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I was busy the past hour and a half and I planned on also bringing up the Drav reading Bunny as scum as incorrect, but Eden already did so.
I disagree with Eden about Bunny freaking out disproportionately. I don't think that indicates a caught mafia. She has a right to be freaked out about being lynched, but mafia or town regardless would (or rather, should) have the same reaction. If anything that just means she's passionate about the game. I wouldn't indicate that as a particular alignment trait.
And Bunny, I'm sorry, but continuously telling us that you're town doesn't help. Mafia would be saying exactly the same thing in your situation. The only thing I can do is look at the evidence for you and Eden. And it doesn't point in your favor. If Eden is in fact mafia and we lose, I know I'll have looked at all the evidence and came to my best decision I could have made with what I found.
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Also, you quoted two things out of a huge post that I posted. I gave reads on you in that post. Reads that signified both you as mafia and town. Why not talk about any of those?
If you havve any reasons as to why I am scum, why aren't either of you questioning me?
Questioning my reads? Where I placed my votes?
No all you are doing is voting, and saying Epishade "seems" more town than I am.
You should be trying to find mafia here, like I am actually doing. I've given reads, I have stated why I think this person is scum over this person. I HAVE REEVALUATED my reads over nd over, and posted out inconsistencies. I reevaluated on yell0w and tamburini (after his vigi claim). If I was mafia, I could have easily pushed lynches on both of them.
I've also reevaluated my reads on both of you. Something mafia doesn't usually do.
Anything else you want to push on me as scum for? I got all night. Let's go.
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On May 16 2014 08:40 Epishade wrote:
I was busy the past hour and a half and I planned on also bringing up the Drav reading Bunny as scum as incorrect, but Eden already did so.
I disagree with Eden about Bunny freaking out disproportionately. I don't think that indicates a caught mafia. She has a right to be freaked out about being lynched, but mafia or town regardless would (or rather, should) have the same reaction. If anything that just means she's passionate about the game. I wouldn't indicate that as a particular alignment trait.
And Bunny, I'm sorry, but continuously telling us that you're town doesn't help. Mafia would be saying exactly the same thing in your situation. The only thing I can do is look at the evidence for you and Eden. And it doesn't point in your favor. If Eden is in fact mafia and we lose, I know I'll have looked at all the evidence and came to my best decision I could have made with what I found.
I still don't see how it doesn't point in my favor.
I have multiple CONFIRMED TOWN reading me as town.
One of them, being tamburini, saying NEVER lynch me this game.
The highest point each of you have on me is that 1, my posts have been lacking towards the end of the game, which I've already pointed out reasons for, and 2, that scum read me as town. Well guess what, SO DID THE ENTIRE TOWN.
Also, name a place where my reads havent been conistant or have had back up to?
I voted dravernor, and told him/her to speak, in which dravernor did nothing to prove otherwise he was town. So I kept my vote on him. Sure, I didn't give an elaborate reading on her for the lack of her posting. She only had 2 pages of filter!!! And dfs only had 3! I voted on both mafia. Why would I buss in that instance, lose 2 mafia partners, when I could have jumped on the yell0w bw? Or meat bw? When those votes were going through. If I was mafia, we COULD HAVE WON by now if I had placed my votes elsewhere. But n, instead i vote off 2 of my mafia partners? Please.
I LED on 1 mafia, and voted the other.
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Ok, question for Eden though about asking about Parity cop.
On May 15 2014 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Nah I was just asking because I thought for sure there was a parity cop in the game and I wanted to save myself some time. I'd have believed either of you claiming it. Looks like we don't have one though.
Erm, why would you have believed either of us claiming it if we had? Wouldn't that just mean you don't really care which one of us gets lynched? Say Bunny said that she was cop. Does that mean you'd believe her and just vote for me?
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On May 16 2014 08:40 Epishade wrote:
I was busy the past hour and a half and I planned on also bringing up the Drav reading Bunny as scum as incorrect, but Eden already did so.
I disagree with Eden about Bunny freaking out disproportionately. I don't think that indicates a caught mafia. She has a right to be freaked out about being lynched, but mafia or town regardless would (or rather, should) have the same reaction. If anything that just means she's passionate about the game. I wouldn't indicate that as a particular alignment trait.
And Bunny, I'm sorry, but continuously telling us that you're town doesn't help. Mafia would be saying exactly the same thing in your situation. The only thing I can do is look at the evidence for you and Eden. And it doesn't point in your favor. If Eden is in fact mafia and we lose, I know I'll have looked at all the evidence and came to my best decision I could have made with what I found.
Also, look at my post on the previous page. I pointed out multiple posts, over multiple days, where Drav had either fenced me or scum read me, then changed his read.
All over a couple of days.
So you are both wrong.
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On May 16 2014 08:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 08:40 Epishade wrote:
I was busy the past hour and a half and I planned on also bringing up the Drav reading Bunny as scum as incorrect, but Eden already did so.
I disagree with Eden about Bunny freaking out disproportionately. I don't think that indicates a caught mafia. She has a right to be freaked out about being lynched, but mafia or town regardless would (or rather, should) have the same reaction. If anything that just means she's passionate about the game. I wouldn't indicate that as a particular alignment trait.
And Bunny, I'm sorry, but continuously telling us that you're town doesn't help. Mafia would be saying exactly the same thing in your situation. The only thing I can do is look at the evidence for you and Eden. And it doesn't point in your favor. If Eden is in fact mafia and we lose, I know I'll have looked at all the evidence and came to my best decision I could have made with what I found. I still don't see how it doesn't point in my favor. I have multiple CONFIRMED TOWN reading me as town. One of them, being tamburini, saying NEVER lynch me this game. The highest point each of you have on me is that 1, my posts have been lacking towards the end of the game, which I've already pointed out reasons for, and 2, that scum read me as town. Well guess what, SO DID THE ENTIRE TOWN. Also, name a place where my reads havent been conistant or have had back up to? I voted dravernor, and told him/her to speak, in which dravernor did nothing to prove otherwise he was town. So I kept my vote on him. Sure, I didn't give an elaborate reading on her for the lack of her posting. She only had 2 pages of filter!!! And dfs only had 3! I voted on both mafia. Why would I buss in that instance, lose 2 mafia partners, when I could have jumped on the yell0w bw? Or meat bw? When those votes were going through. If I was mafia, we COULD HAVE WON by now if I had placed my votes elsewhere. But n, instead i vote off 2 of my mafia partners? Please. I LED on 1 mafia, and voted the other.
Confirmed town reading you as town means nothing. Town doesn't know who's actually mafia.
Confirmed mafia reading you as a particular alignment means a heck of a lot more. They know each alignment. Their reads are a lot more reliable in regards to actually catching mafia. Them scumreading me and Eden, and townreading you leads me to believe that you're the mafia of the three of us. And then you claiming that Drav was scumreading you in your earlier post, when, in reality that was only for a very short time before she cleared you as town, also adds to your scummyness for me.
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On May 16 2014 08:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 08:40 Epishade wrote:
I was busy the past hour and a half and I planned on also bringing up the Drav reading Bunny as scum as incorrect, but Eden already did so.
I disagree with Eden about Bunny freaking out disproportionately. I don't think that indicates a caught mafia. She has a right to be freaked out about being lynched, but mafia or town regardless would (or rather, should) have the same reaction. If anything that just means she's passionate about the game. I wouldn't indicate that as a particular alignment trait.
And Bunny, I'm sorry, but continuously telling us that you're town doesn't help. Mafia would be saying exactly the same thing in your situation. The only thing I can do is look at the evidence for you and Eden. And it doesn't point in your favor. If Eden is in fact mafia and we lose, I know I'll have looked at all the evidence and came to my best decision I could have made with what I found. Also, look at my post on the previous page. I pointed out multiple posts, over multiple days, where Drav had either fenced me or scum read me, then changed his read. All over a couple of days. So you are both wrong.
Let me recheck then. Hold on.
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On May 16 2014 08:40 Epishade wrote:
I disagree with Eden about Bunny freaking out disproportionately. I don't think that indicates a caught mafia. She has a right to be freaked out about being lynched, but mafia or town regardless would (or rather, should) have the same reaction. If anything that just means she's passionate about the game. I wouldn't indicate that as a particular alignment trait.
I'd agree if we were an hour or two away from the lynch. We still have a day. The meltdown seems really premature. I'm not convinced it's alignment-neutral so far away from the lynch, seems like a townie would stay calm and try to make a more compelling case against her scum read. Currently her vote is on me because Yell0w suspected me (WIFOM), in direct contradiction to a big post she made explaining why she thinks I'm more town than you. This doesn't read like the logical, collected bunnies we've seen in this game to me.
On May 16 2014 08:49 Epishade wrote:Ok, question for Eden though about asking about Parity cop. Show nested quote +On May 15 2014 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Nah I was just asking because I thought for sure there was a parity cop in the game and I wanted to save myself some time. I'd have believed either of you claiming it. Looks like we don't have one though.
Erm, why would you have believed either of us claiming it if we had? Wouldn't that just mean you don't really care which one of us gets lynched? Say Bunny said that she was cop. Does that mean you'd believe her and just vote for me?
I don't mean that if she just threw out there that she was the parity cop I'd go "okay, I believe this 100%, lynch Epishade gg." She'd have to show how she breadcrumbed her scans, acted in accordance with her scan data, etc. But if the claim generally checked out then yes, even despite how innocent you've seemed this game, I'd have voted to kill you. Think of it as me asking for roleclaims at LYLO (which where I'm from is standard operating procedure if people haven't claimed yet). I just focused on the parity cop 'cause again, with a godfather and miller in the game it's reasonable to expect there to be one.
Moot point anyway since no one claimed a PR.
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RE: dravernor's reads, here are some handy links.
- First post D1, scumreads Epishade and bunnies.
- Later on D1, scumreads me for moving votes around.
- Later on D1, bunnies flips to top townread. Epishade still scummy. Indecisive about me.
- Votes Epishade. Last D1 post.
- Epishade top scum read, no comment of note on me, has bunnies as "so town" that she's worried about it being genuine.
- Epishade still top scum read, fence-sitting about me and bunnies
- Guess what she said about Epishade lol. she's off the fence about bunnies, calling bunnies town. Thinks I might be scum
- Boner for Epishade confirmed, still thinks bunnies is town, still thinks I'm bad
All of these back up my initial analysis at the top of p67. The conclusion -- that bunnies is mafia -- remains.
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Okay, the reason why I said the yell0w thing is because of this. I had no idea which one of you it is, but yell0w was my top town read. If you were town, Eden, and yell0w pointed you out as his number one scum, epishade would have kept yellow alive, because he knew he would go on you, and therefore he could pass off as town, and get you ml. However, yell0w died, which points to you being mafia anyway.
Also, tbh, I forgotten days are 48 hours and not 24 hours until someone pointed it out, so you may think that my defense is too defensive for right now, but I told you why I am getting defensive. Because i am town, and we need to find the actual mafia here.
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On May 16 2014 09:15 Eden1892 wrote:RE: dravernor's reads, here are some handy links. - First post D1, scumreads Epishade and bunnies.- Later on D1, scumreads me for moving votes around.- Later on D1, bunnies flips to top townread. Epishade still scummy. Indecisive about me.- Votes Epishade. Last D1 post.- Epishade top scum read, no comment of note on me, has bunnies as "so town" that she's worried about it being genuine.- Epishade still top scum read, fence-sitting about me and bunnies- Guess what she said about Epishade lol. she's off the fence about bunnies, calling bunnies town. Thinks I might be scum- Boner for Epishade confirmed, still thinks bunnies is town, still thinks I'm badAll of these back up my initial analysis at the top of p67. The conclusion -- that bunnies is mafia -- remains.
This doesnt point to me being mafia. This just points to that if I died in the night and flipped town, dravernor might have some credibility and not get lynched.
Notice how he said "thinks" the entire time, but never had a legit scum read on you. She basically ignored you AND dfs in her reads.
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I looked through Bunny, and I can't say I agree that Drav was scumreading you multiple times over various days. The only time she was scumreading you was right in the beginning, and then she changed after that. Sure, she may have started acting a bit more 'cautious' about you being cleared town, but I'd not consider that as scumreading you like you're trying to claim here.
@Eden, just how would she have proven her claims that you'd have been willing to believe them. Nobody's here to refute them. How could they have checked out? She could have just made up anything and you'd have no way of telling that she was lying or not.
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Well, maybe I see it as more scumreading than not scumreading.
But it doesn't matter. Mafia can bus mafia. Mafia can also read mafia as town.
I'm just pointing out that your claim that because drav was reading me as town, it means I am mafia
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EBWOP: at the end of that previous post It does not mean Im mafia, not that it means i am mafia
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On May 16 2014 09:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, the reason why I said the yell0w thing is because of this. I had no idea which one of you it is, but yell0w was my top town read. If you were town, Eden, and yell0w pointed you out as his number one scum, epishade would have kept yellow alive, because he knew he would go on you, and therefore he could pass off as town, and get you ml. However, yell0w died, which points to you being mafia anyway.
Also, tbh, I forgotten days are 48 hours and not 24 hours until someone pointed it out, so you may think that my defense is too defensive for right now, but I told you why I am getting defensive. Because i am town, and we need to find the actual mafia here.
Yell0w dying doesn't point to anything concrete about who's mafia. This is just idle speculation. How would the final mafia know that Yell0w and I would stick on each other? It'd be a huge gamble to assume that we couldn't step back and rethink things. I think Yell0w got shot because no one was willing to lynch him for several days leading up to this final day. At LYLO you want to keep the lynchable people around to maximize your options. Beyond that it's just speculation.
On May 16 2014 09:19 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 09:15 Eden1892 wrote:RE: dravernor's reads, here are some handy links. - First post D1, scumreads Epishade and bunnies.- Later on D1, scumreads me for moving votes around.- Later on D1, bunnies flips to top townread. Epishade still scummy. Indecisive about me.- Votes Epishade. Last D1 post.- Epishade top scum read, no comment of note on me, has bunnies as "so town" that she's worried about it being genuine.- Epishade still top scum read, fence-sitting about me and bunnies- Guess what she said about Epishade lol. she's off the fence about bunnies, calling bunnies town. Thinks I might be scum- Boner for Epishade confirmed, still thinks bunnies is town, still thinks I'm badAll of these back up my initial analysis at the top of p67. The conclusion -- that bunnies is mafia -- remains. This doesnt point to me being mafia. This just points to that if I died in the night and flipped town, dravernor might have some credibility and not get lynched. Notice how he said "thinks" the entire time, but never had a legit scum read on you. She basically ignored you AND dfs in her reads.
I already explained how it does on p67, you're just insisting that it doesn't without refuting the logic behind it. You're wrong about dfs -- between those links and my analysis it should be clear how.
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On May 16 2014 09:32 27ninjabunnies wrote:
it means I am mafia
WE GOT'EM!
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On May 16 2014 09:37 Epishade wrote:WE GOT'EM!
Notice I edited that post.
Wow.
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On May 16 2014 09:36 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 09:17 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Okay, the reason why I said the yell0w thing is because of this. I had no idea which one of you it is, but yell0w was my top town read. If you were town, Eden, and yell0w pointed you out as his number one scum, epishade would have kept yellow alive, because he knew he would go on you, and therefore he could pass off as town, and get you ml. However, yell0w died, which points to you being mafia anyway.
Also, tbh, I forgotten days are 48 hours and not 24 hours until someone pointed it out, so you may think that my defense is too defensive for right now, but I told you why I am getting defensive. Because i am town, and we need to find the actual mafia here. Yell0w dying doesn't point to anything concrete about who's mafia. This is just idle speculation. How would the final mafia know that Yell0w and I would stick on each other? It'd be a huge gamble to assume that we couldn't step back and rethink things. I think Yell0w got shot because no one was willing to lynch him for several days leading up to this final day. At LYLO you want to keep the lynchable people around to maximize your options. Beyond that it's just speculation. Show nested quote +On May 16 2014 09:19 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 16 2014 09:15 Eden1892 wrote:RE: dravernor's reads, here are some handy links. - First post D1, scumreads Epishade and bunnies.- Later on D1, scumreads me for moving votes around.- Later on D1, bunnies flips to top townread. Epishade still scummy. Indecisive about me.- Votes Epishade. Last D1 post.- Epishade top scum read, no comment of note on me, has bunnies as "so town" that she's worried about it being genuine.- Epishade still top scum read, fence-sitting about me and bunnies- Guess what she said about Epishade lol. she's off the fence about bunnies, calling bunnies town. Thinks I might be scum- Boner for Epishade confirmed, still thinks bunnies is town, still thinks I'm badAll of these back up my initial analysis at the top of p67. The conclusion -- that bunnies is mafia -- remains. This doesnt point to me being mafia. This just points to that if I died in the night and flipped town, dravernor might have some credibility and not get lynched. Notice how he said "thinks" the entire time, but never had a legit scum read on you. She basically ignored you AND dfs in her reads. I already explained how it does on p67, you're just insisting that it doesn't without refuting the logic behind it. You're wrong about dfs -- between those links and my analysis it should be clear how.
No bdy was willing to lynch me for several days either. And more people were reading me as town than they were yell0w. So, why didn't I die then?
And don't even think about saying its because im mafia. Because im not.
I HAVE GIVEN LOGIC.. Are you serious?
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Haha I know, I saw. I don't think you'd actually make a slip-up like that now lol.
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On May 16 2014 09:28 Epishade wrote:
@Eden, just how would she have proven her claims that you'd have been willing to believe them. Nobody's here to refute them. How could they have checked out? She could have just made up anything and you'd have no way of telling that she was lying or not.
Not at all! If she were fake claiming, she'd have to go carefully comb through her stated reads on certain days and make sure that all of her votes, reads, etc. are consistent with whatever scans she chose.
Imagine she claimed normal cop instead of parity cop, and said she had a guilty on me and innocent on you. We can look at her actions this turn -- shifting back and forth between the two of us, unsure who's scum -- and know she's lying.
There may not have been a counterclaim, but her scans still have to make sense with what she's said. I'd carefully reread her filter for any reads on the alleged scanned players and see if they make sense.
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