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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oPAQLqFl.jpg) Day 2 Chromatically the Vanilla Town has been shot!! This day ends in 48 hours at 01:00 GMT (+00:00). Whoever has the most votes on them at that time gets lynched. | ||
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Chromatically
United States1700 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
I never said you were scum for bandwagoning a mislynch I said you were scum because of the way you backed the lynch. Pretty much the only substantial posts you have were against me and that is because I questioned you directly. And I don't think you have answered my question about your stance on sqrtofneg unless I missed it? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I think my primary for today will be to focus on Haru / slOosh / M_Z. I didn't read slOosh enough yesterday so I'll see where I end up on each of these players in a little bit. I'll be around thread for a bit too if anyone wants to talk. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I made some points on Haru. I still think his responses are still pretty weird. For instance, this is from his last post- On May 30 2014 07:33 HaruRH wrote: Lets rank some scumreads 1) palmar 30% scum 10% ignorance (can easily turn into scum if he is caught not being ignorant but scummy play) 60% VT 2) sqrt 20% scum ( his play is wishy washy) 80 % VT 3) mderg 20% scum ( reading off his filter makes me want to point things out, yet have nothing to point. Weird.) 80% VT The rest have either a low scumread due to their post types (slam/sloosh) or because they presented their alignment quickly (Chrom/27) “Low” Scumreads (High Scumreads = 30%?) First, look at the second paragraph of the quote above. He is stating he has a low scumread on slam, slosh, chrom, and 27ninjabunnies. The way it’s written, it seems like this means that these players have a low scumread, as opposed to the other players he’s discussed. But, if you look at the post above, his reads on Palmar/sqrt/mderg are 30% scum or 20% scum. This doesn’t feel right to me – if I thought someone was 80% town VT, I think I would consider that a townread on that player, not a scumread. I’ll also mention that to me, his reads are weird (Palmar and mderg both seem towny to me right now). @MHaru: If you understand my point here, can you clarify your reads here? You could talk about Palmar – I think his play yesterday is sort of three parts – 1) vote on bunnies, 2) pushing the jabber case, 3) interactions with M_Z. I’d appreciate your comments on his interactions with M_Z the most, if those contributed to your read, since I think M_Z should get some attention today. Could you also explain what you mean by the “post types” for Alakaslam and slOosh? Although the two interacted, I feel like they post in different ways so I’m not sure what you mean. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
On May 30 2014 06:36 Amiko wrote: @gobbledygook: (1) Fuba raised some points on you D1. Do you think his case is more likely to come from scum or mafia? (2) One argument you raised re: Fuba was that he joined the JWZ vote without stating reasons. Do you think that criticism is true for any other players? (3) If you have any thoughts on slOosh/M_Z I'd like to hear them. 1) I think he is scum. He twists my words to make me look bad. He ignores my question and attacks me instead. If he were town I think he would respond to my questions more directly and cut the misrepresentation. 2) Alakaslam flat out voted jwz without saying anything. He hasn't actually posted anything important so far as I recall so I am suspicious of him. We need to pressure him to speak more. 3) sloosh hasn't posted that much of value either. Same as Alakaslam we should ask more questions. MZ I think is town. I think his arguments make more sense than his detractors suggest and while his play may seem a bit off to some, I think he is the victim of Palmar tunnel vision and is town. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
I'm going through slOosh now. Do you think his join onto the JWZ vote also fits what we were discussing (on fuba and Alakaslam)? I know we are still just starting D2, but if you were going to pick between MHaru and SlOosh which do you think would be a better wagon? | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
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fuba
United States663 Posts
On May 30 2014 10:24 gobbledydook wrote: wtf fuba stop misquoting my words I never said you were scum for bandwagoning a mislynch I said you were scum because of the way you backed the lynch. Pretty much the only substantial posts you have were against me and that is because I questioned you directly. And I don't think you have answered my question about your stance on sqrtofneg unless I missed it? I haven't misquoted you, but that's beside the point. How did I back the lynch? And how is a person's reasoning regarding the lynch candidate insubstantial? Like, I'm aware I didn't comment on many other people. I find that irrelevant because you have all of my thoughts on the lynch. It's all incredibly straightforward. All very transparent. I'll have more to say when I get home and can look at filters. I'll get tp your question too, which I apparently missed. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
. Sorry for not being more active through the night. I think the lynch should be fuba, or mZ, ill give reads why in a minute since I just got home. Just wanted to update. Anything specific yall want me to look at?? | ||
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fuba
United States663 Posts
1) I think he is scum. He twists my words to make me look bad. He ignores my question and attacks me instead. If he were town I think he would respond to my questions more directly and cut the misrepresentation. I ignored no questions, as you haven't asked me a question. you made a demand that I do something that I've already done repeatedly. You've actually ignored my questions. Repeatedly. I've also not twisted your words. I've looked at your words in context, and explained what they meant even if you didn't explicitly say it, as I saw them at the time. That is my means of scumhunting, a thing that only townies do. I'd like an answer to my questions now. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On May 30 2014 10:38 Amiko wrote: On Haru I made some points on Haru. I still think his responses are still pretty weird. For instance, this is from his last post- “Low” Scumreads (High Scumreads = 30%?) First, look at the second paragraph of the quote above. He is stating he has a low scumread on slam, slosh, chrom, and 27ninjabunnies. The way it’s written, it seems like this means that these players have a low scumread, as opposed to the other players he’s discussed. But, if you look at the post above, his reads on Palmar/sqrt/mderg are 30% scum or 20% scum. This doesn’t feel right to me – if I thought someone was 80% town VT, I think I would consider that a townread on that player, not a scumread. I’ll also mention that to me, his reads are weird (Palmar and mderg both seem towny to me right now). @MHaru: If you understand my point here, can you clarify your reads here? You could talk about Palmar – I think his play yesterday is sort of three parts – 1) vote on bunnies, 2) pushing the jabber case, 3) interactions with M_Z. I’d appreciate your comments on his interactions with M_Z the most, if those contributed to your read, since I think M_Z should get some attention today. Could you also explain what you mean by the “post types” for Alakaslam and slOosh? Although the two interacted, I feel like they post in different ways so I’m not sure what you mean. So am I supposed to say I read everyone as town? In my case, scumreads are the top 3 highest % of scum. Since it is only day 2, it is even more weird for me to set anyone higher than 50% - almost saying that they are 50% scum is lime saying he IS scum. Too extreme for me. I think that the way someone scumread should not be a case for being scum, nor should methods feel weird because it is MY method after all. Much like how sqrt's scumreads make me squirm. Alakaslam pops in for a few exchanges before disappearing, and much of his posts are... weird. Sloosh starts off with accusations, then disappears. I would push for a MZ or palmar lynch today. However, more emphasis on palmar as it is not just me who have problems with palmar's posts. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Please give me your read on slOosh. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
On May 30 2014 11:57 27ninjabunnies wrote: Im super glad chrom was town there. . Sorry for not being more active through the night. I think the lynch should be fuba, or mZ, ill give reads why in a minute since I just got home. Just wanted to update. Anything specific yall want me to look at?? Please look at palmar. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
On May 28 2014 07:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: *sigh* I hate when people say this. Dude, always vote for who you think is scummiest. Lynching for information comes off as a scum setting up their justification for when the lynched person flips green. If you don't want him dead because you think he's scum then you shouldn't be voting for him. I'm working on another post I might have to finish tomorrow morning. But, I was rereading everyone's filter and as a nod to Palmar, this also seems in line with your concerns regarding Meapak "wanting" to townread sqrt. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On May 30 2014 12:02 Amiko wrote: @27ninjabunnies: Please give me your read on slOosh. So i made a case on jabberz, and he was like, hmm straightforward, and votes. He never once questioned it before voting, just insta votes. I feel town would atleast filterdive them and check for themselves, but he didn't give his read until after i questioned him for it. So for me, thats super scummy. On May 28 2014 03:01 slOosh wrote: How is it straightforward for you when you dismissed the whole thing as meta? This is weird, when he said it was straightforward, then questions slam on his vote. The rest of his filter is basically semi commenting on everyone else's reads, and he never offers up his own. You can see for yourself, his filter is only 2 pages. I actually wouldn't mind him being put up for a lynch today. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Two questions: On May 29 2014 11:46 Alakaslam wrote: Mderg is town. On May 29 2014 11:58 Alakaslam wrote: I will toss wise in there too. (1) What does the second post mean? I assume "wise" is a person but I don't know who. On May 28 2014 15:22 Amiko wrote: What did I agree with you about? I don't think I've really interacted with you this game besides a quick comment on your playstyle which wasn't direct. So I am confused a little by this post. (2) Could you answer this one? I'm not sure what you were referring to as far as agreeing | ||
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fuba
United States663 Posts
Now fuba, don't call the kettle black. Your vote didn't even come with any explanation whatsoever you just jumped on the bandwagon. Then when mderg questions you on your vote, you then come up with an explanation on why you changed from not lynching him to voting him. You hint at why you think he is guilty later on, without explicitly saying that *I think you are guilty because you are lying* or something like that. Why so non-committal? sqrtofneg1 has a good point here, you haven't contributed all that much to town except for making non-committal statements about jabberwockzerg. I don't think your 'lol' and then your one line answer to his accusation is anywhere near enough. This is your "case" against me. First, I didn't just "jump on the bandwagon". I was on the wagon already for the reasons I felt were clear from bunnies' filter, got off the bandwagon for reasons cited, and got back on. You imply that my vote came out of absolutely nowhere, when I'd been thinking about jabber since I first voted. Yes, my second vote didn't come with an explanation. I gave an explanation as soon as I was asked for it. A reason to find me scummy is for my reason itself to be scummy, not that I didn't immediately provide a reason along with my vote. That's done by town in every game I've ever played. On May 28 2014 01:33 fuba wrote: My position was that since it made no sense to lie as either alignment, I felt it was more likely a mistake. And I felt that this mistake was more likely to come from town rather than scum. His defense, however, is that he was actually hiding information and encouraging a possibility that he knew for a fact was incorrect. That makes it scummy. This quote explicitly states, "I think you are guilty because you are lying". I do, however, see now how you could confuse my uncertainty with the situation as someone trying to distance himself from a mislynch. I guess I wasn't really as sure as I believed myself to be, looking back. On May 29 2014 06:35 fuba wrote: Every vote wasn't on jabber. It's taken the majority of two days to get the vote to reach this point. There's been significant discussion about it, and there are legitimate reasons to consider him scum. I'd also like to point out that jabber hasn't been defending himself or offering an alternative wagon for the last 20 hours or so. This tends to be a scum reaction to a large wagon building against them, rather than a town reaction. If anyone has a specific person they'd like me to comment on, I might have time to squeeze in a filter dive before the deadline. My quick read through the thread didn't leave a whole lot of time for contemplation. I can say that no one struck me as more likely to be scum than jabber. I know a few people asked me specific questions, so I'll try to answer those in the meantime. Just gotta find 'em. This is the quote that I believed made it clear that I was staying on jabber, and wanted others to do the same. Maybe it came too late to really mean anything to the rest of you. I could see that being the case now. Anyway, I'm done defending myself because it's senseless, and I'm coming around to realizing why people would see my play as scummy. Just gonna come back tomorrow and reevaluate my read of gobble, then try to form reads on others without obsessing for hours XD | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
Mmmk. So this is the first game ive played with palmer (outside of the cell mafia game we are playing right now) I find it a bit weird he wanted to lynch me for putting XD. Even though he claimed it wasnt trolly, it seemed pretty much like he was trolling. I find it even weirder gooble called him out for it. I thought it was funny. I find scum usually question more trolly stuff to try and push mislynches, so i would look at gooble for that. Im feeling pretty town on palmer, he didnt just sheep my push on jabber, but he gave reasonings for it after, and questioned Jabber for it. I think he points out a pretty good thing on MZ here: On May 28 2014 08:45 Palmar wrote: MZ not everyone in the game is mafia. fuba and haru look bad, jwz is your most likely scumread and you could get behind a lynch on me, and now you're telling sqrtofneg1 that he might be mafia, while in the same breath explaining to him how he can get you to drop your "suspicion". Welcome to my scum tier. And here + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2014 08:51 Palmar wrote: If someone isn't following why that last MZ post raises alarms (aside from the fact he's calling everyone mafia), I'll explain. The bolded quote is very much not trying to figure out i's alignment. If MZ thinks there is any chance i is mafia, why is he trying to stop i from digging his own grave under the threat of "if you keep doing this I'll be suspicious of you!!!!". This looks like MZ wants to read i as town, while still looking like he's poking people. On May 28 2014 16:43 Palmar wrote: Which part of it do you not get? "If you leave it vague like this, it makes it seem like you're just trying to throw dirt on him without actually having to take a stand." This is basically saying "If you don't elaborate, you're acting like mafia". When in reality if MZ is town, he shouldn't care whether or not i acts like mafia, but if he is mafia. If MZ is town and thinks i is town his logical explanation should be "If you don't elaborate, you won't convince anyone". Because if MZ thinks i is town, he wouldn't care about i doing something potentially scummy for the sake of it being scummy, and rather because it is not helpful. However if MZ thinks i is mafia, why is he explaining the steps i can take to remove any suspicion MZ might have to him. It's like me saying "hey, you just made a case that is wrong, that is very mafia like. please make another case that is right so I don't have to call you mafia." It's just an absurd way of playing the game. The only reasonable conclusion is that MZ must think i is town, and thus it makes no sense for MZ to point out something i does looks like something mafia does. The reason I created in my head is that MZ knows i is town, and doesn't feel the need to call him mafia right now, but does leave the open-ended suspicion for use later. Also, i find sqrts thing on palmer weird. He goes "palmer do more work" but palmer has done a lot of work. He has given reads, questioned things, and looks like he is trying to figure out the game, I wouldn't lynch him today, but give a look at gooble and sqrt after reading this, | ||
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