, what's the difference of having them both up for lynch at the same time than having them up one at a time? What if the two scummiest don't want to duel each other? The reality of it is we should be able to pick our lynch before we even begin to duel, thereby ensuring that we get the correct lynch and that the mafia has no ability to manipulate the vote either way. Since everybody knows I am town, I can ensure that whoever I duel will get lynched; ergo, this is the most efficient way of lynching people since there's simply no room for mafia to maneuver when the gauntlet is thrown.
If they don't want to duel each other some towny guy will have to do it but this should only really be the case if both are scum unless the scummy townie has completely different reads than everyone else.
You are really overdoing it with the confidence btw. I mean it's nice and all but the more you do it the more it looks forced especially since you know that you probably won't actually be deciding the lynch.
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I don't really care if you think I'm forced or not.
What an asinine thing to say.
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What a surprise. Keep up the rambling then but I won't townread you for it.
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On July 30 2014 09:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't really care if you think I'm forced or not.
What an asinine thing to say.
Please don't downgrade it to this level this game. If you think it's a bad thing to say reason out why it's bad. If it's a scummy thing say it's scummy. Don't just throw out the randomness.
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I'm rambling? Since when?
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Okay I'm pretending HF doesn't exist and not reading anything he wrote. And no I couldn't have done it pregame, if I rolled mafia I would've let you spam as much as you want.
I think Obi, Vivax are town. I think Kush maaaay be town and maybe sloosh too. Of all the people who have said stuff there are three that are interesting to me. In all cases I feel like they're fluidly participating in the conversation. Sloosh is the most likely to be mafia if any of them are.
Marv hasn't said anything, but he often doesn't say anything this early into the game. I'm going to ignore it until he brings out something worthwhile.
ritoky is sort of participating in the conversation without actually doing so, he is the scummiest player I've noticed posting so far. He's just joking around though, so I'm not that sure.
Holyflare is trying to create something out of nothing. I guess that could be townflare, but he's overly confrontational and it's giving me bad vibes. Especially his completely ridiculous calling out of what was a very easily understandable sentence by Kushm4sta. If Kush is mafia, this is not why.
About the thingee with the Duels, we should not try to do something dumb like 2 scummy targets up for lynch. Just pick who we want to lynch and someone duels him. I believe in the end we'll have confident assholes (or assholes faking confidence) randomly duel into people when they feel like they really wanna make a point anyway, so I suppose policy is a pretty useless tool for this.
Note that all the above is just my early reads and shouldn't be read too much into. I almost wanna just randomly decide to not lynch anyone that has posted, but meh.
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On July 30 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 09:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I don't really care if you think I'm forced or not.
What an asinine thing to say. Please don't downgrade it to this level this game. If you think it's a bad thing to say reason out why it's bad. If it's a scummy thing say it's scummy. Don't just throw out the randomness.
I can't respond to an argument that doesn't exist with an argument that does.
"Forced" is such an unbelievably subjective term and turning this into a, "I don't like the way you're doing things" war is just a giant waste of time.
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On July 30 2014 08:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 08:25 kushm4sta wrote:On July 30 2014 07:57 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2014 07:54 kushm4sta wrote:On July 30 2014 07:46 Holyflare wrote:On July 30 2014 07:42 Vivax wrote:
I'm saying that you didn't give a satisfactory answer as to how sure you are about me being scum just based on my former reasoning.
Do you have the guts? I think you're confusing guts with being retarded. You yourself agreed with my complaint about games degrading and not being analytical but the moment i start with analysis why do you try and sidetrack that instead of just refuting what i said and in fact avoiding any real analysis with some useless "do you have the guts question"? Very bad vivax um ok so first vivax is too tryhard, must be scum.. now vivax is sidetracking analysis? those seem like contradictory points. Furthermore I would not describe vivax's play as either of those things. No. Selectively picking out something and making it seem like it's different and then writing a longer paragraph than needed on it = try hard. Scummy. Vivax then sidetracks MY analysis on his post to a silly question which he would know there's only one real answer to. Scummy. Then he keeps talking about dueling me tomorrow instead of discussing why something is wrong ot right or why specifically he picked sloosh out of 3 people that posted similarly. Scummy. HF case on vivax: 1. tryhard "longer paragraph" on sloosh's fake duel
it wasn't even near a paragraph. Vivax looks like he was just doing his due diligence pressuring earlygame derp. plus your statement that it was the same as ritoky is not true, because fake dueling is closer to something very harmful to town like fake claiming. ritoky just said random shit. 2. he keeps talking about dueling you tomorrow/sidetracking analysis
he mentioned dueling you only once in a very indirect way. how is he sidetracking analysis when all he did was answer your joke with another short joke.. you say : how much do you scumread me? he says : 5 much you say : do you have the guts to duel me that is sidetracking analysis?? The first sentence has already taken the edge away from the original analysis thus sidetracked it by not answering it and instead asking another question that has a more than obvious response for 30 minutes into a game. Fake duelling is so troll it's obvious and incomparable to fake claiming. Vivax posted why now and it's acceptable though so I'll just let him carry on because if he is mafia he won't be able to keep it up.
I already posted the why in the very same post you attacked...
this joke has the potential to polarize and stir chaos and somehow doesn't fit into the zen picture of a constructive town.
Then I explained it...
I picked SlOosh's post cause it interfered with my intent and was after all, a post that might or might not tell me he's scumreading me. It was one of those posts that have the potential to cause chaos while you try to get a productive discussion going, and people making those posts can say it was meant seriously or as a joke afterwards, whatever they prefer and is most comfortable for them in the moment they have to explain it.
On July 30 2014 07:34 Holyflare wrote:
Other joke posts/not caring posts from me and ritoky and you pick out sloosh who is doing the same thing and write a big paragraph explaining it. Reeks of too mafia try hard.
When it was obvious from what I said initially that I found that joke post specifically to be scummy, since the others were fairly neutral.
Instead of going and asking me why I picked out that post, you instantly try to say my play was tryhard mafia motivated, which seems to be the central point of your case, and not the point that you didn't know why I picked that post, cause that would have been solved by a simple question.
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wow I should proofread my posts. That sentence about three interesting is meant to be after the paragraph with the possible townreads, not in the middle of it.
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Those 2 explanations are nothing alike. One is full of fluff and the other explains why you specifically picked out sloosh and why.
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On July 30 2014 09:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
"Forced" is such an unbelievably subjective term and turning this into a, "I don't like the way you're doing things" war is just a giant waste of time.
Exactly. I personally think you are trying to look way more confident than you really are. That's my observation. If you can't respond to that then don't and we will both move on for now.
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Palmar, why is putting 2 scummy targets up for lynch dumb?
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Whatever I shouldn't waste time arguing with scum. This can only be solved during the day.
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On July 30 2014 09:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Palmar, why is putting 2 scummy targets up for lynch dumb?
Someone, vivax i think, already explained it in more words than I can be arsed to.
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