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On May 01 2014 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Foolishness can I ask how I fit in to all this exactly? Am I 25 or 75? And I am pretty curious as to how Bh's gumshoe lynch fits into your mason QT exactly.
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if RoL and Oats are town in this game----for me to be as apathetic as I've been to think that people who normally lurk (like RoL) are similar isn't a stretch. Except of course that apparently this kind of game is the ideal for RoL who hates spam. And I dunno oats is just oats. I'm still pretty damn certain this game is just over, hence the apathy. So much idgaf in this game from me and mostly everyone else, it sucks for the people who are fighting against a brick wall. Like Austin.
Also cephiro only pops up with large vomit posts when people remember he's around. Curious coincidence.
I'd lynch RoL or ceph or oats today I guess considering I don't have anything useful to add. The BH-foolishness thing seems legit and kinda difficult for even someone like BH to come up with if they were both scum.
You are NOT entitled to sit back and cry like a little bitch about the state of the game. If you aren't happy with it DO SOMETHING. And how the heck is it difficult to come up with that mason thing?
On May 01 2014 06:23 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 06:20 Foolishness wrote:On May 01 2014 06:13 Alakaslam wrote:
K here is something.
IF foolishness is scum, so also is Koshi most likely even though that makes very little sense.
If foolishness is town Koshi could still be scum but most likely he is t. I'll reiterate that on day 1 I thought Koshi was town (just based off his posting and thread presence, I never did a hard analysis or anything). tehpoofter brings up some good points though that can't be ignored. I don't think Koshi should be lynched today (and probably not tomorrow either) because there's a handful of other people that need to be taken care of first (myself, Palmar, Oats, RoL, Caller, etc.). Foolishness is right in that there are bigger fish to fry. Look, I think we can say pretty certainly there's scum amongst the people who like never contributed, voted, and weren't on main wagons at the end of D1, right? We don't want these people alive at LYLO, and our vigis would have shot them by now if they were going to. Realistically speaking I think a guy like Gumshoe is NOT going to play well as town ANYWAYS so even if by some longshot he's town, he was a liability regardless. That being said, as always I am willing to consolidate. We have just a few hours left now so we should all say who we're willing to vote for so we can get an idea of what's possible. Remember, it's majority lynch here.
The people you are talking about are exactly 3. Ace and the 2 guys not voting (poofter + gumshoe). So what you are saying is that 2 scummers intentionally didn't vote? I don't think not voting is alignment indicative at all. So you are stuck with Ace. Grats.
Is there ANYONE who thinks Foolishness contributed something of worth today? I for sure don't and since he is lynch candidate #1 he should be working his ass off as town, right? Vote that mofo already.
Also thanks for the post donation (already forgot who that was) but I think Koshi could use those better since I got a few already.
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On May 01 2014 05:23 Foolishness wrote:
Really I'm just baffled by this all. Is the logic as follows?
"oh, 75% of the players in the game are just writing sheep posts and not posting their own thoughts. Meanwhile 25% of the players are posting reads/cases, trying to steer town in the right direction, and analyze what the mafia has been doing this whole game.
Well, I know that there are more town than mafia in the game because that's how the game of mafia is set up. That must mean all the town players are doing the same thing and are in the 75%, and it must be the mafia who are the 25%."
I'm legit trying to figure out the mindset behind this. Cause hot damn so many people are on board with this I'm questioning my own stupidity.
It is really telling how you waste all your time complaining about that without going at someone specific. If you were town you would try to convince people by contributions/insightful thought through posts like you did in the shadow game for example. None of those to be seen anywhere.
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On May 01 2014 04:43 Cephiro wrote:
Confirmed Town Club: Cephiro, geript (DEAD), strongandbig (DEAD)
Greenish Grasses (Most to least town): austinmcc, justanothertownie, Ace, yamato (DEAD), tehpoofter, WaveOfShadow
Neutral Waters (Townier to scummier): VisceraEyes, prplhz, Alakaslam, gumshoe, RebirthOfLegend, VayneOfAuthority
Fiery Furnace (Least scummy to scummiest): Caller, Foolishness, Palmar, Koshi, Oatsmaster
Joker Category: OdinOfPergo (Slight townread, but I also suspect him to be traitor), Blazinghand (Has traits that make me lean both slightly town as well as slightly scum, however I don't think both he and foolishness would be on the same scumteam)
Could you maybe explain the Ace read to me? He is pretty high on your townie list and the read I understand the least of those. Maybe it's just me but I am really struggling to form an opinion on Ace.
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On May 01 2014 06:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
I am in agreement to some degree re: Foolishness---there are some things about what he's done this game that I really don't like but again the BH mason business has me forced to believe in him for now. It is almost assured there are scum sitting back and doing dick all this game, it's just a question of whether we want to crapshoot into the lurkers right now to find them or eliminate active/semi-active posters. I for one think we crapshoot for now. JAT maybe you SHOULD take your shot.
If you tell me exactly who you want shot with a short reasoning I will consider it.
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On May 01 2014 06:56 Tehpoofter wrote:
Town needs to wisen up that are among the lurkers. Me, Austin, Jat, Foolishness are trying to win this game (maybe BH too) The votes on Foolishness are silly at best. I came into the day thinking he might be scum or Koshi 1 of the two and I found the 1 its Koshi. Foolishness is proposing theories and hunting scum. The BH Foolish QT thing I'm going to buy for the time being as well because as scum that buys them a day at most and this isn't anywhere near lylo I assume.
The votes should be going to one of the 4 austin pointed out. It seems to be RoL isn't gaining traction so I'm going to consolidate further and switch to Oatsmaster.
##Unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster
Look at Austin's day one case look how scum Koshi attempts to bus him when the gun in his mind is about to go off then back off it later after I didnt shoot cause maybe he thinks I was faking or he persuaded me or something idk its a very odd thing to do and feels like scum.
GUN TIME: I am convinced Koshi is mafia his posts lately were fake AtE like no ones business. He spent 3-4 posts on yelling at me and just calling me bad or mafia. He didn't really expand on his reads or try to tell me who to shoot minus what I think is busing Oats (who according to his geript read is confirmed town) I think its interesting that he threw dirt on Oats when he thinks the deadline is up (it would have been but I fell asleep early) Smells like mafia busing mafia here. I'm shooting Koshi and killing a mafia you guys that don't want me to can say thank you later, if by some chance I'm wrong Its on me but I'm not afraid of shooting vocal scum. (I use vocal lightly because he posts a lot but doesn't honestly say much a huge scum tell)
#Shoot: Koshi
I have posts to donate I'm going to look over who needs them and give them to people I think are townie.
We absolutely need to consolidate and not vote Foolishness I'll go more into that with my next post.
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Oh god. Another scum.
There is no reason. LITERALLY NO REASON to have a townread on Foolishness right now if you had a scumread at the start of the day. What has he done since then that convinced you? I want you to show me that specific thing. You didn't even use the BH mason excuse.
You are saying I am trying to win? If so does that mean you have a townread on me? Because if that is the case why THE HELL would you shoot Koshi right now?
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On May 01 2014 07:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
One of the three I mentioned.
RoL oats or cephiro
RoL will not do dick all the entire game and is a massive question mark.
Oats is just oats---barely dodged a lynch yesterday, hasn't done a whole lot today and I can't read him---not enitrely sure he is scum here but again he's gonna be a question mark for a while
Cephiro ----traitor claim amongst other things
I don't include gumshoe in this list notably because I believe he is town despite him lurking like an asshole.
Prplhz in regards to your question---there are worse offenders that need to be gotten rid of honestly. What BH has done with the way he full on defended fool is he inextricably linked them together. foolishness has declined to comment on the matter. I believe at this point considering the way it has been handled they are either both town or both scum. Certainly the latter is possible and considering my scum read on BH, actually somewhat likely ( but then of course you get into the 'why would BH hard defend a scum buddy wifom), but if they are town we are losing a way more valuable member of town in foolishness than any of the others mentioned.
Look again if the majority is coming around to the cases on him I'll sheep along as I don't feel anywhere near as strongly about him not being scum than Snb (and I still helped lynch that guy ) but right now questions marks need to be removed if at the very least to make this game even slightly more difficult for scum.
No, no, no. We will make this game more difficult for scum by LYNCHING scum. Get on the wagon already.
@Poofter: You will have to explain your weird connection case between Koshi and Foolishness in detail very soon.
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Ok, so does anyone have a reason why I should not shoot the crap out of Poofter right now?
Also grats to Palmar and WoS who complained heavily AFTER THE SHOT but said nothing (afaik) before when poofter announced he would do that.
On May 01 2014 07:13 Palmar wrote:
Blazinghand, Foolishness, Poofter, VA all need to die.
Maybe Oats, maybe slam, maybe rol.
That's what I have been saying all day, lol. Those are literally exactly my reads. You town after all?
Someone give me 1-2 Posts please (to votechange - although that won't happen - or shoot) I have none left. I know I have been wasteful, sorry 
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On May 01 2014 07:35 Tehpoofter wrote:##Donate: 4 posts to JustanothertownieShow nested quote +On May 01 2014 07:19 OdinOfPergo wrote:rip Koshi I think you were town at least Which makes me think Poof is not town for #1 not waiting for this shot until he really had to take it..
instead of like 4 hours early.But wait I'm so confused.. Because scum having 2 extra shots during the day seems so strong.. so many people with guns this game. I waited something like 8 hours than I said I was going to and Koshi didn't do shit he just complained that I'm scum or really bad. He waffled on Oats who I think should be the lynch today and wasn't trying to solve the game or push a lynch at all he just was typing in caps a lot. Not in the same way Austin was look at Austin posts Vs koshi. Jat What specifically makes you think My shot was scum motivated? Do you think I've been trying to figure out the game? like if you think I missed I can understand having different viewpoints I'd think it would be dumb if we lynched Foolishness but I still think you're town cause you're working on figuring out the game. tbh if you're going to shoot shoot like w.e. I killed a mafia with my shot so I'm happy you're welcome town. We need to consolidate votes!!! We need 10 for a lynch and I don't think were at it. We need to not let scum Oats get away with another day of coasting and being the 2nd lynch.
The fact that your shot was awful makes me think that. You argued that trying to solve the game after he was shot is scummy. How is that even remotely true? Why would he do that as scum? Why would he tell Odin to not save him? No, he was town. You simply don't shoot active players who will be readable later on. At least get on the wagon of justice now -_-
On May 01 2014 07:36 austinmcc wrote:gg possibly town kosherino? Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 07:07 Palmar wrote:
why on earth would you shoot an active player like that you moron. What has Koshi done with his activity in the last almost 72 hours? Like...2 ideas that he's actually pushed, or a read that he made out of the blue, or a new perspective on anything.
Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 07:22 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so does anyone have a reason why I should not shoot the crap out of Poofter right now? Also grats to Palmar and WoS who complained heavily AFTER THE SHOT but said nothing (afaik) before when poofter announced he would do that. On May 01 2014 07:13 Palmar wrote:
Blazinghand, Foolishness, Poofter, VA all need to die.
Maybe Oats, maybe slam, maybe rol.
That's what I have been saying all day, lol. Those are literally exactly my reads. You town after all? Someone give me 1-2 Posts please (to votechange - although that won't happen - or shoot) I have none left. I know I have been wasteful, sorry BECAUSE THE GAME GOING LONG IS BAD FOR SCUM. MORE DAYS IF THEY HAVEN'T KILLED DOCS/COPS MEANS TOWN GETS EXTRA USES FROM POWER ROLES. MORE DAYS MEANS MORE MISLYNCHES THEY NEED TO GET. MORE DAYS MEANS LESS HIDING PLACES, MORE CHANCES FOR THEM TO GET CAUGHT/OTHER PEOPLE TO BE CONFIRMED TOWN. MORE DAYS IS GOOD. MORE PEOPLE ALIVE IS GOOD. SHOOTING PEOPLE MEANS LESS PEOPLE ALIVE. There's also the fact that coroner gets a check a night, and so maxing out at a single unflipped person per day is somewhat better for us than multiple folks unflipped.
I went back to look at some past oats games, but didn't get super far because I'm not quite sure what exactly I'm looking for or how to show it, and I haven't played/read every oats game. Basically, this one seems similar to Nuclear Winter to me. I thought Oats's reads were wrong, called him on it, he kind of halfway shrugged it off with answers I didn't like, and I ended up being CERTAIN he was scum. Then just...doing nothing with it. And there was no traction elsewhere to push him. + Show Spoiler +On July 10 2013 23:46 austinmcc wrote:Oats, I'm...kind of interested in where you slot your reads within a specific group. In this post I half-mentioned rayn's plan, and I posted my suspicions about FirmTofu, specifically those two posts that I found scummy. Very next post is you: Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah seems kinda like he has extra info. And just adding JUST IN CASE stuff to look active. scummy man. Which implies that you kind of like my thoughts, and find FirmTofu scummy. At best, you say nothing about me, but are worried about the FirmTofu posts I was worried about, and are scummy on FT. But zen we come to zees post: Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 09:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace, if dandel is replaced, do you still want to lynch that slot?
Austin looking like scum because rayn's reads are good and cause he asked me about why I used 1 shot yesterday and never drew any conclusions. Fake activity.
##vote Austin
Firmtofu, basically you think jampi scumslipped right?
You wake up, and are now scummy enough on me to vote, despite never actually mentioning me before. rayn's reads must be very, very convincing. Do you actually agree with his reasoning? Por que? You also question FirmTofu about jampidampi, and then later about me: + Show Spoiler +On July 10 2013 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hmm.
Thoughts on Austin Firmtofu?
I find all this curious, because before sleeping you were scummy on FirmTofu, and didn't indicate any read on me (yes, I know the rayn post and me not following up on your power usage occurred after my post on FirmTofu, but it's odd for your read to spring up overnight). When FirmTofu gives youa read on jampi, you answer with: Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 10:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
I feel that the jampi case has too much speculation in it. Do you think he is scum if you ignore the nuke thing? Here's mah problem with all that. You found FirmTofu scummy. Then you asked him about jampidampi and myself. I don't know if you noticed my own jampidampi thoughts or not, but he's one of the folks I actually think came out looking bad from rayn's shennanies. You may disagree with FT's jampi post directly, think there's too much speculation, but you don't ACTUALLY seem interested in jampidampi because (1) you never give your own thoughts directly and (2) you seem to ignore every other post on jampidampi, and there had recently been a couple. You're focused only on FT's post. So plox to enlighten us with what you actually think about myself, FirmTofu, jampidampi, and heck, throw in VA while you're at it, because he's kind of connected in the reads that myself and FirmTofu have given. It's not damning, but your hopping around here looks scummy to me, because it doesn't seem like you've got real reads and you're just floating around. On July 11 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace is doing jack shit and it worries me.
Austin, I woke up, caught up, decided that Firmtofu wasnt actually scummy for the fake nuke thing, its just speculation.
And that therefore, with 2 bullshit cases, and the random advice for not much reason, I think you are scum.
Im waiting for jampis response to case by FT.
I havent read VA that much if at all On July 11 2013 00:53 austinmcc wrote:Oats...what are you doing. You call out Ace for doing jack shit, but I haven't really seen you do anything other than stop a nuke D1. You say this: Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace is doing jack shit and it worries me.
Austin, I woke up, caught up, decided that Firmtofu wasnt actually scummy for the fake nuke thing, its just speculation.
And that therefore, with 2 bullshit cases, and the random advice for not much reason, I think you are scum.
Im waiting for jampis response to case by FT.
I havent read VA that much if at all But I had suspicions of FirmTofu because of his posts around the D1 lynch. Had nothing to do with the fake nuke thing, and when you found him scummy there was nothing about FirmTofu and the fake nuke thing. If you think my cases are bullshit, then you didn't follow the D1 lynch and you're not following the timing of the game at all. If you think I'm giving random advice, rather than advice that limits mafia's options and trying to set up a plan for how town is going to approach nukes/nuking this game, you are a sillybilly. And this: Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
I am willing to give dandels replacement a chance to play the game since dandel didnt. is even more sillybilly-esque. Nobody KEPT DI from playing the game, he chose not to. He chose to do nothing that would affect the game, despite checking in from time to time. That's a conscious decision, and it says something about his alignment. The fact that you cast it aside and don't see it as AT ALL telling on his alignment, despite having played with him, despite him almost getting lynched, and despite all the posts that people having dug up on how scum DI plays/thinks...well, that doesn't look good for you. You're either mafia or you're choosing not to actually read and participate in this game, skating by on having saved someone from a nuke. On July 11 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dude. Advice given so far has been useless. Your post on FirmTofu was about the claim not the fake nuke, my apologies but my point still stands.
D1 you lynched town, it looks like you want to lynch another townread of mine again. Now is austin bad? No.
So therefore you are scum.
I firmly believe that dandel would play to win unless he really couldnt so I dont feel that its alignment indicative. On July 11 2013 01:06 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dude. Advice given so far has been useless. Your post on FirmTofu was about the claim not the fake nuke, my apologies but my point still stands.
D1 you lynched town, it looks like you want to lynch another townread of mine again. Now is austin bad? No.
So therefore you are scum.
I firmly believe that dandel would play to win unless he really couldnt so I dont feel that its alignment indicative. So far, yeah, it's been useless. Do you think it's not a good idea for people who can't keep up with the thread to try and participate? Do you think that it's a good idea for town to exert majority control over nukes, using them as extra lynches? D1 I lynched town, yup. The plurality did too, I heard it wasn't just me. (1) Holy balls I have lynched plenty of townies. I think in my last town game I mainly wanted to lynch town iamp. I think in one of my more recent towngames I basically ONLY wanted to lynch townies, whatever that one was that we both played in and I just argued with marv. (2) Moreover, if you think DI is town, then you think that with the lynch looking like it was going to be on DI D1, I posted that ON case and voted ON and caused a stir just to lynch a different townie. That's fine, that's solid play in my mind, but if I needed to look active/townie, there might have been better ways to get active than writing that case and getting a townie lynched. (3) If you think DI's absence is NOT alignment indicative, then how do you have a townread on him? On July 11 2013 01:08 austinmcc wrote:
I think that if I'm your top scumread, you're mafia or really just being lazy. None of what you're saying really makes sense. And whether or not my plans/advice is "useless" doesn't indicate whether you think it's actually good or bad advice, advice that, if followed, would favor town or mafia.
If I'm gonna give useless advice, I can make up useless advice all day. But if the advice is town-favored, maybe that's important, whether other people are taking it or not. However, if you'll note, ain't nobody fired off no nukes yet today. Maybe my advice is useless, maybe it's not. On July 11 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont have dandel as a townread, where the fuck do you get that?
Austin, maybe scum aint got a nuke so your advice doesnt affect your team.
Can you explain how Im scum if I think you are scum? OMGUS much? On July 11 2013 01:17 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont have dandel as a townread, where the fuck do you get that?
Austin, maybe scum aint got a nuke so your advice doesnt affect your team.
Can you explain how Im scum if I think you are scum? OMGUS much? Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
D1 you lynched town, it looks like you want to lynch another townread of mine again. I want to lynch DI --> xigxag. Assumed this was referring to him. If scum doesn't have nukes, THEN WHY DOES MZ HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO SHUT DOWN NUKE FACTORIES? You think that MZ, as town, can shut down nuke factories, but only town has the ability to produce nukes? The fact that a town role does that means anti-town forces have that. Scum not having nukes in this game would be like nobody having alignments in a DT game, or there being no KP in a game with medics. The role wouldn't exist in a regular game unless it could be used in a way that benefits town. Again, you're not reading the game closely enough. I don't care if you think i'm scummy. I think that if I'm your TOP scumread, you're either really not paying attention or you're scum. It's not pure OMGUS, it's more...you are asking people for a lot of reads, and giving out very very little content that you yourself generate, whole cloth. You pop me out as your top scumread just because you like rayn's reads, which you never actually discuss before magically arriving at me as top scumread. You don't seem to care that there is a legitimate argument that rayn's reads were constructed in a wonky manner, made by multiple people. On July 11 2013 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dunno dude, there have been millers with no cops.
Speculation is bad.
What is the legitimate argument that rayns reads are bad?
Here's the main chunk of Oats/me talking in Nuclear. I was town; he was mafia. Oats was pretty active on D1, but his votes/reads didn't look right to me, and I called him out on it. His response, almost like this, is to just sort of try to ... shrug off the pressure. Besides calling me mafia, which hasn't really happened the same way here, he NEVER really responds to the meat of my arguments --> he doesn't really want to chat about DI or his reads or how they progress, just how I'm mafia, or speculation is bad, or just shrug off that he didn't really have the reads I think he has. THIS WAS MY CONCLUSION AT ONE POINT THERE You're either mafia or you're choosing not to actually read and participate in this game, skating by on having saved someone from a nuke AND TA DA! Oats has chosen not to read and participate in this game. In a SIMILAR vein to that game, Oats's reads don't line up for me. Palmar is super mega anti-town, but then utterly GONE once snb comes up. Nothing on Palmar today. No voting for Palmar, troll-voting for Palmar, anything. Just say he's anti-town early, do NOTHING with it, swap reads in ways I don't think make sense, etc. I may be overdrawing parallels, but the time games are very very similar in my mind, and this is why I'm pushing him so hard. I forgot about Oats in that game, despite KNOWING he was mafia off that bit. We all let him skate. Nobody hopped on board. And mafia mostly-cruised to a win. Boo. I remembered him being MORE posty and responsive, and still scumhunting, during Thug Life once he started getting serious accusations of being mafia. But that game was long, and there aren't a lot of quotes in his filter to show where people started getting super scummy on him, just I remember that happening and defending him there. Whatever. I don't think he's town. NOBODY seems to think he's actively town. That's not good imo. If you're mafia, FREE MISLYNCH. Just say you're sheeping me, jump on oats, mislynch, yayayaya. It's hard as hell to push a lynch on a guy who is actively just NOT POSTING AT ALL, not caring about this game one bit. Anyone who thinks that's just "oats being oats" is wrong, imo, from what I remember and what I saw in Thug Life, townoats gets accused of being scummy, yes, but he still does STUFF while responding to accusations, even jokingly. Here, NO STUFF. STUFF? NO! That's a one-game sample and that is bad of me, but here's the magical Oatsmaster Challenge. Can anyone who says this is "oats being oats" point to a game where he dropped a game this hard after being accused? Just...never ever posting, and when he posts it's really only to say his accusers are bad? If you cannot find a game like that, then what you actually think is "I believe this is oats being oats, but I'm not actually sure, because I haven't looked back to make sure I remember oats properly." And if you look back and can't find anything, then you're wrong about oats being oats, and you need to be thinking about oats being lynched.
Ok ok ok. I won't shoot him for now. Prplhz already convinced me and Poofter actually gave me posts... we will see.
I already tried to read some oats games earlier today (catastrophe, foundation, PYP, another one I forgot) and found out that I can't distinguish between his town and scumplay for the life of me. If you are unsure just get on the foolishness wagon and we lynch that scummer.
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On May 01 2014 08:07 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Jat so the BH Foolish supposed QT thing do you think thtas a play made by scum? If so is it scum/scum or scum/town? Like BH coming out to say that Foolish is town because of a QT makes it hard for it to be Scum/Scum imo because thats like a mega risky play they have to bank on especially since BH calimed hes a recruiter and therefore HAS to pull more people into his QT therefore verifying his claims. So I think that BH here can't be scum with Foolish... I read Foolish as town so I'm thinking BH/Foolish Town Jat Odin Austin Me town Ceph's last post moved him off my list tbh like he seemed honestly angry his case wasnt heard.
Jat I'm going to convince you Foolishness isn't scum just give me a minute I'm trying to do this shit from work and apparently today is phone call day so I keep getting interrupted trying to make big posts. grr.
I actually like this post in general but I still think you are wrong. Right now I think Foolishness/BH is scum/scum and I don't see how that would be impossible in any way. Probably they are masons maybe they are not that does not prove their alignment. Yes, they will have to keep recruiting people - why would that be a problem? Another possibility is that BH is town and got totally outplayed by scum Foolishness which is - considering we are talking about BH - of course totally reasonable to think but not as likely as scum/scum in my opinion. Ignore the mason thingy and look at their play - it is really fucking obvious.
I any case Foolishness is scum and should be lynched right meow.
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Ok, seriously. All of the people on oats tell me why Foolishness is town right the fuck now. BHs mason claim does not count. If you can't you're on the wrong wagon.
Austin, take a look at your wagon and tell me you are content with the people on it. I dare you.
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On May 01 2014 09:30 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 09:13 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, seriously. All of the people on oats tell me why Foolishness is town right the fuck now. BHs mason claim does not count. If you can't you're on the wrong wagon.
Austin, take a look at your wagon and tell me you are content with the people on it. I dare you. I think oats is mafia. I want to lynch oats. I am content to HAVE a wagon. If he flips mafia, like I think he will, then I don't super CARE that scum might be on it. Assuming we've got like 4-6 mafia, almost ANY scum lynch probably has some scum on it. This would be ESPECIALLY true if Foolishness is scum, and we came down to a Foolishness/Oats situation. I don't really get this though. There are multiple scum. Most/all of us have multiple scumreads. You're suggesting it's super wrong to lynch one over another. I've got a stronger read on oats. I think oats has other bits that make him a more useful lynch overall, if I were the exact same amount of scummy on them (Foolishness gets to look scummier as game goes on, we get to check people's reads on oats). Can you look at Oats and tell me he's town? The exercise is silly, in and of itself, but I don't think ANYONE can look at either of them and go "Yup, totes town 100%". I'm happy to lynch a person I think is scummy.
No, I absolutely cannot tell you oats is town. But unlike Foolishness oats is KNOWN TO SUCK AS TOWN - it is NOT impossible that he is town.
You can't look at his play and tell me with a straight face that this is town foolishness. You just can't. I have no idea how it is possible to have a stronger scumread on oats.
I am seriously tempted to shoot oats just to end this madness.
On May 01 2014 09:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Foolishness is basically town for
1) posting reads and cases
2) responding to situations and not ignoring them
3) actually reading the thread and interacting with things that happen in the thread.
4) not being afk
Of which all his reads are not doing.
Like, I want you guys to contemplate what you're doing here. There's tons of like lurkers who aren't reading, writing cases, making reads, responding to situations, interacting with the thread. They're all being afk or "being afk"
and here's foolishness actually playing the game and everyone's like "yeah clearly this guy, the guy actually playing the game, is scum"
how serious are you here ._.
SERIOUSLY? Are people even reading what this guy is trying to sell us?
1) Foolishness posted one noteworthy case on SnB which wasn't good and turned out to be wrong. There have been no insightful posts from him today at all. He is just throwing around half heartedly reasoned reads.
2) How does that make anyone town?
3) Proven wrong. Just look at how he answered me when I called him out. Even if it was true that does not make him town.
4) Does not make him town.
BH is still harddefending Foolishness without ANY good argument. Nobody is town just because he is playing the game.
Austin if you get your lynch and oats does not flip scum I will yell and rage at you and you better promise to lead a foolishness lynch day3. I can't believe how hard it is to get that mafia lynched although almost noone really has a townread on him, almost everyone has a townread on me and confirmed town sandroba GUARANTEED that he is in fact scum.
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Oats is actually correct. We want his flip if he dies. Goddamn it.
On May 01 2014 10:04 Tehpoofter wrote: Foolishness Is town because he has clearly been reading the thread and holding people accountable for promises they've made. Note that he is pointing out them and not pushing for their immediate lynch for not doing so. This distinction is important because if he was just like "omg Ceph said he would do something and hasn't lets lynch him" that sounds like mafia pushing for an easy mislynch but he says this instead: Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 04:12 Foolishness wrote:
I'll consolidate my vote onto any of the four austin proposed (with the exception being myself of course).
Also Cephiro promised us something good by half-way into day 2 and has not delivered yet. He wants the info from the player hes not pushing for a lynch instantly he thinks its scummy but hes reasonable and wants to point it out/pressure him to give info. Note in this case it worked as Ceph gave his reads and Foolish responds to them:
This does not make him town in any way. Holy shit, pressuring people to do what they promised is the easiest thing to do as mafia. Looks like you are contributing while in reality you didn’t create any useful content yourself.
On May 01 2014 10:04 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 05:16 Foolishness wrote:On May 01 2014 04:43 Cephiro wrote:Alright. Read through all the filters and have enhanced my opinions and thoughts. This will only be a list post of my thoughts, I am going to elaborate further on a few people during the next few hours. Why I'm posting the list first is because I want to ask from all of you, is there any specific read of mine you'd like me to elaborate on. Depending on who asks and on what read, I may or may not comply. Confirmed Town Club: Cephiro, geript (DEAD), strongandbig (DEAD) Greenish Grasses (Most to least town): austinmcc, justanothertownie, Ace, yamato (DEAD), tehpoofter, WaveOfShadow Neutral Waters (Townier to scummier): VisceraEyes, prplhz, Alakaslam, gumshoe, RebirthOfLegend, VayneOfAuthority Fiery Furnace (Least scummy to scummiest): Caller, Foolishness, Palmar, Koshi, Oatsmaster Joker Category: OdinOfPergo (Slight townread, but I also suspect him to be traitor), Blazinghand (Has traits that make me lean both slightly town as well as slightly scum, however I don't think both he and foolishness would be on the same scumteam) Players I am planning to elaborate on: Blazinghand, Koshi, Foolishness, Caller. On request: Palmar, Oatsmaster (I think most of the things I want to point about these players have been told enough times.) So yeah, there you have it. If you simply agree with some, then nice, but I'd prefer to hear why. If you disagree with some, I won't give a shit about your opinion if you don't give reasoning towards why you disagree. If you want to hear my thoughts about a certain player, explain why, and point out any certain points of importance you're especially interested in knowing my thought process on. On April 28 2014 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:Vote Count! Palmar (1) - Acestrongandbig (13) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, VisceraEyes, RebirthofLegend, BlazingHand, Caller, OdinofPergo, WaveofShadow, VayneAuthority, prplhzOatsmaster (5) - Austinmcc, Yamato77 dead, Strongandbig, justanothertownie, Cephiro, SandrobaAlakaslam (1) - OatsmasterNot Voting (2) - tehpoofter, gumshoe until lynch. With 22 alive, 12 votes are needed to lynch. Above is how I think the lynch went down. I may very well be wrong on something (and most likely am, calling it perfectly would be quite insane), but I'm not interesting in hearing you bash my opinion for "obviously being wrong." If you think something definitely can't be the case, then do tell. My current belief is that there are 5 members in the scumteam + 1 traitor that may or may not have been recruited yet. My assumption is: Koshi, Palmar, Caller, Oatsmaster, Foolishness + OdinOfPergo My main concern about this assumption is including both Palmar and Caller in the team. I like the theory pointed out by WoS early on, and had initial thoughts along the same lines. However I'm not so sure if these two would have the balls to pull it off or not. Palmar's panic reaction seemed genuine, and I can picture it easily in (Caller/Palmar respectively) Scum/Town, Town/Town, Town/Scum situations, but a genuine in panic reaction in a Scum/Scum reaction is something that doesn't add up. With this, I'll be around writing my cases and responding to questions (occasionally and briefly, as I may be needing my available posts today.). I would like to lynch Koshi today. I'm having trouble understanding this world where 3 active town members on day 1 (plus one confirmed town who died at night) who each posted their own cases about why strongandbig should be lynched are mafia and not say the ~8 people who have yet to post a case, contribute to the town or post their own thoughts. I'm also having trouble believing that it's in the best interest to the town to kill the people who are posting cases and contributing and just letting those ~8 people get away with doing nothing. So I would be honored if someone can explain to me why the people who sat around on day 1 are all likely town. And ya know, you can do this by responding to the cases already made or by posting your own. Here he responds to the case and he doesn't like what Ceph had to say (me personally I read him as town because of his post although I dislike his Foolish/Odin read I still think it was town) Foolish here reasons with Ceph's idea not with him. A mafia Foolish could just call ceph scummy and vote for him here its an easy thing to push and he doesn't he argues against the idea to try to get him to follow his thought process. The part I bolded just radiates town: He encourages people to post cases and not just sheep which is an excellent way to catch scum because scum can't just blindly sheep.
Why can’t he do that as mafia? Again he doesn’t say anything insightful himself. Also: HE SEEMS TO HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ALL THE PEOPLE SHEEPING AUSTINS OATS READ RIGHT NOW! FISHY, EH? Who besides austin made a real case on oats, hm?
On May 01 2014 10:04 Tehpoofter wrote:Look at Foolishness' big post for the day: + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2014 07:45 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 05:38 prplhz wrote:
Like Foolishness has done exactly what he said his scum meta is: he completely disappeared d2 after making a bad case on d1. Today we just do what sandroba said, 100% scum lynch on Foolishness. we're not going with some Caller/Ace/Blazinghand bullshit. Today we listen to probably the best town player (no no, not me, sandroba) saying that he's 100% sure on someone else and we lynch Foolishness. Get on with it. Except it wasn't a bad case because 12 people voted on it? Oops. If someone wants to post an actual case against me I'll gladly respond to it (or quote it for me in case I missed it). I haven't seen any real arguments about how I'm mafia. Most of them are silly because they boil down to: 1) sandroba said so. Of which I have to say: a) He also said that Palmar is mafia (and Palmar said he was mafia let's not forget that) and Palmar is a much more questionable character than I am for obvious reasons. b) Like you have never nightkilled someone to incriminate another town? c) I already refuted what sandroba had to say about me. If you need clarification bring up an argument and I'll respond. 2) I pushed a "bad" case on day 1. Of which I have to say: a) It wasn't bad because a bunch of people (including townies) voted on it. b) A bunch of people independently came up with reasons why it was a good lynch. c) It's not my mafia meta like some people claim. According to the past 4 forum mafia games I've played I have either 1) done jack shit while I was alive or 2) make a case but never follow through. On that subject, I return to what I said in an earlier post. Some of you seem to have this idea that yesterday's lynch was a mafia controlled lynch. I find this hard to believe and it's probably not true. The main reason being is because of point 2b) above: a bunch of people all had given reasons why strongandbig was a good lynch, all of which came independently. These people include Koshi, geript (confirmed town), Blazinghand and myself. If this was a mafia controlled lynch than a lot of people who started the wagon on him would have to be mafia (which is not true. Of the 4 people I listed there I'm sure we're all town. At most one is mafia if you want to hedge I guess). Not to mention there was opposition to the lynch in the form of good opposition from people like Odin and prphlz (by this I mean actual reasons behind why he's town and not just "this lynch sucks like some people did"). Furthermore, how many people are there that sat and watched that lynch happen? There's a lot, and I'll come back to those people below and I've already said who in my previous posts. For every person in this game that is making constructive posts and pushing reads it feels like there's 2 people who are sheeping (though 2 is an exaggeration in reality). What do you think is the most likely scenario for what has happened this game: 1) mafia pushed the strongandbig lynch really hard. Of the voters for strongandbig there's ~4 mafia voting, and half the town is sitting derping while this happened. 2) Town pushed a lynch onto a town. Mafia have all their votes spread out and just sat and watched it happened (which means sheeping reads, not pushing whoever they are voting for and letting town self-destruct). It should be clear what happened yesterday unless you're in conspiracy theory land. I'm not really sure what this says about Oatsmaster (if anything) given that he was second in line to be lynched. What I do know is that mafia were very content with how things played out yesterday and did not fear one of their own getting killed. This means that the vast majority (if not all) of the mafia team were sitting back and sheeping along, because why would you put yourself out there to get townie's lynched when you can just let the town do it for you? The people noteworthy here are: RebirthOfLegendWho is guilty of: 1) Sheeping the vote read here: + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2014 04:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
As my tunnel buddy, I'm required to agree with everything foolishness says.
##Vote StrongAndBig And then claiming a whopping 7 hours later that he came to the same conclusion himself... + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2014 11:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Before reading both foolishness and blazinghands cases on SNB I took a look through his filter just so I could get my own read beforehand. I'd be inclined to see it the same as they did. It felt like SNB was trying a bit too hard to be non committal on everything. It just struck me as effort into making sure he wasn't saying anything anyone could take issue with. Foolishness went a bit more indepth and compared it to other games, however I'd say it seemed clear enough that the only real incentive to put effort into being as neutral as humanly possible is to hide the fact you are scum and be able to point fingers at those who were more influential on the D1 lynch.
Sorry about my low activity, I will try to be more consistent with my posting going forward.
Also, ##donate 2 posts to SNB.
You seem to be low on posts, I suppose its only fair to give you a bit more to work with in the few hours before your demise. I will be around until deadline if I don't accidentally fall asleep while watching dreamhack. And then 2) in his most recent post here: Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 07:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On April 28 2014 14:58 gumshoe wrote:
Haro, its late but I owe town a few thoughts. I wont make anymore excuses, suffice to say been a spectacularly busy couple days.
havent had enough to read things too in depth. but heres a few things that stand out, geript is town as far as I can tell, or hes playing hard into his own meta.
I dont think palmer is scum because a) i am all too familiar with the if im going down towns coming with me mentality, (not specifically in mafia but other traitor games like bsg) its a shit scum strat because threatening people in a game with virtually no stakes is a bad idea, you cant cowe a town with this many great players and I dont think scum plam would try it. seems like a rage play. As scum Hes better off using his time to influence town, because he will never flip thanks to callers nuke.
b) pardoner seems like a shit role for scum, seeing as if you use to save your buddy, you instantly become a target and he just gets lynched tommorow.
I have a few preliminary scum reads but I need to get completely intimate with das thread first : P not going to throw myself into another retarded tunnel again if I can help it.
2 am here T_T night all, gl.
Scum can't pardon other scum unless Bill Murry is hosting. The ability usually used in order to put the town a few steps back when there is a scum pardoner and generally to cause chaos. But yes, it usually does need to be used in such a way to where the person giving the pardon can escape the ire of the town the following day. But yeah, it's not the best role for scum, but's it's more useful then a vanilla scum role because it can situationally be used to fuck with the town. IIRC we had a mafia pardoner in the last game I ran, although we kind of derp'd the implementation a bit. Personally I could see the point being made that if Palmar thought he was going to die, he might as well use the power. He can be town and have had such a huge town read on prplhz which I don't think is too likely on D1, or he could be a scum pardoner who figured he'd take the chance to just fuck with the town a bit while he can (assuming the nuke was real). IMO I think scenario 2 makes more sense because no read should be that strong day 1 to the point where you would remove the towns option to kill a person.
Also, let's not forget he said he was going to try to fuck us, whether or not it was an act or genuine rage it seems quite scummy to me. He says that what Palmar did is quite scummy. Yet he said nothing about Palmar on day 1 (or Caller for that matter). He also promised that he would give the town something by the end of night 1 and he did not deliver. So let's get this straight. He says that Palmar is scummy for trying to mess with the town on day 1 (true statement, yes). Yet he did not feel the need to say anything about it on day 1 and just go along with the strongandbig read? What townie thinks that someone is likely scum and then not vote him, not say anything about it, and not push him? Yes, he is noteworthy for being an inactive player. When he's town he's much more aggressive with his reads and actually pushes his targets. Check out his post here from a game where he's town. Note that he actually makes a case using his own thoughts and follows through (he talks about cheesecake in later posts as well). When he's mafia he never makes a constructive case like this and only provides backhanded reasoning. In purgatory and storm mafia (where he's mafia) he comments on a lot of things to make it seem like he cares but he doesn't have the vested interest in hunting mafia or figuring out the game. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegendWaveOfShadowWho is guilty of: 1) Not doing anything day 1 in a broad sense. He's always a big presence in the thread but most people seem to have forgotten he was even in this game (I know I did on multiple occasions). 2) Flailing his vote around on day 1. First voting for sandroba here + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2014 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
I was actually going to suggest more people shoot so we can use the coroner and veal a whole bunch of stuff at once ( I'm assuming its a one shot that only reveals one set of no flips )
Also ##Vote:sandroba
And then unvoting an hour and a half later (to his credit that was when sandroba came back to the thread and voted a bunch). Then voting for Oats even though he doesn't like the case here: + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2014 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
Dunno man, looks like Oats bein' Oats to me. I'd lynch him over SnB though for sure. 3) Says Palmar is suspicious and should probably be lynched but never doing anything about it: Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 06:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also Ace hasn't mentioned NBA or posted gifs
Lynch dat guy
I think question today honestly comes down to which of the older vets cares the least and we lunch them
S ndroba/ace/palmar/caller gogogogo Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catastrophe was the first time I've ever seen SnB play that hard.
Start to this game feels like that. I've already explained Foolishness's meta read as not being great, what are the other cases against him?
I dunno this is one of those things I feel ok about, not Shadow-game VE-read amazing. I personally think we should be lynching into one of the useless vets today, because ultimately they are the ones who seem to get the most demotivated and lurky when they roll scum.
Not sure what that means for Palmar specifically---I could totally see him being a jerk like that as town but I'd be perfectly fine to lynch him for his weird spitefulness.
I can donate some posts maybe so we can continue this convo if necessary. What do you make of Slam's shot and random-ass addendum that he was going to shoot me? That post he made is probably the most sense I have ever seen him make, and it was BAD. Like...scum-bad. Who knows how to read that guy? 4) Follows some weird train of thought that ends up with him voting Blazinghand? I can't even follow his logic through this one. He keeps saying he wants to sheep someone but doesn't seem to quite know where to go with that. He's either bored townie or mafia. I don't think I've ever seen him bored. PalmarWho is guilty of a lot of things. To be clear I will maintain my position that Palmar is town but I am still listing him here because he fits the bill and I would still vote for him should the rest of us decide he needs to die. My vote is staying on the better case for now. OastmasterWho is guilty of: 1) Voting for strongandbig without any reasoning here: + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2014 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
man wtf yamato why are you derailing a lynch and not proposing anything else you useless bastard.
For the record, I am totes fine with SnB lynch and I now think that geript is not scum because he dropped his policy lynch. Which he had arguably more reason to continue with
##unvote
##vote SnB
Im going to sleep, kill scum guyys pls.
2) General absence on day 1. He was next in line to get lynched and hardly seemed to care. --- I have to stop here for now but I know I'm on the cusp of having this figured out. He comes out with his reads in a concise case like fashion hes pushing on people that either haven't done shit or have been doing scummy shit. The only weird thing he says is about Palmer and I called him out for it and he later gave in my opinion his only weird post of the day:
I already posted earlier how the story he is inventing in this post makes no fucking sense since he assumes scum sat back while their buddy oats was on the verge of getting lynched. Pushing on people that haven’t done shit is the easy thing to do. Especially when those people are known to do so like RoL and oats.
On May 01 2014 10:04 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 09:53 Foolishness wrote:On April 30 2014 08:40 Tehpoofter wrote:@ Foolishness, Did you read my case on Koshi? At first I thought it was one of the two of you just from reading and after filter diving Koshi I feel like what he did was get a snowball rolling and instead of pushing it let you get behind it and do the leg work and slightly cheer on the sidelines "go team" knowing SNB was town and defending his potential buddy in Oats more than pushing his lynch. I really liked your post you bring up RoL sheeping you and I read his filter after your post and he really hasn't done much at all and not coming through with his promise is scummy. My question is him sheeping you is odd what do you think of Koshi's post here: On April 27 2014 06:46 Koshi wrote:
I am sorry but if Foolishness says you are scum. You are scum. No need to second guess it.
##Vote: prphlz Especially when Koshi follows it up saying he thinks prphlz might be town/doesn't know why hes scummy but basically hes voting because you said so??? + Show Spoiler +On April 27 2014 07:13 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2014 07:05 justanothertownie wrote:On April 27 2014 06:56 Koshi wrote:
GREAT ANALYSIS JAT. REALLY NICE. VERY THOUGHTFUL.
Above message is sarcastic.
The reason to why it is sarcastic is because you don't give any input at all about prplhz his alignment. You use meta I think. But the only thing I remember in Foolishness his meta is pure gold and awesomeness.
But even if there is something. Are you saying because foolishness once said that a guy was scum while he was town it now counts for all future games?
Your blind worshipping is just getting on my nerves tbh. Foolishness did exactly this to WoS in the shadow game. As long as almighty Foolishness doesn't explain to me why prplhz is scummy I will just ignore him and you should too. At least if you have no scumread on that guy on your own. I literally do this in every game marv is in and you never have a problem with it. You are even pushing me away to have marv his penis for you alone. Now suddenly it is a problem I follow the great Foolishness? I don't know what it is that makes prplhz scummy. I see: 1) trying to help town atmosphere saying stuff that is good for town atmosphere in theory. Then also votes Caller and gives reasoning. Asks a question to VE that probably has nothing to do with scumhunting. Asks the guys who think Caller is town why they think Caller is town. 2) Helping people who can't read the OP. Asking some questions to Ace that might not have anything to do with scumhunting. 3) Tell Oats he is wrong and Caller is scum. 4) Telling Caller he is scum. 5) Telling the thread Caller is scum. So I am going on blind trust here.
Foolishness town hero. Can you go into a bit further detail on what you think of Palmer? like basically you're saying "I think he's town but I'd vote he's also not the best case" Ill look through your filter for a case you have on Palmer after this but I don't recall it. @town I Think Koshi is most definitely the scum between Foolish and Koshi.... look at the way they've played the game Koshi brings up a case on SNB but doesn't ever really push it he also defends the other lynch candidate Oats who if you read Austin's case looks scummy as well. I feel like he also REALLY wanted the Geript kill to be meaningful and brought it up very very quickly after the day start something I think mafia does because they know who is going to die. I am most likely shooting Koshi before days end unless some people I find townie can convince me otherwise (I'm looking at you austin, odin, ace, palmer, foolish). I think the lynch needs to be between Oats/WoS/BH/RoL I am going to read filters on them and decide where to place my vote. Koshi you have about 12 hours or so to convince me you're town or you'll be the proud owner of a bullet! Koshi was one of the few posting things of substance yesterday so I thought he was town. I agree with you that his flip-flop-ness is questionable. I haven't looked at any of his past games (yet) so I'm not sure how normal this is for him. I do think you bring up some good points though, not sure if I'd shoot him yet. I'm just going to change my Palmar read status to: "I don't know". Thought he was town, but maybe not cause he had that bad post where he gave a bunch of reads day 1. Thought he was town again, but him dying would answer a lot of questions I think. I don't know. Would not bat an eye if he died. This is the only weird part of his reads and the only thing that felt off to me. Not sure how much I like this answer but the rest of his posts feel town to me and I can't see myself voting on him today over Oats who has been lurky is very much tied to Koshi and gives us a TON of info for vote analysis on flip. JAT Point out where I'm going wrong please but I think Foolish is town. 15(I have a double post idk how but counting it) (+4 given)
I concede that getting oats alignment is pretty valuable but if it comes at the expense of a possible mislynch while we could have lynched obvious scum Foolishness it just isn’t worth it. Nothing you posted makes Foolishness town. Literally nothing.
On May 01 2014 10:28 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 10:11 justanothertownie wrote:On May 01 2014 09:30 austinmcc wrote:On May 01 2014 09:13 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, seriously. All of the people on oats tell me why Foolishness is town right the fuck now. BHs mason claim does not count. If you can't you're on the wrong wagon.
Austin, take a look at your wagon and tell me you are content with the people on it. I dare you. I think oats is mafia. I want to lynch oats. I am content to HAVE a wagon. If he flips mafia, like I think he will, then I don't super CARE that scum might be on it. Assuming we've got like 4-6 mafia, almost ANY scum lynch probably has some scum on it. This would be ESPECIALLY true if Foolishness is scum, and we came down to a Foolishness/Oats situation. I don't really get this though. There are multiple scum. Most/all of us have multiple scumreads. You're suggesting it's super wrong to lynch one over another. I've got a stronger read on oats. I think oats has other bits that make him a more useful lynch overall, if I were the exact same amount of scummy on them (Foolishness gets to look scummier as game goes on, we get to check people's reads on oats). Can you look at Oats and tell me he's town? The exercise is silly, in and of itself, but I don't think ANYONE can look at either of them and go "Yup, totes town 100%". I'm happy to lynch a person I think is scummy. No, I absolutely cannot tell you oats is town. But unlike Foolishness oats is KNOWN TO SUCK AS TOWN - it is NOT impossible that he is town. You can't look at his play and tell me with a straight face that this is town foolishness. You just can't. I have no idea how it is possible to have a stronger scumread on oats. I am seriously tempted to shoot oats just to end this madness. Meh, I don't think oats sucks as town. And I'm confident in that read. I've mislynched before. I will likely mislynch again, assuming I play even just a single other game. It's cool, but you're getting super super worked up over this, when we've had 48 hours now. I know you've been on Foolishness's case, calling him out, but it's not like Oats hasn't had votes, hasn't been a lynch option. I don't care if you can read oats or not. Look at THIS GAME. What's the towniest thing he's done? The scummiest? If you're townoats, what's your thought process throughout the game. Same for scum. Given that you were worried about a chance to defend himself, do you feel he adequately did so? Does it seem he really...TRIED? Did he try/not try in a townie/scummy way? BLAH BLAH BLAH. Who cares if you can read oatsmaster. Is whoever is behind the computer, logging onto the Oatsmaster account, helping town this game? Trying to help town? Show nested quote +Austin if you get your lynch and oats does not flip scum I will yell and rage at you and you better promise to lead a foolishness lynch day3. I can't believe how hard it is to get that mafia lynched although almost noone really has a townread on him, almost everyone has a townread on me and confirmed town sandroba GUARANTEED that he is in fact scum. If Oats flips town, I'll go boohoo and I'll read stuff and see where things are at. We'll also have kills, possible claims, blah blah. You're really up in arms here. Poofter you're not helping my paranoia, lol.
That’s not how this game works austin. Because it is just a fact that it is oats that is behind the computer. No it does not seem like he really tried but does that make him scum? No, it doesn’t. Look at Titanic I if you don’t believe me.
If someone has posts to spare I will always take them of course. If I am not mistaken I have one left and will save this to be able to switch which I will only do if we nolynch otherwise.
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On May 01 2014 10:52 Tehpoofter wrote:
#Donate: 1 post to Justanothertownie
@Jat. If you're so confident on foolish we have roles outed that can help make sure your shot hits or you can shoot him and vote Oats. Like I think foolish is town and both of these ideas I think are really terrible but IF we happen to be wrong on Oats I think we have a safety net in the fact that you still have a bullet. I agree with your point that Oats can look scummy as town but I felt like in Titanic he put through the effort to at least try to find scum in this game I haven't seen that and he looks a lot like he did right before and after he Trapped WoS in that Catastrophe game as scum. Also Jat who on the Oats train do you think is scummy? I realize I'm probably among them since we didn't see eye to eye on my shot but who else? just me?
@Austin Sorry if I make you paranoid bro just trying to lynch scum. What do you think of Ace/VE not being here and voting no one that is going to get lynched today? I had town reads on both starting the day but their lurkyness is giving me pause.
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On May 01 2014 07:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 07:13 Palmar wrote:
Blazinghand, Foolishness, Poofter, VA all need to die.
Maybe Oats, maybe slam, maybe rol.
That's what I have been saying all day, lol. Those are literally exactly my reads. You town after all?
You want to know who I think is scum on oats? Go figure.
Oats forgot he was medic in Titanic I and didn't save anyone for several cycles to go mia later on in the game. Oh yeah, and he defended the most obvious scum in the game for a "townslip".
Whatever seems like he will be the lynch. Let us hope he is scum and damn you all if he isn't.
Hmm, watch Ace waste his vote AGAIN like an asshole.
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On May 01 2014 11:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
its too easy, should we abort the oats lynch? idk if i like this
u so funny
##Unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster
Just so there is a lynch if any of those scummers decides he'd prefer a no lynch.
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Good job austin. Dayvig... weird.
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On May 01 2014 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually this likely clears a LOT of people especially since Oats didn't use his shot. I can't see any conceivable way scum would bus him knowing he'd just lay down like that.
Austin make a list or something I'm way too damn lazy this game (I'm sorry and I love you for keeping shit going)
What the fuck? Hell no! Why would they not bus him? He could have shot last second if he wanted to. No idea why he didn't but it does not clear anyone.
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Oh shit I forgot about the most votes mechanic. Interesting. There could be information to be gained here. Sorry WoS! 
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On May 01 2014 12:31 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 12:21 justanothertownie wrote:Oh shit I forgot about the most votes mechanic. Interesting. There could be information to be gained here. Sorry WoS! This is especially pertinent. Good catch day 1 austin. So the fact that scum had a day vig we have myself as town day vig Jat claiming it and Slam already to have shot I think scum having equal amounts of vig shots to town would make sense if so I think Jat although really wrong on foolish/Oats wouldn't be that pushy on it as scum knowing the Oats flip is likely.
You can call me wrong if foolishness flips town as long as that does not happen this is simply not true. I never once called oats town. This lynch was a bus if I ever saw one (I am pretty sure prplhz is town, Palmar maybe too). Why would all those people bus oats if Foolishness is town? Exactly. Foolishness is still scum and Blazinghand too. Look how this guy pushed for the snb lynch when oats got traction day1.
On May 02 2014 01:44 austinmcc wrote:
I'm honestly not sure how Koshi will flip. The post-shot stuff looked nice, but I was quite worried about him, especially if Oats was mafia. Hopefully we find out later on.
Koshi wanted me to shoot oats and you think he was scum?
On May 02 2014 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Austin something JAT did very recently struck me as odd.
If you don't die wanna hash that out with me?
PS I find it mostly hard to believe a scum JAT would blatantly push hard against an Oats lynch when the rest of his team basically didn't give a shit. Lol or perhaps that's WHY he pushed specifically?
Meh.
Ill be around deadline-ish maybe a little before.
If you want to call me scum then fucking do it, pussy. What kind of bullshit post is that?
I am obviously town already and when Foolishness flips that will be even more clear.
Will be back much later since I have only one post left (always taking donations of course).
4/5
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Ok, I will give my thoughts for the unlikely case that I get shot.
The people that got dayvigged:
Both probably town. I already said some stuff about why Koshi was town - listen to Odin if you are in doubt. Yamato I thought was town earlier and by now I am pretty sure about that considering how hard he went against the SnB and therefore FOR the oats lynch. Makes slam look bad btw.
Town:
austin - Lead the scumlynch, played towny all around. No doubt about this in my mind.
prplhz - Helpful observations like the votecount thing he posted, gave posts to the poor, pushed Foolishness, was on oatsmaster day1 when it mattered.
odin - The Koshi situation. His play didn't impress me otherwise but that read genuine to me.
Maybe town:
WoS - Was on oats day1, had some thoughts I had (re: BH for example).
Cephiro - Was on oats day1 and had good reads later on. Might be traitor but he could also have tried to do some retarded play as town. It wouldn't be the first time.
Palmar - Good reads.
Null:
VE - Have him as town in my spreadsheet but I don't remember why.
Caller - Went after Vayne (good) but I am not sold.
Ace - Could be town, could be scum. The only thing I know is that he is absolutely useless.
RoL - another useless lurker, Foolishness pushing him as lynch target day3 slightly points towards town though
gumshoe - another useless lurker
Maybe scum:
Poofter - Shot town Koshi, defended scum Foolishness with really shitty reasoning. He was the one that ultimately prevented oats from shooting though.
Slam - Shot town yamato. Didn't seem to have fun and even made posts that indicated a somewhat sane person writing them. I would somehow feel bad lynching him for that though...
Vayne - I already gave reasoning for this one.
Scum. Lynch with fire:
Blazinghand - Has not said anything useful all game. The only things he sort of pushed for were a gumshoe lynch day2 (crapshoot) and the SnB day1 when oats was getting traction (scummy as fuck). Besides that he defended Foolishness without ever giving even a single good reason for that.
Foolishness - Made 1 bad case on town day1. No useful contribution since then. Totally fucked up his line of thought in his big post about the day1 lynch. Tried to discredit me without even reading my posts in detail. Complained to noone in particular when he got heat instead of trying to convince people by contributions. No fucking way this guy is town. There is also Sandrobas read on this one.
The day2 was definitely a bus. There is no other way. Just look at the final votecount - do you really see a scumteam where noone is on oats at the end? I don't.
So, why not go after the other wagon Foolishness when it still would have been possible to get him lynched if you are scum? Yep, because he is scum too.
Take a look at when Foolishness and BH voted for oats. Oats was already unable to use his shot at that point, RoL did not get traction and the only other alternative was Foolishness himself. So they bussed him.
I never, NEVER said Foolishness was scum for going after a town oats mislynch. My accusation on Foolishness was always completely independent of oats' alignment.
Do you guys really think the best town Foolishness could come up with right now is a not very substantiated scumread on a lurker (RoL)? There is no insight, there is no effort - there is only scummyness.
5/5
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On May 02 2014 12:38 Foolishness wrote:
I just reposted the case JAT. What about is not substantiated?
You are going after a lurker for lurking/doing nothing. I remember your cases in the shadow game, I remember your cases in catastrophe. This is nothing like that.
On May 02 2014 12:40 Foolishness wrote:
Actually nevermind, I think you and I can just agree to disagree at this point cause it's not going anywhere.
That's a nice way of saying you're going on my ignore list btw. <3
So you think I am town I take it? Not very protown move of you then.
On May 02 2014 12:39 Blazinghand wrote:
The only thing I'd call 5/5 in that post is the glorious respite we get from the garbage you call logic for the rest of the night.
Another glorious contribution by based town hero Blazinghand. Perfectly in line with the rest of his filter.
On May 02 2014 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 12:21 justanothertownie wrote:Oh shit I forgot about the most votes mechanic. Interesting. There could be information to be gained here. Sorry WoS! This apology looks weird and forced, like you were caught at something and wanted to look good. You've been nothing but derisive and insulting towards me all game, and then this. In reality when I was talking about having a lot of people cleared I hadn't even really considered the voting mechanic (ie Oats not being ABLE to shoot at that point), I was simply talking about how I don't think scum would push him so that he'd be forced to use his shot and/or die but obviously with the voting mechanic this makes more sense. Even if the voting mechanic didn't exist,a 1 for 1 trade at this point in the game (just like in Catastrophe) is not good for scum, so bussing early makes zero sense. Now why did you feel the need to apologize to me?
Because I thought you were talking about the voting mechanic. If you didn't the post I made before the one you quoted stands. You can believe that bussing is bad all you want but if you take even one look at the votecount you will realize that there were people bussing.
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