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On May 27 2014 05:23 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 05:11 Chromatically wrote:On May 27 2014 04:55 Alakaslam wrote:I dislike the confirmed town stuff, and yet mourn my foolishness of not allying with sqrtofneg1- I like Russia too much  I therefore am not find of chromatically and sqrt's heavy backtracking, however, I am unsure of whether or not I regard this a reliable heuristic- if it even is a heuristic to begin with, since it involves host WIFOM. Best are our outspoken female. I find she hasn't disagree with me much, which unfortunately speaks only so well of her abilities... What was my "heavy backtracking" was and why does it make me scum? Sqrt literally confirmed town Well he can't be confirmed town... Keep your stories straight. And stop defending against "I do not know if I should consider this a heuristic, if it even is a heuristic". This implies inherent guilt... If I am not even pushing you as scum and you ask me why I think you are scum, I am forced to consider whether or not you are acting under paranoia or guilt.
You were asked for "who you like the least" (ie a scumread) and you gave possibly the least committal read in existence, so I asked you to back it up with something.
You didn't. You pointed out a contradiction I made, but you ignored my explanation for it and didn't actually explain why scum were more likely to perform it than town. This looks to me like you don't actually have a reason for disliking it, and you're just blending in because I've already caught some flak for the "contradiction".
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bunnies can you give me one scumread right now?
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I would first like to point out that slam, fuba, and mderg have all taken opportunities to say what I'm doing is strange without really pushing any of it.
But, I will explain it because it is apparently far more complicated than I originally thought.
Read this whole page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450802-classroom-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?page=8
On May 27 2014 03:40 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt is literally confirmed town, discuss
This is obvious sarcasm, as sqrt is clearly not confirmed anything. I was saying that the sqrt's question was probably town in a facetious way to make fun of the fact that he essentially broke the rules.
On May 27 2014 03:43 Chromatically wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 03:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 03:40 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt is literally confirmed town, discuss How is he confirmed town? Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 03:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I'm confirmed town.
I asked about coaches. This pretty much. It's generally more likely that he would be asking for a coaching qt if he didn't have a mafia qt, therefore he is probably town. Unless he faked this as mafia, which is kind of breaking the rules so he probably wouldn't do it as mafia. I feel dirty but it's what must be done.
This was me explaining why the question was more likely from town, because bunnies asked.
On May 27 2014 03:46 Chromatically wrote:Yeah he's not actually confirmed town ofc. The fact that he posted this means that he knows that the question makes him town, so he would see the benefit of faking it as mafia. Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 03:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I'm confirmed town.
I asked about coaches.
This was me explaining that, obviously, sqrt was not actually confirmed town because it sounded like bunnies thought I was actually saying that. It was also reevaluating sqrt as normal people do when they are disagreed with.
I would like someone to explain what the scum thought process behind these posts would be.
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On May 27 2014 06:45 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 06:36 Chromatically wrote:1) I would first like to point out that slam, fuba, and mderg have all taken opportunities to say what I'm doing is strange without really pushing any of it. But, I will explain it because it is apparently far more complicated than I originally thought. Read this whole page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450802-classroom-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?page=8On May 27 2014 03:40 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt is literally confirmed town, discuss 2) This is obvious sarcasm, as sqrt is clearly not confirmed anything. I was saying that the sqrt's question was probably town in a facetious way to make fun of the fact that he essentially broke the rules. On May 27 2014 03:43 Chromatically wrote:On May 27 2014 03:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 03:40 Chromatically wrote:
sqrt is literally confirmed town, discuss How is he confirmed town? On May 27 2014 03:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I'm confirmed town.
I asked about coaches. This pretty much. It's generally more likely that he would be asking for a coaching qt if he didn't have a mafia qt, therefore he is probably town. Unless he faked this as mafia, which is kind of breaking the rules so he probably wouldn't do it as mafia. I feel dirty but it's what must be done. This was me explaining why the question was more likely from town, because bunnies asked. On May 27 2014 03:46 Chromatically wrote:Yeah he's not actually confirmed town ofc. The fact that he posted this means that he knows that the question makes him town, so he would see the benefit of faking it as mafia. On May 27 2014 03:41 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I'm confirmed town.
I asked about coaches. This was me explaining that, obviously, sqrt was not actually confirmed town because it sounded like bunnies thought I was actually saying that. It was also reevaluating sqrt as normal people do when they are disagreed with. I would like someone to explain what the scum thought process behind these posts would be. 1) Yeah, that´s true. What´s your conclusion on that? 2) It´s not that obvious. Sarcasm is difficult to detect on the internet, so it can never be 100% obvious. I´m not sure about any scum motivation behind that but it seemed a bit strange.
Scum entering the thread who need to give an opinion on something would find it easy to jump on something that was already controversial and catching criticism, ie me. Add that to the fact that no one was actually pushing me as scum or giving any reasons why I would actually be scum, just lightly throwing suspicion. It's not a slam dunk or anything, but I think it looks bad. Worst on Slam, not as bad on you because you only gave it when someone specifically asked you.
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Mkay maybe it was just me and the sarcasm wasn't as obvious as I thought. I was under the assumption that it was clear to everyone.
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He's not going to get a pass the entire game. His question was more likely to come from town than scum but my read on him is going to depend on his posting, as usual.
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On May 27 2014 07:15 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Chromatically, what do you think of mderg so far?
I didn't like him after his first few posts, but his recent posting feels better so I don't want to lynch him right now. Null slightly leaning town I guess.
Why?
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On May 27 2014 07:55 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's like this. He town read me kind of, and then somewhat changes his mind on it. Now, in this post, he's explaining his thought process to come off as not insane. He's soft defending himself by explaining himself.
Also what's your point here? Like why is the post "significant"?
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On May 27 2014 07:44 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 06:33 Epishade wrote:
I think I'm the only one who thinks Sqrt right now is town. Chromatically probably too.
Here are my thoughts.
Chromatically is saying Sqrt is likely town for asking about the coaches. Though it's not something that I particularly like doing either, I also think Sqrt wouldn't likely be asking about coaches if he were scum. It'd be a good move by Sqrt if he were actually really mafia and was planning on asking that to appear town, but I don't really think that's what happened here. In my interpretation, Sqrt then jokes about his being confirmed town because of his asking about coaches. Chromatically thinks it's a bit less townie of him to joke about being confirmed town, but I can't see a mafia making a joke about it like that.
Sqrt's probably town for me right now.
Chromatically is also probably town, maybe. Idk that he would go out of his way to claim Sqrt as probable town if he (Chromatically) were Mafia. I would think mafia would just care to give a neutral read on Sqrt if anything.
Bunny, you don't want to clear Sqrt. That's understandable I guess. You think a mafia could have just as easily asked about coaches, but I feel a bit differently about it, and feel that it's more likely that a townie asked about coaches then a mafia. No read on you so far.
Alakaslam seems to be pushing a bit on Chromatically and Sqrt for backtracking, but I believe he's making a big case over a joke. I also am unsure of how what Chromatically said implies inherent guilt. Maybe I misunderstood what Alakaslam was saying. @Alakaslam, can you explain your thought behind that again.
Fuba - I put you kind of in the same boat as Alakaslam. I find it hard to understand what you're trying to push Chromatically on. Your phrasing, to me, is a bit poor in this line, "Are you saying that the phrase itself was an exaggeration, or you meant to exaggerate?" As, to me, they both mean the same thing. You say the difference is intent and I don't really follow much of what you said in the rest of your post, "According to him, he didn't mean what he was saying from the start. I find this weird because he followed up that first statement with more evidence to support it, along with the assertion that finding sqrt to be town is "what must be done". He doesn't think sqtr is confirmed town, but says he's confirmed town, gives evidence that he is confirmed town, then switches to saying he's not confirmed town for the only reason that would have made sqtr not confirmed town in the first place."
Don't really have a read on anybody else as of yet.
Sure. I explained who I liked and disliked in reply to a query, stating that I don't hold that to be a heuristic. Sloosh wants the game moving and so do I so I answered. I have no absolute scum read at this point, and that is not sufficient heuristic to launch a ghost-OMGUS FoS from. But for chromatically to take me so extremely, surprised me enough to wonder if maybe I actually should scumread him.I think this isn't the situation. As far as my scum play under this meta, I simply act far more classic TL townie. Ask Kush. Also I would hard bus, we were savagely accusing each other for the bus and rofling in the qt in extractor trick.
So Slam, I get that you're saying that you don't have a strong scumread on me, but it sounds to me like you are saying some of my actions were scummy. Did/do you think that my contradiction and my question to you were scummy actions in and of themselves?
Like does the bolded mean that you thought the way I approached that was scummy?
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