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gj prplhz, you looked pretty good. I'll probably try to read the thread tomorrow, if anyone feels like telling me important things, that'd be lovely too.
poofter: prplhz does what prplhz does. Any shot on Koshi earlyish in the game is bound to be terrible, but that's without having read anything he wrote or what you wrote about him. The rest will have to wait
I randomly read Foolish + gumshoe's filters earlier (before I told hosts I could replace in), was curious if/why anyone disagreed with Fool's main townreads, also gumshoe looked kinda ok based on who he pushed and such (shallow opinion though)
Whoever's town needs to keep their shit together - Wave I'm primarily talking to you :p (you were obviously a fool townread)
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Really should have tried to consolidate this, but I guess I have bed soon anyway - I'm aware we have a Ceph cop thing and that Slam is cleared through BH flipping red, but other than that i do not know roles, other than that poofter day-shot someone and so did Slam, and I remember seeing at some stage Vayne claiming he was something. So any compelling stuff like that that anyone fancies wasting a post on talking to me about would be fine too, i.e. compelling non-read reasons for anyone to be any alignment. Else I'll have to come across it myself.
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Palmar's stuff makes some sense, there's zero reason to say that two of the more universally accepted townie people (yes?) look like shit (and even explain why) if you also think there's a "billion people" to lynch ahead of them. If you think there's a billion people to lynch ahead of them then you don't really think they look scummy so it's all a bit unnecessary.
Something else to muse on tomorrow then :>
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At the bottom of page 37 and I'm taking a break. Brief observations, some useful some useless:
s&b lynch was T.T
Caller maybe is town, can't find the reason for him to be mafia right now. Also
On April 26 2014 22:25 Oatsmaster wrote: No, trading 1 for 1 is dumb and stupid for scum either way.
Firstly, Caller knows that this shit is totally not helpful for scum especially with no flips. Its way better to claim nuke and say its for a double lynch then nuke and nobody knows whether that dude was scum or not but caller gets cred. Thats just 1 example. Also, it doesnt even take Palmar out of the game and since Palmar's self-professed day 1 is his best, its arguably a waste of a nuke when palmar leaves his super sick list of scum. Caller had no idea what/how palmar would react to this.
Geript not seeing this and masking this lynch as a policy lynch is really bad, especially with the dude with the most votes not being able to shoot so thats a totally better policy vote/lynch than caller who has already shot. Its a 'townie' reaction but its not actually a townie reaction, lynch that shit.
On April 27 2014 00:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Well Palmar says he doesnt have a gun though.
What caller is doing if hes scum is totally outing himself, wasting his nuke on someone he has no idea is gonna play or not and essentially trading himself 1 for 1 especially with so much kp in the game someone is gonna shoot him. So fucking stupid it cant be scum. That is a legit heuristic. I could see scumCaller doing this day 2/3 but not now man come on. Also Palmar is not acting in a town-like fashion so yeah, evidence suggests that Caller is town and we dont kill townies. Get your votes off him and onto geript/Ace/All the promoters of Caller scum. I prefer geript though, Ace could be this boneheaded as town.
VE is related to this, will talk about further later
austin is extremely town for how he's pushed Oats and also done other stuff, will not reconsider
Palmar is likely to be town because his throwaway reads and comments have chimed with me, also sand was probably partly killed to implicate both Palmar/Fool.
Don't like Wave
On April 28 2014 09:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey, jerks. Time to consolidate. I'm not voting snb so if y'all don't think that sandroba essentially not caring about the game (I don't 100% buy the 'weekend' deal) is enough (and it usually is for him) then it's time to figure shit out and tell me who to sheep. Not a lot of sheepable people in this game right now imo
On April 28 2014 09:28 sandroba wrote: I'm back. @wos any reason why you are not considering oats in your post?
On April 28 2014 10:26 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 10:15 geript wrote: Here's the thing. I don't see any better wagon right now. Not having a lynch is 100% not acceptable. SnB is wagon of justice people. Do the right thing. Free smores to everyone who joins. ~21 Sorry luv muffin You're my bro and all, but I just don't think SnB is scum. I don't know what sandro's return to the thread makes me think, especially considering I was looking at Oats before he told me that's what I should be doing. Problem with Oats of course, being I can't read that guy worth a dick (was wrong about him for the first day or two in Catastrophe). If you had to lynch somebody who wasn't Oats (because apparently you don't think he's scum even though his filter admittedly looks real shit) and wasn't SnB, who would it be? ##Unvote Votes Oats later, but goes back to s&b. Not great.
Vayne is Vayne, seems more likely to come from town-Vayne because it's all kinda silly. Koshi also had him as totes town, I trust that read to an extent regardless of his alignment
Ace extremely nondescript
VE looks the worst to me out of anyone so far
On April 28 2014 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: strongandbig
I've exceeded my allotted post limit. I have my reservations about a strongandbig lynch, but I think Oats is town and we're out of options. Why is Oats town?
On April 28 2014 12:39 VisceraEyes wrote:I may be willing to switch to Oats, but SnB has been calling me scum and that's not the kind of sentiment I like hanging around /my/ town. Kinda flips his vote around a bit later, weakly. He also gets on Palmar's ass, weakly (day 2).
Agree with this
On April 27 2014 00:40 Koshi wrote: VE talking so much about this Caller business because VE is scum and he enjoys talking about something he is right on. I am extremely bored btw. You people should entertain me more.
On April 27 2014 05:41 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 00:40 Koshi wrote: VE talking so much about this Caller business because VE is scum and he enjoys talking about something he is right on. I am extremely bored btw. You people should entertain me more. Smart man. Included Palmar because that's an example of Palmar doing something I'd expect a townie to do, because I thought the same. If we lynched VE and VE flipped mafia, Caller is practically confirmed town. Worth noting that VE plopped a vote on Caller at some stage despite his many defences of Caller (reasoning: w/e)
One more interesting VE thing: he threatens yamato with shooting his brains out. He doesn't have that role apparently, but anyway, mafia-VE has threatened to shoot me before as well. Just a little thing.
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On May 09 2014 00:06 justanothertownie wrote: @marv: The thing is - do you see a reason for caller to be town? I mean I am not dead set on shooting him over people like VE or gumshoe but he was on like every wrong wagon and useless besides that. Also, I don't really see why people think VA is town and I won't sheep a day1 read from Koshi who was very wrong on many things this game. Just finished reading the thread.
Don't have great reasons for Caller to be town, but the Oats posts and his general attitude leave it as a possibility, and he is at least tied to players like Oats + VE, which means information can be gathered.
I think gumshoe is reasonably likely to be town. One reason is that he went quite hard on Oats at some point. Also BH went at him. The biggest reason, imo (connecting the two), is that gumshoe made a very very long post saying for a long time how his accuser, BH, was town. Having spent a bazillion words saying how his accuser was town, he then used this sidestep to... call Oats mafia instead. This seems like such an unlikely mindset/sequence for mafia to pull off. Why bother spending so much time saying how your accuser is not mafia (when he is your scumbuddy) only to call another scumbuddy mafia instead? Simpler explanation = he is town.
VA is quite possibly town because he keeps banging on about whatever his role is like a weirdo as if anyone ever gives a shit, but he just keeps on going on about it. Reminds me a bit of Hogwarts when he kept saying he was practically confirmed town for something role-related.
You should shoot Ace 100%. He has nothing tying him to anyone. His flip is meaningless in regards to anyone else's alignment. Town loses nothing by losing Ace, and we might just hit a mafia. There's no particularly good reason to think he's town or scum, and with a lack of other connecting information, he is essentially the perfect shot.
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"Note and understand" my opinion all you like, but if you shoot anyone not-Ace, I will have extremely bad feelings about you, as there is zero reason to shoot outside of Ace.
Re: gumshoe, yes you're right it's possible he did not know that BH was mafia, but the whole post still seems like a stretch even so.
I may as well just list everyone in the game and how I feel about them, might help other people maybe? and give some structure:
Alakaslam/marvelhz/austinmcc Slam for obvious reasons. austin likely ate a martyr protection, mafia wasting a hit on the totally useless Odin seems like quite the stretch. Also Oats stuff. Just town.
jat, tehpoofter, Palmar, gumshoe, Vayne It's possible that someone in this list is not town, it's just a useful catch-all grouping. I'll explain a bit more anyways
jat: said wait for Koshi's alignment, good boy. Votes Oats over s&b, townpoints. Townpoints for being first to attack BH's gumshoe case. Said he would read Foolish post tomorrow -> does it right then and responds, townpoints. Promised to shoot day 2 but didn't, meh. That's what I have written down; further Foolish was pretty sure jat was town, and jat has kinda seemed too prickly to be mafia.
tehpoofter: Another strong Fool townread. Bad shot on Koshi, despite lots of the thread telling him not to. That gives him negative points. But a string of things made me think he might be town. Something Oats said that stupidly I did not save, but I wrote down that it makes him lightly town (helpful I know). Said quite clearly that he preferred seeing an Oats flip and shooting elsewhere, when if tehpoofter was mafiavigi contemplating shooting an Oats who was suspicious to most of the thread, he could easily have hidden Oats' flip without much biteback. So townish? Oh yah, also:
On April 30 2014 08:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Whats with all these lurkers coming back and calling me scum???
So many sheeples.
Poofter why do you keep pussyfooting around about shooting a dude? Shoot or dont, dont wave your gun around trying to scare people. Suggests poof is town
gumshoe/Vayne: already commented why. In addition to Vayne's rolestuff, his play has never suggested TMI which it can do as mafia.
Palmar: eeeesh. it's possible he's just shitting around the thread as mafia. actually quite possible. don't think it's the case though. used his Pardoner thing in possibly the least town-credit-grubbing way possible. So gives him townpoints. Also as mentioned in my first post, just a lot of little reads and comments that chimed with me. So leaning town.
Caller, Ace, Wave
So I'm semi-plumping for Wave to be town, despite what Palmar has written (which I feel makes sense). There are decent reasons he could be mafia though, what Palmar wrote, how he dealt with Oats/s&b on day 1, general apathy. So I dunno. Caller's been pretty wacky and weird with his play, irrelevant but also kinda needlessly putting himself out there I guess. As before, Oats posts maybe suggest he is town, also maybe VE stuff too. Ace: nothing.
I'd like to lynch VisceraEyes. I find little redeeming in his filter. Refer to my first post for general other reasons. Nothing much changed after page 37.
On May 01 2014 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi everyone! So I'm looking at Palmar, Alakaslam, Cephiro. Palmar for reasons Ace brought up and convinced me of - at first I thought he was townily fucking off and townily blew his load, but after reconsideration I just don't think Palmar does what he does as town. He could maybe convince me he's town through his play, but he certainly hasn't done it today. I realize he's said he's busy. That's nice, I'm busy too. I didn't pardon someone for no reason other than to use my power before I die though. Palmar did. Alakaslam has that really weird shot on Yam. Notice I didn't say bad - yamato was literally asking to be shot, and wasn't playing the game. It wasn't a BAD shot. It was a WEIRD shot. Like, I don't care what he says, the townie response to "Hey list of seven people - I'm going to shoot one of you" is NOT "BANG FUCK YOU NO YOU'RE NOT". Coupled with the fact that he's unrepentantly sheeping after Caller on me and doing nothing but defend himself and it's pretty cut and dry imo. Cephiro is mainly a respect suspect. geript died on N1, which is different, so I'm going to pay attention to his reads. He wanted Cephiro dead. When he said "Vigi shoot Cephiro" this was Cephiro's response: Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 07:07 Cephiro wrote:On April 29 2014 07:04 geript wrote:On April 29 2014 07:01 Cephiro wrote: Mason group please recruit me. That's all for tonight. You've made what... 1 post. Fuck that idea. Vigi shoot Ceph. That will solve the problem. Now I've made two. There is no "problem". A vig shot on me would be a waste with much better targets around. No mention of who those targets are, just that they exist. I don't like this. Further goes on to promise that we should have a better idea about him today. I don't, just want to lynch more. My order of lynches is just so: Palmar>Alakaslam>Cephiro. I would lynch any of them to achieve a lynch and would feel like a good wholesome person doing so. This post is generically weak. Just 3 meh candidates, never really followed up.
This one is just for funsies, not real evidence:
On May 03 2014 05:47 Blazinghand wrote: I like #2. It makes a lot of sense. If Cephiro's really the cop, he'll have another check tomorrow. We can have him check someone we're very sure is town (like VE) for calibration. If he's really the cop, he might get shot, but if that's the case then we have a 50% chance of lynching the scum in Ceph/Bh/Slam rather than a 33% chance. Even better, if he's NOT the cop, he won't get two mislynches, just one. For example, let's say he checks VE and gets SAME. Since we can be very sure VE is town, we lynch Blazinghand, and when Blazinghand flips town, we lynch Ceph next rather than lynching Slam.
I'm sure that no matter how I rage I am still just a rat in a cage if you guys decide to lynch me, it's because you won't listen to reason, and after I flip you'll end up lynching slam anyways before lynching ceph. The important thing is that ceph claims his third check BEFORE I flip. If we lynch me today, Ceph can just claim he checked VE and got DIFFERENT and people will lynch oats too.
If Ceph checks VE before we lynch into me/slam, though, things get much more interesting. His charade will be harder to maintain. And if he's really the pcop? We have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Today was a shit day for a pcop to claim anyways (as I'm sure you're now all realizing...) Really wacky that BH chose VE here.
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On May 09 2014 00:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and hey marv at the end of Survivor series you said you now knew how to tell if I was scum. What's with the wiffle waffle on that?
The wiffle waffle is because that's where I stand. I'd love to feign certainty or even be certain, and asking me about it won't get you very far.
Marv 2 questions (though I probably can't follow up until later) a) Your poofter/Oats interaction business is fairly compelling actually, though I had him as a massive scumread after that one pre-deadline post on BH I mentioned. What did you think of that?
b) Is VA likely to be convinced by me and acquiesce to vote for Foolishness after what he said earlier about Foolishness being town, AND knowing VA usually does what he wants, how he wants it? I'm still leaning town on VA but these things are slightly contradictory.
a) it didn't ping me that much and I kinda glossed over you going at him for it repeatedly (partly because in my head poof was townish by then maybe). poof is a weird one, his filter is even shorter than I thought it would be. It would be much easier if he was town though. Looking again, I do see what you're getting at, but there's also the simple he's being verbose as town explanation for that post. Possibly.
b) don't see that as particularly indicative either way. VA can just as well be a stubborn motherfucker as mafia as well.
Anyway, ##Vote: VisceraEyes
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On May 09 2014 01:28 Palmar wrote: If I lynch VE today with you, will you lynch WoS tomorrow?
Lynching VE is a bit of a hobby of mine anyway. Well, I can't make any promises :>
The thing about Wave, is that certainly to an extent he's right - he can be pretty negative. I *can* see him bitching out at jat/austin as town, even though he shouldn't. The townie narrative of "well fuck we lynched townFool. Our townie looking players (austin/jat) were pushing him, so now even they look worse. Everything's gone to poop" is at least believable
When you're on Day 5, every player, including mafia, is probably going to have some things in their filter that I find townie. Partly because I like finding things townie. Wave has quite a few things scattered here and there that I don't really care to go looking for unless it looks like it's quite likely he'll be lynched, in which case I will discuss them to see if you/other people agree. VE has amazingly few "this looks townie" posts to me. The least of everyone I think (bar Ace).
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On May 09 2014 09:15 austinmcc wrote:We're not lynching VE. His first couple bits in the QT: Immediately starts asking Fool/BH if they're okay with each other Show nested quote +Okay, having read this thang I only have one question for both of you:
Are you fine with the other one? As in, you've spent time together in here, do you feel like the other is trustworthy?
I assume the answer is yes based on what's been said in thread and in here but I want to make sure before we go further. Starts poking them about reads, doesn't get why Foolishness wants to lynch RoL on D2 (looking more at Caller/Palmar, and doing so by 'splainin' himself AND pestering Fool/BH about their reads on the two, why they have em, etc.) has 1800000000 options to call people scummy. Doesn't do says. Says gumshoe posting is different from gumshoe's normal play, but not townie/scummy for him. Pokes BH because BH wants to lynch Gumshoe, but also is okay lynching Oats (who is pushing Gumshoe). Calls BH scum in a joking way for that, in a way that reads townie. Blah blah. Also I'm super duper convinced by him kinda sorta pushing me but not really. His posts in thread, and a couple in QT, read like he is confused about me, a little worried. He's...not sure if I'm town or not, but there's no malice behind it, there's no purpose like "I'm gonna lynch your ass pew pew pew." It's "wtf is up I thought this and that and why aren't you doing x, because I think you should be doing x as town, are you not town? Uh oh." ----> AND THEN HE ASKS ME STUFF AND WHATNOT, INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING I'M SCUM AND DRAWING BAD ASCII PICTURES AND TALKING ABOUT ABBA LIKE SOME OTHER JERK HAS BEEN DOING. Anywho, VE is not mafia. Please try again. none of this says why VE is town. Please try again
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also poofter, dunno what drugs you're smoking but prplhz was mega town. He had opinions and pushed stuff and said stuff. That alone makes prp 99% town. You should check out his scumgames.
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On May 09 2014 09:50 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 09:40 marvellosity wrote: also poofter, dunno what drugs you're smoking but prplhz was mega town. He had opinions and pushed stuff and said stuff. That alone makes prp 99% town. You should check out his scumgames. The good kind of course. The part that stuck out to me was his push on Foolishness the day that Ceph came out. I just can't understand how that is townie. Austin seemed to think so too so maybe I'm just missing it but he seemed to not care at all like he already knew the info. Can you explain why that push was townie? He also was tunneling Foolish the day Oats got lynched. Thats my hold up with him/you because your posts have all seemed townie but he was off to me. I haven't seen his or your scum games though so I can speak to neither and people talk about you being really good so if he was playing bad scum you could be playing good scum. Also What do you make of Ace's interaction with Palmer? and Caller's "everyone mass claim"? I wish we could shoot both of them tbh. I feel like Ace is trying to buddy Palmer after pushing him for days and Caller says not a lot for the whole game then says "hey can a bunch of roles out that would be nice" Can some of the quite people please seem town you can't all be scum? Thanks 3rd. Ok I'm only going to reply to this once, because it's a waste of my posts that I'm totally not wasting on other things like popcorns. The push on Foolish when Ceph had his claims is practically the towniest thing in his entire filter (other than said generic reasons which i mentioned) and it makes me sad that you don't understand why. Again with the background, prplhz = lurky, useless, does nothing scumplayer (to be fair, he does it as town also, but always as mafia)... anyway prplhz wanting to lynch Fool in general is just a read, lots of people wanted to lynch Foolish. Wanting to lynch Foolish on the day of the cop checks, well that's just unbelievably townie. There is literally zero chance a player like prplhz would stick his neck out and quite forcefully and repeatedly say we should be lynching Foolishness when there's a cop check. He would (and almost any mafia would) want to lynch into the cop claims. Because town is 100% going to lynch into the cop claims, so you're just drawing attention to yourself. You're suggesting a mafia prplhz, known for his passiveness (you don't need to know this), vehemently suggests lynching a town Foolishness in a situation where Foolishness can't possibly get lynched, in order to look terrible later when Fool flips town. It's ludicrous and you should be able to see why this is ludicrous. Engage yo brain.
I think I've made it quite clear what i make of Ace. Caller's "mass claim" is silly, and not in any particular way, although I'd lean slightly town from it maybe, for the simple reason towns never massclaim when some random dude with no influence goes "let's all claim", while on the other hand it's a guarantee when some dude does that that at least one person in town goes "wow what a terrible, scummy idea". Effectively there's no upside to a mafia with no thread influence suggesting a massclaim because town will not do it and he will look weird for not doing it. The flipside (and why it's not a strong townlean for that) is that a mafia can just say "yolo let's suggest this"
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ok austin, I'll have this lynch without you, I don't need you. None of your defences suggest anything mafia-VE wouldn't do, in fact the things you are reading as townie are not in fact townie.
Active in QT -> doesn't have to be active in the thread, has to play with less people Chat with Ace -> ??? just a nothing. Has looked to solve the game while he wasn't afk -> literally totally untrue. He's done the opposite of that. He's not tried to solve anything. See 3-scumread post I quoted. Literally the opposite of trying to solve anything. Refusing to answer why he has an unexplained townread on Oats -> yep, definitely not townie Caller stuff -> likes to be right, ends up just going with the flow of the thread anyway (which was policy Caller). So he wants to be right and then caves to the path of least resistance because the thread says so. No bollocks.
Then his response to his case on me = "I am going to find mafia!" ----> "marv is mafia for no other reason than he thinks I am mafia" ----> "please guise vote for this dude, even though I have taken the really easy way out of doing no work and just omgus marv"
If you really think VE is a bad target, you're better off spending your time finding a good other target, because currently your defences are making me think VE is more likely to be mafia, because if these are the best reasons for VE to be town, then they're appalling.
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On May 09 2014 11:46 Tehpoofter wrote: @Marv I see what you mean about the prphlz thing. Although the fact BH was traitor is the only worrisome part. If he wasn't recruited and scumprphlz doesn't know which side will end up town so he says that initially and then just goes on whoever has the most vote and hopes it the town and not the traitor. Idk I'm not really thinking you're a target for today but I just want it out there for later days if we have to make harder decisions than "which of these scummy people is most scummy?" which is what it feels like to me today.
@austin so the thing on VE that is hard for those of us not in the QT is that is all we have to go off whats posted in the thread. Can you maybe read Ve's filter from just in game and tell me what part makes him town? Like look at it from an outside perspective. I realize I'm using some of the QT stuff and its kinda compounding/confirming what I'm reading in thread maybe I just have confirmation bias. I'll do the same and see where I end up.
@Slam I realize this could easily be wasted but please save this in case we need to do some vote changes or what have you. ##Donate: 2 posts to Alakaslam yeah, I rescind my townread on you.
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On May 09 2014 12:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 12:08 Tehpoofter wrote: @austin I posted it in one of other posts but can you link me to some of the townie posts you have for VE that are from the thread and not the QT. I feel like a lot of your argument is from things happening in the QT and not things in the thread.
@VE So who else is with marv/prphlz? Which of the lurkers do you find the most scummy?
6 posts 2 given Poof I don't care. Right now we need to lynch marv/prplhz because he's literally claiming scum by going after me so hard right now. I'm like confirmed town, he's a jackass if he's town. And he's not a jackass, marv is easily one of the best town players I know. And he's wrong about me. PAY NO MIND to the fact that he's prplhz and prplhz is one of the scummiest players in the thread, marv is the best lynch today by far. I'll discuss lurkers when marv dies. Maybe by then they won't be lurkers anymore eh? If you can tell me why you're confirmed town or even quite townie, I'm all ears. Go for it.
Because I read the whole fucking game in 2 sittings for this shit-ass town and I'm not gonna get called terrible for coming to a conclusion just because you're butthurt I've called you mafia (no matter your alignment)
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On May 09 2014 18:48 Tehpoofter wrote: @marv what made you change your mind on me? Is it because I said I thought you might be scummy based on your predecessor? Like aren't you above that kind of "this guy called me mafia so he is mafia" level of play? What do you think that the moment you call me not town Palmer hops up to agree with you?
No, it's bang on my level of play. I regularly lynch and kill people pushing suspicion on me for no reason. Apart from anything else, it's enjoyable.
I see what you mean about the prphlz thing. Although the fact BH was traitor is the only worrisome part. If he wasn't recruited and scumprphlz doesn't know which side will end up town so he says that initially and then just goes on whoever has the most vote and hopes it the town and not the traitor. Idk I'm not really thinking you're a target for today but I just want it out there for later days if we have to make harder decisions than "which of these scummy people is most scummy?" which is what it feels like to me today. This is a terrible, nonsensical way of trying to disprove what I said about prplhz pushing Fool, in a way that just leaves the door open for you to find me suspicious later on, when you should be able to grasp that an unremarkable mafiaplayer like prplhz would never stick his neck out and firmly try to lynch outside of the cop claims.
You've basically waffled some bad, non-existent scenario about prplhz deciding to go for Foolishness and then later go on someone else. It makes no sense - a normal mafiaplayer just goes for the cop checks first without going through a charade. And your suggestion is even more ludicrous in that prplhz said that Foolishness was "100% scum" and listed a whole bunch of scenarios listing how we should lynch Fool. i.e. there was no way he was ever hopping on to another candidate, you should be able to read that, the fact you haven't/don't understand that means you're either terrible or suspicious, and by default I prefer to think suspicious.
Palmar has a sexy beard, of course he's gonna agree with me.
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On May 09 2014 18:48 Tehpoofter wrote: With that point in mind I'd like to hear from VE/Marv/WoS who should Jat shoot today? Should he shoot? I'll go first. I think Caller is my preferred shot because of his lack of interest in the game/ability to figure it out. Ace being a close second because of the way he has interacted with Palmer in that He is scum he is scum he is scum then nvm he gave me Dota shit he must be town. Gumshoe would be a kill you make instead of the mod at this point. I have stated repeatedly and firmly, with reasoning, who jat should be shooting, so the fact you're asking me this question is, again, ridiculous.
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I was referring to the poofter thingy, dear. VE isn't really particularly close to 100% mafia to me either, but he seems like the best option to me (note - in my original formatting he was in red, but not bold red. Bold is for when I'm preeeetty sure. I could be making that up but I'm pretty sure it's true if anyone wanted to research my games, which they won't, because it's so unimportant). Could probably yolo-lynch Ace as well, maybe poofter for being silly.
And then there's the fact that VE's pissy vote on me will make lynching him pleasurable no matter his flip.
#invested #caresabouttheresult #100%town
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There is 100% scum between Ace and VE, I just don't know which. Ace's last post makes me pretty certain of this.
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On May 09 2014 20:35 Ace wrote: jesus does everything need to be spelled out around here? re-read end of Day 1 into Night 1. Austin is the towniest player here. Alakaslam confirmed Town via Cop check.
Kaboom brahs!
WoS saying marv more town than Austin is fishy because he would have to forget or willingly sheep his vote to someone with no cares given for this to happen. Why Wos is sheeping marv so easily? Because Wos is houze servant.
Caller is Caller. Okz. Pro.
VE is catching heat because...no idea. Apparently his behavior in the QT wasn't good enough :'(
Now that I've laid out how shit looks the last 20 pages we're gonna vote the way I say we vote. You guys are bullshitting.
##vote marv for making the game boring and talking nonsense. GTFO. This is not the post a townie makes.
I'm "talking nonsense"? Apparently you disagree with my read on VE - that's fine. You're not the only one, and hey, maybe I'm wrong. But everything in the massive bolded part is stuff I essentially agree with, often quite explicitly.
I've glossed over Caller with Caller being Caller, just like you. I explicitly stated in both catchup posts that austin was extremely townie and I would not reconsider, due to Oats stuff + surrounding (ergo, end of day 1 into night 1). So essentially Ace agrees with all my reads except for VE, and I'm talking nonsense. No.
With regards to the blue text, it's totally unnecessary and makes it seem like he's spouting the damn truth unto the town. Except he's not, within the last few pages I've explicity said exactly that about austin and Slam. austin and Slam were my two "bold greens" (other than myself). So why is he laying down the fucking truth that's already been laid down by... the person who is spouting nonsense?
Further VE could either be town or mafia in this scenario, if VE is town and Ace calculates I can get him lynched, he's setting up to push me hard after. Either that or VE is mafia and Ace is protecting him.
Either way this is not the post that a townie makes, he's discrediting me for no reason despite re-iterating what I've already said and only disagreeing on VE. There is zero reason Ace should be voting me here. Also interesting is how passive Ace was up to now when I was suggesting he should be shot. No witty* retort, or sarcastic putdown. Just biding his time for this.
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Nice dodge
Time to die
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On May 09 2014 00:20 Caller wrote: im guessing marvel is town from that post. TIs all.
On May 09 2014 21:51 Caller wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: marvellosity
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On May 09 2014 23:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 17:50 marvellosity wrote:On May 09 2014 12:50 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 09 2014 12:08 Tehpoofter wrote: @austin I posted it in one of other posts but can you link me to some of the townie posts you have for VE that are from the thread and not the QT. I feel like a lot of your argument is from things happening in the QT and not things in the thread.
@VE So who else is with marv/prphlz? Which of the lurkers do you find the most scummy?
6 posts 2 given Poof I don't care. Right now we need to lynch marv/prplhz because he's literally claiming scum by going after me so hard right now. I'm like confirmed town, he's a jackass if he's town. And he's not a jackass, marv is easily one of the best town players I know. And he's wrong about me. PAY NO MIND to the fact that he's prplhz and prplhz is one of the scummiest players in the thread, marv is the best lynch today by far. I'll discuss lurkers when marv dies. Maybe by then they won't be lurkers anymore eh? If you can tell me why you're confirmed town or even quite townie, I'm all ears. Go for it. Because I read the whole fucking game in 2 sittings for this shit-ass town and I'm not gonna get called terrible for coming to a conclusion just because you're butthurt I've called you mafia (no matter your alignment) I don't need to, evidence of this is all over the thread. This is all you're saying all day long "Prove to me that you're town" but I don't have to because I /am/ town and there's evidence of it all over the thread. That you don't agree is irrelevant, but you're arguing that it means that I'm scum in such a way that it brooks no argument because it's based on your opinion. Nothing I say is going to change your mind because I've said everything already. There's reasoning for every single one of my suspicions in the thread. That you're arguing with austin so much about why I'm scum is what makes me so certain. I didn't even /really/ think you were scum before, just wrong. But the way you're arguing with austin about it makes it like PAINFULLY OBVIOUS that you're scum here. No one is butthurt, I'm just making observations over here. I asked you once why you're townie... if once = "all day long" then go you. I understand reading is a difficult task. Anyway I'm done. marv argues with people (esp. austin who I always argue with) about his scumreads? NEWSFLASH. THIS IS UNEXPECTED PLAY.
There's reasoning for every single one of my suspicions in the thread. Because only townies always provide reasoning? What is this? You know I can delve into any of your towngames and pull out scumreads you pulled out your ass, don't even deny it.
Effectively what you're telling me is that you didn't think I was mafia before, so when you were under pressure from a case from me, you simply omgused me in lieu of actually bothering to find mafia, and conveniently now later you "really" think I'm mafia.
Incidentally you know prplhz well enough to know he would never play a mafiagame like this.
If you're town, god help me. You're a god-damn shell of the man you once were.
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On May 09 2014 01:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually fuck that, will just find scum and not get lynched. BBL.
On May 09 2014 03:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually if marv actually thinks I'm scum then
##Vote: marvelosity
EZ game EZ life.
On May 09 2014 23:17 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't even /really/ think you were scum before, just wrong. Such play What effort So townie
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You called me a jackass already, and you're lecturing me on ad hom? Seriously?
And slip? Seriously? Your point was "I have reasoning for all my reads therefore I am town"
I am saying "I can find games where you are town (like this one supposedly) and show you scumreads you pull out your ass"
So... bad... :<
To recap - you said you'd go away and find mafia, and in lieu of doing so you omgused me with no effort required, and now I've "proven" the slot is mafia. If I somehow get lynched, you will die, and so will Ace. And I will hit mafia in you two, if not both, guaranteed.
Think I'm just about out of posts.
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On April 28 2014 13:06 strongandbig wrote: I honestly hope town loses.
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Important Lynch List you must follow when I Die
Dead players Alive players Misc.
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marv definitely the best lynch.
Then you can also lynch my scumbuddies VE and Ace.
List of Clever Townies you should Listen to when I Die:
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lol shit, Slam may actually be the best person to lead town.
What a delicious thought.
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yeah, definitely don't lynch Wave this game. If he is mafia, I want him to win quite hard. *brofist*
So my list earlier was kinda incorrect. Wave and Slam should not be on the lynch list.
ace/ve/caller/poof good lynches. Palmar's a good lynch regardless of his alignment.
Town really shit the bed this game. A buttload of "illustrious" players casting around not playing. One good lynch through austin, and one cop check. One awful lynch on the monumentally townie s&b (sandroba: I am 99.9% sure s&b is town), one lynch on a town Foolishness making sense, and one lynch on prplhz who played one of his towniest games and a marvellosity who quite clearly read the whole thread, pulled things from all over it and gave detailed reasoning on every player.
It is actually amazing.
Also you better lynch me because I might smash through my post count limit, and having 5 posts tomorrow would be *so* boring.
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jat, stfu if you won't just fucking shoot Ace. Christ.
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On May 10 2014 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote: He attacked VE and claims he gave detailed reasoning. His reasoning is "prove to me he's town". Like wtf JAT? You're buying this shit? clearly you've simply not bothered to read my posts. that was zero of why i think you are mafia, and the fact you're saying so is ludicrous.
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why on earth would I vote gumshoe when there are plenty of actual good scum candidates? what kind of question is that?
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On May 10 2014 11:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Just in case modkills don't flip
##Unvote ##Vote: gumshoe
Marv better blow me away tomorrow. Such resistance to lynch. ahahahahahahaha
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That no-lynch was amazing though.
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On May 10 2014 10:01 Palmar wrote: For shooting koshi.
I don't want to lynch marv yet, but I also don't want to sheep him on VE.
So to me it comes down to WoS or poofter. poofter had a random vote on him, so fuck it, let's go with that. I was voting Ace, you scrub.
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it's like no-one in this game actually reads what other people write.
Fear not, I am joining your ranks, I skipped over half the posts of the last 4 pages. But so many players are guilty of simply missing or totally misrepresenting things that other people have said. It's remarkable.
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This postcount limit shit is so dumb.
Not the fact there is one, but the way it's been implemented.
So gumshoe the megalurker made a few too many posts at night and now has fewer today? What on earth is the point? It's not like he is constantly breaking the post-limit and needs to be brought into line with a further restriction.
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so yeah. I'm not going to vote gumshoe. Still think there's a pretty decent chance he is town (less sure than yesterday but whatevs) and if town really wants to lynch him they don't need me to do it
Ace->Poofter->VE in that order I guess.
I still think VE could be mafia, his response to my case was terrible, the fact he characterises my continued push on him as "proving" that I am mafia is terrible - he knows this is quite how I go about things, and it most certainly doesn't prove I'm mafia. Just awful really. But literally all of town is telling me he probably aint mafia, so I have to accept I might be wrong. Sad times.
Poofter's rationale and comments on me throughout the game have really been atrocious. Dunno why he doesn't take 2 minutes to go look at prplhz's scumgames himself as he keeps asking people. I don't know how he can genuinely believe with any certainty I am mafia, and jat took apart the Ace-marv theory quite nicely - seems to suggest that he's not really thinking about the game properly.
Ace cos Ace. And what I said about him before. And confirmed town hero Slam thinks he is mafia. Confirmed. Scum town hero confirmed mafia Ace die.
##Vote: Ace
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On May 12 2014 02:26 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:So many awful nightkill speculations in this thread. STOP IT. Just scumhunt the old fashioned way please. On May 11 2014 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote: If I am scum I don't shoot Austin and leave myself alone in a useless qt. I don't shoot the one person hard defending me. Scum CONFIRMED me as town today. Factor that in ladies. Means I could be wrong about Marv for one. Means some other stuff too, but I won't spoil the surprise. Anyone would have shot austin as scum. It does not tell us ANYTHING about you. Why do you think it means you could be wrong about marv? On May 11 2014 17:59 marvellosity wrote: This postcount limit shit is so dumb.
Not the fact there is one, but the way it's been implemented.
So gumshoe the megalurker made a few too many posts at night and now has fewer today? What on earth is the point? It's not like he is constantly breaking the post-limit and needs to be brought into line with a further restriction. If you are town I beg you just play the game today (don't waste posts too much like this, don't go emo). You are definitely still able to solve this game from your position and if you try do that you probably get the added bonus of being shot soon. On May 11 2014 19:35 Palmar wrote: ##vote marvellosity
For not getting shot. please make your defense. Seriously? On May 12 2014 00:44 gumshoe wrote: If you, Vayne, were a super blue role, theres no way you would so casually out yourself if you were under the notion that your role was now MORE important than it was before. You assumed day vig was green, which means we can rule out that your day vig, we can also say your not a martyr because that role shows up as green. As for outed blue roles, we saw a pardoner, a parity, a mason and murica.
Which means your probably one of the following if your telling the truth, hero, jail keeper, paramedic. If your para or jail, why are you still alive? No one really wants to lynch you (except caller, whose dead) so your a pretty hard mislynch. You also copped to bieng a blue LAST NIGHT. Why was austin shot instead of you? If your a hero trying to bait shots, scum can still nk you no problem. Point is, no matter what, nking you is a safe likely profitable action.
Lastly, if your are any of these roles (especially jail or para) why would you call scums attention to yourself? If your hero you LOWER the odds of you getting shot with your blatant advertising.
It makes no sense, far more likely your scum with some hidden knowledge that made you think everyone was a day vig.
Listen townies, I know I'm a bad sort, I lurked until the very last moment and then posted a wall of text and a ninjaish vote. Problem is I do this as town T_T. If you wanna campaign for a better tl, with players who play to win and respect their fellows, do it in the ban list thread. If you wanna win here and now, vote Vayne, dudes totes scummers.
We did not see an outed blue pardoner, mason or murica. Mason was scum and the others didn't flip (who is the one with hidden knowledge here?). The reason why Vayne is not paramedic or jailkeeper is NOT that he is still alive (what an idiotic reasoning - scum doesn't know which blue role he is) but that austin died tonight and martyrs died before. He would have gotten a save already. Killing VA does make sense for scum at some point but he is obviously not threatening to them with his role or in general. Austin was a much better shot. Not saying Vayne is town but your reasoning is crap. You do this as town? WHY? Do you take pleasure in annoying everyone else on your team? In making them lose? Great. I really hope you are scum. ##Vote: gumshoe caller= murica Palmer= pardoner mason = blazing I highly doubt wed have scum/blue doubles of these roles 0_0 Vayne claims hes hero, which makes no sense, why would he be so obvious about it? What he did is probally the worst way to bait a shot -_-. But I get that your so busy confirming your bias against me that you cant see that. Look at the guys filter, he wants to look like hes trying, but he never backs up his reads makes one liners galore. sigh you know that is literally what he does, right?
I lynched him in survivor because he had a bunch of reads that i asked him about 10x and he only responded on the 10th time with a half-assed case and i lynched him for it
he flipped town
can you do better than this?
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On May 12 2014 04:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Poofter looks as though he has been overcompensating for something throughout the entire game. Marv I appreciate your reads but I think you understand me and why I'm doing what I'm doing even if it means we may lose. Actually there's the opportunity to form an unholy alliance of people who actually want to win the game, a la marv-JAT-Wave-Slam type thing (fingers crossed this list is town of course), but I can't stop you policying your way through the day and I don't particularly fancy trying to argue with you about it.
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About tehpoofter.
On May 06 2014 20:26 Tehpoofter wrote: Slightly scummy: Va, Caller
Scummers: Ace, Prphlz, Ve
poof when I came in thought my posts looked pretty townie, he said so himself, and he was clearly interested in my VE case. So a few days ago he had ace/prplhz/VE as mafia, I come in with a case on VE.
The only thing VE really does is lazily omgus me instead of making any effort. Magically it ends up turning into:
On May 11 2014 07:41 Tehpoofter wrote: Town: Tehpoofter Slam Austin Jat VE
Questions: WoS Palmer VA
Mafia: Marv Gum Ace prplhz(marv) + Ace still mafia (even though I started pushing Ace quite hard) and VE has magically become town because I started pushing him
Even though in quote #1 we are all mafia together. So by virtue of one mafia pushing another, one mafia becomes town and the other remains mafia bussing his other mafiabuddy
I don't see how poof moves VE from mafia to town just because VE omguses me, when poof thought VE was mafia before and poof was interested in my push on VE (although wiffle waffling about it). This VE evolution is so nonsensical
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gonna waste another post, ugh
Cause I had a pretty decent scum read on prphlz but Marv seems really town its hard to think they're the same "person" in the game cause htye seem like different alignments to me.
I am slightly scared of Marv becuase he looks focused on finding scum seems like hes read up on things which reads townie to me but I've heard that he is very good.
I think of VE/Marv/WoS ... WoS is the least likely to be mafia.
So Prphlz to me seemed scummy I asked marv when he first joined to address some posts (I can look it up but its in mine and his filter and I want to get my thoughts out since we don't have a lot of time) He did answer them fairly well it seemed townie. Prphlz to me seemed mafia and Marv seemed more town until he made a couple of derogatory posts at the end. like his one that says "nice" and the whole list of town thing.
Marv for me was looking town with his entrance but I really feel like the Vote he did on VE kinda saying he was scum for calling him scum + the WiFOM action of VE/ACE I quoted don't seem townie to me. So a few days ago (as per post above) prplhz and VE are mafia together.
So I come in, and as you can quite clearly see, I look much townier than prplhz apparently did. You would think the natural reaction if one of your scumreads makes a case on another of your scumreads, and the scumread making the case is looking much townier, that you'd think you'd make a mistake on the one who is sounding townier (marv) and VE is actually the mafia. But somehow it twists that of the two scumreads, the one who looked much townier gets it wrong because he said something wifom? and so the scumread who looked scummy throughout (VE) ended up as a townread and the scumread who came in looking townie (marv) ended up as scum, and indeed his vote.
I included quote 3 out of 5 there because VE is apparently still a suspect there Last quote I included because it's maximum bullshittery and it should be obvious to anyone reading it that it's maximum bullshittery
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On May 12 2014 07:45 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you not hear the part about me being wrong about marv? And I'm not sleeping anyone. I have my own reasons for wanting to lynch Ace. Mostly YOLO, but there are other reasons. That's nice and all but where are those reasons? What point is there in holding them back? All you have done this game is screaming "I AM TOWN I AM TOWN I AM SO TOWN CONFIRMED TOWN WHAT YOU SCUMREAD ME? YOU SCUM! I AM TOWN!" and next to nothing else. The only reason I am hesitant on scumreading you is that austin and Foolishness townread you for reasons that I can't check myself. So, do you want to say anything? No? @Marv: Let's say I have this urge to lynch Poofter right now since our little discussion. How would you convince me that we should lynch Ace first? I wouldn't. I certainly ain't leading this town. I'd like to lynch Ace. I'd also like to lynch poofter. If x,y,z said "let's lynch poofter" I'd say "oki doki"
I should probably try to meta him although this blasted postcount limit makes it hard. I was pretty sure he was town in Catastrophe (dunno if you remember, but i was quite anti-lynching him when his name was brought up at the end of day 1) because i knew he was mafia in the ongoing Cell game and his play looked quite different. Unfortunately reduced posting reduces some of that effectiveness, might give it a go tomorrow though. His filter really is very short though. The infirmed prplhz (bless his soul) *still* has 2 more pages than poof does... me no likey.
I'm coming around on VE being town, for slight gameplay reasons i can't describe, but mainly because a) if VE is town, I can say I listened to other people and came around on VE like a good, civilised townie b) if VE is mafia after all, I can blame everyone for talking me out of it
it's really win win.
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On May 12 2014 08:51 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 08:38 marvellosity wrote:On May 12 2014 07:45 justanothertownie wrote:On May 12 2014 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you not hear the part about me being wrong about marv? And I'm not sleeping anyone. I have my own reasons for wanting to lynch Ace. Mostly YOLO, but there are other reasons. That's nice and all but where are those reasons? What point is there in holding them back? All you have done this game is screaming "I AM TOWN I AM TOWN I AM SO TOWN CONFIRMED TOWN WHAT YOU SCUMREAD ME? YOU SCUM! I AM TOWN!" and next to nothing else. The only reason I am hesitant on scumreading you is that austin and Foolishness townread you for reasons that I can't check myself. On May 12 2014 07:07 Ace wrote: ##donate 10 posts to marv So, do you want to say anything? No? @Marv: Let's say I have this urge to lynch Poofter right now since our little discussion. How would you convince me that we should lynch Ace first? I wouldn't. I certainly ain't leading this town. I'd like to lynch Ace. I'd also like to lynch poofter. If x,y,z said "let's lynch poofter" I'd say "oki doki" I should probably try to meta him although this blasted postcount limit makes it hard. I was pretty sure he was town in Catastrophe (dunno if you remember, but i was quite anti-lynching him when his name was brought up at the end of day 1) because i knew he was mafia in the ongoing Cell game and his play looked quite different. Unfortunately reduced posting reduces some of that effectiveness, might give it a go tomorrow though. His filter really is very short though. The infirmed prplhz (bless his soul) *still* has 2 more pages than poof does... me no likey. I'm coming around on VE being town, for slight gameplay reasons i can't describe, but mainly because a) if VE is town, I can say I listened to other people and came around on VE like a good, civilised townie b) if VE is mafia after all, I can blame everyone for talking me out of it it's really win win. Hm. Ok, I will have to see if I think that's what townmarv would do. Anyways, since your vote is on Ace and not Poofter I would still like some more reasoning than "he discredited me in that one post" and "Ace cos Ace". There are several days of Aces play to look into besides that. Just one post that tells everyone exactly why Ace is likely scum and should be lynched. That you are giving Poofter reasons so easily and there is almost nothing about Ace makes me feel uneasy. Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 08:47 Palmar wrote: If poof is maf we gotta lynch dat mf scumshoe #preflipassociativereads #scumhunt4lyfe ##vote thepoofter You know what'd be great? If any of you damn "vets" would explain what he does/thinks at least once. I don't need any more reasoning. If you have a better bet, *you* tell *me*. If you wanna lynch poof over Ace, you go ahead and tell me why Ace should live, and quite possibly I'll run with that.
Anyways, my point wasn't that he discredited me, because he does that all day every day as town too, so that's whatever. It was the manner and how, which I hoped I'd got across. ergo a) ace discredits marv b) ace discredits marv while at the same time saying the same stuff marv has said *and* deciding that somehow makes marv the best lynch
Also, you aint lazy, go look at prplhz mafiagames, and stop with this bullshit "i need to see if this is what townmarv would do". Who gives a shit what i'd do, look at his blasted scumgames and come back and recognise it is blatantly not prplhz's mafia play. And then come back and realise that when i replaced in i put a shit-tonne of effort into the game (whether my results were correct or not).
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as well as the fact your first instinct being to call VE scum for calling you scum seemed like not something townmarv would do. (I've only played the one game with you but I hear you're good so I just don't see it as a town reaction) What is this dumb shit, poofter?
1) I love lynching people who call me scum 2) I didn't call VE mafia because he called me mafia? Are you even reading the thread in a basic fashion?
Timeline for you, all verifiable by reading the thread. a) marv calls VE mafia b) VE says he's gonna go find mafia instead of getting lynched c) VE lazily omguses marv instead of doing any work (later saying he didn't even think i was mafia at the time) d) marv said this helps confirm his scumread because VE just lazily omgused me rather than finding mafia
How have you turned this into "marv called VE scum for calling him scum"???
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On May 12 2014 17:36 Palmar wrote:
MarvPalmar not knowing wosmarv is mafiatown means he could be mafia Actually a more true statement now.
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you really could be mafia because you don't give a shit about winning the game
i don't quite have enough cares to think about it though
and i'm never lynching Wave this game, he's one of the only people (unlike you) to realise I'm obviously town. So my unwillingness to lynch Wave is literally your fault.
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yep I know.
but I have arses like you running around throwing your vote on me for no reason.
so against that backdrop, he gets my vote immunity. He can literally keep me alive to 2-1 lylo if he is mafia and I will not vote for him, because people like you and Caller vote for me for no reason and don't want to try to win the game.
Simple game.
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On May 12 2014 22:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 17:44 marvellosity wrote:On May 12 2014 17:36 Palmar wrote:
MarvPalmar not knowing wosmarv is mafiatown means he could be mafia Actually a more true statement now. Why are you allowed to say things like this but I'm not? I'm not calling him confirmed mafia and trying to get the whole town to lynch him ^_^
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no they were quite ok. I'm quite happy with what I said.
Unexplainable townread and refusal to vote mafia? Yep happy with that On Palmar for no good reason, weakly on day 2? Yep seems pretty valid. Overdefence of Caller into voting him? Not at all unhappy with this, seems pretty fine Mafia VE has threatened to shoot people for accusing him before? Well that's just fact Generic 3-suspect post which isn't properly followed up? Yes, also quite a decent point
None of these things are bad at all. I probably shouldn't talk about them or I'll end up believing them again.
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On May 12 2014 23:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh, also you made kinda a big deal about trusting Fool's townreads. I was a townread of Fool. Another reason I was suspicious of you. that's kinda understandable I guess, although I don't remember seeing a strong townread of you in his filter. More QT stuffs? In any case, I've also now gone against Fool's townread of poofter, don't forget :p
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On May 12 2014 23:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Those are all bad reasons because you fail to consider that I could and have and DID do those things as town. There's a townie motivation for everything you accused me of, but you ignore that fact and just call me scum for it. THIS is why I was convinced that it made you scum - because I thought a town marv would have considered a townie motivation before trying to get people to lynch me.
If you're town, clearly I was mistaken. But yes, your reasons are bad. Oh, only scum make "generic 3-suspect posts" and don't "properly follow up" on them? Okay, so that's a bad point. Mafia VE has threatened to shoot people for accusing him huh? So has third party VE and so has town VE! So that's a terrible point too! Having an early opinion on players after giving supporting reasoning for it is absolutely a surefire scum-tell isn't it marv? That definitely WASN'T a terrible point, nope. Oh wait, yeah it was.
Like, I don't care if you start believing them again because I'll just fucking dunk you if you come after me with this shit again. I'm telling you the reasons are bad, now, when I think you're town because the reasons ARE FUCKING BAD MARV. Anyone can do almost anything as town or as mafia, it's a matter of interpretation, and my interpretation of those events were not unfair nor bad.
What a silly reason to call any reason to call reasons for lynching people bad.
"Can VE do these scummy things as town too?"
Well of course he fucking can. But obviously on balance I considered that the scummy things made you scum rather than town. Woe is you or woe is me. Delete as applicable.
In short, no u.
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On May 12 2014 23:40 Palmar wrote: ::::::::::::::..........::::::::::::...::...::::::...:::.:..:::::.......:::..............::..::...:::::::::..:::....:::::::::.....::::::
we should probably not lynch VE, he may be scum but w/e no-one is saying to lynch VE right now.
Also btw, if you are mafia this game, I am never letting you slide by in any game making no effort again, I will policy you every single time.
Mostly making this post so I can quote it in future games.
To those of you reading this quote in future games: yes, I would absolutely policy Palmar when I'm town, as evidenced by the fact that I am writing this as town in this game. So you better believe this vote is serious. I want Palmar dead today, and that's that. Actually policy lynching Palmar is not alignment indicative, so you better just accept I'm doing it and move on. Thank you for your cooperation.
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On May 13 2014 02:00 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 01:17 marvellosity wrote: What a silly reason to call any reason to call reasons for lynching people bad.
IT WAS PERFECT ENGLISH BISH
REASONS
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On May 13 2014 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote: So I guess the plan for today is to let gumshoe slide, huh? Whatever. Tell me who to vote for later. stop being boring.
it's boring.
you can be apathetic without being boring.
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On May 13 2014 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv of the unflipped players do you think we have hit any scum? it's possible we hit mafia in Caller, but I wouldn't particularly bet on it. Don't think the other two were mafia.
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I would be extremely surprised if Koshi were mafia
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Plammy, I told thee I'd gotten over the mafiaVE thing.
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On May 13 2014 07:24 Ace wrote: this game is still going???? who should we lynch, snugglebum?
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On May 13 2014 16:48 justanothertownie wrote: Nice. That means I will be operating under the assumption of townmarv for the rest of the game. Just perfect. Good job slam. <3
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On May 13 2014 14:21 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 14:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Also for the record, that's probably the first time I've actually /correctly/ lynched Ace in a mafia game. Feels good bro. WHAT SSON I BEEN PUSHIN ACE SINCE LIKE DAY 2 OR SOME SUCH WHAT? + Show Spoiler + yeah that was VE and maybe marv maybe you should have voted him on day 4 like I did bish. Someone's vote was on Ace at the end of the day, after a great case that no-one followed... tsk.
marv's Day 6 lynch list:
TehPoofter ... .
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On May 13 2014 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't listen to his lies - he was on scum but he also caused a no-lynch. On Gumshoe.
He says only the good and never the bad. Is the way and the truth of his svengali. I do feel terrible for missing that gumshoe wagon at 3am. I hope your apple juice turns to urine in your mouth, swine.
On May 13 2014 19:44 Palmar wrote:Oh and marv. We probably have 2 mafia (4maf+traitor vs 18 town seems about right, probably not 5 maf+ traitor) left. so this guy: Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote: So I guess the plan for today is to let gumshoe slide, huh? Whatever. Tell me who to vote for later. and poofter. with VA/Gumshoe as the next men up. Maybe I'm wrong on poofter, but if he's town I still don't get why he shot Kosher, even if koshi was somehow mafia (which I don't think is the case, almost certain it isn't) it's better to shoot inactive people whose flip won't tell us much about anything. Like idk, I feel we should continue lynching into these 4. No, we're not going to lynch Wave. We're gonna lynch Poofter.
I have vaguely mused on the mafia numbers. Normally I have kinda firm opinions on these things but not so much here. The thing is, mafia KP seems to be really low. 2 shots night 1 and only 1 shot per night thereafter it seems. Suggests maybe a higher number of mafia. Counterbalanced against this is the no-flip vigi stuff. Certainly with the low factional Kp it seems plausible that mafia would have two day vigis (this was kinda a sticking point a little bit for me before, not so much now).
On May 13 2014 19:50 Palmar wrote: Oh Caller may have been mafia.
So there's that. Maybe we have less left than we think. Austinmcc seemed to want to kill caller/gumshoe from his latest posts so maybe mafia wanted to kill him because of that. They killed austin because he was the only dude left (barring Slam) who looked really town. Don't see why you'd try to look beyond that (when, for example, Ace wasn't even a suspect for him and we know what he flipped).
Random Vote Musings
On May 13 2014 05:08 Hapahauli wrote:Vote Count: Ace (5) - Alakaslam, marvellosity, justanothertownie, gumshoe, VisceraEyes tehpoofter (2) - Vayneauthority, Palmar gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow vayneauthority (0) - Marvellosity (0) - Not Voting (2) - Ace, tehpoofter Day ends in . There are 10 players alive, and it takes 6 to lynch. This is the last votecount before Wave adds the 6th vote about 2h before deadline. Notable is that Ace had long been "the lynch" and yet despite this he hadn't even reached majority. So Palmar, Vayne, tehpoofter all look pretty bad from this. Palmar and Vayne both said they would consolidate on Ace if necessary, yet neither actually did and it was up to Wave to hammer. 1-2 of these people are bound to be town so it's pretty annoying they couldn't just, like, play properly and not add this extra layer of confusion.
Anyway, two separate but connected strands of stuff:
1) you'd normally expect a mafia to be on the main wagon. My faith in gumshoe's towniness has been waning ever since I gave him a townread, so if anyone is mafia on the wagon maybe it's him? To be honest I haven't really read the stuff gumshoe wrote about Vayne, but mostly I just felt uneasy that Vayne was the target at all.
2) because the vote was so close and it was very hard to actually reach majority, maybe no mafia were on the wagon and they hoped they'd save Ace for a day somehow. With how eerily quiet this town can be + postcount limit, this is kinda plausible. Like, we didn't have a majority with 2h to go, and no-one was saying a thing. Kinda remarkable actually. So anyway on this train of thought, gumshoe is town because the whole wagon is town, and again the people off the wagon look worse (poof, Palmar, Vayne)
Anyway, generally speaking, people off wagon worse than people on wagon (kinda stating the obvious). At the very least when a mafia barely reaches majority it makes sense to be looking off the wagon.
So in any case, while my townread of gumshoe has been waning to an extent, my scumread on poofter has been strengthening, kinda organically like. I already said quite good stuff about poofter. Palmar's point in a quote above is quite ok as well. It's a postcount limit game and yet poof has only used half of his limit. Compare to BH's mini (where he was town) which started after this game, where he posted double the amount he's posted here. And postcount limit isn't really an excuse, like I said he could have double the posts by now.
On May 12 2014 04:43 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2014 09:33 Tehpoofter wrote: If Marv flips scum I'd say almost 80% chance one of those is actually mafia probably Ace. I do that shit all the time as scum. Like make a frustrated post when you're going down to try to WiFOM a partner. I don't think this comes from a townie perspective.
@WoS/Austin Why is lurkshoe better than Marv today? I mean in my head its something the mod will take care of for us. Unlike Ace and Caller who are still question marks I think good shot JAT Gumshoe might just get replaced or mod killed. Seems like a waste of a lynch.
Scum:Hopefulyl Caller/Ace/VA/gum (maybe he will get mod killed?)
Procedes to not vote Ace when possible but does vote gumshoe BEFORE he returned. Hmmmmmm... Saving posts for a while now. This is a good point, ties into what I was talking about before to an extent. Remember when I posted before that poofter's scumreads were at some stage
prplhz, VE, Ace
So prplhz (me) thinks VE and then Ace and possibly both are mafia, and poofter arrives a townread on VE and never votes for Ace. This doesn't make sense to me, and there's no real explanation he can give that can make it make sense.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449650-glory-seeker-mini-mafia?user=Tehpoofter&view=all
This is the townie filter in his concurrent game that just finished. It reads pretty differently to me. He's much more involved, he cares more, there's emotion there. Here there are just long reads posts. Again I understand this is partly the product of postcount stuff, but I don't think you lose all investment because you're forced to post less (and again, to remind, posting much less than even the postcount limit demands)
poofter never did go away and read prplhz's mafiagames like he promised. I find it quite hard to believe that a poofter who has looked invested in both towngames that I've seen (Catastrophe, BH's game) is this uninvested in this game. Lynch pl0x.
One of the reasons I think he is by far the best lynch is because there are 2-3 mafia left possibly and I don't know who they're going to be if it's not poofter. There's a couple of people who want to lynch Palmar, and a couple of people who want to lynch gumshoe, but in my mind they are much less scummy than poofter. We all know gumshoe is capable of this assholery as town, and I think he at least gets a day for being on a narrow mafia lynch. Palmar I still have tone reasons to think he's town, and a bunch of earlygame posts that I nodded to that point to him quite possibly being town. I think it would be quite silly to lynch Palmar over poofter.
In short, Poofter ---------------------------------------------> gumshoe -> Palmar -> Vayne (with the last 3 kinda interchangeable to an extent)
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On May 14 2014 08:20 justanothertownie wrote: Poofter vanishing while playing his other game/ranting in postgame doesn't look too good either.
So, you are sold on VE now? Yes, I'd noticed that as well, but I thought what I said was enough ^_^
I guess VE is probably town. He showed willingness/voted Ace quite early. So yes, we'll go VE town.
One other thing somewhat related to the low mafia KP/day vigis stuff:
We have strongandbig Alakaslam justanothertownie Oatsmaster tehpoofter
With the low amount of mafia KP I would probably guess at a 3-2 split rather than a 4-1 split. Of course I'd never lynch poof for this alone, but when setup thoughts align with thoughts I already have, I guess that's a good sign. It would seem about right for a mafia team with little KP to have an extra couple of shots.
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Just a stupid post from Wave, but it doesn't matter.
##Vote: tehpoofter
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how exciting, Palmar just moved up to #2 on my lynch list.
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why are you voting for Vayne when you've been saying for days, incl. last night, that we should be lynching poofter?
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On May 15 2014 03:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Poofter needs to get in here and either convince me he's town or at the very least vote for who is mafia. I'm still leaning slightly town on Poof but I'm absolutely /not/ going to argue against his lynch as everyone else (barring maybe Wave) is actively trying to figure out the game and he was AFK during the last scum lynch and presumably it was someone he found suspicious.
##Vote; tehpoofter
You said earlier that you agreed with my assessment that marv is scum. Do you still think so? Who should we lynch today? Do you give a shit about this game anymore? We must be playing a different game. I'd like to play in your version please, it sounds fun. I'm going to assume you didn't bother comparing the filter I linked in the meanwhile.
If you think he's slightly town given what I said about him, you should tell me what it was I wrote that wasn't convincing.
Because I was convinced. I read it and thought "wow marv, you so pro and sexy". Then I jizzed.
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would also lynch Palmar today for funsies.
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i asked you a question. i didn't do it for my health, i did it for an answer.
i hate this game.
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ok. we'll go with that for now.
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still not gonna tell me what i asked for VE? No?
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gumshoe everything you write is just terrible.
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you really really need to hope poof is scum, gumshoe, because if he aint, you're next.
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On May 15 2014 10:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2014 09:12 marvellosity wrote: you really really need to hope poof is scum, gumshoe, because if he aint, you're next. And if he ain't marv, we may very well lose so you need to think about it a little more carefully. #Vote: gumshoe um, no i don't.
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how dare you say I need to think about things "a bit more carefully", Wave, when I wrote a 3 page essay on why we should lynch poof and your effort was "yea let's lynch down marv's list"
*I* need to think a bit more carefully? Christ.
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P.S. poofter still hasn't showed up, he's blatant mafia, let's kill him.
Dunno why people are all off voting other people when they aren't gonna get lynched. Need to pretend to have some self-determination or something?
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I get it Wave, and honestly it's not at all unreasonable to be thinking that gum is gonna be flipping red.
Also I just played the worst chess game of my life so if poof doesn't flip red I'm gonna flip my shit. Probably in private where none of you can see, so it's not even relevant.
Mainly I'm just posting because I have like ten posts left and I want to use a few for no good reason.
Beep boop. Di beep boop. Boop di beep.
To be fair there was like no kickback on the Ace lynch and he was scumsies. Game is so dull because atm we're just lynching and there's no... anything. I wonder if Ace didn't fight his lynch because poof was the main alternative. Who knows.
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I'm going to vote gumshoe or you, poof. I'm not voting VA today.
Actually the Koshi shot is kinda a trivial part of why I think you're mafia. I kinda explained how i felt the evolution of your reads on me/ace/VE weren't natural, how you never went for Ace even though I'd made scum-cases on two of your scumtargets (ace/VE) and yet you called me mafia. I find that hard to get over.
Even though I don't think anything you've written is massively townie just now, I'm tempted just to kill gumshoe after all, even though I've been hardpushing your lynch.
The thing is, right, I find it practically impossible that you and gumshoe are both town, and therefore the push on Vayne feels... not correct to me.
Dunno how other people feel but I could maybe vote gumshoe after all. Or I could leave my vote on poofter.
What does everyone else think?
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tbh i'm finding it hard to envisage a situation where i/we don't just lynch them one after the other regardless of their alignments :/
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because I made cases on both your other scumreads and you ended up voting for me and not for Ace. You basically totally ignored the Ace thing. It looks terrible. Like, you didn't explore the option that I was town and ace was mafia on that day, even though I was pushing Ace quite hard - I got nothing from you even though Ace was one of your scumsuspects. Bleh.
Although Vayne forcing a nolynch on gumshoe is shit. Palmar is excused because the gumshoe wagon happened at like 4am his time or something.
V v tempting to lynch gumshoe simply because you're at least trying though.Would like input from others.
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no, the shady thing is that the whole wagon on me was based on bullshit and it was quite obvious it was based on bullshit, there were literally no reasons given that I were mafia other than "marv thinks VE is mafia". That is literally the sum total of all the reasons I was supposed to be mafia.
Caller, Palmar, and Ace all had zero or non-existent reasoning for trying to lynch me. That didn't give you pause? It didn't give you pause that a wagon on me built on nothing for no reason, and that I had come into the game clearly trying quite hard and trying to lynch two of your scumreads? And the scumread you found townier (VE) I stopped trying to lynch and I tried to lynch Ace instead.
Literally the only reason you thought VE was town was because I made a case on him and he told me to fuck off.
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well whatever, let's lynch gumshoe.
##Unvote ##Vote: gumshoe
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Hurray! Good job guise.
Not entirely sure how I went from defending gumshoe -> lynching him, but it all worked out in the end.
On May 16 2014 12:06 WaveofShadow wrote: I also wonder if the presence of another scum vig who didn't shoot makes Poofter look a little better....
It does somewhat yes
On May 16 2014 12:57 VayneAuthority wrote: how exactly does it make me look bad JAT? You keep not hammering mafia. Or generally consolidating like a townie should be doing, regardless of the alignment of who gets lynched. And don't give me the wifom "what kind of mafia would do that" shit, the kind of mafia that almost made gumshoe survive 2-3 extra cycles at least (from d4) if Poof hadn't come back right near the end of the day and town decided to switch.
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On May 16 2014 07:29 marvellosity wrote: I'm going to vote gumshoe or you, poof. I'm not voting VA today.
...
The thing is, right, I find it practically impossible that you and gumshoe are both town, and therefore the push on Vayne feels... not correct to me.
... This reasoning was essentially fine, I think.
However, we now know gumshoe was in fact gumshoe, and we know that gumshoe made a large case on Oatsmaster and happily bussed Ace. So while what I said was ok, it's perfectly plausible that gumshoe has basically only made cases on his buddies...
On May 16 2014 19:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 19:50 Palmar wrote: Oh Caller may have been mafia.
So there's that. Maybe we have less left than we think. Austinmcc seemed to want to kill caller/gumshoe from his latest posts so maybe mafia wanted to kill him because of that. austin town hero. Made me take a quick gander at austin's filter for no particular reason. Found:
On May 10 2014 00:11 austinmcc wrote: I think it's unlikely that JAT/poofter/VA are all town. 4 vigis + hero v. 1 vigi seems wonky, you'd give the hero to the team that has low numbers and could potentially almost get wiped or actually get wiped by that many vigis. Someone there is red. I don't think any of them are the lynch for today. Nobody should get lynched solely on account of this, but I think everyone should look into those 3 and see if they can rule someone OUT (can't be mafia), and whether anyone in that group looks particularly scumdiddlyumptious.
Food for thought, certainly. I'm serious. Read it, think about it.
Also his drunk posts/typing were pretty funny as well. Somehow I didn't even read that part of the game or something first time round, or just didn't notice.
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On May 17 2014 00:35 VayneAuthority wrote: You realize I can't consolidate if im not here right? when I left the lynch was poofter and you guys decided to pull shenanigans while I was gone. The previous cycle before ace was being lynched I hammered majority on gumshoe before you guys switched to ace. Apparently im mafia because I can't keep up with the constant switching...trust me this game isn't interesting enough to warrant being around 24/7. You're literally making shit up, because this didn't even happen, it didn't even come close to happening.
On May 10 2014 12:01 Hapahauli wrote:Vote Count: Ace (1) - Alakaslam, Caller, Marvellosity, justanothertownieWaveofShadow (0) - PalmarVisceraEyes (0) - Marvellosity, WaveofShadow, AlakaslamMarvellosity (1) - VisceraEyes, Ace, Caller (dead), Palmar, tehpoofterPalmar (1) - Alakaslam gumshoe (5) - WaveofShadow, austinmcc, justanothertownie, tehpoofter, VisceraEyes tehpoofter (2) - Vayneauthority, Palmar vayneauthority (1) - gumshoe Day ends in . There are 11 players alive, and it takes 6 to lynch. This *is* the votecount from the day before the Ace lynch. You very much did not "hammer majority on gumshoe". In fact, distinctly the opposite. Almost couldn't be much more the opposite of what you said, indeed. Your vote has never been on gumshoe.
On April 28 2014 12:59 VayneAuthority wrote: ##unvote
##vote SnB
i got you guys
FUNNY HOW YOU SHOWED UP LAST MINUTE TO HAMMER A TOWNIE THOUGH
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On May 17 2014 00:51 VayneAuthority wrote:I didn't provide any misinformation, actually marv did. Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 02:08 VayneAuthority wrote: I mean it if wasn't obvious I am the hero role I highly doubt there is any more day vigs so I am a VT for all intents and purposes.
##vote: Gumshoe This vote hammered majority on gumshoe and then everyone got off of him. I didn't agree with the Ace lynch so I switched to poofter. Also if you remember that was at the start of the game when it was still relatively fun. Where is the misinformation I provided? Curse looking at the wrong day and Hapa's votecounts sometimes not having strikethroughs
You brought gumshoe to 5 votes (not majority) on the day Ace was lynched, yes.
So why didn't you agree with the Ace lynch? You were willing for a no-lynch to happen over an Ace lynch for what reason?
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Last post unless someone donates me a couple.
Honestly not that sure who's scum. VA's pretty sketch for hammering townies but repeatedly not hammering mafia. But I just went over his filter and it looked nowhere near as bad as I'd hoped.
Poofter still scummy to me. I really don't like his excuse about being salty with the other game. He was away for just under 4 days! That's a fucking long time. If I fucked up a game I don't run away for days from the other one, I try to solve it. In the postgame there poofter said "I look forward to being right in another game", while at the same time not playing ours...
On May 16 2014 07:20 Tehpoofter wrote:The three scummy people: I feel like a team would be Palmer/Va as my most likely pair. Palmer has been playing really weird this game and his interactions with Ace seem like distancing more than trying to push lynches on each other. He also tried to justify himself as confirmed based on either way that I flip: Show nested quote +On May 15 2014 23:49 Palmar wrote: ##vote tehpoofter
I'm confirmed town if he flips mafia as I've been wanting to kill him since the koshi shot. I'm confirmed town if he flips town for voting VA first today and trying to avoid a bad lynch. This is also an incredible reach. I cannot believe anyone would actually believe Palmar is sincere when he wrote this. How can poof genuinely think Palmar was trying to confirm himself town here? Is he insane? Or just reaching horribly for something on Palmar... Also while Poof was basically willing to lynch anyone not-him yesterday, his lynch order was VA - Palmar - gumshoe.
Also pretty ironic that he thought I was super scummy for narrowly avoiding the lynch, but gumshoe avoided the lynch by a vote and yet he was 3rd in preference. You'd think he'd have been all over gumshoe for this, but he's behind 2 others...
As for Palmar... bleh. He may have pulled the wool over my eyes but I really think it's between the two above.
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Eh..... seems unlikely we have a medic right?
People who posted one short message during the night, and have never had to submit mafia KP before: tehpoofter
hmmz
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idk, we could just go with the theory that gumshoe only defended townies and only attacked mafia and just lynch VA maybes
the way gumshoe defended Palmar didn't really seem like scum-on-scum defending to me
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VE, you're pretty dumb sometimes.
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On May 18 2014 04:55 VisceraEyes wrote:I'm pretty dumb all the time. I said it was a path I didn't want to tread just now, what's the problem? Because it makes zero sense, whether you want to tread it now or not...
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It would make you all dumb, which isn't unlikely. Hypothetically I'd be trying to out a medic who almost certainly doesn't exist? Lol
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We can lynch him if you like. Kinda like my gumshoe theory though.
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Oh and also, clearly not shooting only would implicate me, so its still all very silly.
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no-one's stopping you talking about anything else, dearest <3
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I don't care what bothers you. All I've done is lynch mafia and get pushed by flipped mafia. If it bothers you, you'll have to get over it.
Quite evidently I've looked at VA's play, because I even made a comment about reading VA's filter not so long ago, if you're actually reading the thread yourself...
I also quoted a post from austin re: blues and powers and balance, so yes, again if you'd been reading the thread you'd know I've considered VA's hero claim...
why you ask me questions with answers that are already obvious
you know, you could always provide your own opinions rather than expecting me to give you all the answers... novel thought!
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one thing that speaks in VA's favour to an extent is that he's basically only tried to get Poof lynched. So if we lynch Poof and he flips town, then what? Where else to go?
By contrast, poof yesterday was trying to set lynches up on 3 separate players (palmar, va, gum) with notably gumshoe not at the forefront (with the contrast i mentioned before about me being uber suspicious for avoiding the lynch, but gum only being at #3 even though he avoided the lynch by a vote, ergo much closer than me). Also maybe notable is that his rhetoric that there could be 3 mafia players left so we couldn't lynch poof could also be interpreted as a scare tactic
Superficially it sounds kinda convincing in VA's favour, but I can see VA just doing that thang as mafia, just because. So meh. Pick yo poison/
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meh, we have 7 cycles of information now, we should be able to decide...
i mean obviously poofter is gonna create more content than VA whether poof is town VA is mafia or poof is mafia and VA is town, that's just the way things are. i mean i've commented quite a lot on what poofter has given us (e.g. the Palmar reach, the marv/gumshoe avoiding the lynch difference, etc) and very few people (practically none) have actually commented on the things i've said about it. there's no excuse for anyone to do that, it's poor. that includes you jat.
i've kinda vascillated back to poof now, given my post above, and just wanting to see if i was right after all :x
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On May 18 2014 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote: It also bothers me how tentative and non-pushy you are this game, marv.
Ok so you want to lynch VA based on gumshoe association. Have you looked at VA's play at all? Have you made comparisons to other games? Have you considered his hero claim that he made basically at the start of the game?
This actually bugs me. How does this bother you?
On the day I subbed in, you hard-defended me saying I was "obvtown" and that we were never going to lynch marv. Obvtown marv! Great!
Subsequently I lynched Ace (mafia, who also almost got me lynched) and started the switch that everyone happily followed on to gumshoe (mafia) and now you're bothered by things about my play?
Doesn't add up.
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given we haven't mislynched since i joined the game, i think i've done a fucking good job, actually.
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are you actually going to talk about lynch preferences at any point?
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must have been that other dude's case on Ace and that other dude that everyone followed on to gum.
my bad.
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doesn't really bear thinking about. it's pointless. then again i'm going to humour you so i don't waste my rapidly dwindling supply arguing further
jat is the only megatown. I had niggling doubts but after gumshoe got lynched I went back and re-read the almost-gumshoe lynch from a couple days prior and jat looked soooooo town. He tried to consolidate town on to Ace (mafia) and then on to gumshoe (mafia).
I wanted to find you scummy just now but it turns out you're probably just dumb. So not you either probably.
VE ~~~~~~ meh. not a beacon of townie light to me especially as he was rallying people to my lynch the day gumshoe didn't die T.T But I guess he felt better for no particular reason although he still hasn't done that much. Also the fact no-one really went for his lynch kinda speaks in his favour (i know normally resistance to lynch = scummy, but in this case people i consider townies were either umming and ahhing or outright defending him.)
So Palmar. Palmar can be scum simply for not being on lynches at the right time and not doing anything. Obviously my read is that this isn't the case, and I've tried to explain a few times why. Just don't feel it.
I think in the end I want to lynch poofter, to see if i'm right, to make VA play if poof flips town too.
Also there's the little thing i mentioned before... on the day Ace got lynched, the only two people else who had votes were gumshoe (1) and poofter (2). And Ace didn't fight that lynch, at all. Because the alternatives were buddies?
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ok it does make me feel better.
##Vote: tehpoofter
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it should be 100% obvious who I would lynch if you flipped town, so no worries there
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urg, just got home and i'm a little... compromised.
hai everyone
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dunno. Palmar probably. Sounds right no?
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3 day vigis and 6 mafia seems so high, even with the low nightly KP :x
List of three things that I'm totes not getting at anything with:
People who tried to lynch marv for terrible reasons
Ace tehpoofter VisceraEyes
People who kept calling poof town despite multiple good reasons being given for him being mafia VisceraEyes
People marv has had his vote on this game
gumshoe Ace tehpoofter VisceraEyes
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Ace may be more fun to keep around, but he's also sooo much more fun to lynch.
Totally random thought - if someone comes out the blue and claims medic, people should be sceptical of it at least, and not just blindly trust it
it's possible mafia made some funny play because they were in such dire straits
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On May 19 2014 20:08 Palmar wrote:Marv, I'll lynch whoever you want to lynch tomorrow, you've earned that. However, if you have nothing to do today, go read WoS again. There is something about his quote where I called him mafia, when he defended himself not based on his content in this game, but appealed to his own skill instead or something. I would like you to go confirm you actually think he's town. Here's the quote I mentioned. Show nested quote +On May 08 2014 00:08 WaveofShadow wrote:This game was a hell of a lot more fun when I didn't care about it. I've already explained why JAT looks like shit, he has done nothing but push Foolishness all game to the detriment of any other scumhunting and usefulness. I've also already explained why I don't like Austin's push on Fool AFTER he came out with the QT as to me, the QT made him look townier. Also I was/am mad at them/myself. Fact remains that there are still a billion to people to lynch ahead of either of them. I want to say you're one of them but strangely enough your 'proof' actually resonated with me. Also Palmar plz. I kicked your ass as scum in Survivor series. You really think I'd be caught like that? I care about my scumgame way too much to play the way I did for the first half of the game, but of course that's not necessarily indicative for you. Maybe Ace's nuke will actually land. That'd be nice. I guess maybe Poofter tomorrow? I think a lot of his stuff yesterday made me hate him less than I did after that one post so I'll have to re-read. Or we can just start YOLOing into lurkers. Something about the way VA was so easily convinced to switch bothers me even though I read him as town. meh. The point is he seems to think he can indeed be caught. Maybe I'm reading too much into it. The wording is just super strange, I wish I had Robik here, to grammar detective up in this shit for me. "You really think I'd be caught like that?" is just a strange sentence, also his defense against my accusation has nothing to do with the accusation I made against him. So yeah marv, the most useful thing you can possibly do tonight, is go make a verdict on WoS. Just had a reasonably close read through his filter. I'm pretty sure he is town. More sure than I was before I read his filter. Maybe it's the benefit of a couple of flips, but his filter reads much townier than when I read through the game originally. He seems to flit around in a very natural way and at points rambles on about something in a natural way, pushes targets naturally (e.g. "does anyone else hate this post?" - re: poofter - doesn't seem bussy). I've just used "natural" as a justification 3 times which possibly isn't very helpful... uh... dunno, just the way his focus moves around, the way he talks about things, the way he talks to people, none of it seems put on.
I think what you're picking up on is just an ego thing or something.
Would never lynch Wave ahead of VE for example. I think if Wave is mafia he's played absolutely brilliantly because there's nothing formulaic about his posts and conversations.
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Is Plam still mafia, VE? Or is it VA? Or who? Does Poof's flip change your opinion on Palmar?
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On May 20 2014 16:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2014 14:30 VisceraEyes wrote: But then I've got the spirit of Foolishness whispering from my quicktopic "marv can't be this right and be town...kill him...kill him..."
Good thing I don't believe in ghosts. Marv is very often this right as town. It would be if he was less right that I'd be worried. ikr? So why is VE even saying it casually when he knows this himself? It's exceptionally strange. Very, very strange. The whole poof business really bothers me too.
On May 20 2014 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I have to read before I answer. I thought for sure poof was town, so this changes a lot in my opinion. Like, really? 3 of the towniest/most influential people in the game (Wave, marv, jat) have pushed poofter at different points of the game with different, and good reasoning, and you "thought for sure" he was town? At best this is a terrible, negligent disregard for the opinions of your fellow townsfolk. If a whole bunch of good, townie-looking players think someone is mafia, it should really make you think twice, thrice, etc.
Maybe VE is just ploughing his own furrow and being bad by not listening to other people? But then stuff like this bothers me:
On May 19 2014 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote: It's mostly that I'm townreading poofter at this point. Like, his posting just doesn't feel like it's coming from an informed perspective. Palmar has done nothing and frankly the fact that poofter is even attempting to look town makes Palmar a better lynch today. Palmar as scum is absolutely capable of not giving a shit and doing nothing. While I concede that it's possible that town Palmar does the same, I feel comfortable saying that I find it far less likely.
On May 19 2014 08:16 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I went through all flipped scum filters, Poofters and Vaynes. Only Palmars left but I think my vote will stay here today tbh.
##Vote: Tehpoofter
The problem is that I have trouble seeing him in a team right now. Who is his buddy if there are 2? VE? Hmm... Other things pointing towards town are his oats vote day2 and that he actually shot early in the game while the 2 confirmed scum dayvigs both tried to hold their shot as long as possible.
Apart from that large parts of his filter reek of TMI. Like how he threats oats as confirmed mafia before he flips. How he defends Foolishness. How he goes after Ace for a long time but just when there are other people entertaining that idea he changes his read. There is a weird switch on prplhz who he thought was town early in the game. And finally he wanted to lynch VA/Palmar over gumshoe. Two totally opposing views of poof's filter, of which jat's is obviously more right. Is VE not reading? Intentionally making things up? jat's main point is that poof's filter *reeks* of TMI, yet VE thinks poof's posting doesn't come from an informed perspective.
Honestly, it feels like VE is being wrong on purpose, or not reading, or something.
I Am Alive So, me being alive is a thing. I don't like it. I feel like I'm being setup. I don't know what the setup is for, what the goal is, what's happening or why right now, but it really feels like I should be dead and I am not. This points me more towards VE/Palmar than VA tbh. I'm not generally known to hand-wring when I'm left alive, indeed it gets pretty tedious when people question it so usually I brush it off. So if VA is mafia he doesn't have any particular reason to believe that I'd make any different decisions because I'd been left alive, and I've already shown clear willingness to kill him.
So by default it makes me more suspicious of a VE making a play or a Palmar keeping me alive because I've been defending him all game.
Unless this game is amazingly imbalanced, only one of you is mafia, so whichever of you guys are town need to push their thoughts/lynch choice into the thread asap rather than late near the deadline tomorrow when it's too late to make an informed decision.
Palmar, now's the time to stop being a dick like you promised, and really play.
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not really, and I'm not going to waste another post asking you to play. I'm at least somewhat irritated this game is still going so although I've defended you all game I'll literally just lynch you for trolling around if you carry on and be done with it.
Find me the mafioso, you've done next to nothing all game which is fine and all, but now is the time to apply effort
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VA is still a top target, maybe my wording in my larger post suggested otherwise but it wasn't meant to.
Lynching VA is pretty appealing if nothing else for the reason that it would be horrible to lose to someone who played like that.
You may as well tell me what you like about VE while we're at it, it can't hurt.
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Maybe. If Vayne is mafia they have 6 mafia including 3 day vigis and a hero. Ugh
Giving town a hero when mafia have so many day vigis intuitively makes sense to me. Otherwise mafia already have more numbers than normal (6/23 instead of 5/25), 3 day vig shots, and the ability to shoot a townie who tries to shoot them.
If we take the no-lynch and the no-kill as cancelling each other out, town has mislynched twice and lynched mafia 5 times, and we still only have one mislynch left
Granted two townies have shot two townies, but at the same time two mafia have not used their shot either...
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On May 20 2014 14:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv is like confirmed town. Scum seem to have been in a relatively good position when he joined in, so there's like zero percent chance that he busses his ENTIRE team right out of the gates.
I mean, he didn't RIGHT out of the gates, he tried to get me lynched first. But still, Plan B) Bus Entire Team? Nah. I don't believe it, so I say if he's alive at final three, let him win if he's scum. Don't ever lynch marv. Ever.
So for me it's between Palmar, VA and Wave. I'll be doing a pretty exhaustive filter dive and I'll let you guys know what turns up for me. My gut instinct tells me that it's VA because my gut instinct is that Wave is town so whatever it was he found on VA is legit. I'll look at it later and see for myself, but that's my guts talkin. Funny how your gut instinct leads you to VA in this case but when a whole raft of players said poof is mafia then the opposite applied
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##Vote: VisceraEyes
Just gonna put my vote here as a test run, see how it feels.
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Do something, ANYTHING, to make me change my mind then. Like I literally made at least 5 amazing points on poof, as well as wave and jat did, and you "thought for sure" he was town.
Then Wave says he thinks VA is mafia for reasons not yet disclosed, and so you think VA is mafia because you trust Wave? What the fucking fuck?
Do your extensive filter dive or whatever it is and see what you find and let us know. My vote is nowhere near final but it's how I feel right now.
I'm not sure what to make of poofter's volte-face on VE. poof was VE-mafia for ages and then because VE omgused me VE was suddenly confirmed town. It's extremely odd one way or another.
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On May 20 2014 21:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Like it doesn't make sense from the other perspective that's possible which is scum/scum - the situation you're arguing. Why would he appeal to me if I'm his scumbuddy? Why would he about face on a read of me at a time when he needed votes unless I'm town? Last post I respond to you until you make your detailed breakdown of the game/who you want to lynch
poof about faced on you on the day that poof was in zero danger of getting lynched, on the day I was possibly going to get lynched, or maybe you if people had gone with my case. He didn't appeal to you either..
In the situation where a marv-town replaces into a town that's somewhat in the doldrums, and marv possibly makes a case on mafia-VE, it makes a lot of sense for mafia to make a big play to get rid of me and pile up on me (VE + Ace + Poofter). If town lynches me day 5 I think town loses the game pretty hard. Obviously this necessitates poofter supporting you and going against me.
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You're right, VE, that particular quote does make Palmar look much better.
On April 29 2014 12:17 VayneAuthority wrote: didnt even know there was vanilla town in this game, what a scrub This is kinda interesting in a fairly incidental way (he's referring to himself). We know that every mafia that has flipped had a role...
##Unvote
Because i really like you.
On May 10 2014 07:08 VayneAuthority wrote: who doesnt want to get out of this game? Ive been begging for a bullet for cycles. This is also kinda disingenuous, given at another point he said "at least mafia won't shoot me now" in a positive way, and clearly he was angling to get shot not to remove himself from the game, but instead to shoot whoever was shooting him...
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Probably mafia managed to forget to send one in between them. I've only ever seen mafia withold KP once, which was Vayne funnily enough, but that was because in that specific game there were two town roleblockers clearing people by roleblocking two people every night (## mafia). In my mind witholding KP is just never worth it in any circumstances because you're giving town more time/lynches. I have seen mafia fail to send in KP on a couple of occasions, for example my team after I was dead in Liquid City (and there were 3 of them!)
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Like it's 4-1 now which means we have two lynches.
If mafia had taken a shot, this would be the final lynch (3-1 mylo). If the intention was purposeful, it cannot possibly be worth giving town an extra lynch. Just makes zero sense. None. Zippo. *Any* benefit gained is more than offset by the fact town gets an extra lynch.
The only "sensible" explanation is that it was a communication breakdown within the mafia team and they forgot.
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These things happen. There is 0% chance I am going to lynch Wave today. I already mentioned during the night phase how I didn't find Wave's attacks on poof bussy.
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On May 21 2014 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote: So have we abandoned this game in favor of the other? Does not bode well. Anyway for now ##Vote: VayneAuthority no, "we" haven't, I've posted pretty extensively this day phase. *You* might have done. That's on you.
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gg wp town
unusual that all the mafia are who they are "supposed" to be.
game seemed kinda mafia favoured. 6 mafia lynches and 2 mislynches and mafia should still have won the game if they'd used their bullets. feels a bit icky.
prplhz you played great. Didn't want to use it as an argument in the game, but I checked your filter before I asked to replace you, because I wanted to know I was replacing for a townie, and I was pretty damn sure.
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I'm so glad I wasn't made into a fool by defending you repeatedly, Plam.
edit: from a personal perspective, i'm also glad that the only non-mafia i had my vote on all game (VE) is also the only person i never had my vote on at the end of a cycle. it's so hard having to accept you're probably wrong
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On May 22 2014 19:10 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 19:06 marvellosity wrote:I'm so glad I wasn't made into a fool by defending you repeatedly, Plam. edit: from a personal perspective, i'm also glad that the only non-mafia i had my vote on all game (VE) is also the only person i never had my vote on at the end of a cycle. it's so hard having to accept you're probably wrong Just say it, you never really thought I was scum. You were just trying to rustle my jimmies weren't you? no, i did. i thought everything you did and pushed was scummy :p
(un)fortunately all your responses every time i was after you were townie
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On May 22 2014 19:17 Palmar wrote: I'm glad I defended VE, but man was I wrong on WoS. the thing is, though, I listened to you+others on VE, and you listened to me on Wave.
That's kinda how it's supposed to work, right?
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it was day 5 and ace got lynched day 6, Ver kinda transposed those 2.
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absolutely disgraceful. honestly.
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On May 23 2014 08:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 08:47 Oatsmaster wrote: why was prp replaced really late btw Hapa?
Oh man, and here I thought you just didn't read threads when you're in a game. Glad we cleared THAT up! e: <3 too funny. i don't think anything could have been more perfect than oats' question there
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I'm ok with the idea of a postcount restriction I guess, I just don't think it was right at all in this game
gumshoe getting warned for posting more than 5 times at night was just so silly given his previous lack of posting. That cannot be the idea.
So many times people avoided hashing things out because they were "saving posts". That also cannot be the intention of a restriction.
The actual limit itself was unnecessarily harsh. The "problem" is not that people post 20 or 30 or 50 or even 100 times per phase, it's the rampant spam where people's filters get really massive that causes the buildup.
In essence what i'm saying is that there's no point in having a 25 post limit when you could have, for example, a 75 post limit. Some/plenty people aren't going to make that limit, and the high volume / free-time posters who use up the rest will still be at least reasonably careful with their posts so they can actually utilise them. As a high poster/sometime spammer, a 75 restriction would limit that markedly and yet still leave me room to manouevre and produce content, the game would still be way shorter and more readable, etc.
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if what it meant to accomplish was "stopping people talking about game-related stuff on multiple occasions" then yes, it did
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