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Oatsmaster
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Dandel Ion
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strongandbig
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Anyway oats having that ability makes no sense with his claimed win condition. It has literally no relationship with it. The following are way more likely IMO: - oats is scum and one of his teammates has the no flip ability - oats is scum and has the no flip ability himself - oats is 3p and lying about the ability to try not to get nk'ed (this one seems unlikely, why claim like the most antitown ability around if you're a 3p trying to get town not to kill you) | ||
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strongandbig
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IAmRobik
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austinmcc
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On April 13 2014 02:47 IAmRobik wrote: Oats if mafia and dicking around. We are partially getting caught up in it, and should probably quit interacting with him.I'm so lost at this point in the game. I have 0 clue what's going on I forgot about BH's counter changing, hopeless didn't see snb's post, we're missing stuff NOW and not reading over stuff in the past by just dicking around with oats. Oats has rejected the ABBA. Shun the nonbeliever. SHUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNN. | ||
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austinmcc
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austinmcc
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If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day. Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
cool why don't i give you some light reading? Since I am the only active sane "confirmed town" left, and sandroba is still hogging all the protection items like a mofo, I might as well claim because I'm quite certain I would be the main NK target for scum otherwise, since BH and fool are not couted as "in the game" yet tonight so they won't shoot there. If you don't believe my claim you are dumb, because there was no way I was ever going to be lynched if I didn't do it. Confirmed town status is cool and all but surviving is more important. I am a 3p simple survivor. "Simple" meaning no extra shit, that's literally everything in my wincon. My flavor is that I am an Egg. I do not know if I can hatch into something, and if I can, what manner of creature that would be. Dragon is a possibility, but currently, I am not a dragon. So I hope that sandro isn't 3p too and shoots me and if he does, that I'm not counted as a dragon even though I'm not even a dragon. I know he's some kind of dragon-killer, he told me that. That I am still claiming my flavor despite that knowledge will show that I truly do not know whether I could be a dragon or not, and that I am sincere about not being mafia. While that is something that anybody who knows my meta can tell in an instant anyway (I fucking hate playing mafia so I never do play as mafia), I may well have given a town/possible 3p (it's possible) the means to kill me, which, again, would be stupid to do as mafia. This is also the reason why I am and was pretty insistant about lynching JAT - with amiko already being claimed simple survivor (since i also am a simple survivor it sounds plausible that there could be another), hopeless and palmar with the competing winconditions, and myself, it is rather unlikely that there would be a SK on top of all that - too many other win-conditions, even if we assume 6 mafia (which would be the most likely number with a SK in the game judging from killed people so far), so it is simply more likely he is just fucking mafia. It really is the same logic as for why Oats is fucking mafia and not 3p. It would be too much. As for your other concerns, I have clearly been playing for town all game, with only the most minor of fence-sitting in the first phase. I stopped even that when I tried to contact BOTH iamp and syllo during the PM period, and neither even remotely considered working together. I didn't explicitly claim survivor to iamp, he just didn't talk to me, but I did claim survivor to syllo, mainly because nobody would believe the guy anyway even if he revealed that and I could just call wifom on it. I even told the town* circle casually and off-hand that I claimed survivor to syllo, and while I did imply that I was trolling him I wasn't. I was just making the most blatant breadcrumb in the world. *plus me hue hue Anyway syllo I feel like didn't believe me and then he started acting like a huge dick so I was like fuck that guy, and fuck all of scum they don't want to cooperate. So since then I was 100% on scum destruction path, because as a survivor I want the game to be a stomp in either direction - technically it wouldn't matter which but I decided on town this game because 1) personal preference and 2) mafia's behavior. That sadly drags out a bit longer than town destruction path, especially with lelOP roles on their side resulting in a million wasted dayphases, but from where I stand right now scum are just delaying the inevitable. Roles just don't make you play better. So since this post drags on a bit and writing walls is boring I'll just finish with some bullet points and then open up an AMA for you poor souls. 1) No if I planned on winning with scum I would have stabbed town N1 when I had an invention at my disposal and could have done whatever the fuck I wanted with it, and given it to scum. 2) instead I made the foal, an item that was foolproofed into ressurrecting either BH or foolishness (it rezzed whoever was dead and first in alphabethical order, a safety measure I wouldn't have bothered to add if I wasn't playing for town. Could just have been "rezz whoever" and then when scum gets rezzed be like "oops i guess scum shot the guy i gave it to, too bad") and completely unabusable for scum AND I gave it to Wave, who by now flipped town due to scum dayvig, so there you have it 3) while I'm playing for town, it still doesn't help scum's wincon to shoot me, which is all I hope to discourage with this post. As you may have guessed from my post and my motivations for writing it, though, I have no form of KP protection so they could. Anybody could. I just hope it doesn't happen but if it does that's life yoloswag. 4) Oats and JAT are mafia 5) I'll be afk all sunday so if you want to participate in my AMA do it now I'll be gone tomorrow. This has nothing to do with my claim or plans for this game I'll just be busy irl. AMA is now open | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On April 13 2014 03:56 austinmcc wrote: geript, question. If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day. Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities. because oats has the pardon, oats' buddy has the janitor oats wants to sell as his own power. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On April 12 2014 02:39 Amiko wrote: You and kita both also claimed to be immune to nightkills. That's also why I figured you both must be 3p/scum - why claim you are immune if you could soak bullets instead? I mean, I guess the obvious answer (given kita's flip) is to avoid getting shot at night. On April 12 2014 03:40 Amiko wrote: My role feels pretty boring. I mean the random item swap might be interesting but sort of mean. Maybe I would end up with some powerful item? But like I said, even if I got some item, I am dis-incentivized to use it. I really don't know what syllo was trying to do. I feel like as scum he should have wanted to ally with me, not try to paint me as scum. If I get lynched I flip 3p without any kp, so it just makes him look bad. I guess maybe he could have used this argument to say he must not be scum because why would he lie, and someone else must have also visited whoever it was he claimed, but eh. It is possible someone has a win condition of killing me (since that kind of role seems popular in this game). I guess he could have been trying to keep the lynch off someone else that day? If you want I can try to visit you and steal an item to feel more confirmed :3c I'd be willing to give it back afterward. If I get roleblocked by scum, then whatever, it would uses up a roleblock to prevent nothing important. On April 12 2014 09:59 Amiko wrote: 30 secs moving to JAT Does this really look like survivor play to ANYONE? He tries to get information about the people who cannot be nightkilled, he has a pretty unbelievable role and he is the only one fast enough to start a switch onto me? Smells like he KNEW oats would not be lynched. If he was a survivor why would he care about securing a lynch on me that late in the day? On April 12 2014 03:02 strongandbig wrote: here's one thing, as long as jat is alive and trying to kill sandroba, we have to keep roleblocking him every night. i'd take a scum lynch first, but that in itself is a good enough reason to have jat be the backup lynch if oats is actually lynchproof. On April 12 2014 10:16 IAmRobik wrote: Someone shoot that scumbag I can do that if you don't rb me. No, I won't shoot Sandro because you guys made it pretty clear that he won't be killed and I believe you. On April 12 2014 14:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Oooo I got a gun. who should I shoot guys? ahahaha. Inb4 he "proves" his townieness by shooting a townie/3p tonight. lol On April 13 2014 00:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude no flips tonight and changed rad counter. I only have 2 1 shots. RIGHT GUYS? Yes, but how would we know that it wasn't one of your teammates who did the janitor thing? Ridiculous. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 13 2014 03:58 Dandel Ion wrote: (Right but I'm still working on figuring out Geript. He's not the most likely scum out of the non-oats, I still dislike Killing more, and geript has some townie stuff going for him. But his response to Robik still reads funky to me, and talking about how someone else would have used that on oats yesterday continued to eat at me, and this is one reason why. He's just...making these statements and coming to conclusions that I don't <3, that I don't understand, but they lack that SCUMMY reasoning behind them. Like, who cares who used oats-is-lynchable juice, it doesn't matter if it's oats or something else, and geript doesn't seem to be trying to SAVE oats at all by saying someone else did something to him, so there's no reason for scum to type that odd conclusion in thread, but it bugs me and bugs me so poke poke)because oats has the pardon, oats' buddy has the janitor oats wants to sell as his own power. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On April 13 2014 03:56 austinmcc wrote: geript, question. If scum has a "target player can't be lynched this cycle" mechanic on someone, why do they wait until now to use it? Could stick it on syllo or iamp earlier, possibly save a power of theirs and also keep a KP maybe, depending on numbers. Could stick it on Gumshoe D1, give no flip information, and PROBABLY have gumshoe be the lynch D2. Save it for a townie on a critical day coming up, no lynch, another set of NKs, and we PROBABLY lynch that dude the next day. Do you think, if you actually work through it, that a buddy/partner/forbidden lover/supplicant/trusted librarian of Oats's would use that power on Oats? ESPECIALLY if snb's bit is legit and he just has one-shot abilities. If scum used that on a townie oats... Why did oats say he could not be lynched? | ||
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Dandel Ion
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austinmcc
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On April 13 2014 04:03 justanothertownie wrote: You hear the ABBA, but you clearly do not read with the blue eyes of the swedes.If scum used that on a townie oats... Why did oats say he could not be lynched? I'm not suggesting oats is townie or town. I'm trying to understand what geript is thinking when he posts these: On April 12 2014 10:47 geript wrote: I've played 1 GM game before but could people confirm or deny that GM usually only allows players to do one thing per phase. I really think Oats partner did the unlynchable ish thing. On April 12 2014 10:55 geript wrote: Austin. I don't really get your point. Like I feel it's pretty obvious IMO that Oats is mafia and his teammate saved him. I remember Wave was 3P with VE maybe in chrono 2 and the could res each other I think, but normally players can't take more than one action per phase and iirc GM tends to follow that rule. So Oats teammate had to have saved him. I don't get how you don't see what I'm saying and how you don't come to this conclusion too. | ||
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justanothertownie
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justanothertownie
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On April 13 2014 04:06 austinmcc wrote: You hear the ABBA, but you clearly do not read with the blue eyes of the swedes. I'm not suggesting oats is townie or town. I'm trying to understand what geript is thinking when he posts these: Ok, my bad. | ||
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geript
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austinmcc
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My only real question I guess is that you seem concerned with JAT throughout your filter, but not with Amiko much. I can understand "makes sense that there could be another survivor", but ... you didn't question his claim at all because of that? Or question just general play / claimed item abilities / comment about not being sure about committing himself to ABBA. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On April 13 2014 04:19 austinmcc wrote: DI, i got...nothing in particular to ask about that. I generally believe it, just because you weren't looking scummy and apparently have been doing some townie stuff. My only real question I guess is that you seem concerned with JAT throughout your filter, but not with Amiko much. I can understand "makes sense that there could be another survivor", but ... you didn't question his claim at all because of that? Or question just general play / claimed item abilities / comment about not being sure about committing himself to ABBA. My guess would be that another survivor is no problem for him. Someone with KP IS a problem for a survivor. | ||
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