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geript
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Dandel Ion
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On the other hand we have a guy that killed keir and wants to kill 1-2 more townies *ignoring the bulletproof fakeclaim he did | ||
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strongandbig
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On April 13 2014 03:56 austinmcc wrote: geript, question. If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day. Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities. my thing doesnt say that oats only has one-shot abilities. I just get to know the number of one-shot abilities that he has. He could have other abilities that are not one-shot. | ||
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austinmcc
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On April 13 2014 04:26 Dandel Ion wrote: Okay you real.amiko claimed survivor (believable to me) with a role that doesn't do shit for a survivor (in line with mine and thus believable to me)* and has, as far as I know, not killed anybody yet. On the other hand we have a guy that killed keir and wants to kill 1-2 more townies *ignoring the bulletproof fakeclaim he did If I were a survivor and someone else claimed survivor with some item-y shits, I would immediate distrust them and think they were lying about wincon or faction, like 95%. Heck, I'd think they were lying even if I weren't a survivor. I don't understand "oh yeah, their role doesn't do shit for a survivor ---> therefore, they're a survivor," but I don't think you type that if you're not being honest here. | ||
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geript
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On April 13 2014 03:56 austinmcc wrote: geript, question. If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day. Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities. KP is scum/2 right? So saving IamP/ syllogism doesn't change anything I don't think. Like syllo's getting shot/lynched again 100%. IamP probly that way too. That doesn't save KP even for a night IMO. Now. I think it's likely just a preserve numbers thing. | ||
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austinmcc
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On April 13 2014 04:29 strongandbig wrote: My b then, but I think the point behind my question is still there. Why does scum save oats over doing nearly anything else.my thing doesnt say that oats only has one-shot abilities. I just get to know the number of one-shot abilities that he has. He could have other abilities that are not one-shot. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:29 austinmcc wrote: Okay you real. If I were a survivor and someone else claimed survivor with some item-y shits, I would immediate distrust them and think they were lying about wincon or faction, like 95%. Heck, I'd think they were lying even if I weren't a survivor. I don't understand "oh yeah, their role doesn't do shit for a survivor ---> therefore, they're a survivor," but I don't think you type that if you're not being honest here. I have a role that can give away items but I can't use the items myself. I HAD A KP PROTECTION ITEM AND I COULDNT USE IT AND HAD TO GIVE IT AWAY This makes so mindblowingly little sense for myself, that I believe survivor claims more the more nonsensical they are. I mean if my role is this fucked up it would just be unfair if other roles made sense. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:29 geript wrote: I don't know how many folks scum have. IF they had an even number, then losing 2 means losing 1 KP, but losin 1 means not losing KP (KP rounds up). So saving EITHER would mean a bonus KP that night IF mafia has even number of members.KP is scum/2 right? So saving IamP/ syllogism doesn't change anything I don't think. Like syllo's getting shot/lynched again 100%. IamP probly that way too. That doesn't save KP even for a night IMO. Now. I think it's likely just a preserve numbers thing. Why save oats to preserve numbers? Again, why not burn it on a townie or someone who likely has more stuff in the bag than oats. ALL uses of "x can't be lynched and you can use this right before lynch" cause chaos, screw up a lynch, and give you another night cycle. Pretty much ANY use of that power "preserves numbers", either by saving scum or by giving you NKs and probably putting the lynch the NEXT day on a target of you choosing. If that person is town, you essentially draw 2 mislynches out of town on the SAME townie. | ||
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justanothertownie
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geript
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On April 13 2014 04:30 austinmcc wrote: My b then, but I think the point behind my question is still there. Why does scum save oats over doing nearly anything else. This is such a dumb worthless question. Like maybe his partner can't use it on himself. away you, now I'm super duper scum for saying partner again. Like there's lots of potential reasons. | ||
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austinmcc
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geript
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On April 13 2014 04:33 austinmcc wrote: I don't know how many folks scum have. IF they had an even number, then losing 2 means losing 1 KP, but losin 1 means not losing KP (KP rounds up). So saving EITHER would mean a bonus KP that night IF mafia has even number of members. Why save oats to preserve numbers? Again, why not burn it on a townie or someone who likely has more stuff in the bag than oats. ALL uses of "x can't be lynched and you can use this right before lynch" cause chaos, screw up a lynch, and give you another night cycle. Pretty much ANY use of that power "preserves numbers", either by saving scum or by giving you NKs and probably putting the lynch the NEXT day on a target of you choosing. If that person is town, you essentially draw 2 mislynches out of town on the SAME townie. I don't think mafia is in a position to make that play. Like oats is super fucking scum. Maybe there are long 5 scum and 2 left. Like that's my point in calling this exercise worthless. I have specific thoughts and expectations of how the game is. But it isn't like we can realistically prove any of that. Like why in the fuck would a good player like you waste time on this? | ||
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geript
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On April 13 2014 04:36 austinmcc wrote: Nah. My dumb questions look like dumb questions. This one's real. Doubt it. Why not just say what you're thinking because like I don't see any reason for you to be poking here. I feel like you're just wasting my time because you have your own theory/knowledge/pinky swear/whatever. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:38 geript wrote: Because it's interesting to me and whatnot, and trying to understand your thought processes helps me figure out how your brain is working and what angle you're coming from.I don't think mafia is in a position to make that play. Like oats is super fucking scum. Maybe there are long 5 scum and 2 left. Like that's my point in calling this exercise worthless. I have specific thoughts and expectations of how the game is. But it isn't like we can realistically prove any of that. Like why in the fuck would a good player like you waste time on this? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:40 geript wrote: My thoughts are known. If this is a scum ability that says "target bro can't be lynched", then I think (1) it can't be infinite and (2) they don't use it on oats. I continue to work in a world in which Oats has a one-shot ability to keep himself from getting lynched (again, multi-use is ... unlikely).Doubt it. Why not just say what you're thinking because like I don't see any reason for you to be poking here. I feel like you're just wasting my time because you have your own theory/knowledge/pinky swear/whatever. You thought about past games, about actions per cycle, and why you think someone else did this. But it doesn't seem like you thought "why would they do this with oats", and I'm trying to figure out if you didn't think that through, if you believe something different from me, or if it looks like you're just making crap up for unknown reasons. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Or it depends on chaos/radiation Or or or it's like you're wasting time on purpose. | ||
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