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 Mysterymeat and I do irl mafia together on a weekly basis. This is our first time playing together on TL mafia. Should be an interesting game | ||
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Will be busy most of the day tomorrow as well | ||
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On June 30 2014 06:48 EchelonTee wrote: Chairman, I'm curious what you think about MysteryMeat (MM)'s list. Specifically his town read on you Similar impressions as me. He didn't include Snickers, who is the most active player so far. I would personally slot Snickers under slightly scummy just because he's taking some little things a bit too serious. | ||
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On June 30 2014 11:00 Snickers wrote: I think you should be more concerned with that he kept me off his list. It seems like you were but then you got distracted. Meh look at my meta, I am the most misunderstood mafia player on tl after Bh. I do not go crazy like some people (2 people in this game want to mislead), My "seriousness" is that I am playing to keep stuff organized and clear. Someone wanted to know my read on Slam. Slam-bad town (throwing quick votes around and Some post above this one was weird) StrongNBig-bad town (Throwing quick votes around and only having one post to look at) Et-bad town (already is super confused with my posts so he hinks he is right and I am wrong) Do not get offended if you are on that list. I have a small sample size of posts. This is also why I do not read anyone as scum yet. Way too few posts and usually you need to link posts to prior posts. When you say "bad town", do you mean someone who is playing in a way that is hurtful to town, but the way they're playing would not come from a mafia? | ||
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On July 01 2014 01:37 strongandbig wrote: "srs" serious "rvs" random voting stage what I mean is that when you complain about "bad townies", how you have to "trick people into listening to you", and how specific players in this game are "bad townies", I see it as emotional complaining about town. It seems like you are grinding a particular axe, but there's no reason for that yet in this game. So yeah, it seems to me that you're trying to play like you think tl townies play, because there's no good reason for you to be upset yet. I kinda don't want to lynch Snickers. Looking at his play, I get the impression that he's an lesser experienced and overly eager town. I mean, look at his pre-game post: On June 28 2014 17:15 Snickers wrote: Walmart Is selling 70 page notebooks for 25 cents. I just bought 16 for this game (notes).Now with tax, the total came to $4.24. I expect you all to put forth similar money into this game. If you are confused use a currency converter. A mafia right now would want to grasp at some fake reasons to put scumreads onto people, or bandwagon off a town's scumreads on other towns. Snickers has said a lot but it's mostly just for painting people as bad town, and he's the one initializing the pushes onto people and there's no bandwagoning at all. As I said before, I do find it offputting that he's looking too far into small things, and you have an issue with him being overly upset, but I think these are both symptoms of a town that's too involved rather than mafia. | ||
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On July 01 2014 04:55 IAmRobik wrote: That reasoning for why snickers is town is really fucking off and seems like CR is trying to pocket snickers Well, I'm not trying to pocket anyone. The people I'm leaning town on are Snickers, SnB, and ET, and I would prefer they don't get lynched. | ||
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On July 01 2014 06:11 EchelonTee wrote: I'm not sure on snickers at the moment. My initial read on him was classic angsty town but I see what you're getting at when you say that his emotion seems forced. However, I suspect that he is trying to bait people into getting mad at him? He talked about how he is trying to "trick" people into agreeing with him. Overall I find it to be distracting, but I think it is foolish to lynch a talkative person D1 rather than a lurky person D1. At LYLO, I would rather have a chatty Snickers alive to judge a whole filter against, as opposed to someone who has just a few one-liners the whole game. I don't support a lynch of Snickers atm. I thought it was odd that Chairman Ray had no problems with MM calling him town despite Chairman at the time having very little activity. At the time, Chairman had made 4 posts, in order being: All of which is just null (esp. since it was 24h in the game). The problem I'm having thinking through this is I'm not sure if MM looks bad for randomly calling Chairman town, or if Chairman looks bad for blindly accepting it. The reason why I'm fixating on this pair is because usually if you're playing with people you know, you focus on them since you know how they usually act/talk and have history to base your reads on. I find it very odd that they are hardly interacting despite Chairman saying that this would be "interesting" playing TL mafia with him/her for the first time. It's possible they are scum together; some classic traits are here. Not much interaction between each other, some support shown for each other, but not taking firm, hardline stands. It seems a bit too obvious though; would MM just up and call his scumbuddy town, if they were scum? That seems too nooby to be scum move, but it's possible if he is new. Overall, their whole exchange just seems off; it doesn't sound like two townies with a history to me. I was leaning for MM because of his last post and his high lurkiness, but I would be ok with lynching CR as well. I didn't interact with MM1 for his gut read list simply because it was a gut read list. Some people in that list haven't even started playing yet. I know how MM1 plays, so once he does something he only does when he's mafia, I'll be sure to holler. | ||
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On July 01 2014 06:41 EchelonTee wrote: You basically just picked the most active people (minus Slam)... activity does not immediately = town who do you want to lynch? I didn't pick my 3 because they were active. I have other reasons for them and I'm not gonna make a case for them unless we're thinking about lynching them. If I had to pick people to lynch, right now it would be between poofter and sinani. They have both been cruising by because nobody's on them, and there's no excuse to be this inactive when it's a 9 player game and barely anything is happening. I also wouldn't mind lynching slam. | ||
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On July 01 2014 06:52 Snickers wrote: Well I am still at school so cannot post much. I am voting robik. He shows lack of interest in the game and is very willing to hop onto somebody that is already being voted without his own reason. He is talking about people afking but shit, he is practicality afking by posting such ambiguous stuff. Also mm is looking a lot more like bad town. Cannot quote because I am on phone. He wants to maybe lynch me because I'm a jerk. I think slam is a jerk but I am not going to vote him for only this reason. I would only vote him if I had an equal town read on Everyone which is close to impossible.Will clear up the other stuff in a few hours. Do not be offended by the good town/bad town. Good scum/bad scum thing. I like people to know what I am thinking. Saying someone is town is way to vague. Just think how differently scum and town play, so do good and bad players. A bad town could look "more scummy" than a good scum. I wouldn't vote robik for today. He claimed to be skipping day 1 and being more active later on. We can discuss him if he doesn't live up to this commitment. | ||
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On July 01 2014 08:13 strongandbig wrote: ok so there's like 9 hours left. given time zone disparities it makes sense imo to start actually trying to consolidate on a lynch now. I will lynch the following people, in order of preference: 1. Snickers 2. Chairman Ray 2. mysterymeat 3. Sinani 3. Poofter I will not lynch the other four people in this game, even at the cost of a no-lynch. Everyone should express multiple people they would be willing to consolidate on, so we can make sure we actually get a lynch today. Why do you have me as your second top lynch? Also, I don't think we should all post a list of multiple people we want to lynch. There will be town that appear commonly in a lot of people's lists, and mafia can simply push onto those people and get a mislynch. We should have enough time to figure out an ideal lynch instead of one that most people are willing to consolidate on. | ||
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On July 01 2014 08:35 EchelonTee wrote: CR, is there any reason why you dislike SnB's idea of posting multiple scum reads, but you have no qualms with MM posting all of his thoughts continuously? MM is doing the same thing, but to a more extreme degee MM1 posted all his reads just for giving his thoughts. SnB is suggesting for everyone to post people they are willing to lynch, and then to cross reference lists to determine who we can consolidate on. Is your read on me because you think there's a lack of interaction between me and MM1? Do you have any other reasons for putting me on your lynch list? | ||
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This is one of his first posts: On June 29 2014 04:12 Alakaslam wrote: Fine What I can gather is last people to vote are likely scum hoping they can hammer a townie But they may know this so there is WIFOM Think before hammer we have this luxury of time. For now, I think SNB has the right idea snickers Instead of posting why he's voting snickers, Alakaslam is pre-emptively defending his fast voting by saying that scum are more likely to vote last. A town would justify a vote after they are under pressure for it. This is very scummy to me. On June 29 2014 15:35 Alakaslam wrote: When Blazinghand coached me as scum in a newbie game, he advised me to be a jerk I was "whut" He was "srs for example: tell (dude) to give his grandmother cunnilingus for he is nothing" I was "whut" He was "do it now" I was "whut" I lost. Snickers being catty, a jerk. A snicker is a sinister, mocking chuckle. I ask that he explain his pointing out a post is weird without saying which one it was, a la SNB's pointer. Now I will read this page y'all At the time, the reason why SnB voted snickers was because Snickers said a post was weird without indicating which one. Snickers made a sarcastic remark, and Alakaslam pushed him for it with the reasoning that BH coached him saying that being a jerk is a good strategy as scum. This is a pretty far-fetched reason to scumread someone and feels very forced. | ||
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On July 01 2014 10:32 IAmRobik wrote: How can you like someone who says "I would like to vote alakslam"? Are you shitting me. What does that even mean?!?!? That's support polite, not trying to step on anyone's toes, omg, i hope people don't hate me for trying to get slam lynched right now, bullshit that's not convincing or forceful and doesn't mean shit, even when combined with a vote. Why didn't he say "i'm voting slam" or i'm going to fucking vote slam right now cause that dude is fucking scum and here's why I guess we have a different choice of words then. Do you agree with my case though? Can you support me in lynching him? | ||
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On July 01 2014 11:15 EchelonTee wrote: I also feel like your case on Alakaslam is not good. 1st you criticize Slam's early vote. Despite this being an IML setup, that doesn't change the fact that votes done very early are clearly just pressure votes, also known as the random voting stage. Basing a case off of that is ridiculous. 2nd you criticize the same vote, disregarding that Slam has long laid off from his pressure. It's just not a compelling case. My criticism of Alakaslam was not because he early voted. It was because he pre-emptively explained why his vote wasn't scummy. That in itself is scummy to me. Given that he recently unvoted on a wagon that had 3 on it, I'm going to re-evaluate my read on slam. It was a very towny thing to do. | ||
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On July 01 2014 13:50 strongandbig wrote: Guys I'm going to sleep it's 1am here Did my best to get ppl to consolidate but Sorry, you were right about getting a consolidation early All Sinani did the entire first day was a drive-by vote. ##Vote: sinani | ||
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On July 01 2014 14:34 strongandbig wrote: As for you ray there is only you voting sinani. It's not a "wagon". Swap over to meat. No lynch is not a good outcome. Right, I didn't see snickers switch earlier But I don't wanna vote MM1  We are #bros4lyfe | ||
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That means 2 mislynches, or a mislynch and vig on town, we lose Sinani has been pretty much afk this game. Doesn't make sense for him to sign up for a game, especially with 9 players, and not do anything. From day 1, I find Snickers the most suspicious. I was initially reading him as eager town just because he was trying to be very detailed and drawing conclusions from very small and meaningless things. But then he votes Robik, and this was his reasoning: On July 01 2014 06:52 Snickers wrote: Well I am still at school so cannot post much. I am voting robik. He shows lack of interest in the game and is very willing to hop onto somebody that is already being voted without his own reason. He is talking about people afking but shit, he is practicality afking by posting such ambiguous stuff. Also mm is looking a lot more like bad town. Cannot quote because I am on phone. He wants to maybe lynch me because I'm a jerk. I think slam is a jerk but I am not going to vote him for only this reason. I would only vote him if I had an equal town read on Everyone which is close to impossible.Will clear up the other stuff in a few hours. Do not be offended by the good town/bad town. Good scum/bad scum thing. I like people to know what I am thinking. Saying someone is town is way to vague. Just think how differently scum and town play, so do good and bad players. A bad town could look "more scummy" than a good scum. Firstly, his reasoning doesn't make sense and isn't consistent with this play. Robik said on many occasions that he was busy and won't really be playing the first day, and just wants to lynch anybody. That explains perfectly why Robik doesn't seem too interested in the game and is willing to hop onto votes. Snickers is super active and should be aware of this. Even if Snickers missed, he has been looking really deeply into a lot of things, but his excuse for voting Robik is extremely shallow. A while later, Robik is suddenly Snickers' town read On July 01 2014 11:41 Snickers wrote: Ok here is my list of reads so far.(sans the loathed adjective.) I think posts of reads are beneficial. Et I need to look at him again (do not want anger blurring my vision). It is very weird that he said "hopefully" i will be back and then was back six hours before the lynch. What makes it even more weird, is that he was not being pressured by votes. Iamrobik- Town- He was suggesting he was not going to post today but has posted good info. Maybe he meant relatively. Slam-Town-nothing suspicious happening. He has had the same reasoning all game. StrongNbig- Slight scum- he replied to someone "but his content is scummy" instead of trying to convince the person of his case. Sinani Top scum read, has few posts, but why is that scummy? all of them were useless except for his the last one which is also the one he tacked a vote to. Very scummy to vote with your first actual post in the game. (StrongNBig was different because it was before things got developed). ChairmanRay-scum-He did not talk about voting people until questioned by Et. Then he has 2-3 times of saying unfitting words. MysteryMeat Slight scum- He has few posts, and also is wishy washy. tehpoofter Town-He drove some conversation. Nothing suspicious. Snickers says that Robik is town because he has been posting good info. I invite you all to look through Robik's filter between Snickers' scumread on Robik and Snickers' townread. Robik made no cases within that period, and the only thing he talked about is that he's willing to lynch anybody else. That's exactly why Snickers scumread him in the first place. What "good info" is Snickers even referring to? I think Snickers is just trying to pocket Robik. Lastly, the nightkill on Robik makes sense if Snickers is mafia. The first vote that Snickers does on Robik doesn't show compelling reasons why Snickers thinks Robik is scum. I think Snickers just wants Robik dead. Later on he puts Robik as a town read and I can't find the reason why. If Snickers has already decided to nk Robik, this makes sense. I'll be okay with lynching Snickers today, but right now, I think Sinani needs to start playing. ##vote: sinani | ||
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##unvote Between poofter and snickers, I'm still leaning towards snickers. This post: On July 04 2014 01:33 Snickers wrote: Also SnB dont vote me when i afk from this game all day two since thats what I did last game and I was town. | ||
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On July 04 2014 05:42 Tehpoofter wrote: On teh subject of ET did anyone ever say if his meta is heavily looking into night kills? His post at the start makes it seem like that but if its not could be mafia trying to setup a couple MLs. If he plays like this as town would be a good way to have someone that is fairly townie to look for to guide us. I looked through ET's previous games, and I couldn't find him looking heavily into night kills. However one difference between those games and this one is that ET likes to analyze people's meta referencing previous games. He hasn't done that this game, but I don't know if he's played with any of us enough to have meta on us. Has anyone played a lot with ET before? | ||
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Snickers is mafia for the cases I have already posted on him. Strongandbig is mafia because on day 1, he played a very routine town, but since then he completely dropped off. The 4 posts that he made on day 2 show that he's here and reading the thread, but there is a complete difference in his day 1 play and day 2 play. He did not pressure anybody and he didn't make any reads. This is because everyone thought he was town on day 1. It is very scummy to stop being helpful after being given the town spotlight. I would vote SnB for this alone, but there's more. Strongandbig spent the whole first day pushing onto Snickers, and posted many cases on why Snickers is scum. Afterwards Strongandbig encourages everyone to post multiple people they want to lynch. A lot of people wanted to lynch Snickers, and a lot of people wanted to lynch MM. However, despite Strongandbig having such a strong scumread on Snickers, he then posts this: On July 01 2014 11:33 strongandbig wrote: im down with the teetrain for now playin some doto and dont really feel like trying to convince people to lynch snickers, plus i'm not sure enough on him to justify killing one of the most active people ##unvote ##vote: mysterymeat That reason for voting MM is extremely scummy. SnB calls his own reads not good enough, which sounds like he's anticipating that people will scumread him for voting MM, so he's pre-emptively defending himself. The reason why SnB wanted everyone to post many people they were willing to consolidate on was so that he can look for a way to get the lynch off Snickers. After starting the consolidation thing, SnB didn't come back until after everyone else decided to consolidate on MM. SnB is clearly not trying to lead a town play. On day 2, SnB says that poofter and Snickers are scum. He votes poofter because poofter benefited from Robik's death. SnB didn't post anything in regards to poofter's play or filter. SnB is really forcing a reason to vote poofter. SnB says he still wants to lynch Snickers, but doesn't do anything on day 2 to push snickers, or encourage anybody else to vote Snickers. Snickers is clearly getting some sort of special attention from SnB. tl;dr SnB is very helpful, everyone calls him town, then stops being helpful SnB's strongest scumread is on Snickers, but finds a way to vote MM and poofter instead. Strongandbig and Snickers are mafia together. | ||
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GJ snicks for sole victory lol | ||
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