TL 'Order' LXVI Mafia

On June 04 2014 02:44 Koshi wrote:
it's dp.

On June 04 2014 11:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Are you saying you want to /out? Currently you're on the list at 26.

On June 07 2014 06:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
My prom date cancelled an hour before the event.

I'm still going, but I want to fucking die. 3 months of preparation, 7 girls asked to prom (never actually got a flat-out no. The first four found dates maybe 1-2 days before I did, the last three had to cancel), and all goes to shit for problems that take too long to explain. It's not her fault, though.

On June 07 2014 13:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I ended up grinding on 20 dudes and about 5 girls, eating twice the food (because they still prepared all the stuff for her), and finding a new "date" in a guy whose girlfriend moved to Texas.

So, all in all it was still depressing (I mean, 3 months of effort wasted is kind of a big deal, and also it's a bitch to be surrounded by couples when a chain of events like that has just happened to you) but it was fun at the same time.

Ah well. Prom weekend will be much more fun.

@ninjabunnies I feel you. That hasn't happened to me personally but one guy I knew got his window chipped by some dude who turned out to be a drug dealer, none of his clients who saw it happen wanted to rat him out. He won out in the end though. Like a month later when everything was revealed.

Get them to break up and maybe she'll snitch! :D

On June 11 2014 06:22 Chromatically wrote:
Sinani is mafia for coming into the thread and asking a totally useless question to try to insert himself into the conversation.


Also this sounds like some sort of secret scum code so that pretty much seals the deal.


##Vote: sinani206

On June 11 2014 07:04 marvellosity wrote:

well i'd expect a mafia-sinani not to bother. that's like a teensy lean though.

On June 11 2014 07:09 marvellosity wrote:

sorry, why is it villagery that i'm not pushing the thought more, dear?

On June 11 2014 07:23 Chromatically wrote:
Tica, let's talk. What's your read on sinani?

On June 11 2014 07:20 VayneAuthority wrote:
alrighty well the thread is already too long so I just skipped it, I assume its mostly early game spam. I'll start reading from this point on.

On June 11 2014 07:14 marvellosity wrote:

I see. Well, I say I see, but I don't see. I guess I'll just leave you to it.

On June 11 2014 07:33 Tehpoofter wrote:


Reading he is not.

On June 11 2014 07:48 Tehpoofter wrote:


Don't be lazy Palmer your day 1 is suppose to be your best. Laziness is a bullshit play. I hear tails of your heroic day 1 efforts but have honestly never seen it with my own 2 eyez.

(If wolf enjoy your game, and know that you're just confirming geripts Dota read)

On June 11 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote:
Town, or not lynchable till D3 for myself:
ObiWanShinobi:
Looks fine for now. Till I found everybody town he is town. + fast vote (not quoted). + optimism about fast vote (not quoted).
+ Show Spoiler +

Chairman Ray:
Not an awkward entrance. I am cool with CR. Also a case that looks coming from town .
+ Show Spoiler +

TehPoofter:
Town for being around joyfully. This post is unlikely comming from scumPoofter. First it is totally random, secondly he promises to spam:
+ Show Spoiler +

roundabound:
Not on the lynchtable because is progressing the game. Could be more friendly while doing so though. I do not agree with some of the points he makes and I saw him completely missinterpret a post. But I do'n't think he is scum purposely shitting up the thread so he is town for now.
+ Show Spoiler +


awkward corner aka might lynch will watch:
Chromatically:
I don't like how he entered the thread. I don't like how he pushing sinani so hard. I don't like it because I don't see it. I can see the point he makes about entering the game with a pointless question trying to blend in. But I don't like how Chrom is blowing these questions up trying to twist it into mafia mindset. Did sinani enter the thread with a question? yes. Did it show mafia mindset. No. The question he asked JAT wasn't what Chrom is making it out to be. It was a pretty legit question. Somebody votes for Robik --> Robik replies --> Somebody says Robik is overdefensive --> sinani doesn't agree that Robik was overdefensive. I have now read Sinani his filter three times. I am puzzled by his filter. I do not see how Chrom can have such a strong scumread on Sinani that he is asking everybody to sheep him.

tldr: Awkward entrance + Too strong scumread.
+ Show Spoiler +

TicaTica:
Entrance to the thread with a soft defense, a one-liner that looks extremely hard like an attempt to get towncred from those who he defends. the intention behind the entire post screams: Hi guys, I am town because I am helping. The buddying with marv makes me uncomfortable. Rest of filter is filler.
+ Show Spoiler +

##vote: TicaTica

On June 11 2014 08:15 sandroba wrote:
hi =)

On June 11 2014 08:21 marvellosity wrote:
are you talking to me Tica?

On June 11 2014 08:39 sandroba wrote:

Koshi and exo are a good start, that's all. More info towards determining their alignment will come eventually I'm sure.

On June 11 2014 09:08 roundabound wrote:
Caught up.

To add to the current discussion: I have nothing new to raise.

~moc

On June 11 2014 09:40 yamato77 wrote:

scumpile


scumpile


townpile


meeeeeeeeeeeeeh

On June 11 2014 09:53 Bill Murray wrote:
Before I go, though, I have 2 townreads thusfar, 1 maf read, 1 d read, and 2 nd leans

On June 11 2014 09:55 ExO_ wrote:
what's a d/nd lean?

On June 11 2014 09:58 kushm4sta wrote:
how does nd = dick, tica?

On June 11 2014 10:19 yamato77 wrote:

Your case on sinani is not good. You got them wolf eyes.

On June 11 2014 10:39 Bill Murray wrote:
That's ME as mafia haha

On June 11 2014 12:23 Rainbows wrote:


I agree that the nulls were probably not even needed to be mentioned. The scum reads we OK, I don't agree with them all. Kind of sparse but it's the early game. I saw the post initially and it didn't strike me as super odd at the time.

What do you mean his mindset is unique? He's saying he saw a pattern in tehpoofter and he's looking likes he is helping. It's not a terrible analysis, just not fantastic.

On June 11 2014 12:36 roundabound wrote:
Should we be familiar with you?

On June 12 2014 01:54 Koshi wrote:

Look at your filter.

On June 12 2014 02:10 Koshi wrote:

There is no reason in your filter to drop anything. I voted MZ because he deserved it. I don't even know why you think I dropped it. It didn't mention you anymore. Therefore, the read is the same. Do I have to post in each post that my read on you stays the same or something? There is no reason you are town.

Explain to me why batsnacks is scum. He posted 4 red names and 3 FoS in a 5 scum game. Most scum stick to 1 scumread. Maybe 2. I rarely see scum fake 7 scumreads with almost no reasoning.

On June 11 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote:
Okay I'm caught up here's my notes so far:


Sinani - Scum. He treads too lightly and unsuccessfully tries to dodge the spotlight. He tries to direct the spotlight away from himself.

Chairman Ray - Too impressive a performance to be town. Leaning heavily toward mafia.

tehpoofer - Scum. My notes say "gave a lame apology." Voted roundabout for bad reasons, then unvoted roundabout for equally bad reasons. Voted for Koshi and switched soon after without pressuring Koshi at all. Soft defended sinani early on, then voted him for bad reasons, then unvoted him for bad reasons. Noticing a pattern. Tries to look like he's "helping" by pointing out when the thread started for kush. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what a hydra is. Tries to look like he's "helping" by explaining what OMGUS means. Paraphrases other people's posts for them.

roundabout - Will probably be my vote for the rest of day 1. Looked way too nervous when I went after him early. Plus I hate hydras.

vayne - Skipped early game. Skipped more because "migraine." FOS

sandroba - Gets town cred for calling out Koshi first.

exo - "I'm new guys please take it easy on me." FOS

Bill Murray - My notes say "he liked exo's early posts." All of exo's early posts were questions about terminology that he could have easily googled. FOS

TicaTica - Expert troll? Null read.

On June 12 2014 02:51 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:

There's terrible and there's terrible and i don't see honest townie idiocy in Bat's read of Round.

On June 12 2014 02:56 Alakaslam wrote:

Tica Tica du Costa Rica what u doin?

On June 12 2014 03:04 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:

He says that using nicknames is a scum tactic to confuse people, something that doesn't make any sense. And then he says that Round is scum because he called someone by their nickname, ignoring the fact that even if the nickname thing is a scum tactic it doesn't automatically make him scum for addressing someone by their nickname. It's wrong on too many levels, at least in my mind.

On June 12 2014 05:40 Koshi wrote:
Those other 2 names in your post, Rainbows and TicaTica, those are the people that are interesting.

On June 12 2014 08:17 yamato77 wrote:
I really just cba to read this thread very closely.

On June 11 2014 13:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
nah, i like it. its pretty towny.

doesnt make it any more right but i think youre town.

On June 11 2014 13:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
im gonna be honest and say i didnt read any of that shit.

its probably wrong though.

On June 12 2014 12:33 ketomai wrote:


I'm here and I realize you're just pressuring me to respond, but reading 50 straight pages of mostly spam is honestly exhausting (and impossible for me after a long day at work). I gave up in the middle and just took a cursory glance through filters and whatnot for current top votes. I also took a look at a few other people that showed up near the beginning of the thread. I'll try to keep up with the thread from now on. Hopefully there's less spam in the future because missing 1 day so far seems to be catastrophic.

Top votes:

Koshi: Leaning slightly towards mafia. Biggest flag is his lack of cooperation with town as noted by others. He doesn't really argue, he just tries to pass off his viewpoints on the grounds that it should be obvious. I'm willing to wait on how he responds now that he's under pressure now and after he's promised to be more cooperative, however. He hasn't really contributed much other than defending himself. Also, I disagree with pretty much everything he says, but that doesn't really make him more or less mafia.

Exo: Leaning slightly towards town. He doesn't spam up the thread and has only posted the few times he's confident in his opinion. However, his last post that also contained his vote jumped to a conclusion really fast without much evidence. The way he said it leaves room for change, like my own vote, so I'm also not too suspicious of that. It feels more like he honestly doesn't know who to vote for because there's so much spam/finger pointing as a newer player.

Roundabout: No read. When he was attacking me earlier I thought he was doing that to everyone to create some chaos, but after looking through the filters he hasn't really done much past the early game. The point about him not contributing much is true, but not enough grounds to seem mafia yet; the game is early. The jump on me was a bit strange since I, personally, felt it was useless garbage spamming up the thread, but I'll ignore that. I would like to see him post more now that the "heat" is off of him.

strongandbig: Seems a little bit like mafia. Would be the easy pick to vote but I'd love to see him defend himself first because like my suspicions for every one else after 1 day, I'm not sure. If anything, a lynch wouldn't be so bad just because he's not productive/working w/ the town.

ritoky: Currently seems like mafia to me. He's on consistently throughout the day (his posts are very spread out), yet he doesn't really seem to contribute or address the game at all. He's just tunnel visioning Chromatically with nearly all his posts (who I personally have tagged as slightly town, so I naturally disagree with most of what he's saying).

Chairman Ray: slightly town. So far everything he posts is pretty logical. I disagree a bit with his leaps on roundabout, but he's defended himself and arguments pretty well, so I like that. He brings up his own arguments to add to town discussion as well, which is usually good if they make sense.

MZ: Other than furthering the VA lynchwagon (unless I missed some great post about it), not enough info, no read.


Anyway I made a post because I promised it, but as you can see my knowledge of the thread is not very thorough yet. You should view these as my initial thoughts. I feel strongest about ritoky out of the people I checked so I'll vote on him for now to get him to speak out.

On June 11 2014 06:52 Chromatically wrote:

Cool, I'm not accusing him of lurking.

On June 12 2014 06:23 ExO_ wrote:


Changing your mind all the time can easily get you killed. Saying X is scum, then Y is scum, then Z is scum...people are gonna start thinking your scum trying to throw the blame off yourself. Obviously adapting and assessing and reassessing is a part of the game. But I'm not going to spout off bullshit for the sake of spouting off bullshit. If I saw something that I thought would help the town, I'd say it.

On June 12 2014 15:17 Holyflare wrote:


his post on roundabout is pretty good like a few pages ago

On June 12 2014 17:55 Palmar wrote:
Very sneaky voting man this Haru.

On June 12 2014 19:05 Koshi wrote:

I don't know yet.

On June 12 2014 19:45 marvellosity wrote:
I don't like people who post in a dumb style. But you've also provided opinions and stuff instead of just using it as a cover, so I don't want to lynch you.

On June 13 2014 04:41 Holyflare wrote:


i'm just going to call you stevelisk because you're about as useless as him but not as hyped up as a zergling

On June 13 2014 04:46 Holyflare wrote:
people are afraid of the coin flip when it's not a coin flip because they are all too lazy to bother reading what i wrote

On June 13 2014 04:44 marvellosity wrote:
so many of my townlist on my wagon

i am happy

On June 13 2014 04:51 marvellosity wrote:

go read Red Team's Prize

then tell me sinani is the same alignment as that game

On June 13 2014 07:07 marvellosity wrote:

not what i was looking for.

On June 13 2014 19:16 marvellosity wrote:

Ace (6)
poofter (2)
gumshoe (1)
anyone else (0)

sound familiar to you? :p

On June 13 2014 22:01 marvellosity wrote:
I think I might be onboard Koshi/foolish's MZ-mafia thingy.

On June 13 2014 23:17 mattisfoolish wrote:
Players that we should be looking at closely for the next lynch

MZ
Sandroba
Ketomai
ObiWanShinobi

On June 13 2014 23:53 batsnacks wrote:
Posting from phone. The only thing anyone has said about slam is that he neglected to share his info on cats, even when he was asked to. No one is analyzing things slam said, they are analyzing what he didn't say when he could, and should, have spoken up.

On June 16 2014 02:19 justanothertownie wrote:

Ok, elaborate on that when you are back please.

On June 16 2014 02:54 roundabound wrote:

No counter push?

Kush, no?

Sandroba, no?

The vote spread around is not indicative to me of mafia being happy or unhappy with the vote.
Its indicative of lack of leadership.

Every bob, joe, dick and harry is going around saying "Player XYZ" is mafia; there has not been a driving force towards consolidation.

Robik and me finally caught up to chat & we agree rainbows/haru is not town + town either.

However I havent seen a good reason to not vote MIF other than potential to solve the game (which is applicable to a multitude of players left in the pool).

~moc

On June 11 2014 18:42 HaruRH wrote:
I read through 30+ pages of 'stuff' and the huge post by koshi and the reads off koshi's posts were striking to me.

CR seems like trying to earn some towncred by pointing out koshi first, so that in the future he can use this as a reference to how towny he is.

Town totem: Chrom, batsnacks.

Everyone else is hard to read. They make towny posts, then destroy their own image by making themselves look scummy.

On June 11 2014 23:32 HaruRH wrote:
Exo joins me on my town totem.

Town totem:
Chrom
Exo
batsnacks

On June 12 2014 18:00 HaruRH wrote:


I thought I said the vote on CR from me was a placeholder? SnB have some weird posts, will link them here in one sec, Filter dived him today.

On June 12 2014 21:18 HaruRH wrote:
Heck, I'll even help you make a huge post on why we should all lynch Haru.

Firstly, this haru guy don't even



contribute



At



ALL.

Then, this haru guy dont even defend himself



Thus I deduce this haru guy is scum 100%. ##Vote: HaruRH

On June 16 2014 03:48 Koshi wrote:
I can sheep you if you tell me who you are.

On June 16 2014 03:48 Koshi wrote:

yes ofc.

On June 16 2014 04:06 marvellosity wrote:
really 6 people not voting with less than an hour to go? that's atrocious

On June 16 2014 04:10 Koshi wrote:

It's funny because I think all of them could be scum.

On June 16 2014 04:11 HaruRH wrote:


Rainbows seem to disagree that if I get mislynched, he will get lynched too. Complete safety behind a wall.

On June 16 2014 04:22 marvellosity wrote:

day 1 is not day 2.

just got to ritoky's post on page 135-6 or so. i swear he didn't feel this disconnected from the game in Cell 2

anyone agree/disagree?

On June 16 2014 04:52 Tehpoofter wrote:
Heading to work yamato itis

## unvote
## Vote Yamato

On June 16 2014 04:52 marvellosity wrote:
i could also kill haru for being so unbelievably annoying.

apparently i am indiscriminate in my desire to kill people right now.

On June 16 2014 05:00 marvellosity wrote:
i never lynch mafia when i sheep someone.

i have no idea why i did it.

On June 16 2014 05:03 marvellosity wrote:
there's no good reason for yam to be town at all tbh.

On June 18 2014 07:58 yamato77 wrote:

no, matt, no

On June 18 2014 08:54 yamato77 wrote:

y u no play gaem

On June 19 2014 08:32 yamato77 wrote:
But compare the way I went about yesterday and the way Tica did. I kinda think he's mafia for refusing to help town do anything at all.

On June 18 2014 06:55 mattisfoolish wrote:
ok so my buddy foolishness is correct, we think that sandroba is mafia, so marv, thats a fine vote right there if it said the right name.

secondly, gumshoe is probably mafia as well

i think obi is mafia, his posts during n2(?) were really really off putting to me, however my partnah disagrees and doesnt think so cause he's a silly willy

people who shouldnt be lynched until everyone else is dead include

marv, chrom, batsnacks, ticatica, round, CR, 27nb

On June 14 2014 09:10 ketomai wrote:
At that point, like I said, SnB was my "strongest" read because it was the first day. I really do not hang onto it that hard as you can see by this post:



None of my cases were strong and neither was anyone else's including the case on KoC. I drop SnB post-lynch because he's less likely to be mafia and the case against him wasn't that strong to begin with.

Notice that I had maybe a 3 hour window 24 hours after the start of the game to make my vote for the first game day. That's 24 hours of information, you are reading too hard into nothing.

On June 20 2014 18:02 Holyflare wrote:
also that's a giant wall of text from tica to say everything that's been said already about keta who is pretty much afk and been called out by almost everyone, he also calls NB mafiaesque posting (but doesn't know why) but then in the second paragraph uses her filter to get scum reads???? like dafuk is that

On June 20 2014 18:02 Holyflare wrote:
i find it odd that he's using foolishness' filter when he didn't play the entire game to find town/mafia reads instead of the people that were NK'd too

On June 20 2014 18:57 Holyflare wrote:


can you explain your reaction to mif lynch?

On June 20 2014 18:19 roundabound wrote:
OK, so I get Tica is doing a filter dive of all live players (and I suppose some dead)

I want to know Tica position on CR.

Like... I am really surprised we only have 4 votes on CR, I thought this was clear cut.

~moc

On June 20 2014 19:04 marvellosity wrote:

In one of the quotes Holy just quoted, you stated that the only thing that jumped out at you was "CR's nonsense read on ketomai"

On June 21 2014 06:02 marvellosity wrote:
oh god it's Chrome because he asked Chrome to make a case on bunnies.

oh well.

15 mins ritoky, don't let me down.

On June 21 2014 06:11 ritoky wrote:
w/e i honestly think you guys are being dicks about it

chrom is town, vote away

On June 21 2014 06:20 ritoky wrote:
yamato, 27nb (red) made a list of inactives she wanted to push and yamato was randomly not on the list even though equally as inactive. i thought she was trying to hide him.

On June 21 2014 06:36 Chromatically wrote:

This is a lie, I am miller(/tracker).

N2 - gumshoe, N3 - CR, no results.

##Vote: ritoky

On June 21 2014 06:51 ritoky wrote:

Doubtful.
yup, i am VT

On June 21 2014 06:51 ritoky wrote:


yup, i am VT

On June 21 2014 06:55 marvellosity wrote:
Actually it was an amazing fakeclaim, it was so bad I thought it had to come from town. Am so confused.

On June 21 2014 07:10 marvellosity wrote:

This isn't right at all.

On June 21 2014 07:14 ritoky wrote:


because if they lynch 2 townies in a row they win. he can get a ML on me, then its basically LYLO or MYLO the rest of the way. as opposed to letting her go and then you have to do a lot more.

but yeah its probably the simpler world and he is what he claims.

On June 21 2014 07:22 ritoky wrote:


what are you talking about?

chrom is like 90% the miller. read the interaction.

i asked him "how would you feel if i told you i had a green check on you?"

and his response is basically being flabbergasted. because that makes 0 sense to him. would say that's a pretty decent reaction test in regards to his claim.

but hey, it was a bad play. move on and lynch you some more VT.

On June 21 2014 07:23 marvellosity wrote:
Gonna have to think about this tomorrow.

On June 21 2014 07:25 ritoky wrote:


you're voting on me, and this post seems to imply that you know i am VT. why do you know that?

it's not as bad as you say it is; although it is bad a not really thought through. like i said, made the claim cuz the game was stale, dead, i wasn't having fun, had a strong read, and YOLO. get over it and try to figure out the game instead of complaining.

On June 21 2014 07:30 ritoky wrote:


gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

i think when i flip VT you might really want to look into 27nb and rainbows.

rainbows seemed to know all to well what was about to happen before it did.

On June 21 2014 07:53 marvellosity wrote:
Shut up geript.

On June 21 2014 08:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
tickytacky is geript, probably the only alarm I have to ritoky being town. I feel like he would be much angrier about all this unless he's mafia. if ritoky does indeed flip VT im not going to jump to conclusions but geript would definitely go up for me.

On June 19 2014 03:35 ritoky wrote:


what questions?

marv/JAT who should i vote on? MiF?

On June 21 2014 05:21 ritoky wrote:


how would you feel if i told you that there's an alive green and an alive red in this game right now and you're one of them?

On June 21 2014 05:43 ritoky wrote:


chrom 1st
27nb 2nd (sub with no posts or voting record)
3rd check died last night.

On June 21 2014 05:48 ritoky wrote:


because people have been setting up an easy low hanging fruit ML on me for days now, and every indication from you has been that our 1 protective role is a jailkeeper, not a straight doctor; i was in no threat of dying and wanted 1 more check. i also wanted you alive as long as possible, if i come out yesterday you die or i die.

On June 21 2014 10:34 ritoky wrote:
also, ticatica. i agree with everything you said. you give a well thought through analysis of why the play was bad.

i don't believe any of the stuff in your post really points to any reason why i am mafia though. bad play doesn't equal mafia.

anywayz, like i said; when i flip VT, 27nb is like 100% mafia here.

On June 21 2014 10:50 ritoky wrote:


Well the play was less so about green checking chrom, he was honestly just an excuse (it just turns out that part exploded); it was mostly about faking a red check on 27nb who had ascended to my top scum read pretty recently. So mainly it was a play to get a solid reaction out of her for the fake red check tbh. If she reacted well, I probably would have rescinded the claim. If she reacted poorly I am not sure if I would have rescinded the claim until the night phase. Hadn't really thought that far ahead.

Just so happened that everyone was a giant dick about me outing everything immediately, and the fact that I mixed up the order of how I should have done things (newb mistake), that I couldn't get the response I wanted. That said, she ended up giving a terrible response anywayz, and I am regretting rescinding. I shoulda just stuck it out to get her lynched.

On June 21 2014 11:00 batsnacks wrote:
Seriously go look at the votes. We don't have to lynch ritoky just because he did something rash. Going John Rambo and making a huge mess in the thread is not what mafia does.

On June 21 2014 12:18 Rainbows wrote:
fake, i am the rainbows. feel the rainbow, taste the rainbow.

On June 21 2014 12:20 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Batsnacks, no..

Ritoky, try again.

Rainbows, is it true there's a pot of gold at the end of you?

On June 21 2014 12:36 ritoky wrote:
question for anyone and everyone who wants to answer: when i flip VT, who do you think looked the worst amidst all of this? why?

if you don't believe i am VT, then replace "when i flip" with "in the world that i flip"

On June 28 2014 16:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I read about one page and would have lynched Mocsta on D1. TicaTica should have done that aswell when Mocsta said his hydra partner is different alignment than TicaTica is and the voted for someone else.