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Steveling
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gumshoe
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People are unwilling to consider Plam and Rayn because they have played well, but they can do that as scum / : Rayn has claimed scum and despite the circumstance of that, is Plamar not more likely scum if Rayn is telling the truth? If we lynch Coag or sent, who gives a shit, we will learn absolutely nothing, lynch palmar though and we can reveal how this game has been controlled by scum since the start. | ||
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gumshoe
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
Just saying, the information to get out of a sentinel or coag lynch is definetely there. It would probably clear up more than a palmar lynch. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On April 05 2014 02:48 gumshoe wrote: Ok, lets make this simple shall we? You have said over and over that I am not this dumb and therefore scum. Palmer, my group was likely to be a no lynch, if we lynch you today and your green, we can just lynch me on day 3. No take backsies. Its a 1 for 1 if im wrong and scum. But if I'm right, this whole game turns on its head. I mean, your done today no matter what, so whats wrong with the trade? People are unwilling to consider Plam and Rayn because they have played well, but they can do that as scum / : Rayn has claimed scum and despite the circumstance of that, is Plamar not more likely scum if Rayn is telling the truth? If we lynch Coag or sent, who gives a shit, we will learn absolutely nothing, lynch palmar though and we can reveal how this game has been controlled by scum since the start. Not according to me and some others, lol. As for the rest of your post, first of all rayn hasn't claimed. He did and then he town claimed, he even left his "last will" reads to to speak. Some people think he scum claimed, some not but for a most people he didn't scumclaim. People who know him well say that he did, like HF. People who don't, say that he didn't, like prplz. Second, your point would be valid in a normal setup. You are telling us to lynch palmar to get reads off of it? In a game which whole cells are removed after a lynch? Really? In what world is that logical. Scum can bus whomever they want exactly because this is a cell removal setup. You have no solid reason to say what you just said. Honestly gum, make some sense pls, talk to me. Target whomever you want but make valid points pls. | ||
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Palmar
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Palmar
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 05 2014 02:56 Steveling wrote: Not according to me and some others, lol. As for the rest of your post, first of all rayn hasn't claimed. He did and then he town claimed, he even left his "last will" reads to to speak. Some people think he scum claimed, some not but for a most people he didn't scumclaim. People who know him well say that he did, like HF. People who don't, say that he didn't, like prplz. Second, your point would be valid in a normal setup. You are telling us to lynch palmar to get reads off of it? In a game which whole cells are removed after a lynch? Really? In what world is that logical. Scum can bus whomever they want exactly because this is a cell removal setup. You have no solid reason to say what you just said. Honestly gum, make some sense pls, talk to me. Target whomever you want but make valid points pls. No, your totally wrong, we get more out of lynching for info in this setup, because 1: the person is going to die anyways, so we dont lose anything but the point when we kill them. 2: Your looking at it the wrong way bus wise, you think scum can bus any cell, its not like that, think of it as an election, say your scum team is rayn mdern palmer prplz slam You CANNOT throw the cells your are likely to win (ie plamar and rayn) you want to work to make sure those cells pan out no matter what because the mdern and slam cells can very well fail (leaving prp as a swing vote. It's like an election, where each side feels they can win certain states, and only like 12 are in the balance. If you have palmar in a cell with coag and sent, there is no reason palmar should lose that match and scum should do as much as they can to make sure that doesnt happen, thereby leaving clear connections. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 05 2014 02:59 Palmar wrote: Wanting a 1 for 1 lynch is basically a scum claim. We also confirm me if we get the lynch between coag and sent right No, if its coag, it could be sent, if its sent, it could be coag, it says nothing about your alignment. I am throwing away a cell I have effectively won, not because I am scum, but because I am a pompous know it all townie who thinks hes solved the game : P and am willing to bet everything to be right. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 05 2014 02:56 Steveling wrote: Not according to me and some others, lol. As for the rest of your post, first of all rayn hasn't claimed. He did and then he town claimed, he even left his "last will" reads to to speak. Some people think he scum claimed, some not but for a most people he didn't scumclaim. People who know him well say that he did, like HF. People who don't, say that he didn't, like prplz. Second, your point would be valid in a normal setup. You are telling us to lynch palmar to get reads off of it? In a game which whole cells are removed after a lynch? Really? In what world is that logical. Scum can bus whomever they want exactly because this is a cell removal setup. You have no solid reason to say what you just said. Honestly gum, make some sense pls, talk to me. Target whomever you want but make valid points pls. how does hf know rayn better than i know rayn? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 05 2014 03:13 prplhz wrote: how does hf know rayn better than i know rayn? HF is the best player on tl bro, he knows everyone better than you : P | ||
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Holyflare
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
That rayn, HF and Palmar are some kind of mafia NAVI that are never wrong and are gonna rape us. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Tentacles and stuff. | ||
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Holyflare
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 05 2014 03:23 Holyflare wrote: You probably shouldn't be listening to what i say this game though Oh come on man, who are they going to listen to instead?! ME??!!!! I need you Holy T_T if your town too were not likely to win this without you. | ||
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Holyflare
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getmoript
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On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote: Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi. You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing. My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid. Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys? Promote discussion pls. This post really bugs me. Never in playing mafia have I ever found a filter with nothing I found bad in it. But what's even odder to me is the complete non-chalance before about Rayn/Gum. I think HF pinged me on this point earlier in the game and I remember it being odd, but in rereading it sticks out even more and more. Specifically, Steveling essentially made this huge case on Gumshoe where he ends up with a fence read. The thing that specifically bugs me is that in this setup, if I'm town and I have a super town read on someone else and a neutral read on the third person, then I'm going to read the fuck out of the third person to figure out what I'm missing and where I'm going wrong. It gets weirder: On April 02 2014 20:51 Steveling wrote: First, if I had to bet on it, I'd say he's town. Now about the people that bus'd him Tehpoofter and getript seemingly blindly jump on him. Definitely suspicious for me. Gumshoe's suspicion I think is kinda silly, why would mderg defend me like that out of the blue, it would be literally the worst mafia play ever. Balla doesn't really hard claim him as scum as the others, he's just saying that his filter is scammy/inactive/fluff. So, can't form an opinion on balla based on that. Raynkoshi made the connection between mderg and gum but and raynkoshi so far gets a town read in my book so there's that. I like the joke there and laughed "I think he's town but about those people bussing him..." The weird thing here is that he again calls RaynKoshi town and calls Gum's suspicion silly. There's really too much of this to ignore. On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote: Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking? About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum. I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by. The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own. That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum. I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself. I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part. Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate. You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's case] + On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him: Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum: Here is the full conversation regarding this: Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!! There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to: Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means: I made a post about this already. It's here: Look at the post.
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation! Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + : I'll just make a list of these:
Thank you for reading. ~rayn So Steveling has town read on rayn; there's a lack of debunking of rayn's case by gumshoe; steveling likes rayn's case. How can this guy not just call gumshoe scumshoe here. I really don't get it. The thing that I find odd about this in particular is that if you read Gumshoe's post in context, then it's super easy to dismiss Rayn's point 2. Point 1 from Rayn's case is far more convincing and a better point imo (although I personally don't find any of Rayn's case convincing). Point 3 I can seen from a lot of directions. The important thing here is that Steve should just be hammer Scumshoe into the ground here and pushing for Group 1 first. On April 03 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote: I'm trying to figure this out, because so far they have being very townish. But this is, well how should I put it, questionable? Anyway, you can have your own opinion, illogical as it is. At least make a case against me so I can defend myself. X swore on his life so he's legit is not much of an argument. As I said earlier what everyone needs to do is defend themselves because a single lynch removes an entire cell from the game so I'll defend myself. Just try to find a proper reason if you can? Dunno, this play of yours is very bad. And one last thing, ryankoshi, you didn't respond to that, what if I also swear I'm town? I don't disagree with Steve here. Rayn's reason for flipping his read on gumshoe was weird/illogical/whatever. The odd response specifically is Steve's been super convinced that Gum is scum here; he's found gum's posting scummy, he's found rayn super town, he's liked rayn's case and thinks the points are scummy/damning. But the weird thing is that he's not hammering any of this shit home when gumshoe gets a freebie townread. I don't see why he's not just rehammering all of those arguments back into rayn if he reallys thinks Gum is scum. Overall, I think gum's town, I'm going to assume Rayn is town. Steve looks really odd and scummy so he hsould be lynch #2 | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
Palmar is probably the player I have the hardest time reading in this game. It's going to be hard trying to figure the scum in my own cell, even. Sent is caught between an extremely competent player who I believe HAS played us, just as sent fears, and one of the most infamous townie goats on Tl. This sentiment doesn't make him scum / : | ||
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Palmar
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