EPTWhat I do find particularly interesting about this claim is that my vote count analysis points to bot Dandel and Amiko being scum and JAT being 3P(acts more independent/like town in voting patterns). Like Dandel's here defending Amiko which is odd to me because if he's 3P survivor her death means nothing to him. There's just a lot of weird shit in there and it bugs me so I hope if he's not scum that scum shoot him and no one protects him.
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geript
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What I do find particularly interesting about this claim is that my vote count analysis points to bot Dandel and Amiko being scum and JAT being 3P(acts more independent/like town in voting patterns). Like Dandel's here defending Amiko which is odd to me because if he's 3P survivor her death means nothing to him. There's just a lot of weird shit in there and it bugs me so I hope if he's not scum that scum shoot him and no one protects him. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 13 2014 04:48 Dandel Ion wrote: Green: (Which is again what I think and I'm trying to understand why Geript thinks that oats does NOT do the lynchproof bit, someone else does)Or Oats had the lynchproof so if he doesn't use it on himself it's wasted. Or it depends on chaos/radiation Or or or it's like you're wasting time on purpose. Blue: Possible, but chaos has been 1 and > 1, so this would be a radiation thing only. Possible. No color: It may be "like" that, but it ain't. | ||
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geript
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On April 13 2014 04:53 austinmcc wrote: Green: (Which is again what I think and I'm trying to understand why Geript thinks that oats does NOT do the lynchproof bit, someone else does) Blue: Possible, but chaos has been 1 and > 1, so this would be a radiation thing only. Possible. No color: It may be "like" that, but it ain't. It's really simple. I don't think I've seen a GM role where they get to do 2 things in one phase. Like we can't used roles and defend; or at least I can't afaik. My last GM role had a couple of things but I couldn't use them both at the same time (sadly because I totally would've done a double lynch and vote rigged Slam/BH to die). Like it's not impossible, but I just don't see it. Like if Oats were 1 shot lynchproof, I imagine that that would be some kind of item, which he 100% wouldn't have had. Like that's too weird as a 1 shot passive imo. So therefore Oats didn't do it. | ||
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strongandbig
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strongandbig
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On April 13 2014 05:03 geript wrote: It's really simple. I don't think I've seen a GM role where they get to do 2 things in one phase. Like we can't used roles and defend; or at least I can't afaik. My last GM role had a couple of things but I couldn't use them both at the same time (sadly because I totally would've done a double lynch and vote rigged Slam/BH to die). Like it's not impossible, but I just don't see it. Like if Oats were 1 shot lynchproof, I imagine that that would be some kind of item, which he 100% wouldn't have had. Like that's too weird as a 1 shot passive imo. So therefore Oats didn't do it. If oats actually was telling the truth about being a survivor assassin it would be possible, I think - I don't think any ability where you PM the mods and it happens instantly counts as a normal phase use ability for most greymist roles, since it happens instantly. | ||
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geript
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On April 13 2014 04:45 austinmcc wrote: You thought about past games, about actions per cycle, and why you think someone else did this. But it doesn't seem like you thought "why would they do this with oats", and I'm trying to figure out if you didn't think that through, if you believe something different from me, or if it looks like you're just making crap up for unknown reasons. Offsite I've seen scum pardoner role a bunch of times. Every time I've seen scum pardon town (except for once), it's always ended up fucking town. That first time, it didn't fuck up scum because it pulled a vigi shot. Plus, I can't think of a game where mid-late game, Scum ever pardoned non-scum. Like ever. It's just not worth the risk. Sure if Oats actually is 3P this is a decent time to pull that out but then we just get JAT to kill him and if JAT doesn't, then we kill JAT too. So I'm not seeing the point. Either way, I'm still pissed at you and you're still not making sense so I'm gonna be the big spoon. Snooglewoogle you can be the small spoon mmmmk | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On April 13 2014 05:05 strongandbig wrote: What are people's current thoughts about VA and paperscraps? I feel pretty much blank about both of them, which I don't like very much. Daniel is kinda town. VA I'm not sure about but I'm calling 100% #YOLO townread on him. So I'm not interested in either right now. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
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geript
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On April 13 2014 05:08 IAmRobik wrote: WHERE THE FUCK IS SANDRO! On April 11 2014 00:46 sandroba wrote: really ve, if you are town I'm going to be so pissed off, i don't even About 52 hours afk apparently. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
People who have the ability to decrease chaos/radiation might be more likely to be scum than town. Maybe whoever used the decrease of chaos/radiation or whatever the fuck decreased after oats wasn't lynched, maybe that has something to do with the counter decreasing. Like, mafia used a pro mafia ability and chaos decreased. Town uses abilities (as described in BH's role and poofter's role) and chaos/radiation goes up. Thoughts? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 13 2014 05:07 geript wrote: Offsite I've seen scum pardoner role a bunch of times. Every time I've seen scum pardon town (except for once), it's always ended up fucking town. That first time, it didn't fuck up scum because it pulled a vigi shot. Plus, I can't think of a game where mid-late game, Scum ever pardoned non-scum. Like ever. It's just not worth the risk. Sure if Oats actually is 3P this is a decent time to pull that out but then we just get JAT to kill him and if JAT doesn't, then we kill JAT too. So I'm not seeing the point. Either way, I'm still pissed at you and you're still not making sense so I'm gonna be the big spoon. Snooglewoogle you can be the small spoon mmmmk I feel pretty sure there was a scum pardoner in a greymist game actually, but I couldn't find it on my phone when I tried earlier. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 13 2014 05:05 strongandbig wrote: VA a solid scum suspect.What are people's current thoughts about VA and paperscraps? I feel pretty much blank about both of them, which I don't like very much. Paperscraps slightly less so, just on looking over D1? He picked up votes from 3/4 of our scummers (working off oats being scum). He ends the day with 3/4 scum votes on him, which doesn't say much I guess but you'd think they might move off once things are pushed elsewhere if paper is a scumbuddy and gumshoe ain't. LSB's vote and posts on paper especially make him feel a little unlikely. Syllo and oats don't do much for me either way on paper, but LSB's looks unlike a scum bussing. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 13 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote: Not anything solid right now. Seems like some people interact with radiation in different ways, chaos feels more likely to me (as a means of balancing other stuff though --> scum can do something nasty but chaos goes down, town can do something good but chaos goes up). It's not anything firm to go on though.I just had a random thought: People who have the ability to decrease chaos/radiation might be more likely to be scum than town. Maybe whoever used the decrease of chaos/radiation or whatever the fuck decreased after oats wasn't lynched, maybe that has something to do with the counter decreasing. Like, mafia used a pro mafia ability and chaos decreased. Town uses abilities (as described in BH's role and poofter's role) and chaos/radiation goes up. Thoughts? (But it would totally implicate killing, and I mentioned this previously that I "oh yeah just erase chaos" feels like...a lie, and in a not-townie way, because town wouldn't get "decrease chaos AND DO x" because the former is already super sexy for town). I believe, however, that chaos is now 0 because we hit 3 or more, triggering the event thing. | ||
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geript
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On April 13 2014 05:14 austinmcc wrote: VA a solid scum suspect. Paperscraps slightly less so, just on looking over D1? He picked up votes from 3/4 of our scummers (working off oats being scum). He ends the day with 3/4 scum votes on him, which doesn't say much I guess but you'd think they might move off once things are pushed elsewhere if paper is a scumbuddy and gumshoe ain't. LSB's vote and posts on paper especially make him feel a little unlikely. Syllo and oats don't do much for me either way on paper, but LSB's looks unlike a scum bussing. Or you could just read the reasoning I gave for why it would be highly unlikely that Scraps is town. Like it's not just the 3/4 thing it's that they were on that wagon with 10 hours left in the day. Considering their preponderance not to bus, that's really weird for them to bus a teammate there when it's quite possible that another wagon doesn't form. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 13 2014 05:17 geript wrote: (Me reading doesn't answer snb's question)Or you could just read the reasoning I gave for why it would be highly unlikely that Scraps is town. Like it's not just the 3/4 thing it's that they were on that wagon with 10 hours left in the day. Considering their preponderance not to bus, that's really weird for them to bus a teammate there when it's quite possible that another wagon doesn't form. | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
SUDDEN TIMELINE ALTERATION! ![[image loading]](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Tb1S93bmYpo/URsUzd91HwI/AAAAAAAAAEs/bX4TXmZCyrI/s1600/06q.jpg) The Goddess of Chaos have spoken! The Game has fallen into a timeline in which Blazinghand was never revived! Blazinghand as The Doctor is dead once more! | ||
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Palmar
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VayneAuthority
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Palmar
Iceland22634 Posts
Like this game is pointless to play for about a week while we try to kill the claimed 3p people (amiko/oats/jat). I'll be afk and voting. | ||
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justanothertownie
16342 Posts
On April 13 2014 05:59 Palmar wrote: So boring that you can't lynch people. Like this game is pointless to play for about a week while we try to kill the claimed 3p people (amiko/oats/jat). I'll be afk and voting. If scum should somehow magically win this game then this is the reason why. | ||
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