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On April 08 2014 05:56 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 05:47 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 05:39 strongandbig wrote:
austin you've been talking a lot about this holyflare role confusion thing but why does it make him scum
break down the scenario for me
like, are you trying to say it's a literal scumslip because he didnt know how the town wincon was phrased? or is there something more than that? It's maybe a combo. He's a person I've been suspicious of, so start from a suspicious mindset if you're trying to be in my head. (1) There's something that might be a slip (does not know how town role PMs are phrased). It MIGHT be a weird thought from town. (2) When trying to explain the thing in (1), he says things that are not true (Keirathi' and Gumshoe's role PMs say they're town and not that they win with town ---> this is false). Saying things that are untrue is more likely to be mafia than town, means it's more likely a slip than a weird thought, because a townie having a weird thought doesn't use untruths to substantiate his weird thoughts. (3) Continues to argue that the statement from (1) is a weird thought from a townie, by saying - I cannot be mafia, because it would be dumb for mafia to have my role and claim it.
- I assumed all the people with "win with the town" were 3P
(4) The FIRST bit there, that he can't be mafia because of the claim, is not of any value. It's clear from THIS GAME that when you claim dimensional lemming, not everyone thinks you're mafia. This is important because HOLY CRAP HE'S THE DIMENSIONAL LEMMING HIMSELF, HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACTED TO HIS CLAIM, AND THEREFORE HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACT TO A CLAIM, AND IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE'S SAYING. Does that make sense? He is implying he's town because mafia would do what he's done, because x would happen. We all KNOW x wouldn't happen, so his argument is just based on a falsehood. The SECOND bit there requires him assuming at least 5-6 third parties in this game. Which I think is ridiculous, and cannot be a legitimate thought he had. Because of (2), him using untruths to try and show how his thought was townie and not a mafia slip, and because of (4), how his further comments are nonsensical coming from a townie/being real thoughts, and HF is not normally a person to just hold a bunch of nonsensical thoughts, it looks more like he's making things up to try and make his comment look more like a dumb comment than a slip. Do you have any theories over the color difference? My theory is that it doesn't matter
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On April 08 2014 06:02 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 05:56 Killing wrote:On April 08 2014 05:47 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 05:39 strongandbig wrote:
austin you've been talking a lot about this holyflare role confusion thing but why does it make him scum
break down the scenario for me
like, are you trying to say it's a literal scumslip because he didnt know how the town wincon was phrased? or is there something more than that? It's maybe a combo. He's a person I've been suspicious of, so start from a suspicious mindset if you're trying to be in my head. (1) There's something that might be a slip (does not know how town role PMs are phrased). It MIGHT be a weird thought from town. (2) When trying to explain the thing in (1), he says things that are not true (Keirathi' and Gumshoe's role PMs say they're town and not that they win with town ---> this is false). Saying things that are untrue is more likely to be mafia than town, means it's more likely a slip than a weird thought, because a townie having a weird thought doesn't use untruths to substantiate his weird thoughts. (3) Continues to argue that the statement from (1) is a weird thought from a townie, by saying - I cannot be mafia, because it would be dumb for mafia to have my role and claim it.
- I assumed all the people with "win with the town" were 3P
(4) The FIRST bit there, that he can't be mafia because of the claim, is not of any value. It's clear from THIS GAME that when you claim dimensional lemming, not everyone thinks you're mafia. This is important because HOLY CRAP HE'S THE DIMENSIONAL LEMMING HIMSELF, HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACTED TO HIS CLAIM, AND THEREFORE HE KNOWS HOW PEOPLE REACT TO A CLAIM, AND IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT HE'S SAYING. Does that make sense? He is implying he's town because mafia would do what he's done, because x would happen. We all KNOW x wouldn't happen, so his argument is just based on a falsehood. The SECOND bit there requires him assuming at least 5-6 third parties in this game. Which I think is ridiculous, and cannot be a legitimate thought he had. Because of (2), him using untruths to try and show how his thought was townie and not a mafia slip, and because of (4), how his further comments are nonsensical coming from a townie/being real thoughts, and HF is not normally a person to just hold a bunch of nonsensical thoughts, it looks more like he's making things up to try and make his comment look more like a dumb comment than a slip. Do you have any theories over the color difference? My theory is that it doesn't matter Also I suppose I should present evidence to support this theory.
In Aperture 1 - There were green and blue roles. Both were town. There was no difference.
Aperture 2 and Chrono Trigger both had just blues. You get no links.
I don't remember other Greymist games off the top of my head, someone else might.
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On April 08 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 That is mainly in response to Killing asking me what my "theory" about the color difference is.
Also, I will continue to maintain that you DID talk about your role D1. Just look at my first posts. I was pretty confident you were EXACTLY what you're claiming to be, because who asks those questions repeatedly. The only reason anyone would ask about fun past games, or neat mechanics, is because they've got that role or a similar role.
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I'd kill Killing.
Townies defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but this case is different because of x, y, z" or "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but I think these other things he's done are townie, and overall he's townie." Scum defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but scum don't like being scummy, so him doing a scummy thing makes him town." (BECAUSE HOLY CRAP THE MOMENT YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT ONCE, EVERYONE IN THE GAME EVER WHO DOES SCUMMY STUFF IS KINDA TOWN IN YOUR BOOK AND THAT MAKES NO SENSE)
On April 03 2014 12:05 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 11:59 sandroba wrote:
I don't think any button discussion is going to get us anywhere. How about we see what people decide to do and talk about it when it becomes relevant? My initial guess is most of us don't want CATASTROPHE in our lives right now. You're assuming the catastrophe will be town specific. It's possible that it makes the game harder for mafia and 3p at the same time. I think we also have to put some value on the button. We need to know how important it is to have it guarded or try to deactivate it compared to using our town powers. It might be that it's better to have weaker roles guard the button rather than carry out their business. If we don't make a plan to deal with the button, mafia might just make a rush for it if they assume the consequences will fall on the town side. Here, Killing is of the mindset that perhaps that Catastrophe is good for town. This is true, we don't know what the Catastrophe is, and whether it's good or bad.
On April 07 2014 08:48 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 07 2014 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote:On April 07 2014 08:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dunno, I pushed the button zz did you forget that was an option? I need CATASTROPHE™ to occur if I'm going to make any money. So you're not town......... Here, Hopeless is not town because he wants Catastrophe to happen. Implying that Catastrophe is bad for town only.
Which is the opposite of the above. We have learned nothing about Catastrophe, are entirely unsure what it does. Killing argues that it MIGHT be beneficial to town, perhaps, but then that Hopeless is scum for wanting it to happen.
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There's nothing else that jumps out at me in Killing's filter to push me either way. Some participation in goings-on, random calls for speculation about the button and whatnot, but in general nothing overly townie or scummy, besides that stance on the Catastrophe.
I mainly would be alright with killing him for the argument above on HF.
Based on all the button speculation, his role is probably interested in the button somehow, just in one of those bluesnipey ways where constantly talking about x means your role involves x.
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On April 08 2014 06:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 06:28 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 That is mainly in response to Killing asking me what my "theory" about the color difference is. Also, I will continue to maintain that you DID talk about your role D1. Just look at my first posts. I was pretty confident you were EXACTLY what you're claiming to be, because who asks those questions repeatedly. The only reason anyone would ask about fun past games, or neat mechanics, is because they've got that role or a similar role. What...? I'm saying i DID talk about it how are you being so dense. I am saying that it proves I'm not mafia because if i was mafia i got a traditionally mafia sided role and then started talking about it in thread straight away which would be suicide. That does not add up at all! Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 You're saying that you DID talk about it, but saying that you WOULDN'T talk about it if you were mafia. I disagree with that. Yeah, we're not meeting heads on here, you DID talk about it, we agree, you WOULDN'T talk about it as mafia, we disagree there.
"Traditionally" is a stretch.
And again. What you're arguing is that when someone talks about that role, people will assume they're mafia. THAT is your reason for saying mafia wouldn't talk about having this role.
But nobody assumed you were mafia for your role. 29 people, 0 assumptions. So your argument that mafiaHoly wouldn't talk about his role is WEAK at best, MEANINGLESS to me, because we KNOW that people don't do what you are saying you think they would.
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On April 08 2014 06:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 06:37 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 06:34 Holyflare wrote:On April 08 2014 06:28 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've never played nor read a greymist game hence my confusion and only knowing about lemming from the award thread. Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 That is mainly in response to Killing asking me what my "theory" about the color difference is. Also, I will continue to maintain that you DID talk about your role D1. Just look at my first posts. I was pretty confident you were EXACTLY what you're claiming to be, because who asks those questions repeatedly. The only reason anyone would ask about fun past games, or neat mechanics, is because they've got that role or a similar role. What...? I'm saying i DID talk about it how are you being so dense. I am saying that it proves I'm not mafia because if i was mafia i got a traditionally mafia sided role and then started talking about it in thread straight away which would be suicide. That does not add up at all! Unless you're implying i have read them in which case i knew lemming was a mafia role from last game and still would be 0% inclined to start talking about it day 1 You're saying that you DID talk about it, but saying that you WOULDN'T talk about it if you were mafia. I disagree with that. Yeah, we're not meeting heads on here, you DID talk about it, we agree, you WOULDN'T talk about it as mafia, we disagree there. "Traditionally" is a stretch. And again. What you're arguing is that when someone talks about that role, people will assume they're mafia. THAT is your reason for saying mafia wouldn't talk about having this role.
But nobody assumed you were mafia for your role. 29 people, 0 assumptions. So your argument that mafiaHoly wouldn't talk about his role is WEAK at best, MEANINGLESS to me, because we KNOW that people don't do what you are saying you think they would. THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING, why would i take that risk!?!?!?!? how can i predict the future that everyone would just put it aside, if i was mafia HOW DO I KNOW that powers don't = alignments, I CANNOT know that unless i got a mafia role but in a town (or what i thought was 3p town win con) alignment! You're a step off.
You're arguing hard for this being a risk, for thinking that mafia wouldn't do something because people would find it all scummy. But you're arguing that now, today, when D1 shows that it is a bad argument. If you HELD that belief, if you're being truthful, then your belief was questionable and you shouldn't be using it to bolster your arguments. If you NEVER HELD that belief, because you're lying, then you're pretty much mafia for lying so oh well.
You may have thought there was a risk, but at this point in time you shouldn't be thinking there was and arguing about it and thinking that it's a strong point.
Really, I just just generally seen town Holyflare make sensible arguments and whatnot. In this game, you're making THESE arguments, and you're thinking DI is scum on D1 and pushing that.
Random people are correct that this should stop, however. Whatchoo think about Killing's comment on you?
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Voted the non-syllo wagon to look cool. And the whole "how am i mafia" --> radio silence.
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That thing was part of VA's 3P role in Aperture 2
(+3 Fate): Once per game, you may target a player by typing in the thread ##But the future refused to change: Player Name Target player will stay in thread for day or night after death and not flip until then (thread is notified of death). That player may not vote or action.
Either a different role here OR someone is getting kilt OR some serious shennanies are occurring.
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On April 08 2014 09:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 09:29 austinmcc wrote:That thing was part of VA's 3P role in Aperture 2 (+3 Fate): Once per game, you may target a player by typing in the thread ##But the future refused to change: Player Name Target player will stay in thread for day or night after death and not flip until then (thread is notified of death). That player may not vote or action. Either a different role here OR someone is getting kilt OR some serious shennanies are occurring. All wonderful outcomes! Hey yo austin have you been in contact with people? Few and only a little.
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Geript I'm going to sleep, but if I get naked and dance for you (in game, not promising out of game benefits) will you claim?
If not, I will show you an ankle if you will reveal two words that are located anywhere in your role PM. You can even change the capitalization if you wish.
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Friendly Neighborhood Bird God Inquiry,
Everyone who super loves and believes this 100%, please raise your hand:On April 08 2014 09:47 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 08 2014 09:22 Killing wrote:
##But the Future Refused to change: LSB Oo more shennaies. My ability was really good for town. I won't disclose everything it does but the chaos counter will now be reduced to 0 as a result. The rest I will not say. In the event I die, the people that I consider my highest of town know what happens to LSB. On April 08 2014 09:59 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 09:58 Holyflare wrote:
you have 2 minutes to convince me not to Besides the fact that I just activated a power that reduces chaos counter to 0 which basically confirms me as town? On April 08 2014 10:12 Killing wrote:
Chaos counter: 0
Gimme dat blazing green read now On April 09 2014 01:55 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 01:52 sandroba wrote:
@killing There are some hints of it in my role. Do you happen to be one? There are some hints of it in my role as well. Do you think dragons are good or bad? I believe most Grey roles to be balanced, especially in games like this with multiple counters, and apparently insanity and dragons and whatnot. I think, on the whole, Grey is unlikely to make a "Chaos counter to 0" role in this game, especially where the chaos counter is apparently bad for town if it gets high. It's there to loom and be bad and to make us use roles that influence the chaos counter in a certain way.
It's not there for some townie to go "LOL ZERO NOW" and wipe out any decision making. At least, that's my personal opinion.
heck, I'm more inclined to believe that, if this were a townie role, it would be balanced out by something BAD. Giving up a power, doing something negative, whatever, because things that are very good for town, stuck on townies, are often balanced. Look at all the "you have this passive and this active, when you activate the active your passive is gone" roles that have already flipped. Based on what I know, there are few "This is good and always good and will only do good things ever, enjoy!" roles, especially of the sort that are affecting counters.
But I also don't necessarily believe it's a townie role, still think Killing is unlikely to be blue or green, and is more likely to be red. The bad kind of red.
Geript, my offer stands. Based on the last couple pages, I don't think you're going to get a better offer. I don't even see anyone offering half an ankle, or to let you stare at their faces without a veil, or sit in the same room as them, or coyly engage them in discourse about the monarchy.
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On April 08 2014 19:17 geript wrote:As for LSB, he's attacked Town Hero Keirathi who I wanted to sheep so he can die. More importantly though, he's done fuck all this game as far as I can tell 2 pages. He's also attacked yamato. I remember when I was following along that yamato looked pretty town pretty early on; like he's pretty obvious mafia so that read seems really out of place to me. In reading his push against Paper, idk, like I don't have any problem with a Keir having a soft townread for someone being carefree/happy. Like that's a pretty normal early soft townread imo so pushing Keir and scraps at the same time especially when his push on scraps is completely illogical is really bad. I actually don't like him pushing against Hopeless later on either. Like Keir has phenominal meta reads and he had a strong meta read on Hopeless (mental reminder filter Keir and Hopeless to doublecheck validity). Like I'd absolutely love to lynch this guy because there are good reasons to but: I'm not ride or die on this post, but I think it's a good reason to suspect LSB for being town here despite all of the other options. It's both recognizing a different sort of play and trying to read into it. That's a "putting pieces together post" so I lump him in the town pile. Also, instead of just dumping on this, can I ask, specifically, what "sort of play" you think this recognizes? Like, in the context of Holy posting and LSB posting at this time, what's the angle that you think LSB is coming from and is putting pieces together from? I fully agree that people can come from different angles and that some are pure townie.
I'm trying to understand what you think LSB was thinking here.
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On April 09 2014 04:41 Killing wrote:
My reset the counter to 0 was a 1 time use. That's why it's balanced. I decided to use it yesterday because I was afraid if djo got mod killed and there were still a lot of mafia then town could be put in a position that would be really hard to win from. There was little reason to not use it yesterday and I also wanted to convince town that I'm town as we are nearing auto. I guess you were under the impression that I had unlimited uses? What are your thoughts now? Also, if I had use it once the counter had hit 3 and a decision had to be made, resetting the counter would not affect the decision. No. There's no way that's unlimited uses, I wouldn't have ever believed that, even if my birdmother was sitting in her deathnest and squawked that to me. But I don't think it's all positive and/or think you're lying. Same as thoughts before.
The last line is interesting, and if true, makes the power more balanced than what I was thinking.
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On April 09 2014 04:44 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 04:35 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 19:17 geript wrote:As for LSB, he's attacked Town Hero Keirathi who I wanted to sheep so he can die. More importantly though, he's done fuck all this game as far as I can tell 2 pages. He's also attacked yamato. I remember when I was following along that yamato looked pretty town pretty early on; like he's pretty obvious mafia so that read seems really out of place to me. In reading his push against Paper, idk, like I don't have any problem with a Keir having a soft townread for someone being carefree/happy. Like that's a pretty normal early soft townread imo so pushing Keir and scraps at the same time especially when his push on scraps is completely illogical is really bad. I actually don't like him pushing against Hopeless later on either. Like Keir has phenominal meta reads and he had a strong meta read on Hopeless (mental reminder filter Keir and Hopeless to doublecheck validity). Like I'd absolutely love to lynch this guy because there are good reasons to but: On April 05 2014 01:45 LSB wrote:
Is holyflare always this paranoid? I'm not ride or die on this post, but I think it's a good reason to suspect LSB for being town here despite all of the other options. It's both recognizing a different sort of play and trying to read into it. That's a "putting pieces together post" so I lump him in the town pile. Also, instead of just dumping on this, can I ask, specifically, what "sort of play" you think this recognizes? Like, in the context of Holy posting and LSB posting at this time, what's the angle that you think LSB is coming from and is putting pieces together from? I fully agree that people can come from different angles and that some are pure townie. I'm trying to understand what you think LSB was thinking here. Most times, scum generally don't make insightful posts. It just doesn't happen. Like a lot of times those type of posts come from town. Prplhz did the same thing in cell where he made some pretty insightful posts on me but early I was blindly tunneled on him and Rayn was blindly tunneled on me so I didn't stop to actually read and analyze either properly. So when you see a good post like that, it's generally town seeking some sort of confirmation. Is it quite possibly a scum soft pushing a mislynch based on perceived behavioral difference? Sure. But I don't think so. Like he doesn't bother pushing that point at all and doesn't lump HF in his scumpile. I just think he's town who's wrong/bad/whatever. That simple. As for your promise/bet/offer/whatever, like I don't care if you show me ankle, your not hard pee pee or Marv's heterosexually challenged pee pee. I'm not role claiming. I will however be more than happy to read Joey. Okeedoke on the claiming.
So that post is...LSB trying to figure out HF, but not pushing him for scum? You think he's legit trying to learn about HF's play to read him? THIS ISN'T REALLY A TRAP HERE I JUST DON'T GET THE SAME SENSE YOU DO FROM THAT BUT I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR SENSE IS COMING FROM
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On April 09 2014 04:52 Killing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 04:44 austinmcc wrote:On April 09 2014 04:41 Killing wrote:
My reset the counter to 0 was a 1 time use. That's why it's balanced. I decided to use it yesterday because I was afraid if djo got mod killed and there were still a lot of mafia then town could be put in a position that would be really hard to win from. There was little reason to not use it yesterday and I also wanted to convince town that I'm town as we are nearing auto. I guess you were under the impression that I had unlimited uses? What are your thoughts now? Also, if I had use it once the counter had hit 3 and a decision had to be made, resetting the counter would not affect the decision. No. There's no way that's unlimited uses, I wouldn't have ever believed that, even if my birdmother was sitting in her deathnest and squawked that to me. But I don't think it's all positive and/or think you're lying. Same as thoughts before. The last line is interesting, and if true, makes the power more balanced than what I was thinking. Are you a dragon? While dragons may be similar in some respects to birds, birds are not dragons.
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On April 09 2014 05:14 geript wrote:
Overall, Austin I don't really like your reasons for Joey being scum at all. Like assuming that roles are town or scum based on what they do is really fucking terrible. Hell I remember people trying to game you as town in PTP4 based on how you used your role and how/when you claimed it. Like that's really bad and it's really weird to me that you're not making any argument based on what he's done that makes him scum instead of his role makes him scum. That's cuz you haven't read the game or my filter 
He's mainly scum/scummy for this:On April 08 2014 05:51 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 05:42 Killing wrote:On April 08 2014 05:39 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 05:38 justanothertownie wrote:On April 08 2014 05:35 Killing wrote:On April 08 2014 05:32 austinmcc wrote:On April 08 2014 05:28 Killing wrote:On April 08 2014 05:22 austinmcc wrote:
Can I stop spamming about this and......Oats and Killing and someone read this and give thoughts? Oats, Killing, VA! My thoughts: Who gives a shit about the color of my role. No, different thoughts. If you don't think anyone should give a shit about the color of a role, then do Holyflare's thoughts and actions make sense to you as coming from a townie? Do they make sense as coming from a scum? Do they make sense as scum slipping and trying to cover up that slip? Do they just not make sense period? As posted above, I think it's probably coming from a townie POV. As scum, it's probably a bad idea to argue over semantics and make yourself look bad. I think there's probably a reasoning over the difference in coloring the role but not one that is currently visible to the town nor the one that HF is proposing. It's townie to trying and figure it out though. If he was mafia, anyone that wins with town is his enemy anyways so he probably wouldn't care much. The only way it would be a good play as mafia is if he's trying to drum up paranoia or some shit but it doesn't make any sense. He didn't bring that up to talk about it. He was forced to because what he says doesn't add up. This is the "It's scummy to do scummy things as scum, so scum wouldn't do scummy things" argument. It is usually a mafia argument, and often mafia defending mafia Dude, what are you even saying? Do you think Greymist used a bunch of different colors cause he felt like making the game prettier? If your answer is yes, then enjoy your stay in lala land If not, there's a reasoning. I think HF argument on the blue vs green was terrible. Why does HF care if he's mafia? You even called it a slip. If HF is mafia, how does he know who is 3p and who is town. He doesn't even have the info. I am saying you look scummier for that comment. "As scum, it's a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, someone who does something that makes him look bad is town." That is GENERALLY a mafia argument when I've seen it. Within the last week it has been used by mafia to defend a scumbuddy on this forum. Like, fill in some proper names there. "As scum, it'a a bad idea to do something that makes you look bad. Therefore, Holyflare is town because he did something that made him look bad (this argument)." Within that statement, you're saying HolyFlare did something that looked bad. Otherwise the "scum wouldn't do things that look bad" argument is inapplicable, you HAVE to have done something that looked bad for it to be a relevant argument. But you just push that aside entirely and give some silliness about how he can't have info on 3Ps or would be paranoid or would know that "wins with the town" = TEH ENEMIEZ On April 08 2014 06:32 austinmcc wrote:I'd kill Killing. Townies defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but this case is different because of x, y, z" or "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but I think these other things he's done are townie, and overall he's townie." Scum defend people who do scummy stuff by saying "He did a thing that's normally scummy, but scum don't like being scummy, so him doing a scummy thing makes him town." (BECAUSE HOLY CRAP THE MOMENT YOU MAKE THAT ARGUMENT ONCE, EVERYONE IN THE GAME EVER WHO DOES SCUMMY STUFF IS KINDA TOWN IN YOUR BOOK AND THAT MAKES NO SENSE) Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 12:05 Killing wrote:On April 03 2014 11:59 sandroba wrote:
I don't think any button discussion is going to get us anywhere. How about we see what people decide to do and talk about it when it becomes relevant? My initial guess is most of us don't want CATASTROPHE in our lives right now. You're assuming the catastrophe will be town specific. It's possible that it makes the game harder for mafia and 3p at the same time. I think we also have to put some value on the button. We need to know how important it is to have it guarded or try to deactivate it compared to using our town powers. It might be that it's better to have weaker roles guard the button rather than carry out their business. If we don't make a plan to deal with the button, mafia might just make a rush for it if they assume the consequences will fall on the town side. Here, Killing is of the mindset that perhaps that Catastrophe is good for town. This is true, we don't know what the Catastrophe is, and whether it's good or bad. Show nested quote +On April 07 2014 08:48 Killing wrote:On April 07 2014 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 07 2014 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote:On April 07 2014 08:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dunno, I pushed the button zz did you forget that was an option? I need CATASTROPHE™ to occur if I'm going to make any money. So you're not town......... Here, Hopeless is not town because he wants Catastrophe to happen. Implying that Catastrophe is bad for town only. Which is the opposite of the above. We have learned nothing about Catastrophe, are entirely unsure what it does. Killing argues that it MIGHT be beneficial to town, perhaps, but then that Hopeless is scum for wanting it to happen.
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On April 09 2014 05:32 geript wrote:
That's fine if you have other stuff on him. But it's really bad play to make this post for him being scum without reiterating those other points. I'm going of 200+ as my day 1. I'm happy to read other stuff but I'm not going to dive for it. You guys have to help me out some. I've joined 200+ page games before, big themed ones, and a Greymist game in Chrono.
I know the feeling, and also, btw, it's impossible. You'll never catch up, you have to play going forward. Especially since you're missing PM stuff that I wasn't in those games.
But I'm making the point for everyone, that wasn't specifically at you. I'm happy to catch you up on what I've done, but I'm not saying "Hey Geript, Killing is wonky/scummy/lying/blah blah." I don't believe, in general, that he's town and I don't believe, in general, that he's truthful about his role being OH YA HALP TOWN MANY HALP KK
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I trust that he PMed some people and it made him look townier.
I don't trust that you fully know his role or what it does or whether he understands what it does, unless you yourself or someone else has the text of his role via check or logging into his account or being Greymist.
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And I really don't think that "he doesn't even know what the majority of it is used for" points in ANY direction. Like...that's irrelevant to alignment, imo.
"Hey guys I used my role so I'm super town and it did super town stuff and now I'm super town kkkk. Also I don't know what a majority of my role is good for. It might be good for mafia! I dunno. But it's townie and I'm townie yum yum."
If you don't know what your role really does, when it's useful, what it's useful for, AND YOU'RE BEING TRUTHFUL about your role, then how in the world can you argue that your role is townie and it's use is townie. You're claiming both to not know exactly what it does AND know that what you're doing is townie townie.
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