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What's the point of playing if you're not going to use real grammar and make your posts intelligible? I don't even care about the content, it's like you don't care that your posts are in English. | ||
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Have to go to work Some notes to calm thy tits, thread: Townish: - chromatically Scummish: - palmar not trying on day 1 - koshi for pretty random townreads and listpost - rainbows bad reasoning for scum read on koshi. Tries to make something shitty up, indicates he's not comfortable just agreeing with good reasoning already posted - indicates selfconscious mafia. Good args: - chromatically on why sinani is scum - mz on why round is scum - koshi on why tica is scum - (sort of good) round on why ketomi is scum | ||
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On June 11 2014 13:23 batsnacks wrote: Chairman, without reading the above post, I really wish both your posts about me weren't perfectly sequential dissections of literally everything I said. Stupid Everyone is stupid | ||
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On June 11 2014 13:31 batsnacks wrote: Look I like everything you said I think it's great. I read the whole thing. You got an A+ on your homework for sure. I really, really, really hate that you commented on everything I said in the order I said it in both posts though. If you are mafia which I think you probably are, that's the only thing you should have changed to make it better. This is stupid. There's nothing wrong with an in-depth post by post analysis and the fact that newer players don't know this is just a sign of how spammy and annoying the meta has gotten . | ||
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[complain about spam, maybe if I do it more it's likely to work] Anyway, I would kill koshi right now. Don't have anything new to add, I like chromatic ally's case Also would still kill rainbows | ||
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On June 12 2014 08:53 Rainbows wrote: StrongandBig's posts thus far have been atrocious. Some summary, calls people stupid, and gives a very badly formed read on myself based on a bunch of unexplained "indications" that mean nothing. I indicate SnB is mafia. Lynch with fire. ##Unvote: Koshi ##Vote: StrongandBig lolk im here btw at least for a while while I fill my experiment with liquid helium still catching up on the thread, at page 75 atm oh what i'm currently up for lynch, ok lol | ||
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On June 12 2014 16:58 Koshi wrote: I think JaT is also somebody we should watch. ##vote JaT what is this this is terrible like five hours from lynch switching his vote to a target who is not gonna get lynched without a big push and saying we should just "watch" them come on bro | ||
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On June 12 2014 18:05 HaruRH wrote: After diving SnB, I realised the pool is so shallow theres no need to bring a snorkel. So here's why SnB makes me wanna lynch the scum out of him: soo... He thinks koshi makes good arguments, then want to lynch koshi. Then he shitposts. great case bro, my four posts aren't great btw On April 28 2014 01:38 strongandbig wrote: Anyway you're committing a fallacy here. When a player makes a post about another player, what that post says about the poster and what it says about the subject of the post are two independent questions. First, because pre flip connection theories are inherently unreliable; and second, because even if the poster is scum, his post can still be attacking either another townie or a scumbuddy, and judging the post based on the perceived alignment of the poster is therefore an exercise in wifom. What I'm saying is, even though caller did throw a nuke and looked like scum, I try to judge whether I agree with his reactions and reasoning about other players separately from whether I think those reactions and reasoning make him scum. Sometimes those conclusions feed into each other, like if someone's reasoning is bad and I can find a scum motivation for that bad reasoning. So yes, I do "quote a post of Caller saying you totally agree with him about his VE read without taking into account this guy just dropped a nuke." | ||
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On June 12 2014 19:27 marvellosity wrote: So I've removed about half the game from my lynch pool: Obiwan, Koshi, sinani, poofter, BM, gumshoe, roundabound, Palmar, batsnacks, yamato, Chromatically (pending meta check) because i think they're townish to varying degrees then there's like sandroba, foolish, Holy, slam, Exo who I don't want to lynch atm for varying reasons (more time for 1&2&3, crapshoot for 4, good chance newbie town for 5) So that leaves ritoky, rainbows, jat, MZ, Erandorr, kush, Kingofcats, CR, Haru, s&b, Tica, ketomai, Vayne I could reasonably remove Erandor, kush, Vayne as total crapshoots similar to Slam (who was on a different list simply due to quantity of posting) that leaves ritoky, rainbows, jat, MZ, kingofcats, CR, Haru, s&b, Tica, ketomai as a stab i think i'd maybe want to leave tica, jat, rainbows alone today. so ritoky, MZ, kingofcats, CR, haru, s&b, ketomai probably i should concentrate mostly in that list. sounds good except why is palmar town instead of completely null/3p which is what he looked to me as i read through | ||
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On June 13 2014 01:26 marvellosity wrote: are you just pointing out an instance of when you were town and actually committed good analysis, so as to compare to this game and its complete absence? no im saying his "you're scum because you like koshi's argument and also thought he is scummy" is stupid. for the same reasons it was stupid last time, i didnt feel like retyping them | ||
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On June 12 2014 20:43 Koshi wrote: You shouldn't remove JAT from any list. Let people vote for him. The entire conversation chain JAT talks about the fact I don't interact with the thread. Could he pick something even more obvious? This is what I mean that JAT is not taking risks in his game and his analysis is superficial. While Yamato is doing actual analysis and thinking about what is happening JAT is just saying the obvious "Koshi is not posting a lot". There is nothing more to it. In the first sentence he is even trying to make it a discussion point with yamato. One he can't possible lose. I also have a problem that he found a pretty thoughtful reason to why I am doing this as town. It bothers me. Again this is nothing. There is no thought at all. No analysis. Nothing. ↓When thread sentiment is going my way, and it is obvious I am not going to get lynched. Weird. This post looks exactly like "village" koshi to me. I would give him townpoints for this. Boom. I don't even know if I would give myself townpoints for that post btw. Not for that post alone. Still, it is silly to quote that post from poofter and give me a townread. Why that post? I don't get the motive. ↑ safe to give townread because marv already said yamato was town for defending me earlier. Also JAT can end the discussion nicely by giving yamato a townread. yay for the conversation they had! So helpful and fun. I also want to add this: This is the only time JAT kinda put himself out there. I already said before in my sinani/chrom case that it wasn't defensive at all from Robik. It was perfectly in line with the tone Robik was using early game. And now that you replied to me: With what reads do you disagree and why? Because the bolded looks like bullshit. ok i like this a lot better from koshi, actually pushing the read that he threw out. plus his reasoning makes sense, although a lot of it comes down to the two facts that jat doesn't put a lot of information or reasoning into his posts and is following thread sentiment. That can be scum, but it's not for certain. Still, i like this post. | ||
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On June 11 2014 12:03 Rainbows wrote: As I was refreshing this thread on my phone while at work, a couple things I thought were interesting. First was Yamato's post here + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 09:27 yamato77 wrote: at p. 30, three posts I want to comment on This case is not good. Sinani is not mafia for how he's played so far, and marv agreeing with Chrom about this read is suspicious. Do not like the sinani = mafia read at all. This about sums up my thoughts on Robik. Not to be taken seriously. That said, I don't like the case on him either, however I find this post to be a more reasonable and townie one than Chrom's post about sinani. tl;dr Chrom and Marv bad, sinani and robik not good lynches, Chairman townish. On June 11 2014 09:29 marvellosity wrote: you're bad because you fail at basic reading comprehension. go you. and here:+ Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 09:30 roundabound wrote: Yamato has to be scum; or a completely changed man ~moc I also noticed Koshi's post here: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote: Town, or not lynchable till D3 for myself: ObiWanShinobi: Looks fine for now. Till I found everybody town he is town. + fast vote (not quoted). + optimism about fast vote (not quoted). + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 05:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: batsnacks is the confirmed town hero for finding palmar so early. im just gonna sheep him forever. On June 11 2014 05:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: another good point. god im so confused. this game is really hard. can everyone see what im saying? im saying that im really confused because this game is confusing. shit i hope nobody notices me omg. On June 11 2014 05:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: roundabout, posting from what appears to be one of the moons of jupiter. very interesting. hows the weather up there? On June 11 2014 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: hi im poofter and i cannot english someone help Chairman Ray: Not an awkward entrance. I am cool with CR. Also a case that looks coming from town . + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 05:52 Chairman Ray wrote: Not everyone who townclaimed is town. I see them posting in my mafia QT. Stop lying guys. On June 11 2014 06:43 Chairman Ray wrote: First scumread for me: roundabound The self-aware weak player. If you are so knowledgeable that you spout what just comes to your head, why don't you just not do it this game instead of analyzing your own weaknesses? A town player will usually try to not exhibit weaknesses that they are completely aware of, and if they do make a mistake, they will try to justify it post-mistake. This feels like someone trying to create a buffer for their future posts so others will read less into scummy play. I hear this a lot of mafia players when I play live mafia. One of the main benchmarks of skill in mafia is other players not being able to trust if you are town or mafia. It becomes really obvious whether or not a newer player is town or scum, but not the better players. This is another self-aware weak player card that I feel would rarely be played by a town player. Again, he's putting the onus on others to clear him as town. He also prematurely dropped the read on banks that banks is active as town and not so much as mafia. This is something you keep in your mind and say AFTER bank shows that he's active or lurking. Saying this prematurely is an indication that round never had the intention to read into banks. TehPoofter: Town for being around joyfully. This post is unlikely comming from scumPoofter. First it is totally random, secondly he promises to spam: + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 06:03 Tehpoofter wrote: Speaking of Wolves and Villages. This Game Recently got to 28000 Posts over on 2p2 we can easily beat that number. We just need to channel are inner spamming, Think Holyflare/Steveling but with ADHD and no sleep schedule. Thats my goal this game. roundabound: Not on the lynchtable because is progressing the game. Could be more friendly while doing so though. I do not agree with some of the points he makes and I saw him completely missinterpret a post. But I do'n't think he is scum purposely shitting up the thread so he is town for now. + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 06:10 roundabound wrote: The only person pushing me is Banks. I've only seen him lurk as mafia on TL and I've seen him be active as town. If posting volume drops or if logic fails or if he doesn't clear me at some point, he might be mafia, otherwise, he's town. On June 11 2014 05:53 roundabound wrote: This is a really weird reaction from Palmar. If he claims to want to be mafia and rolls town, I think the reaction would be "fuck, I rolled town this sucks", not "fuck I got my role". Obviously he can't just say "SWEET, I GOT MAFIA," but I feel like he'd express more disappointment about rolling town after the first post. On June 11 2014 06:24 roundabound wrote: You think that sinani posting that is worse than batsnacks not being able to respond and disprove the fact that he's done jack shit? The lack of logic this game so far is baffling. On June 11 2014 06:27 roundabound wrote: Sinani asked batsnacks what batsnacks has done all game. He wasn't able to answer the question and he disappeared. Batsnacks says that he's voting me because he hates hydras. He then goes on to soft push on me by saying shit like "this post isn't about this game so it doesn't mean anything" trying to justify his stupid vote awkward corner aka might lynch will watch: Chromatically: I don't like how he entered the thread. I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard. I don't like it because I don't see it. I can see the point he makes about entering the game with a pointless question trying to blend in. But I don't like how Chrom is blowing these questions up trying to twist it into mafia mindset. Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No. The question he asked JAT wasn't what Chrom is making it out to be. It was a pretty legit question. Somebody votes for Robik --> Robik replies --> Somebody says Robik is overdefensive --> sinani doesn't agree that Robik was overdefensive. I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him. tldr: Awkward entrance + Too strong scumread. + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 05:48 Chromatically wrote: first two people posting claim scum = scum always post first therefore the first six people to post are scum gg On June 11 2014 05:50 Chromatically wrote: Oh yeah I'm also town, in case anyone was wondering. Now we just need the rest of the game to claim and we should be good. On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote: Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation. Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal. ##Vote: sinani206 TicaTica: Entrance to the thread with a soft defense, a one-liner that looks extremely hard like an attempt to get towncred from those who he defends. the intention behind the entire post screams: Hi guys, I am town because I am helping. The buddying with marv makes me uncomfortable. Rest of filter is filler. + Show Spoiler + On June 11 2014 06:49 TicaTica wrote: Nisani und sinani be known lurkers irregardless of randed roll. On June 11 2014 06:54 TicaTica wrote: Marvelocity potential is villagery. Would be benefit if hydra heads were both to talk. Plammer is inherent wolfy. On June 11 2014 07:06 TicaTica wrote: Am surprised your not pushing this thought more. -villagry points to mar velocity. ##vote: TicaTica So yeah, I like chrom for early pressure and general posting, moc / marv seem to be on the same page as I am. Yamato seems a bit off, leaning maff. Koshi evul. Randoms reads. Bill Murray seems like a douche, but not mafia douche atm. Leaning somewhat townie douche. I'm OK with a douche as long as he doesn't bleed red. Chairman seems pretty well-structured to me, post on round appeals to a lot of logical assumptions. His koshi post goes from "his post seems scummy" to "he seems town", so i'm not sure what he's trying to do there. this is a scum trait - scum are more afraid than townies are of being seen as "bandwagoning" or "sheeping" so they are more likely to make up and emphasize "their own different reasoning" for joining in on a general scum read. that's the reason I mentioned rainbows a couple of times there. | ||
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On June 13 2014 01:44 Bill Murray wrote: yeah, if this town is so stupid, you don't have to be in it maf where did i say that this town is stupid? honestly idgaf this time, if you lynch me now then i can get away with posting less in future games and i can go play a mini. i mean it's not like i'm kush just trolling and claiming jester or whatever, but there's no good reason not to lynch me this time. | ||
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On June 12 2014 21:22 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: TheKingofCats Disclaimer: this may well change (so far I looked at ritoky, MZ, kingofcats) It seems from his intro post that he has at least played mafia a bit before. And his signature suggests this too. So I'm not going to give him a pass for weird things based on newishness. He made a couple of references to "filter diving", one which is quite odd Like in the 5-10 minutes it took him to write up a post, a couple of pages of thread went by? That doesn't mean more filter diving, that just means reading the thread. It's odd. His whole rationale for voting batsnacks comes across as really superficial. Really anyone with a passing acquaintance with mafia know that scum aren't very likely to give randomly bad or jokey reasons for someone being mafia. Especially as it was like right after the game started (as batsnacks pointed out) But you do think that a mafia would genuinely try to lynch someone for using mafia nicknames as a scum tactic? Really? In what world do mafia ever do this? such filter diving wow tldr: I can't find even a glimmer of why this boy is town I don't believe the push on batsnacks and the reasons presented for it, it feels so superficial - pushing batsnacks for reasons that he can't possibly believe batsnacks is serious about, and it's his only contribution weirld stilted filter diving references and general lack of cares for the game i mean this case is okay if it comes down to finding a lurker who has one or two scummy points about them - in this case, his batsnacks case really was bad and he didn't really engage with much else until he started getting voted. still, not the best case that has been posted in the thread imo, but no one is pushing cases on people who aren't lurkers and this is the best case on a lurker so far. also there's this, his last post before he became the marv target: On June 12 2014 03:35 TheKingOfTheCats wrote: Null for now. I need to read through both his and your filters carefully before i can come to a proper conclusion. would like to hear the outcome of that. for someone who is so into filter diving, there's some filters to dive iguess | ||
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apparently he stopped pushing that though combine "i'm not going to get any lynch through solo" with "i was lying before, i don't really want to die right now" and you get "well let's reread koshi tomorrow and see if the case still makes sense" | ||
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On June 13 2014 02:09 Bill Murray wrote: Notice how SnB is completely ignoring me what do you want me to say to you? you haven't actually made arguments i mean i can give you attention if you want | ||
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On June 13 2014 02:11 Bill Murray wrote: just listen to the GROWL in these words, and how muddled they sound if that isn't mafia posting I don't know what is. Hey, I'll give you a chance. Let me ask 1 question about the game to see if you've even been reading that seems silly since i can just search the thread but okay | ||
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On June 13 2014 02:13 Bill Murray wrote: this is silly, that's stupid, everyone is stupid... that's all i'm hearing from you. ok | ||
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On June 13 2014 02:15 Bill Murray wrote: This is what I want you to respond to Also tell me when you're here i'd like to test if you're protown and reading okay that's when you lynch someone they are dead they have been killed and i'm here for a little bit? but like i said before this is a | ||
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On June 13 2014 02:16 Bill Murray wrote: ok so you respond to me being mad at you but yet again ignore where you were caught lying? yes | ||
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On June 13 2014 02:19 Bill Murray wrote: Did you or did you not say everyone is stupid in this thread? i did, you just quoted me | ||
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On June 13 2014 02:53 Bill Murray wrote: your defense on batsnacks is that he wouldnt have done anything as such as mafia in the RVS when it's random, like you're saying... no. that's what kingofthecats was attacking him for, and that's what you're attacking kingofthecats for, so, yes, it does have something to do with the rvs Good. I'm glad you're done talking to me. You're not nearly as intelligent as I had thought in previous games. Your tendency to dip into ad hom, and berate me, is both appalling and shocking. Whatever. I also felt like it is ridiculous such a weak case would bring upon so many votes. I guess people just want to lynch the new guy in comparison to StrongandBig who called all of you idiots after the game started, as opposed to before, like kingofthecats did. if we voted people who called us idiots we would always lynch marv and ace and palmar day 1 instead we make them our chiefs im just preparing for my day of rulerdom | ||
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On June 14 2014 05:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote: koshi thread manipulation. lying about his posts about thread manipulation. shitreads without any kind of logic behind them. (fun fact: koshi does this as scum. check his game in golden sun, where he townreads someone because he checked the game on the toilet. lol wtf.) choosing a vig shot on someone doing things rather than an unreadable that is most likely going to have to get lynched later on down the line to preserve the town's sanity. thats not even getting into the rest of this post, where mz is scum because "sarcasm" and a bunch of other dumb stuff that isnt alignment indicative. and trying to get a shot on mz over kush, who is guaranteed to have to die at some point during the game if he keeps up this standard of play, is...not good. i know i was making fun of holyflare for wanting kush to get lynched, but he absolutely shouldve been shot last night because having him around is useless if hes town and a free day to roam for scum later down the line. or hes just scum and town still gets a lot out of his death. not really relevant to me if he wont play. the rest of his filter sucks/is useless. will probably look at more when i have time. i want answers for all of these things. i was going to talk about MiF too, but i looked at his filter and i didnt really have much to say except mentioning his stupid lists. keep your gut reads to yourself you dingus. the only other thing i really didnt like was his complete lack of influence in the lynch, but hes pretty low-output regardless so idk. i said i would post more analysis but i dont really have any for him. so hes null. hoping the town gets something out of this analysis, at least. idk. this is a terrible case wtf is "thread manipulation" how are his shitreads any worse than anyone else's you say he does that as scum but does he not do it as town? otherwise it means nothing the vig use thing is a difference of opinion not of alignment necessarily, some people think vigshots should be used to kill lurkers others think they should be used to try and kill scum. why is the latter scum motivated. | ||
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been super frustrated at stuff breaking at work and that kind of extends into mafia. i've skimmed the last 500 or so posts but not super sure about the scum read on mif - here's the thing, it just reminds me a little much of the reasons literally everyone in the obs qt thought foolishness was scum in my last game, he is capable as town of making these shitty cases based on comparing a single game on each alignment. On June 16 2014 03:08 Chromatically wrote: I checked sandroba's games in the database and he's never been this inactive as mafia (gone for ~4 days straight). I really doubt he's purposefully lurking as part of a mafia strategy, especially since he's on track to be replaced/modkilled. This would be a 100% policy lynch. Matt/Fool has at least been here and posting, just only posting meh stuff (eg case on gumshoe with pretty misleading meta). I don't think this is purposeful inactivity either, but I like his lynch better than sandroba (inactive+not great posts as opposed to just an activity lynch). Kush was an okay policy lynch before but now that he's actually playing I don't particularly want to lynch him today. He just looks like kush being kush to me, I don't think his posting has been scummy in and of itself (and I don't really expect anything from him, as opposed to Matt/Fool). this is true ish but sandroba is much more likely to lose interest as scum than as town. Still, probably not worth it to lynch him yet, but I would lynch him tomorrow if he keeps it up (unless there's a better case). But given recent games, "posting shitty cases" seems like a weaker scumtell on foolishness than "not wanting to play" is for sandroba. also - I feel like mattchew would have no problem spamming as scum? | ||
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On June 16 2014 04:31 marvellosity wrote: that didn't answer my question although i just got to CR's vote. It doesn't look so bad after all i guess. I think the worse thing in his filter is the way he dropped his bar snacks case. Doesn't really chime well with the parts of his filter where he was making the case. | ||
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On June 17 2014 19:31 Holyflare wrote: :D:D Still don't get your snb town read Yeah but I changed my mind after rereading his filter and seeing it really was way more afk rhan in wherever that other game was | ||
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That said, I actually kind of like the way after day 1 he started interacting with the rest of the thread more. The other reads in his list post feel much more organic to me. I like his comment on sinani and on "banks" although I might not like that as much if I knew who banks was. Leaning town on him. | ||
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- chairman ray is an easy target since he keeps getting mislynched - don't like his advice post to exo, not one bit - kitomai day1 case is correct reasoning but that's not necessarily a town tell because that reasoning was so obvious, didnt require a townie point of view to see. Still, good - after absence still on Eco, srs? Don't like the exo advice giving obsession, that's like five posts out of like twenty. Not gonna call him scum for lurking since he's posted more than I have, but lean scum for the above reasons0 | ||
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- random votes round as a joke then makes it real - doesnt have to be "scum trying to justify their random vote", I could also see the random vote making him read round's filter first as town - actually it wouldn't make sense for this to be scum trying to maintain consistency and justify an early vote since he announces the random vote beforehand. Still, I think in general scum are more likely to be concerned with consistency than town, so when someone real-votes the target of their random vote it makes me suspicious. - that said I kind of like his reasoning in his real-case post on round. - his koshi long post reads townie to me. This is counterintuitive but I see confliction about your read on someone as townie not scummy, since scum are going to be self aware of the "need to not be wishy washy" and are going to fake self confidence and make sure their reads have a point - bat snacks case is null, i don't feel a lot of attachment but I can see where his read is coming from - don't like the unvote on bar snacks but reading the filter it seems less scummy than I thought it would, for the same reasons the case itself is null - reasons for voting me are fine IMO Read: town | ||
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I don't feel like he was like this when I played with him before? This is more what id expect from kush or like mrzentor Unfortunately I don't know what this means for him alignment wise because I haven't played much for a while. So filter read: failure | ||
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On June 19 2014 03:07 Chromatically wrote: I think sandroba's promising contribution and then not delivering is worse than MF's limited contribution. Assuming he votes so that he doesn't get modkilled: sandroba gets back from his absence, says specifically that he'll look at the D1 votes and put something up, but then doesn't do anything until just before deadline? But since he hasn't posted anything since then, he probably is a modkill, so I'm down with a MF lynch. ##Unvote ##Vote: mattisfoolish So suppose for the sake of argument sandroba is actually town and remembers the game an hour or two before deadline. He comes in and realizes if he doesn't vote he gets modkilled, and if he does we lynch him tomorrow. Would it be a "strategic modkill" and thus cheating if he just continues not posting and gets modkilled? | ||
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On June 19 2014 05:31 Rainbows wrote: Beginning of D3 SnB was doing a bunch of useless 'random filter reads'. That kind of makes me want to lynch him. Would you have preferred nothing? That's your other optikn | ||
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On June 19 2014 06:02 Rainbows wrote: They were so arbitrary that it didn't seem like you were doing it because you were developing your reads as town, but just trying to get reads into the thread to say you have some. I was trying to give people some thought process to read. it seemed like the best thing i could do in that amount of time. | ||
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On June 19 2014 11:25 batsnacks wrote: Because I think it would be fun. That's my motivation for everything. Lets kill bats backs tomorrow | ||
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Point: presumably Marv will die at some point before endgame because the scum team is probably not retarded. Point: it will be a lot easier to lynch the active scum if Marv is still alive to help push than if he's not Conclusion: Marv please focus on active players and figure out which are scum. Next: list of players by activity (filter length): - Marv (28) - holy (22) - round (19) - bunnies (9 in half the days) - obi (12) - alakazam (10) - bar snacks (9) - chrom (8) - rainbows (7) - tica (6) - va (4) - sinani (4) - exo (3) - cr (3) - me (3) - ketomi (3) - ritocky (2) Recent NKs: - jat (19, possible attempt to bluesnipe?) - Yamato (8) - koshi (13, blue) - poof (12) Notes: (1) holy flare is capable of 20+ page filters as scum, he has done that in the past in some of his games on the db (2) Marv has posted as much as the bottom 8 players combined Conclusions: (1) after n1, scum has not been killing inactive players. They just haven't been killing the three most active players. They have killed all of the next three most active players after the top three. (2) my analysis - scum isn't killing Marv because (a) fear of protection and (b) he's not a threat because he hasn't called most of them out yet. Of the other two, at least one is likely to be scum. (3) anyone whose only scum reads are sinani and below are lazy mofos, but anyone whose only sum reads are sinani and below AND who claim to have the game figured out and to be active players are likely scum. - conclusion: round abound is likely scum. Actually wait fuck none of the three of them have discernible scum reads on people who aren't sinani and below, at least not that are mentioned in their last several pages. This is another reason I hate the spammy reactive style, makes it impossible to figure anything out I still think at least one of holy and round has to be scum. as far as I can tell the have both gone the lazy route of scumreading and pushing only the less active players but I feel like it's more likely round is scum based on nothing but a gut read. One other thing - right now I don't think we should lynch captain ray. Like I said when I read his filter yesterday, there are some things I don't like but I am not sure he's scum. Can someone put together a case I can read that explains reasons we are voting him? I have to go to work now and don't have time to dig through the last like twelve pages for the reasons. | ||
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On June 21 2014 00:17 roundabound wrote: SnB, That may be the laziest, most convoluted scumhunting I've EVER seen. That's not even a case against anyone. That's just a terrible assumption based off of people's laziness? I don't understand how anyone can actually believe that people who are trying to solve the game are scum. Like, you're sincere in your belief that if I were to sit here and not post and not give reads, I would be town? Are you out of your fucking mind? The reason that people who haven't posted a lot are scum is because they're not giving reads. it's because they're not doing anything to try to solve the game. Yourself included! Get outta here with your shitty ass illogical bullshit. No I'm saying that you (or holy flare or both) are scum because you have no scum reads among anyone who's been posting more than sinani. You're just rolling with a dressed up form of "low post = scum" when it's been clearly proven wrong already this game. | ||
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On June 21 2014 02:39 Holyflare wrote: why bother making stuff up? I clearly made a lot of cases each night thinking i would die on people that weren't just lurkers and when half the game is classified as lurkers it's kind of hard not to total cop out especially when you just go ahead and assume the mafia nk intentions like that How am I supposed to find them you have like 23 pages There is none of that in like the last threeish pages of your filter. | ||
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On June 21 2014 02:59 marvellosity wrote: generally speaking several people have pushed the fallacious argument "several lurkers have flipped town, so pushing lurkers is shown to be bad". Not a good argument. Realistically a much higher proportion of lurkers are going to be mafia now that we cleared out a bunch of town lurkers :/ The point is that if you're assuming a connection between activity and townieness you are wrong. Anyway what about my argument that (a) there must be more active mafias, and (b) it'll be easier to get them lynched if you are still alive to herd townies | ||
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On June 21 2014 04:25 Rainbows wrote: SnB is scummy for defending these people regardless of what they flip. Derp | ||
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On June 21 2014 03:13 roundabound wrote: Other people have thrown it out there and then backed up off of it. I don't recall SnB mentioning it before, and now he is building "a case" against people because of it. In fact, this is the only contribution he's had ALL GAME. Not only that, but he is probably just trying to piggy back the concept from the people who have posted about it previously, tryna re-inseminate the idea into peoples' minds.. I'll inseminate your mind Physically With my genitals | ||
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On June 21 2014 05:50 marvellosity wrote: no role is ever worth not lynching mafia. christ on a bike. what is christ doing on the bikx | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:00 ritoky wrote: i like my red checks with a side of information, why don't you? this is dumb how does not revealing the check give anyone information the people you are checking know their own alignment you're not going to catch them in a lie the scum player's teammates also know what alignment both players you've mentioned are also i thought that when marv voted it meant that the check target was revealed, but whatever i can change my vote later if needed | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:05 ritoky wrote: could you tell me why it is such a big deal that someone basically just tjsalt ragequit? i don't think that wanting the 2 people who have opposite alignments to give reads before i give out the alignments is the worst play ever. so please explain it to me. it can never help the town player knows they are town and that you are going to say they are town the scum player knows they are scum and that you are going to say they are scum they both know that the "reads" you are trying to extract will have no effect there is no pressure here, you gain no information whatsoever. the scum player has no reason to even post now. you are just jerking town around and nothing else | ||
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On June 21 2014 06:07 ritoky wrote: i am stalling them with the hopes of getting more info so that we can lynch more subsequent mafia. because either i am going to be kept alive and roleblocked by the jailkeeper (no more checks) or die (no more check) On June 21 2014 06:07 strongandbig wrote: it can never help the town player knows they are town and that you are going to say they are town the scum player knows they are scum and that you are going to say they are scum they both know that the "reads" you are trying to extract will have no effect there is no pressure here, you gain no information whatsoever. the scum player has no reason to even post now. you are just jerking town around and nothing else | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:32 marvellosity wrote: Can I let you live? Fuck this for a decision. hes probably town though and yes we can let him live - think of it this way, he's probably not scum but if he is its that much funnier | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:42 TicaTica wrote: Thought not required. If he 's alive, we are essentially forced to kill him before mylo and no way scum does it for us. It's obviously not ideal if he's town but as long as he's alive discussion will revolve around this shit regardless of his alignment. I'd rather know his alignment now rather than later. If he's town he's horribly fucked us. If he's mafia, we potentially reduce KP. why is this true (hint: its not) if we decide he's town we can just go on with our lives | ||
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On June 21 2014 07:58 VayneAuthority wrote: it has everything to do with ate. anyone thinking logically knows that there is no other play but to lynch him. if you think otherwise then you aren't as good as I thought. no the emotional response is "he misplayed HE MUST DIE" the logical play is, you know, to try and READ HIS ALIGNMENT. | ||
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On June 21 2014 08:04 VayneAuthority wrote: the emotional response is to actually react to his "have fun lynching vt faggotz lol 420 blaze it" might as well be written in german, it has no affect on me no one is reacting to that we are trying to logically evaluate which alignment he is based on his actions (ie, the way he made his claim). | ||
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On June 21 2014 08:10 Rainbows wrote: vayne is so town rn. i dont like snb regardless of flips. maybe i dont like you very much either did you thinkof that? | ||
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On June 21 2014 08:45 Chairman Ray wrote: I also kinda like SnB a lot more. He was quite thoughtful for both his responses on why he wanted to lynch ritoky and then why he changed his mind. It's still alarming to me why he's playing like this all of a sudden. I'm going to re-evaluate my case on him. i had to wait for like an hour or two while my crappy vacuum pump went to work on my experiment | ||
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On June 23 2014 09:52 Holyflare wrote: i think snb is a good choice to lynch, on the day everyone was going to lynch between mif and sandroba he came in and said they were both not lynch worthy and he thought it was actually town mif/sandroba out of the blue with little to no reasoning pretty sure this isn't true? i said i would prefer a mif lynch and voted accordingly? | ||
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On June 23 2014 15:32 Alakaslam wrote: Very good! Now my voting has indeed been less than optimal. But if you check the timings, it was usually setting two wagons even, encouraging choice. Usually I was ill informed, so I felt this would be the best course of action with my vote. During this time town atmosphere was still good enough that I felt I could get a read, as it is now. I am duly pleased with myself. This is the scummiest thought process behind voting I can imagine. I was ready to vote you just for this but then I got to the claims... | ||
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On June 22 2014 08:05 Rainbows wrote: Lol. oh well. round is mason btw. idc anymore thats all the info i have and why he is confirmed town to me. rip round. Wait what | ||
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On June 23 2014 22:50 roundabound wrote: This blows. Just saw the nightkills results. That means they either have a vigi or 501st sgt just used his shot. Unless another town vigi wants to claim the shot on exo. Town roles we know: plammar: mason koshi: vigi Rainbows: mason Marv: role cop exo: medic Chrom: tracker That leaves 2 more. Will catch up with the thread now to see what else happened. I don't know how explicit what me and rainbows were doing in the thread was, but it's probably more likely that an experienced mafia picked up on the role swap...unless everyone says that it was blatantly obvious. Why is rainbows' claim that you are mason not on this list | ||
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On June 23 2014 23:26 roundabound wrote: Cause I'm not mason. We discussed role swapping as a possibility in our QT and on multiple occasions we discussed it in the thread. He said something along the lines of swapping minds or stepping in his shoes and "i think it's time" and then he claimed that I'm mason. Oh. So when he said you are "100% town" he meant based on his reads not on roles? | ||
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Oh right Then we have too many blue claims? Confirmed: Marv - rolecop Koshi - vig Palmer - mason Rainbows - mason Exo - medic Claimed: Chrom - tracker Sinani - tracker Alakazam - vet Known to exist but unclaimed - jailkeeper So one out of chrom, sinani, and alakazam has to be mafia? | ||
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On June 23 2014 23:33 roundabound wrote: he was softing that he could confirm me based off of the fact that we were setting up a role swap in which i claim mason and he claims VT. The only problem is that he blew his load too early and I think made it too obvious what we were doing instead of waiting for today when we were set to mass-claim. Updating: 1-plammar: mason 2-koshi: vigi 3-Rainbows: mason 4-Marv: role cop 5-exo: medic 6-Chrom: tracker 7-sinani: tracker 8-slam: vet 9-unknown: jk so 6,7, or 8 is a lie. Sinani is most likely tracker based off of the fact that chrom confirmed the visit to rainbows. so one of chrom or slam is lying....or marv was lying about being jk'd in the hopes of getting extra checks (highly unlikely). Not sure if we should lynch out of the two of them or lynch into the VTs. Yeah but that doesn't actually confirm you right? | ||
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Then for chrom to have visited rainbows, he either would have to be actual tracker, or sergeant using his KP or roleblock. The thing is, if chrome's scum why would be claim miller to the ritocky check? He would know that ritocky is fakeclaiming but why give up the green check? Answer: he would do this if ninja bunnies was also scum. He would have to do it, otherwise we lynch bunnies, get a red result, then ritocky reveals the fakeclaim and chrom doesn't even get the green check. This makes way more sense as a justification for a fakeclaim than what slam did btw. In a game with a known number of blue roles, there's literally no reason for slam to fakeclaim when he did. So we have a 50-50 chance of hitting mafia between slam and chrom, and I think there was way more scum motivation for chrom's fakeclaim than for slam's. ##vote: chromatically | ||
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On June 24 2014 00:17 roundabound wrote: 1 of the VTs will be claiming JK (i'm assuming at some point). There are 9VTs and 4 mafia within them and 1 blue. There are 3 blue claims with 1 mafia within them. I think that it is unlikely that sinani is fake, leaving slam or chrom. I don't see motivation for EITHER OF THEM to fake claim. So unless there is no JK (unlikely) or one of them is actually JK (maybe?), we are 50-50 to hit mafia here If we lynch out of VTs (i'm pretty sure that most people have me as town by this point either way), we also have a 50-50 chance to lynch scum. Not sure what our best avenue is, but I'm leaning towards lynching out of VT because mislynching a blue would be way more catastrophic. I explained the motivation to fakeclaim, like two posts above this one. We have a much better than 50-50 to hit mafia, chromatically is the only one who has a motivation to fakeclaim. | ||
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On June 23 2014 23:45 strongandbig wrote: The thing is, if chrome's scum why would be claim miller to the ritocky check? He would know that ritocky is fakeclaiming but why give up the green check? Answer: he would do this if ninja bunnies was also scum. He would have to do it, otherwise we lynch bunnies, get a red result, then ritocky reveals the fakeclaim and chrom doesn't even get the green check. This makes way more sense as a justification for a fakeclaim than what slam did btw. In a game with a known number of blue roles, there's literally no reason for slam to fakeclaim when he did. So we have a 50-50 chance of hitting mafia between slam and chrom, and I think there was way more scum motivation for chrom's fakeclaim than for slam's. ##vote: chromatically | ||
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On June 24 2014 00:17 roundabound wrote: from town to scum (out of VTs): roundabound Holyflare - VT ObiWanShinobi - VT Erandorr replaced by 27ninjabunnies - VT batsnacks - VT strongandbig - VT VayneAuthority - VT Chairman Ray - VT ritoky - VT this is, almost literally, a list ordered by postcount. I feel like this game has already shown it's not that easy. | ||
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On June 24 2014 02:34 roundabound wrote: Lol... If you believe Sinani, then chrome is worth a vote, & so is Bunnies. Ironically, if you believe Sinani -- which you do.... then Bunnies is not worth a vote. ~moc why? tracking someone doesn't clear them, kp can't be tracked | ||
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On June 24 2014 04:11 roundabound wrote: Heres the funny thing though SnB. Whether Chrome *IS* or *IS NOT* scum leads to Bunnies being scum in your world. Why hinge the vote on Chrom, and not default to Bunnies?? Given this is potentially MYLO, the play mind-boggles me. It does not matter whether Chrom is, or is not a blue. What does matter is *hitting* scum. A 50/50 on Chrom is not the smart play for town according to your logic. ~moc im missing something here. why does chrom not being scum mean bunnies is scum? | ||
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On June 25 2014 05:01 Holyflare wrote: FUCK FUCK FUCK NO if you are town you are... pretty bad at it for the amount of effort you put in | ||
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On June 25 2014 05:05 Chairman Ray wrote: Kush 100% confirmed mafia now, or else game would be over. jailkeeper might get a hero save, hosts cant end it just in case that happens | ||
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On June 25 2014 12:22 VayneAuthority wrote: very simple jailkeeper claims 9 blues we have a confirmation on chromatically visiting rainbows who was killed that night he is the fake blue. jailkeeper cannot be fake because marv is on record as town saying it happened how do you know slam is telling the truth about being vet | ||
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On June 25 2014 13:00 Alakaslam wrote: Read my filter COME AT ME BRO what is scum motive I dunno, I don't see the scum motive which is why I want to kill chromatically, but people keep telling me that the scum motivation would be to try and set up this exact situation. I dunno, I guess that's possible but I still think chromatically is more likely scum than you are. I just think it's dangerous to treat you as confirmed. And @va - the way it works is, I think chromatically is scum so I want to vote him. You saying you also want to vote him doesn't make you town. You could be lying about voting him, and be about to vote someone else with the rest of your team; or I could be wrong and chromatically could be town. Both of those are still possible. | ||
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On June 25 2014 23:07 roundabound wrote: I read Slam posts, but see NOTHING He epitomises the shitness of this game. Just kill me already please. I am the JK, I kept stacking marv and stopped cos he asked me too. Kill me. ~moc Ugh fuck man If this is true you just made it twice as hard to get a save because you only have one correct target, since scum will also be shooting you presumably. If this is a lie then the real jk should still not claim! Mocsta could either be scum trying to bait out the real claim or he could be town trying to bait a shot. A counterclaim doesn't tell us which of these is correct. | ||
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On June 26 2014 05:34 27ninjabunnies wrote: Exactly. Whether I am mafia or not, SNB is mafia. I just dont see a world where SNB isnt mafia, unless someone else can point it out So what we do know. KOTC and Kush mafia. MEaning 4 are left. pointing it out. me. im not mafia | ||
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On June 26 2014 11:22 Chairman Ray wrote: Rite, he can't be since he visited. If Chrom is mafia vig/janitor, it doesn't make sense for him to fakeclaim. He knows that ritoky is fake cop if ritoky gave him a green check. If 27nb is mafia, then the optimal play would be to wait for the real cop to counterclaim, lynch ritoky that day, kill the cop, resulting in a ML and cop kill at no expense. If 27nb is town, then the optimal play would be to take the free green check, either let town mislynch 27nb if cop doesn't come out, or let town mislynch ritoky if cop does come out. Ritoky fakeclaiming was the greatest gift to mafia, and Chrom just threw it away. Doesn't make any sense to me. ##Vote: Alakaslam why would a real cop counterclaim there can be multiple cops, or none if chrom and 27nb are both scum, then they know that ritocky is fakeclaiming and assume he will reveal that after 27nb gets lynched; but chrom claiming miller there is the only way that they save 27nb | ||
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On June 26 2014 22:02 sinani206 wrote: fucking this slam you're not proving anything right now No look how many items do I have to explain this (oh wait infinity cause holy is scum) Chrom and 27nb are both scum. They see ritoky's fake claim. They know it's fake, because he put a green check on chrom. But they also see that 27nb is going to get lynched. Chrom's claim of miller forces ritocky to reveal that he was fakeclaiming and saves 27nb. The alternative was to let 27nb get lynched and have chrom try and ride the green check, which they knew was fake and would get written off as soon as ritocky revealed his fakeclaim. Claiming miller was the only logical response. | ||
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I just think that chrom is more likely scum than slam Think about this - what's the likelyhood of having two trackers when they could only possibly track two out of six scum? The likelyhood of having two millers and zero alignment cops? Also think about this - what are the odds chrom just coincidentally happens to get tracked to an nk target on the night when we know scum used a pr to do a nightkill? Like, he was tracked to a nightkill! That is a way better reason to just straight up lynch someone than "because he fakeclaimed", which you people thought was sufficient to lynch ritocky for. This is the tracker equivalent of a red check but you guys want to lynch slam? | ||
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On June 28 2014 04:52 27ninjabunnies wrote: Eh. I refuse your logic. You see where my vote is. Doesn't matter Who's down for a last minute switch ##unvote ##vote:27ninjabunnies | ||
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On June 25 2014 13:02 Alakaslam wrote: Va Are we frog and toad this game U r prophet? | ||
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On June 16 2014 07:05 Alakaslam wrote: Some Korean pro streams as "ssonlight" I was laughing quite hard So now when I say "son" I SSON SUP SSON | ||
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On June 28 2014 06:08 justanothertownie wrote: Chill slam. It wouldn't have mattered anyways. Town would never have lynched all 4 of them at this point. The haru lynch was awful, there were too many townies that just flat out refused to play the game and on top of all this we have ritoky handing mafia the game. There wasn't a chance for town to recover from all this. Ritoly didn't hand mafia the game there were townies who figured out that he was town Anyone who didnt wasn't trying And if you're talking about "refusing to play the game" it's the fault of the spammers who make the game way too difficult to keep up with | ||
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On June 28 2014 06:18 justanothertownie wrote: And you really think this justifies sandros/MIFs play? Or gumshoes? Seriously dude, if the spam is too much for you don't join the game. Join minis or games with post restrictions. Not sandro's But spamming and then callin people who can't keep up "lurkers" and lynching them hurt town this game and I want people to see that | ||
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On June 28 2014 06:42 justanothertownie wrote: So what do you propose? Never touch lurkers? Just let them do their thing until it is lylo? If you can't keep up don't play the game and don't complain if you get lynched for not playing. not to use them as an excuse not to try and analyze other players in the game. plenty of people just went "oh round and holy must be town because they're posting a lot" and to actually try and distinguish between which of them is town and which is scum. but mostly, it's not alignment indicative and if you want to win as town you have to find something else to do than spam away and lynch people who don't follow along | ||
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