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Okay, I refuse to vote until you all talk. I need to get more reads.
I want everyone to give their top 2 lynches for the day.
Yell0w, you were talking a lot the first couple of days, but have recently slacked off very much.
I've let you go this long without being lynched even though you claimed mafia, why should I continue doing so?
Ahs, meat had a super good read on the roleblocker, and thnks you are mafia, then Eden. Why should we not lynch you and lynch Eden instead?
Epishade: Why is Ahs more scummy tthan Eden?
Eden: You won't vte on either me or Epishade, but Why Yell0w over Ahs?
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On May 13 2014 08:03 Eden1892 wrote:
Some more thoughts:
- I went back and looked at the dfs lynch. The only outlier at day's end aside from dfs himself was ahswtini voting for 27ninjabunnies. Check the votes today, and ahswtini, with a far better chance of getting bunnies lynched... is voting for me, and not commenting on bunnies at all. Please.
I'm not sure how he would have a better chance at getting me lynched over you. Please explain that.
But saying that, there is a high possibility that mafia voted for their partner(s).
I'd much rather lynch Eden this game than Ahs..
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No I agree. I find it absolutely weird that ahs votes on me yesterday, and doesnt even attempt to push me today.
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On May 13 2014 12:19 Eden1892 wrote:
The clearest explanation for ahswtini's sudden shift, in my opinion, is that the idea that we're lynching between ahs and me works out well for ahs. town!ahs, after having stated explicitly that bunnies is the top suspect, would be back to pushing on bunnies today instead of dropping it completely without any explanation, or at least would make some sort of effort to explain the change of heart on bunnies's guilt. scum!ahs, assuming I'm right and there are four mafia left, is quite content to make it a lynch between ahs and me, knowing only one more mislynch is necessary to get the win. scum!ahs is content with this because ahs's teammate will vote to kill me as well, and all the mafia need is one town player to misstep and vote me for it to be all over with.
I think the mafia team are clearly ahswtini and Yell0w. I don't think Epishade wants Yell0w today, so in order to make this work...
##UNVOTE
##VOTE ahswtini
Why would there be four mafia left?
We have lynched 2.
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But we are in lylo assuming there are 4 mafia in this game, 2 would still be alive.
Meaning 1 ml will lead to mafia winning. We HAVE to hit mafia here.
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I think mafia is keeping me alive because of the fact that my activity has dropped. And they can use this against me to get my mislynched.
I'm not going to let that happen.
So because I am going to be at work when the vote concludes, I think scum is between Ahs and Yell0w.
##Vote:Ahs
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On May 13 2014 23:51 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 22:05 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I think mafia is keeping me alive because of the fact that my activity has dropped. And they can use this against me to get my mislynched.
I'm not going to let that happen.
So because I am going to be at work when the vote concludes, I think scum is between Ahs and Yell0w.
##Vote:Ahs And so you think it's me, because I'm the one acting on the fact that your activity has dropped? I hope to god there's only one mafia left, because then you guys still have a chance.
No, I stated previously why I thought you were scum
You acting on the fact that my activity dropped has nothing to do with myvoting you.
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Though I'm currently going into paranoid mode. What if the team is Epishade/Eden?
Bleh
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Dammit....
Paranoid mode activated.
Atleast now we know for sure there are only 3 mafia and not 4.
Which mean final 3 is going to have some fun, whoever they are.
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I think final three is gonna be epishade, yellow eden.
Tbh, it has to be one of epishade/eden.
The only case that i have against yellow is thr he blatantly claimed mafia, though he said it was of joking.
Yell0w did push on a mafia lynch, though he could have been bussing to seem town, but that is highly unlikely.
I just dont know which one out of epishade/eden it is
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Well dammit. Thanks mafia. That stupid meta.
Well atleast I now know it can't be both of you.
No, i am not parity cop. Just a worshipper of the almighty helix.
Okay, Here's what I want.
I want you to name your top fos. Then I want you to give your case as to why.
I also want you to give a case on the other person, even if you don't fos them.
I will do the same, and then we shall discuss.
Sounds good? And break!
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Well, I rather not just randomly vote someone.
I want to be sure where to place my vote. So yes, I'm going to go through each filter, I'll post in the morning though. As for now, bed time.
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Wow, I love how Eden just jumps on that. So let me address a few things in each of your posts, starting with epishade. Then I make my cases on each of you.
First I want to address the yell0w thing. I went super hard on yell0w day 1 for his joking claim of mafia. With much of town backing me on day 1, if I was mafia there, wouldn't I have kept on pushing to get an easy ml? No, instead I pulled off of yell0w and cleared him as town, and then stayed off of him the rest of the game, when I could have had easy ml on him there. It was then tamburini who tried to get a bw going on yell0w, in which I did not follow.
I believe it is super beneficial to talk during the night. For one, you are able to get reads from people who are more likely to die in the night. I agree it is super weird that I lasted this long. Hell, if I were one of you (whichever one is town), I'd put suspicion on me too for that. I think the reason why I am alive in the final 3 right now is due to this: My posts have been lacking the last couple of days-which I have admitted to multiple times, and have given my reasons for- and because in the night I said that yell0w was most town and I didn't know which one out of epishade and eden it was. Here, I was hoping it was actually yell0w as mafia, and either, 1 yell0w would kill off epishade and expect me to go on eden, or I wouldn't have to play final 3. (I was hoping for the latter). Unfortunately for me, I was right on it being one between Eden/Epishade (something I've had a suspicion on all game).
Also, Epishade, I disagree with you on the Eden can't be mafia because his posts are well thought out and methodological. I have been in games where I have posted multitudes of reads, explanations, and thoughts which made me seem townie, but I was in fact mafia. It is a great mafia play, and I'm not willing to let eden slide just because his posts hold substance and it seems as if he is trying to figure out the game.
So, Eden, I'm glad you brought up the reads that dfs and dravernor typed over their days here, and I was actually going to use them on my case against you.
So for dravernor, he put high suspicion on me and Epishade for most of his reads, but then you just get fenced the entire time. You were pretty much avoided in both Dravernor's and Dfs reads,, and I feel as that is usually a mafia play to ignore one of their partners completely.
As for me asking cases on both of you, I want to see if there is any connection you place between yourself and the mafia we have lynched. I find it odd that Eden basically bws the vote on me after epishade thinks its most likely me.
I would also like to point out some of the votes. I basically led the lynch on dravernor. Also, Eden and Epishade both voted for dravernor and dfs (though it took more time for Eden to vote on either than it did Epishade).
Also, I don't think it's Epishade here (which I'll explain more in my later post). When the vote was being led on Dravernor, Epishade was voting for dfs. If Epishade was mafia here, I think he would try to vote on someone outside of his partners, not bus both of them, so therefore my top case will most likely be on Eden.
I'll state my cases on each of you in my next post, but there's somethings to think about.
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So, after reading through the filter of Eden, I actually like him. and that's scary. And I was gonna say this:Even though you are from Louisiana, sorry bud, but you are mafia. And here is why.- but I can't find any good reasons for why he is mafia.
Eden-
Tbh- Eden was pretty town d1. His push on yell0w wasn't too hard to seem scummy, but it wasn't too soft ether. He gave reasonings that were actually pretty good. His switch onto tamburini was weird, even if tamburini was serial killer. His reasonings were too.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 01 2014 11:51 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 11:17 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
If you're town, are you more concerned about a serial killer? or are you more concerned about mafia?
As town, I'm more concerned about mafia, which are guaranteed to be in the setup, rather than the serial killer.
After a bit of mulligan, I've noticed something.
Eden is mafia.
He has been talking quite a bit less than the other game.
He pushes yellow first.
Then he gets out the serial killer case on tambo. Before this, he was pretty much sure that yellow was mafia. It doesn't make sense to go after serial killer if you're town, and you have a mafia suspect, because what if tambo was telling the truth? From a townie's perspective, he should have stuck with the yellow lynch, rather than potentially killing vigi.
He changed his vote to tambo because he believes the vigi claim. He's afraid of leaving the vigi alive. That means, that if eden is mafia, there's definitely no roleblocker.
Yes, it is possible that tambo is serial killer. However, Eden's actions following tambo's roleclaim is a dead giveaway of his alignment.
Eden is mafia. You're not assessing this properly. Take a look at my incentives with each alignment. Town: I want to kill the serial killer and the mafia if I believe both to be in the game. I think mtamburini is fakeclaiming as serial killer because his claim only makes sense in the scenario I described in my big post. He's just making himself the n1 kill if he's actually the vigilante, which is colossally stupid. It's better for me to kill the serial killer over a mafia because removing the serial killer takes away 1 of the 2 anti-town kp. If I killed, say, Yell0w and he flipped scum, we've caught a mafia, but we're equally close to winning (as in either case we've killed 1 anti-town player), and we still have 2 anti-town kp instead of one to deal with. The serial killer is always the better kill. Mafia: I can just shoot mtamburini tonight without drawing any attention to myself if I think he's actually the vigilante. If I'm mafia and I come out with this big case saying that the vigilante is actually the serial killer, and I don't get him lynched, I'm getting shot that night. If I do get him lynched, I'm getting myself lynched the next day. In both cases I'm needlessly throwing away my life to get rid of a vigilante I could just shoot that night at no cost.
You could also, as mafia shoot the serial killer, because serial killer always has the chance of shooting your mafia partners. However, that is neither here nor there. The fact that Eden doesn't even bring up the possibility ofa roleblocker makes me think that he is more town in this instance.
As for votes, I realize some inconsistancies from what my previous post said. Eden did infact vote dfs at one point, which means votes can't be really used in this scenerio. Each one of us voted for dfs and dravernor at one point, which means whoever is mafia out of you two bussed your partners.
Eden scum reads both mafia all days that he gives his reads. That is some major bussing there if he is mafia.
Eden's posts are actually consistant with finding mafia. So my read has flipped. Epishade is probably the mafia out of you two.
Epishade
So the only thing that Epishade has going for him is that he was townread by basically the entire town, including me and Eden, though Eden was iffy on him at one point, but switched his read on him.
Also, ritoky, (something Eden pointed out in one of his reads) is really sure that epishade is mafia here. Not sure if it is something fully we need to look at.
But... where from there? ashwtini/dravernor/dfs makes three. I think that trio makes Epishade look bad in conjunction with the n2 kill (ritoky was really solid on Epishade being scum
The fact that Dravernor and dfs were both mafia here, puts pretty high suspicion on Epishade.
Meat also died in the night, and had a scumread on Epishade, dravernor, and dfs as the mafia trio.
SO for me, it seems as mostly the data points to epishade here.
Also, someone pointed out, that epishade and I seemed to be buddying. Either epishade jumped in my pocket, or my into his. I think it's the latter because of how townie I was reading him, and the fact I think he is mafia.
I find it weird here that Epishade puts dravorner as neutral read, and votes yellow.
So epishade reads: Had Dravernor as slight town d1, gave no read on dfs except that he talked a bit.Scum reads on and off on dfs and dravernor in the following days
Both of you are fantastic players (definitely not newbie, especially if Eden's playing in that champions game haha), and for whoever is mafia, I commend you on a job well done.
I am town here, is the best I can say. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask
##Vote: Epishade
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On May 16 2014 02:09 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 01:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
As for me asking cases on both of you, I want to see if there is any connection you place between yourself and the mafia we have lynched. I find it odd that Eden basically bws the vote on me after epishade thinks its most likely me. That's pretty easy. Epishade is obviously town because dravernor and dfs kept insisting he was mafia all the time. There's no way the mafia just openly discredit their frontman so frequently and consistently. So Epishade is definitely town. Then you can make a reasonable case against both of us because dravernor and dfs weren't super-committal in their positions on either of us, but I come out a decent but not incredible amount ahead because dravernor and dfs spent a lot of time subtly discrediting me and townreading/supporting you. Again, mafia don't openly discredit their frontman, and they tend to avoid subtly throwing doubt on the frontman, too. It's easy once the frontman is lynched just to go "Oops, he seemed town, I misread him" and move on. There's plenty of scum-sided motivation to townread the frontman, very little to discredit the frontman whether openly or subtly. That doesn't really address my concern though. You even called me out for "bandwagoning" you (which clearly isn't the case, I laid out my logic and it's distinct from Epishade's), but you haven't made a substantial argument either way yet. Every response that goes by without your own casework solidifies in my mind the idea that you're the last mafia and you're trying to feel out both of us by getting us to write cases before you decide who you want to try to kill.
I disagree here, just because dravernor and dfs insisted he was mafia, they could have easily been bussing. We all have voted on dfs and dravernor, which means one of you bussed them, so that point is invalid.
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Whoever is town out of you two, really needs to not vote on me. I AM TOWN.
I don't know what else to say, other than I've given my reads, in which many cleared me for as town.
It sucks that I'm going to get lynched for the lack of my posts lately because real life got in the way, but this is freaking ridiculous!!!
As for the ritoky read, I posted that after ritoky died. Ritoky was the one that brought up "Bunnies, it could have meant you were the jailed by the jailkeeper". And then WHEN ritoky died, and only when ritoky died that I drew the conclusion that he was the one who roleblocked me.
And yes, I didn't die because of the fact I was being protected by jailkeeper, I'm sure I would have if I wasn't being protected!
But I'm seriously town here. The fact that both of you were reading me as town for most of the game, Eden and Epishade clearing me basically on day 1, just seems like a pocket.
But whatever, if I can't convince you guys otherwise, then gg, mafia wins.
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Let me go through everything I've done that's been what I think is towny.
As a last hope to not get ml here.
I immediately begin the game with questioning tamburini, sqrt, and yell0w, the three who immediately start talking and ping out others. Two of them I called scum, tamburini and yell0w. Tamburini for declaring himself as town leader, and yell0w for his contradictions and claiming he was mafia (even if it was jokingly).
I got off of yell0w for the reasons that, 1, no one wanted to back me up on it (Though Edenclaimed that it was a townie thing for me to do, epishade scum read me) and 2, when I did get off of yell0w, tamburini wanted to immediately jump on yell0w, which I thought was scummy until his vigi claim.
Then when I got off of yell0w, Eden immediately voted for someone else, yet apparently my going on yell0w for an actual read was scummy but Eden going on Sweetfrost for no reason at all wasn't? That was bull shit.
Epishade also thought I was attacking him at one point early in day 1, which I was not. Epishade seemed pretty defense when all I was asking for was his reasoning and reads.
I also want to point out that I pointed out the silent vote (well near the same time yell0w did) that eden had placed.
Another thing for epishade, he tried to get the conversation pulled away from yell0w. At the time, I thought maybe it was due to yell0w being his partner, but now that yell0w flipped town, I'm assuming it was a mafia trying to seem townie so that when he flipped town, he could gain credibility.
A lot of conversation in the night were between I and sqrt, giving off reads and such. So other than me trying to figure out wh is mafia the entire game, I can't really give you much on that.
My fos has been on Epishade/Eden the entire game, so being in final 3, you both confused me, but I think I have most of a case on Epishade than Eden. If I'm wrong, then I apologize, but I am town this game despite my lack of posts lately.
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So looking at votes, dravernor also voted for epishade, and never voted for Eden. Possible mafia protecting mafia partner?
Also, I was first to go on dravernor, while Eden went on Meat, who seemed pretty town.
But then again, Epishade voted meat after Eden went on Meat.
Eden also didnt vote dfs until the last second, but epishade voted before.
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I REFUSE TO GIVE UP!
Talk you damned mafia scum!
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Also, I think yell0w died in the night over me because he was pushing on eden over epishade, and I wasnt sure between epishade and eden who it was.
My read has changed.
##Unvote
##Vote: Eden
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