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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 06 2014 23:32 GMT
#2541
my role is retarded in the hands of mafia, it doesnt provide anything unless I know who Rose is. If I know who Rose is, why the hell wouldn't I either shoot or convert her immediately?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 06 2014 23:34 GMT
#2542
hopeless who do we nuke?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22133 Posts
April 06 2014 23:36 GMT
#2543
Alright guys. If we manage to exclude thrawn from the scumspects tonight we can win this game.

Kush's role had become useless, he became a goon once he fired his shot. Hence why I said that nobody fighting back on that lynch was a gambit. The pawn got killed so the converter could survive tonight.

My theory is like previously mentioned that scum converts on odd and shoots on even nights. They might also have a converter and be able to hold back KP.

Now, if we assume that tehpoofter is scum with kita, then TP must be either a converter or some other type of scum role if the conversion is a factional ability and not a role.

In case it's a role, me and austin both roleblock TP and scum can't convert tonight, or only kita can carry out the kill or conversion if it's not factionally executed. Scum kita can roleblock one of us but not both, hence the conversion gets fucked up. Maybe scum can't use a role and carry out a kill/conversion at the same time.

Summa summarum I think that'd be a good plan for tonight as opposed to kita's "all roleblockers target each other".
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 06 2014 23:37 GMT
#2544
vivax, there is part of kush's role that we aren't allowed to know
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22133 Posts
April 06 2014 23:37 GMT
#2545
On April 07 2014 08:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax, there is part of kush's role that we aren't allowed to know


That's usually the part where the name of your scumbuddies is written.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 06 2014 23:39 GMT
#2546
yeah i guess it would be pretty assholey of hosts to not tell us if we killed the converter
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22133 Posts
April 06 2014 23:40 GMT
#2547
And that mistake makes you town thrawn.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 06 2014 23:42 GMT
#2548
well awesome, i guess
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 06 2014 23:44 GMT
#2549
kita or poof for nuke targets. I havent really re-read this thread in general, I'd like to go see the time around kush's scumometer activation and kita's response, but i'm gonna be gone for the next couple hours at least.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22133 Posts
April 06 2014 23:47 GMT
#2550
One of the vanillas must be a scum role that can't be made public, cause if hopeless has that role then it means scum has absolutely shitty roles compared to a town that seems overpowered.

If of the vanillas it's not amiko or thrawn it has to be TP, plus the way he jumped on the kush wagon was absolutely ludicrous. Kita converted N1. GG scum. I don't see who else could be.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 06 2014 23:53 GMT
#2551
##vote nuke tp

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22133 Posts
April 07 2014 00:20 GMT
#2552
^what he said
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 07 2014 01:18 GMT
#2553
On April 07 2014 07:45 Vivax wrote:
What imo is a strong indicator of kita being mafia is that scum shot Djo knowing that me and hopeless were both blue (if hope isn't scum), they would never take such a risk of not shooting a claimed blue without already KNOWING Djo was inventor, and inventor is clearly a much better role than a claimed JK or such a watcher.


Then explain why I wouldn't roleblock djo knowing that he was the inventor and protected austin instead? That's essentially a free nuke or dt check added to the game because I was feeling generous?

Djo claimed blue early on in the game so it's only a process of elimination to figure out his identity.

I'm also on the nuke tp bandwagon. He jumps on kush for a weak reason, he has a vanilla role which is likely fake and kush chose not to check him even though he was his strongest scum read. Instead, he checked the player he claimed to have a town read on for most of the game.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22133 Posts
April 07 2014 01:32 GMT
#2554
On April 07 2014 10:18 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2014 07:45 Vivax wrote:
What imo is a strong indicator of kita being mafia is that scum shot Djo knowing that me and hopeless were both blue (if hope isn't scum), they would never take such a risk of not shooting a claimed blue without already KNOWING Djo was inventor, and inventor is clearly a much better role than a claimed JK or such a watcher.


Then explain why I wouldn't roleblock djo knowing that he was the inventor and protected austin instead? That's essentially a free nuke or dt check added to the game because I was feeling generous?

Djo claimed blue early on in the game so it's only a process of elimination to figure out his identity.

I'm also on the nuke tp bandwagon. He jumps on kush for a weak reason, he has a vanilla role which is likely fake and kush chose not to check him even though he was his strongest scum read. Instead, he checked the player he claimed to have a town read on for most of the game.


On April 05 2014 05:44 austinmcc wrote:
Okay good. Not 100%, as I could see scum having either the Cyber Planner or the Doctor as a main role, possibly with Godfather protection, but that's nice.

I am a roleblocker and RBed Toad N1, RBed Kita N2.
If kita shows town and does what I think he might do, he's likely cleared. If kita doesn't do what I think he might do, it may be because of my RB and Vivax would have faked his claim (or kita don't do what i think he do).


Usually roleblocker blocks before jailer but on the other hand that's when they RB each other.

There's however the fact that hopeless was watching you and didn't see anyone (if he's not lying)...That means austin's roleblock didn't work. But what if...

On April 05 2014 06:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
Not that its worth anything, but I can confirm that JJD and Austin's claim match my check:
Show nested quote +
Austinmcc visited your target.




This is a lie?

I think I need to think some more on you and hopeless.

REVOKE NUKE ON TP.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 07 2014 01:39 GMT
#2555
I don't think I understand what you're getting at.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22133 Posts
April 07 2014 01:51 GMT
#2556
This fucking supposed host mistake makes me angry. It's incredibly unfair if hopeless is scum lying, and it's unfair if the hosts don't announce they made a mistake.

I actually think hopeless is lying precisely because the hosts didn't confirm that they made a mistake to the thread. If they did it would be game changing information and they need to fix that. If we lose the game cause of this the hosts are to blame and I can shrub off responsibility for my following conclusions.

So I'll work on the premise that the hosts didn't make a mistake, and hopeless lied to cover up HIS mistake.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Let's see. I jail austin, you protect austin, austin roleblocks you.

Hopeless sees austin roleblock kita.

That means that my jail didn't work on austin either cause of order of preference or cause I was roleblocked, order of preference usually only applies when jailer and roleblock target each other. Means I have been roleblocked.

Since you likely have been converted then scum can also have 2 roleblocks. SCUM HAS TO HAVE AT LEAST 1 ROLEBLOCKER WITH THOSE ROLES.

So the plan was this: Your roleblocker 1 roleblocks me, roleblocker 2 (kita) roleblocks Djo.

My jail on austin doesn't work for some reason. He roleblocks you however and Djo manages to invent the scumometer.

It also makes sense to roleblock me for fear that I might jail one of your targets.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22133 Posts
April 07 2014 01:54 GMT
#2557
Targets changed to hopeless kita.

##Votenuke Kitascum
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
April 07 2014 02:00 GMT
#2558
Wait, so lets get this straight, the scum team is myself, kush, and hopeless.

"So the plan was this: Your roleblocker 1 roleblocks me, roleblocker 2 (kita) roleblocks Djo. "

So who is our mysterious roleblocker? Are you saying it was 4v4 yesterday? You just said 4v4 was unreasonable a few moments ago?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22133 Posts
April 07 2014 02:00 GMT
#2559
On April 07 2014 11:00 kitaman27 wrote:
Wait, so lets get this straight, the scum team is myself, kush, and hopeless.

"So the plan was this: Your roleblocker 1 roleblocks me, roleblocker 2 (kita) roleblocks Djo. "

So who is our mysterious roleblocker? Are you saying it was 4v4 yesterday? You just said 4v4 was unreasonable a few moments ago?


Hopeless can have additional powers he simply didn't claim.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22133 Posts
April 07 2014 02:02 GMT
#2560
It's not exactly Ockham-proof but I don't care. If hosts fucked up with hopeless' PM's and don't tell it to the whole thread and only to him, then this game is invalid. Hence hopeless lied.
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