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On May 31 2014 02:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 02:29 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 30 2014 17:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 30 2014 16:51 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Like yes, I don't post 65536 freaking post a cyc. . It will never happen. But you are saying I hthread sentiman oduced nothing this game.
And you are out-right lying about it because in my limited number of post this game I have produced more content than like 80% of the players here.
And you want to lynch me for it.
Why? I want to lynch you because you're scum and you've been waffling between me and rit, you thought it was gonna be rit for a long time but never committed so now that I'm under the gun you can switch to me I really don't care about what else you've done, I'm looking at how you've played your cell and all you've done is angle yourself to stay alive by making sure you'll be on the right side of the lynch. Your first 5 or 6 posts are all about the bad things that ritoky did but as I pointed out, you never called him scum. Aside from Palmar I'm the only person you've actually called scum and aggressively gone after, you did this after it became apparent that ritoky was not catching on as a lynch. That's textbook opportunistic scum play in an attempt to stay alive. You kept your options open until you saw which way the thread was going. Don't give me BS about the other reads you've given, I don't care because those don't matter right now. All that matters is you, me, and ritoky, and it's clear your focus isn't finding scum but instead staying alive, and that's a scum play right there. This post confuses me, MZ. I'm not sure how being uncertain who is scum in your cell means mafia. He keeps both you and ritoky open as scum, because it seems like he actually doesn't know, how does this seem mafia? The thing is 27NB, read his posts against rit early, they're not particularly bad, however he put no faith in what he says which makes it look like he's biding his time to find out which way the thread is gonna go. He doesn't even consider me as scum until the thread sentiment is well under way against me.
Okay, I'll check through his filter and see if I can see what you are seeing.
I'll be posting thoughts on each person in your cell shortly, though it may take awhile.
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On May 31 2014 02:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 02:33 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 31 2014 02:28 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 02:26 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 31 2014 00:55 IAmRobik wrote:On May 30 2014 11:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 30 2014 11:20 mtamburini wrote:On May 30 2014 08:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 30 2014 08:46 mtamburini wrote:On May 28 2014 09:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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Because 1/3 is still only 33%.
I mean it works for my own cell because i have a fifty percent chance of hitting mafia in my own cell, but everyone else only thirty three percent. That may seem a lot, but its actually not.
Id rather base my reads of mafia on plays and their reads rather than on some stupid statistical machine that can't read into what a person writes. In our DM games mafia is 25% or less of the town as we use a 4:1 ratio. Your point is invalid. Sure READS are apart of the game and Im thankful I am in a position to absorb as much information as I can (besides your group being in the last spot) I can explore other possibilities besides my RNG results. Yeah but we dont rng who we think is mafia, then lynch based on that, so your point is invalid. We base on reads. So start absorbing information, and start explorin other possibilities, because youve barely done anything this game. Your post is bs because you get a couple reads and then you use POE as a way to lynch people which is statistics being used. Your tunnel on me is bs Ive read through your filter and nothing really impressed me and you keep talking about me not being here and not posting and are ready to lynch me when it comes to my cell BUT when you talk about the people in your cell you refuse to give reads on them because they have not posted. If you do not understand statistics then do not comment on them. Ooo, you are really starting to piss me off, for one, im not tunneling you. Tbh, i could care less about you, what im trying to do is figure out the game. You know, you arent the only cell in this game. I have to get reads on other cells, and yours is the furthest from my mind right now. I am thr last cell, which means I'm going to be in this game longer than you. The rest of my cell (ehich i need to look on more now that they have posted) werent doing anything, and it was just me. I understand statistics perfectly. I actually got an A in that class, so back off. If my filter did nothing to impress you, then maybe it wasnt meant for you. I gave my reads on each cell, what I thought about each person, etc. so if you arent seeing anything in my filter, then you need to get you eyes checked. But im done talking to you. Once you actually do something better for this town, becausyour filter sure as hell doesnt impress me, then we will talk. That might be the most forced line of all time. The pseudo-joke, pseudo-anger makes me want to vomit. Forced line? I didn't even force it. Why would I have a reason to? Basically, tamburini is arguing with me for the sake of arguing. he has called me scum each forum game we have played on the basis of trying to get me lynched, ive been town each game, and this game is so different. Why do you even care if he tries to get you lynched everyone is going to be dead by the time it's your cell's turn? What about what's happening right now in the next few hours? I don't care. I even said that in my post to tamburini. Im just responding to things that were directed at me, then I will move on to the MZ, Ritoky, and Odin thing. If youve read anything i wrote (which apparently you havent) I already commented on who I think is mafia out of todays cell. I like odin, and his posting. I think MZ is more scummy than ritoky. However, both ritoky and mZ are still using the freedom thing, which sorta ticks me off. mZ more so, because he is using it as a buddying up tactic to ritoky imo. I also questioned Mz on one of his posts. Im a bit behind on reading, so im trying to catch me up. If you want something specific, ask me, How on earth would the freedom thing still possibly be a buddying tactic when the entire thread is preparing to lynch me for it? I'd post a gif now except I'm phone posting.
It's just something im seeing. You have posted quite a few freedom gifs and pictures in the past 24hours.
Like i said. Im gonna go carefully through each of the filters.
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On May 30 2014 21:19 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 05:05 ritoky wrote:
Anyone else want to give their definitive Cell orders before the deadline? Other than mine I have:
batsnacks: C, A, B, E, D
bunnies: A, D, E, C, B
Holyflare: A, B, C, E, D
If I missed some in the thread, someone tell me so I can update my list. Its no secret Bunnies does not like me this game. Well actually Im not sure if she ever has. I do find it interesting Bunnies wanted me to be in second group. Her vocalizing she wants me dead leads me to believe she if with Ritoky (If elected mayor and eventually did get elected) will get a ml on one of the other 2 players doesnt matter which one because he was elected because of how "towny" he has been. Next is my group which she knows she will try and get me ML and then put herself in position for the scum win by going third.
Your group going second or third made sense to me at the time due to the lack of contribution from your group. I thought maybe, if your group was closer to the front, you would contribute more. Silly reason i guess, but it was what i was thinking at the time. I definitely didnt want your group last, like many others, because i think your group would be in a terrible position in a lylo situation.
I dont like you for your rng crap. And even when you come into the thread now, most of your focus is on me, and not any of the other cells.
I do however agree with you that its one between mz and ritoky. I have expressed that multiple times. If i was mafia with ritoky, why would i bus him in this situation when he is being read as town by so many people? That would seem like a losing cause for me, and my mafia partners. ( which is impossible, cause im not mafia)
Im not sure where you are getting at by my posting being filler.
But this is the last time im commenting on you until i need to. If you are town here, you are doing a poor job of convincing me you are town.
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On May 31 2014 02:40 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 02:38 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 31 2014 02:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:29 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 30 2014 17:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 30 2014 16:51 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Like yes, I don't post 65536 freaking post a cyc. . It will never happen. But you are saying I hthread sentiman oduced nothing this game.
And you are out-right lying about it because in my limited number of post this game I have produced more content than like 80% of the players here.
And you want to lynch me for it.
Why? I want to lynch you because you're scum and you've been waffling between me and rit, you thought it was gonna be rit for a long time but never committed so now that I'm under the gun you can switch to me I really don't care about what else you've done, I'm looking at how you've played your cell and all you've done is angle yourself to stay alive by making sure you'll be on the right side of the lynch. Your first 5 or 6 posts are all about the bad things that ritoky did but as I pointed out, you never called him scum. Aside from Palmar I'm the only person you've actually called scum and aggressively gone after, you did this after it became apparent that ritoky was not catching on as a lynch. That's textbook opportunistic scum play in an attempt to stay alive. You kept your options open until you saw which way the thread was going. Don't give me BS about the other reads you've given, I don't care because those don't matter right now. All that matters is you, me, and ritoky, and it's clear your focus isn't finding scum but instead staying alive, and that's a scum play right there. This post confuses me, MZ. I'm not sure how being uncertain who is scum in your cell means mafia. He keeps both you and ritoky open as scum, because it seems like he actually doesn't know, how does this seem mafia? The thing is 27NB, read his posts against rit early, they're not particularly bad, however he put no faith in what he says which makes it look like he's biding his time to find out which way the thread is gonna go. He doesn't even consider me as scum until the thread sentiment is well under way against me. Okay, I'll check through his filter and see if I can see what you are seeing. I'll be posting thoughts on each person in your cell shortly, though it may take awhile. Didn't you promise to do this 12 pages ago?
Yeeeaahhh.
I got off of work, had to take my sisters to gymnastic practice, and then got distracted by the movie Frozen.
Which i watched with my 3 year old cousins 4 times. I think i have that movie memorized by now.
So yeah, it has taken me a lot longer than I wanted to, but don't judge. Im a girl
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On May 31 2014 02:51 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 02:48 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 31 2014 02:40 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 02:38 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 31 2014 02:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 31 2014 02:29 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 30 2014 17:00 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 30 2014 16:51 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Like yes, I don't post 65536 freaking post a cyc. . It will never happen. But you are saying I hthread sentiman oduced nothing this game.
And you are out-right lying about it because in my limited number of post this game I have produced more content than like 80% of the players here.
And you want to lynch me for it.
Why? I want to lynch you because you're scum and you've been waffling between me and rit, you thought it was gonna be rit for a long time but never committed so now that I'm under the gun you can switch to me I really don't care about what else you've done, I'm looking at how you've played your cell and all you've done is angle yourself to stay alive by making sure you'll be on the right side of the lynch. Your first 5 or 6 posts are all about the bad things that ritoky did but as I pointed out, you never called him scum. Aside from Palmar I'm the only person you've actually called scum and aggressively gone after, you did this after it became apparent that ritoky was not catching on as a lynch. That's textbook opportunistic scum play in an attempt to stay alive. You kept your options open until you saw which way the thread was going. Don't give me BS about the other reads you've given, I don't care because those don't matter right now. All that matters is you, me, and ritoky, and it's clear your focus isn't finding scum but instead staying alive, and that's a scum play right there. This post confuses me, MZ. I'm not sure how being uncertain who is scum in your cell means mafia. He keeps both you and ritoky open as scum, because it seems like he actually doesn't know, how does this seem mafia? The thing is 27NB, read his posts against rit early, they're not particularly bad, however he put no faith in what he says which makes it look like he's biding his time to find out which way the thread is gonna go. He doesn't even consider me as scum until the thread sentiment is well under way against me. Okay, I'll check through his filter and see if I can see what you are seeing. I'll be posting thoughts on each person in your cell shortly, though it may take awhile. Didn't you promise to do this 12 pages ago? Yeeeaahhh. I got off of work, had to take my sisters to gymnastic practice, and then got distracted by the movie Frozen. Which i watched with my 3 year old cousins 4 times. I think i have that movie memorized by now. So yeah, it has taken me a lot longer than I wanted to, but don't judge. Im a girl so is tamboweenie...what's your point?
Lol. We had everyone believing tambo was a girl in golden sun. Best ever.
No point...
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Mmmk. Let's start with MZ first since he is mostly everyone's mafia read.
I would like to point out, I am not going to say who I think is mafia, until I go through each filter of the three up for lynch.
So MZ
His filter is surprisingly short. Wasn't expecting that.
So day 1- mayor election.
MZ seems a bit trolly imo. Asks things like, where are my cell members, says he immediately knows who the scum are in his cell (which that early, how can you possibly know that?) Says he's hard, makes multiple jokes about his penis, etc.
The whole finding scum within the first day was based on the freedom thing.
for example:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 28 2014 08:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 08:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 07:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm so hard right now What is with all you boys getting hard. It's mafia. Not sex. Also ritoky i give you 9/10 for the freedom messup. We use our penises to scum hunt. I've already caught thrawn and shaiopi with mine, you lack a penis and haven't caught anyone. Coincidence? I think not... And you are so sure on them, aren't you? Why? What is your evidence. though i agree a bit with shaiopi. He seems to be wanting to disregard holyflare entirely. And the tone of his posts throw me off. I like hf. But that could be due to the cute kitty. I may lack a penis, but I have women's intuition, and boobs and a vagina. Sorry but way more powerful than your penis. My evidence against thrawn is that he must be scum since ritoky and myself are both town My evidence against Shaiopi is that he hates freedom. Two ironclad cases and I'm just getting warmed up. On May 28 2014 08:15 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 08:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 08:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 08:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 28 2014 07:58 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 28 2014 07:50 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm so hard right now What is with all you boys getting hard. It's mafia. Not sex. Also ritoky i give you 9/10 for the freedom messup. We use our penises to scum hunt. I've already caught thrawn and shaiopi with mine, you lack a penis and haven't caught anyone. Coincidence? I think not... And you are so sure on them, aren't you? Why? What is your evidence. though i agree a bit with shaiopi. He seems to be wanting to disregard holyflare entirely. And the tone of his posts throw me off. I like hf. But that could be due to the cute kitty. I may lack a penis, but I have women's intuition, and boobs and a vagina. Sorry but way more powerful than your penis. My evidence against thrawn is that he must be scum since ritoky and myself are both town My evidence against Shaiopi is that he hates freedom. Two ironclad cases and I'm just getting warmed up. Ohhh.. Process of elimination. Didn't realize he was in your cell. I should probably look at that list. Okay, so why is ritoky more town than thrawn? Has he even (thrawn) commented on anything yet? And are you just basing that case on his mayor post? Also, if you like ritoky for his post(if thats the reason why) what do you not like about hf? George Washington himself personally told me ritoky was town. He said that we must rebel against King Thrawn the third. King Thrawn has not commented on anything yet, he is crazy after all. The problem with HF is that he included kittens, a sure sign of weakness. Also I may still want to policy lynch him after golden sun, I haven't decided on that yet. + Show Spoiler +In all seriousness, I actually have a really good townread off of ritoky based on that post alone. It may change (I would be crushed if it had to) but that sort of entry into the thread is the antithesis of what I'd expect him to do as scum. If anyone has meta arguments against my gut (and George Washington), better tell me now. On May 28 2014 08:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 08:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 28 2014 08:10 Tehpoofter wrote:
Oh shit Palmer or Wos mafia.
WoS how happy are you to be in this game bro?
Starting the read.
@mtamburini I hope you have your fake claim ready mine is this:
I have rolled Bouncer. You have 2 abilities which you can use only one. They are a) Bounce - Once during the game take a cell from the front of the line to the back. b) Cuts - Once during the game take any cell and place it at the front of the line.
What is your claim tambo? I have like 3 more I thought of yesterday if you need to borrow one for when we lynch you. Very happy. MZ who is the scum in my cell now that two of us have posted, go! I'm so glad you asked Wave, I just got off the telegraph with Teddy Roosevelt and he told me Palmar was scum so I'm gonna go with it.
Also, both ritoky and MZ wanted Cell A to go first. Either they were super sure thrawn (now odin) was scum, or one of them knew they could easily push a ml on someone who hadn't even spoken yet.
MZ also posts things like the following, which seems even more buddying up to me than just the freedom stuff.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads? On May 28 2014 09:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
So Mayor-Elect Ritoky you would support a HF lynch?
I think that MZs best case on Odin is his post during day one about odin's four initial posts.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote:
Gonna leave this question here for when MZ and Odin come on:
@MZ, If the mod suddenly banned freedom and murrica from this thread, then what would you base your read on myself and Odin on?
@Odin, You talked about me, could you please give me some similar depth on MZ? I was initially all over you for the lulz mostly, I thought your intro post was good and not something scum would do but I really had no idea how things would pan out. Since then my initial judgement has been reaffirmed, I'd be townreading you right now even without the America stuff. Right now I'm actually baffled by the people who think Odin is town. He came in, made four posts and peaced. People are jacking off to how "protown" they were but honestly that's more just people repeating stuff that HF said. Because there are so few, let's take a quick look at these posts, since the way people are describing them I think some have forgotten what he actually said: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived.
I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh.
If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A.
Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip.
So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B.
Holyflare is kind of making me worry too.
-Push for mayor super weird
-has a ton of filler post
-has a few prodding post with not so much follow up
Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops.
Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time.
Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone.
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. Firstly, his criticism of ritoky rings very hollow. He calls him out for wanting his cell to go first which is odd because when ritoky ran for mayor, there was no indication of who was going to be active or inactive is impossible to tell. This means ritoky's mayor run can't have been a scum plot from the start. That's not the only issue I have with this post. The one person who Odin actually calls out is the beleaguered Palmar who basically everyone wants to lynch at this point. That's just a very weak read and Palmar is probably a pretty good bus target right now for scum under fire to gain some cred off of. Odin finishes this post by doing something I personally hate which is telling everyone about something someone did and then not drawing any concrete conclusions. He starts with HF and concludes that "HF does this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum." Fantastic, why did we need to know that? HF is in no immediate danger of dying so why the need to inform the thread about your confusion, it's nothing more than a soft defense of HF without actually coming out and saying it. He then comments that layabout hasn't done anything, once again a very easy thing to say. Lastly, he bring up mderg's progression on rit for mayor and calls in "unnatural." Ironically enough, the manner in which he presents the progression is honestly pretty logical to me and this just seems like an attempt to throw dirt on mderg without actually calling him scummy. On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. I HATE posts like this. Rit seems to be making friends, does that make him scum? Rit's posting feels forced, does that make him scum? It's elaborate and gives you bad vibes, does that make him scum? Odin presents a lot of things rit is doing and neither gives examples of why he feels that way or makes a solid conclusion. Like, c'mon man, you KNOW that either rit or I have to be scum. For some reason it's incredibly hard for odin to form a solid read (other than Palmar lol). When I started off the game I wanted to solve my own cell first because I had a whopping 50% chance of doing that. HF mentioned that one of the things he liked about odin was that he was reading the whole game. That's great, but at this point he can't even give a solid read on his own cell which honestly just screams scum who's not certain which cell member he'll have a better chance to misslynch. On May 29 2014 04:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:Ok so I'm just going to give you my analysis on that post. I'll post my thoughts in red.. Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him. On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads? In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The town doesn't have a "wealth" of information. In fact, the only information that the town will have, if this goes through, is the scum in Cell A will be off in the obs qt laughing when I flip green. Like Rit's whole push for this seems odd. His insta town read on MZ for playing along with Freedom is a convenient way to make sure this goes along nicely.The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Why put C before B? In the previous sentence you admit to not being sure about someone? Like you do realize Cell C is probably the hardest group to make a read on? Cell B makes wayyyy more sense. I'm not entirely sure on the timeline for this post but Palmar has been playing anti-town since the beginning of the game. So this is a obvious choice anyway. So why put Cell C, with it's harder to read players, super early? To snag ez mislynches. People in this group won't have be being strongly read one way or the other more than likely. You're chances are better at landing a mislynch into this pool if you do it early.Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. It's not that Poofter has pitted himself anywhere. Palmar literally claimed to be anti-town. More 'Murica buddying, like good for you right? If you're lucky you'll befriend enough of the town that you'll even get a town read after you get a mislynch day1. He even admits he's got a stronger read Cell B than C. Yet in his previous paragraph he wants to put C first, why?The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk. The last groups are simply at the back of the line becuase he "doesn't have info". Like why the hell is Cell A at the very front of his list then? Thrawn hadn't posted yet. How much less info could you have? Oh right, cuz MZ his Freedom loving cuddlebuddy. So ye, in conclusion.. What exactly was suppose to make me feel better in that post? It's fishy, and there is an obvious agenda in it. Ok this post is gonna be rough, bear with me. I'm first gonna talk about why the red on the innermost quote is wrong. His first read paragraph reads like a scum scared to get lynched. He freakin references the scum team laughing at him dying which is just so alarmist as to be comical. He once again calls rit's play "odd." Like what the fuck does that even mean? Is that scummy? We don't know because odin doesn't take a stand Next red paragraph: His whole fault with rit's plan is that he thinks it opens the opportunity for a mislynch, also he calls our Palmar, his only real read, again. Next red paragraph: here's he's just trying to create a problem, ritkoy wants to kill Palmar just as much as odin supposedly does, however he feels the need to once again say that something is off because rit won't put B in front of C, DESPITE the fact that rit literally says in his post that he'd be willing to change the order. This smacks of willful missreading on the part of odin. Last red paragraph: he's butthurt everyone wants A to go first because nobody wants to deal with a group where no one has posted. But odin once again construes this as bad because clearly rit is plotting with me In conclusion, odin says the post is "fishy" and "has an obvious agenda." Really? You just fucking analyzed this dude in red text and you can't take a strong position on it? The only agenda I saw reading this post was the one where odin portrayed ritoky as scummy for putting D and E last when that's what literally everyone in the thread wanted. I really feel like people either only red the read text or didn't read the post at all because there is nothing about this post that "looks good" or "looks town." This feels like a contrived mess from a scum who's been caught and isn't sure which misslynch will be his saving grace. Odin has been tunnel city on ritoky and still can't even call him scum. On May 29 2014 04:59 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Well I have to work tonight.
So I won't be around much longer.
I don't want Rit for mayor. Reasons I already said.
##Vote:batsnacks
His last chance to produce an actual read and the best he can do is say he doesn't want rit for mayor and votes batsnacks. This vote is odd as a townie because batsnacks doesn't want B to go first which was odin's whole problem with ritoky's plan, however as a scum it makes sense because it puts C first so Odin won't be under fire right away. I highly encourage everyone to actually read odin's filter (it's short I promise and it's all in this post in case you forget) because I feel like at the moment there are people parroting what others have said regrading odin's towniness.
I'm curious, MZ, on the following
On May 31 2014 02:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I am so pumped for my flip because it'll basically confirm sloosh as scum so even though we'll lose my cell we'll pick up another.
Anyone want any last minute reads off of me that you can go back and reference later?
I'm not entirely sure why if you flip town, how does that make sloosh auto mafia? I know he made a big case on you (one I need to read more thoroughly probably), but Does that mean everyone who views you as scummy right now are mafia? Cause that is about everyone.
Also, I feel that MZ doesnt really place a solid case on Odin, unless I have missed something in his filter, other than the first post he made on his case on odin, and then just basically saying ritoky is town, so odin is mafia.
My analysis on Odin next.
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So now odin:
I like his initial post into the thread. Even though many people were seeing ritoky as town over mz, odin calls ritoky out for the following:
Then he also give reads for other cells, not just his own. This seems like a more townie thing to do,
+ Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived.
I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh.
If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A.
Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip.
So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B.
Holyflare is kind of making me worry too.
-Push for mayor super weird
-has a ton of filler post
-has a few prodding post with not so much follow up
Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops.
Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time.
Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone.
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural.
he seems to call out mderg for inconsistencies he found in mdergs posting, which I also find more townie.
Also, odin sticks for hhis reasoning to not vote for ritoky, rather than going for the popular consensus of most of the town.
The odin drunk progression confuses the hell out of me, especially since no one was voting him, just placing suspicion on him. i felt he got way super defensive for absolutely nothing, and i think is actually more mafia indicative now that i read more through it than townie.
also, odin's following post is actually pretty good. I think he defends himself pretty well in the boldedd part, and the fact that mz brings up the red text as scummy, seems like a last chance type thing to have something against odin
On May 29 2014 22:21 OdinOfPergo wrote:Damnit this is what I get for not previewing things I type. Cleaned up for ease of reading. Added a few [/.b] tags I missed. Also yes, absolutely do open the spoiler tags. Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 22:12 OdinOfPergo wrote:Ok, so I'm just going to address this first since it's the most recent. On May 29 2014 16:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 29 2014 12:27 ritoky wrote:
Gonna leave this question here for when MZ and Odin come on:
@MZ, If the mod suddenly banned freedom and murrica from this thread, then what would you base your read on myself and Odin on?
@Odin, You talked about me, could you please give me some similar depth on MZ? I was initially all over you for the lulz mostly, I thought your intro post was good and not something scum would do but I really had no idea how things would pan out. Since then my initial judgement has been reaffirmed, I'd be townreading you right now even without the America stuff. Confirming someone as town like 1 hour into the game for lulz? I don't even really think it was for the lulz. Iirc you were the one who posted a little while after this saying it was the complete "anti" something or other of Rit's scum play. How in your mind is anyone else suppose to se that as a "lulz" read?Right now I'm actually baffled by the people who think Odin is town. He came in, made four posts and peaced. People are jacking off to how "protown" they were but honestly that's more just people repeating stuff that HF said. Because there are so few, let's take a quick look at these posts, since the way people are describing them I think some have forgotten what he actually said: + Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
I don't really like Rit's push for mayor. The whole way he words things seems flashy and contrived.
I have to really look at the motivation for it but I like what Bat said tbh.
If cell A goes first, scum get a easy ride on day1. Like everyone already knows I'm the lynch target in cell A.
Now assuming Rit is not scum, why would he push so hard for his own cell to go first when one of his members hasn't even posted? That's a big bet to take if your town. You're literally basing your first lynch on a coinflip.
So it's pretty obvious Palmar is the scum in B.
Holyflare is kind of making me worry too.
-Push for mayor super weird
-has a ton of filler post
-has a few prodding post with not so much follow up
Then again I'm going to just admit I have a hard time reading HF. So while I find HF to look odd, he does do this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum. But I don't think C is good group to go today anyway. So we'll have more time to see how it develops.
Between mderg/layabout I'm having a hard time.
Layabout is living up to his name. A few short filler post and he's gone.
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. Firstly, his criticism of ritoky rings very hollow. He calls him out for wanting his cell to go first which is odd because when ritoky ran for mayor, there was no indication of who was going to be active or inactive is impossible to tell. This means ritoky's mayor run can't have been a scum plot from the start. So because it's early game, there is no possible way mafia would run for mayor? What does who's going to be lurky and what not even matter for that tbh? Like, by the time a mayor gains traction and OBVIOUSLY by the time he is elected, they will have a pretty good idea. So why exactly can Rit's mayor push in no way be by possible mafia? Does that also make HF 100% confirmed town to you too now? This game must be easy for a player of your caliber. So many confirmed people in your mind, it makes me wonder if you already knew alignments or something. That's not the only issue I have with this post. The one person who Odin actually calls out is the beleaguered Palmar who basically everyone wants to lynch at this point. That's just a very weak read and Palmar is probably a pretty good bus target right now for scum under fire to gain some cred off of. My thoughts on Palmar at the time (still to date) are not plainly obvious..
Let me re-iterate for you.
-Palmar claims anti town.
-?
I don't even understand how you are calling my read "weak"
If so why/how are you justifying it for literally everyone else?Odin finishes this post by doing something I personally hate which is telling everyone about something someone did and then not drawing any concrete conclusions. He starts with HF and concludes that "HF does this sort of thing all the time as both town/scum." Fantastic, why did we need to know that? HF is in no immediate danger of dying so why the need to inform the thread about your confusion, it's nothing more than a soft defense of HF without actually coming out and saying it. Well obviously not all of us agree that because HF first post like half an hour into the game was a mayor push makes him confirmed town. Please guide us. And yes, I was defending HF if that wasn't obvious. I didn't have a strong read on him at the time and it's funny that you are trying to throw dirt on me over and over again here for not knowing knowing peoples alignments.He then comments that layabout hasn't done anything, once again a very easy thing to say. Read belowLastly, he bring up mderg's progression on rit for mayor and calls in "unnatural." Ironically enough, the manner in which he presents the progression is honestly pretty logical to me and this just seems like an attempt to throw dirt on mderg without actually calling him scummy. Ok your last two points are actually one point. I mentioned before I was confused between mderg/Laya.
So of course I'm going to explain why I think each of them are questionable.
You are saying that you would of preferred I had just popped into thread and been like, "meh no clue" with 0 explanation? Furthermore, you completely ignore the convo me and mderg had at that time.
Why do you think I did that? I asked him about his thought process because his didn't make sense to me.
He did give it to me, and if it wasn't clear from my response to his response, the post of mine you later quote where I am replying to him obviously was me more trying to feel out mderg.On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. I HATE posts like this. Rit seems to be making friends, does that make him scum? Rit's posting feels forced, does that make him scum? It's elaborate and gives you bad vibes, does that make him scum? Odin presents a lot of things rit is doing and neither gives examples of why he feels that way or makes a solid conclusion. Like, c'mon man, you KNOW that either rit or I have to be scum. For some reason it's incredibly hard for odin to form a solid read (other than Palmar lol). When I started off the game I wanted to solve my own cell first because I had a whopping 50% chance of doing that. HF mentioned that one of the things he liked about odin was that he was reading the whole game. That's great, but at this point he can't even give a solid read on his own cell which honestly just screams scum who's not certain which cell member he'll have a better chance to misslynch.
If I don't understand something (Yes, believe it or not this happens pretty often..) I ask questions about it.
I don't mind if you don't like those questions. But I don't understand how you are scum reading me for trying to come to solid conclusions.+ Show Spoiler +On May 29 2014 04:28 OdinOfPergo wrote:Ok so I'm just going to give you my analysis on that post. I'll post my thoughts in red.. Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 04:01 OdinOfPergo wrote:On May 29 2014 03:57 mderg wrote:On May 29 2014 03:46 OdinOfPergo wrote:
mderg I'm having trouble understanding your progression from
-don't want rit's to be mayor
-Rit's post a bit more = could be ok with Rit's mayor
-Likes Rits for mayor but would change cell order
You basically just realized you were tunneling him and then decided to 180% your read?
Your thought process here just doesn't seem natural. I skimmed at first and didn´t like his posts. I later realized that I missed well elaborated posts while skimming. But I still didn´t agree with the cell order. So I wanted him to change the cell order to fit the more recent ongoings while elaborating similarly to before. What about Rit's post that you missed made you change your mind? Because to be honest I don't like most of his 'murica this and that filler. It's just him insta buddying anyone that happens to play along. What's the easiest way to lead an agenda? Make friends. His post feel rather forced to me. Elaborate yes, but not in a way that gives me good vibes. i basically didn´t attribute this post to his play. In this everything is based on reasoning and is elaborated. Elaborating on the cell order and giving proper reasons is exactly what I expect from the mayor. So I changed my mind from definitely not voting him to thinking about voting him. On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads? In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The town doesn't have a "wealth" of information. In fact, the only information that the town will have, if this goes through, is the scum in Cell A will be off in the obs qt laughing when I flip green. Like Rit's whole push for this seems odd. His insta town read on MZ for playing along with Freedom is a convenient way to make sure this goes along nicely.The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Why put C before B? In the previous sentence you admit to not being sure about someone? Like you do realize Cell C is probably the hardest group to make a read on? Cell B makes wayyyy more sense. I'm not entirely sure on the timeline for this post but Palmar has been playing anti-town since the beginning of the game. So this is a obvious choice anyway. So why put Cell C, with it's harder to read players, super early? To snag ez mislynches. People in this group won't have be being strongly read one way or the other more than likely. You're chances are better at landing a mislynch into this pool if you do it early.Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. It's not that Poofter has pitted himself anywhere. Palmar literally claimed to be anti-town. More 'Murica buddying, like good for you right? If you're lucky you'll befriend enough of the town that you'll even get a town read after you get a mislynch day1. He even admits he's got a stronger read Cell B than C. Yet in his previous paragraph he wants to put C first, why?The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk. The last groups are simply at the back of the line becuase he "doesn't have info". Like why the hell is Cell A at the very front of his list then? Thrawn hadn't posted yet. How much less info could you have? Oh right, cuz MZ his Freedom loving cuddlebuddy. So ye, in conclusion.. What exactly was suppose to make me feel better in that post? It's fishy, and there is an obvious agenda in it. Ok this post is gonna be rough, bear with me. I'm first gonna talk about why the red on the innermost quote is wrong. His first read paragraph reads like a scum scared to get lynched. He freakin references the scum team laughing at him dying which is just so alarmist as to be comical. He once again calls rit's play "odd." Like what the fuck does that even mean? Is that scummy? We don't know because odin doesn't take a stand Odd-differing in nature from what is ordinary, usual, or expected: an odd choice.
Rit's post felt weird to me. They didn't sit right. I still don't necessarily agree with them, but I'm starting to come around to maby understanding his logic behind them.
Let me give you an example of something that I find odd.
You, throwing dirt at me over and over and over again for trying to come to conclusions instead of already having them.
I'm sorry, not everyone get's to be scum MZ. Some of us actually have to try to play the game to discern alignments of other players. Next red paragraph: His whole fault with rit's plan is that he thinks it opens the opportunity for a mislynch, also he calls our Palmar, his only real read, again. Next red paragraph: here's he's just trying to create a problem, ritkoy wants to kill Palmar just as much as odin supposedly does, however he feels the need to once again say that something is off because rit won't put B in front of C, DESPITE the fact that rit literally says in his post that he'd be willing to change the order. This smacks of willful missreading on the part of odin. Your argument against me is:
-Odin thinks it's funny that Rit doesn't want to put his second highest scum read at the time to the rope before his null reads.
-Rit did say that. but by the time I had replied to this, Rit had made a pretty strong suggestion that he was going to put Cell C in front of B. So your point is out-dated and trying intent fully to misrepresent what I said.Last red paragraph: he's butthurt everyone wants A to go first because nobody wants to deal with a group where no one has posted. But odin once again construes this as bad because clearly rit is plotting with me Yes one of you is conspiring with the other. That much I know. Who's pocket is in whoms, I wasn't sure about.
But my catch up today leads me to lean towards Rit's actions being genuinely gung hoe town, you as scum being estatic to have such a useful face man, and just sheeping everything he says.In conclusion, odin says the post is "fishy" and "has an obvious agenda." Really? You just fucking analyzed this dude in red text and you can't take a strong position on it? The only agenda I saw reading this post was the one where odin portrayed ritoky as scummy for putting D and E last when that's what literally everyone in the thread wanted. I really feel like people either only red the read text or didn't read the post at all because there is nothing about this post that "looks good" or "looks town." This feels like a contrived mess from a scum who's been caught and isn't sure which misslynch will be his saving grace. Odin has been tunnel city on ritoky and still can't even call him scum. I used red text last time because I thought it would be easier to read. Here I used bolded this time, better? So freaking what? Maby I'll use yellow next time around. Who knows! And the fact you say I didn't come to a conclusion from it is just a blatant lie. If it was not obvious from my analysis on what my thoughts about Rit were at the time then.. I dunno, sorry I guess for not stating in italicized capital bold letters that I thought Rit was the probable scum in my group?
Even more so that said analysis wasn't even directed at Rit and more in response to mderg while I tried to understand his thought process?On May 29 2014 04:59 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Well I have to work tonight.
So I won't be around much longer.
I don't want Rit for mayor. Reasons I already said.
##Vote:batsnacks
His last chance to produce an actual read and the best he can do is say he doesn't want rit for mayor and votes batsnacks. This vote is odd as a townie because batsnacks doesn't want B to go first which was odin's whole problem with ritoky's plan, however as a scum it makes sense because it puts C first so Odin won't be under fire right away. I voted the only mayor wagon that was not Rit because I was fairly concerned with Rit at the time.
Excuse me for trying to prevent him from dictating what I saw, and still see as a easy mis-lynch opportunity.
The only thorn in your side on this plan is, I replaced into it. I highly encourage everyone to actually read odin's filter (it's short I promise and it's all in this post in case you forget) because I feel like at the moment there are people parroting what others have said regrading odin's towniness.
So i think you can tell where i am leaning on Odin atm.
Also, MZ, im not seeing what you are talking about his complete 180 from ritoky to you. If you can point it out a bit better, because im not seeing it. It seems like a natural progression from being a bit iffy on ritoky, to thinking you are scum, and giving reasonings for it.
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On May 31 2014 04:11 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 04:04 batsnacks wrote:On May 31 2014 03:55 IAmRobik wrote:
So like, I'm town and the fact that both people in my cell are voting for meapak should scare the shit out of everyone and everyone should prolly switch off.
kthx Two people in Cell D are voting meapak. Does that scare the shit out of you too? I am town. I KNOW one of you two is mafia. I would definitely be weirded the fuck out if all 3 of Cell D were voting meapak. But there's enough to be weirded out by knowing that at least one mafia is pushing for a lynch of meapak
Is there any way that there could be a possibility of bussing, or that ritoky is mafia?
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Now on to ritoky.
Him running for mayor really worked out for him if he is scum here. Many people insta viewed him as town for it, and the fact he puut cell A first (even though i admit i was for it at one point) works in his favor as he thinks he can easily push an easy ml on odin or MZ (sense MZ was being read mafia for the buddying)
Much like MZ, i find the day 1 freedom thing a bit trolly. Like it was all fun games, but to carry it on into today where lynches happen is a bit much.
I like his reasoning for cell order here, though i was opposed to cell d and e going last, because they had very little information. Im not sure why you would want to put the game win in the hands of the two cells with least information. Unless you were sure you can win within the first 3 cells.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 28 2014 09:41 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2014 09:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Mayor-Elect Ritoky could you dazzle me with some scum reads? In all seriousness, I am trying to think about this game slightly different than a normal mafia game. I am trying to think about it in terms of the cells and getting strong reads on players in the cells. Outside of the fact that freedom and murrica declare that Cell A should go first, I know I am town and I think you have posted and done enough in the thread for me to get a strong read on you. Thrawn has yet to post, so I can't speak with certainty, but I think there is a wealth of information in the thread about Cell A for people to make informed reads on two of us already. The next Cells I would consider after A are C or B. Probably C before B. In regards to Cell C, I think there is something off about ShiaoPi's post where he was critical of those who were joking. I didn't really find that it added much to the game beyond complaining about the state of the game. To me his complaints are anti-freedom. If he doesn't like the state of the game, why didn't he push hard for it to change to a more serious tone instead of just pointing it out and walking away? HF, unfortunately, has done more to push a town than Shiao but I also find his avoidance of certain questions and topics (such as my campaign against him) to be questionable. Batsnacks hasn't posted. We will see about him, but I think that after Cell A which will be very clear cut, how people vote in regards to cell C will be highly informative. Currently, I am about that Shiao kill in C (although I sways toward HF the more anti-freedom he spews). Cell B would probably be next, although I could be convinced that it should go before C. I think poofter has pitted himself against Palmar in a very strong way, and I think WoS's response to that direction opposition of two people in his cell will be very alignment indicative for him. I like poofter currently, as he is in my murrica huddle. I like his case as a baseline for starting an extensive inquiry into Palmar. I think he also needs to bit of time to really flesh it out with gameplay support or watch it fall through. Which is why I would have him go 3rd. Currently, I am about that Palmar kill in B. The last two would be probably E then D as of right now. Simply because I think we have the least information about those two at the moment and I can't say I have particularly strong feelings about any of the people outside of bunnies in those groups. I could be convinced to push D up after group A into the 2nd spot if someone convinces me of that sick tambo read, cuz his post was strange. I think it was him trying to make a joke about golden sun, but it fell flat and was awk.
The one thing that ritoky has going for him in cell order is that he atleast got the consensus from town about which order they wanted. As mafia, he probably could have been swayed by fellow partners in qt or otherwise to change his order, but he stuck with his guns, which i like.
I think with his read on me he was just grasping st reasons to put mderg as more town than i, especially for my cell order. Im still not sure how having my group go third is anyway indicative of me being mafia, and he never answered my questioning to him on that regard.
I also like this post from ritoky. Instead of being all, yes, lets lynch odin, its obviously him, he questions his actual read on MZ.
On May 29 2014 12:17 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2014 12:09 batsnacks wrote:On May 29 2014 12:00 Holyflare wrote:
Yehhh bumsnacks let's lynch shiaopi! I've got a better idea lets cross that bridge when we come to it, which won't even be very long now. How about this if the deadline was now who would you vote in group A? This is an open question anyone can answer it. I'd vote MZ because he buddied with ritoky too fast, because I want to believe a mafia member wasn't elected as mayor over me, and because I liked Odin's first post more than any of MZ's that I can remember. That's what I've got and I think it is something. I will answer this, then I saw a question from poofter too a ways back that I will talk about after. If the deadline was right now, I would lynch Odin. Now that's not to take away from him at all. I basically had such a strong town read when MZ buddied up to me that I thought thrawn/Odin would just post in the thread, I would say "lulz" and default lynch him. But, Odin's posts were so good and I am beginning to agree with some other people after thinking about it that his choice to attack me is the harder road to take and mafia would likely take the easier road of not going at the guy being elected mayor. However, as of now I think his sample size is too small for those brief moments of town feels to overrule the surge of early town feels I got from MZ. Basically I am not completely closed to either of them being mafia, as opposed to 12 hrs ago when I thought it was an open and shut case.
Ritoky also sorta changed his view on odin, and says that sloosh's case on mZ is pretty solid, though he does state that odins case on MZ seems like odin took the case and just reworded it.
But then ritoky comes into the thread voting odin today, before reading the pages he has missed. Why would town do that?
Also, if odin reworded slooshs case (which i need to look at myself)
If that's true, maybe odin/sloosh partners?
But from my looking through filters, i thin MZ is the. Scum in this cell. I have a pretty good town read on odin and ritoky.
I do not like how layabout is voting mz, though he might be actually in a townset mind here, though he is iffy and willing to switch his vote.
I also dont like mdergs vote on ritoky.
I hope im not wrong here, but got to go with my gut.
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
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On May 31 2014 04:48 mtamburini wrote:
##VOTE: RITOKY
Why ritoky over odin or mz?
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On May 31 2014 04:55 layabout wrote:
Still cant see Odin as mafia
What makes ritoky or mz more mafia than odin?
You say this, but you dont really give reasons as to why
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On May 31 2014 05:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
rofl, my cell is terrible.
nb i already asked him and he isnt answering me at all.
Its okay, my cell is terrible too.
If we make it to my cell, its going to be hell.
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On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Poofter Where in the actual fuck are you?
I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still)
As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult.
What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin? I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch. As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia.
Rob, who all in this game have you coached.
Me, ritoky, and?
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On May 31 2014 05:05 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 05:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Poofter Where in the actual fuck are you?
I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still)
As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult.
What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin? I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch. As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia. Rob, who all in this game have you coached. Me, ritoky, and? No one else. What's it matter?
I was just curious.
More of i was seeing if there was a connection between you and ritoky here.
I find as a mafia partner with ritoky, you would point something out like this. You did coach him as town, why couldnt you coach him in mafia qt to be more outspoken as mafia...
Just an observation i guess
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On May 31 2014 05:12 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 05:10 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 31 2014 05:05 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 05:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 31 2014 05:02 IAmRobik wrote:On May 31 2014 04:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Poofter Where in the actual fuck are you?
I swear I'm this fuckinga close to changing my mind and actually believing palmar is town. (Not really but still)
As for MZ, he is a fighter. I've seen him play like this before going down, and he is playing well. It's unfortunate that ritoky right now is playing like shit and making our decision difficult.
What's with all of this flip flop bullshit? Robik how in the actual fuck can you be voting for Odin? I really really wanted to vote for MZ, but that would mean that the bus in my group is real and I don't want to believe that scum would want to bus a d1 lynch. As for Ritoky, I was his coach in his newbie game. While he says he's been playing online mafia for 5+ years, nothing that he did in that newbie game would lead me to believe that he would man up and take the reigns and try to be town mayor. The fact that he did that, given my perception that he would be timid as town, makes me think that he is town BECAUSE I don't think that a timid town instantly turns into an outspoken mafia. Rob, who all in this game have you coached. Me, ritoky, and? No one else. What's it matter? I was just curious. More of i was seeing if there was a connection between you and ritoky here. I find as a mafia partner with ritoky, you would point something out like this. You did coach him as town, why couldnt you coach him in mafia qt to be more outspoken as mafia... Just an observation i guess Cause I'm terrible at mafia and wouldn't be fit to give anyone advice on how to play the role.
Is that sarcasm?
Because you arent even near bad at mafia, hence this could be a thing you do.
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On May 31 2014 07:02 mtamburini wrote:
How about those reads you have bunnies? How well did they serve you this round? Probably shouldve RNG'd it at least I know I had a 50% chance of being right now that MZ flipped town.
## STATS
I think my reads are pretty good. If you look at my analysis in each of the three, you can understand where my head is at.
I was obviously wrong, but that still doesnt mean we should have rngd the lynch.
What if you rngd and landed on MZ?
Your rng would have been wrong. Just because you initially rngd the possible mafia, that doesnt make you right.
That makes you 50% likely to be right, now that MZ flipped town.
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On May 31 2014 07:28 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 07:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 31 2014 07:02 mtamburini wrote:
How about those reads you have bunnies? How well did they serve you this round? Probably shouldve RNG'd it at least I know I had a 50% chance of being right now that MZ flipped town.
## STATS I think my reads are pretty good. If you look at my analysis in each of the three, you can understand where my head is at. I was obviously wrong, but that still doesnt mean we should have rngd the lynch. What if you rngd and landed on MZ? Your rng would have been wrong. Just because you initially rngd the possible mafia, that doesnt make you right. That makes you 50% likely to be right, now that MZ flipped town. Your reads were not that good as you were wrong. If you noticed my most recent posts the RNG lynch in this group would be ROBIK But he is my towniest of all town in this group so I will not be voting on him. What do you have to say now about RNG lynches? There was thought into Ritoky vote it wasnt just RNG
If there was thought into the ritoky vote, i sure as hell didnt see it.
I may have been wrong, but atleast i am around trying to figure out the game, and giving reasons as to why someone is scummy and another is not.
In a game of mafia, you can be wrong,
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No one has commented in awhile, anyone around to talk?
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On May 31 2014 12:56 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 07:34 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 31 2014 07:28 mtamburini wrote:On May 31 2014 07:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 31 2014 07:02 mtamburini wrote:
How about those reads you have bunnies? How well did they serve you this round? Probably shouldve RNG'd it at least I know I had a 50% chance of being right now that MZ flipped town.
## STATS I think my reads are pretty good. If you look at my analysis in each of the three, you can understand where my head is at. I was obviously wrong, but that still doesnt mean we should have rngd the lynch. What if you rngd and landed on MZ? Your rng would have been wrong. Just because you initially rngd the possible mafia, that doesnt make you right. That makes you 50% likely to be right, now that MZ flipped town. Your reads were not that good as you were wrong. If you noticed my most recent posts the RNG lynch in this group would be ROBIK But he is my towniest of all town in this group so I will not be voting on him. What do you have to say now about RNG lynches? There was thought into Ritoky vote it wasnt just RNG If there was thought into the ritoky vote, i sure as hell didnt see it. I may have been wrong, but atleast i am around trying to figure out the game, and giving reasons as to why someone is scummy and another is not. In a game of mafia, you can be wrong, You cant have good reads if your wrong all the time, and RL >> this game unfortunately. Playing forum mafia doesnt pay the bills.
Im not wrong all the time, tamburini. I was wrong this once. And who knows, i could have the mafia pinned out from the rest of the cells. I dont know until we actually begin lynching.
Your right, it doesnt pay the bills, but you /in so actually play the game.
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On May 31 2014 12:58 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 12:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
No one has commented in awhile, anyone around to talk? I am here do you want to talk? I mean itll prob end up in us fighting but discussion is good.
Why you always wanna fight tambo. Cant we be civil just once? Im tired of fighting.
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