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If any former VTs claim new powers (maybe... cyber powers?) let us know. So we have something to talk about... @thrawn2112 since you are in thread I think: N1: No kills N2: 2 kills N3: 1 kill Would you speculate a little about setup given the above kill patterns? @austinmcc I want to hear from them first if you don't mind :3 | ||
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(also that means rayn was wrong d1 :D go bug him in obs if you want ) | ||
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I tend to believe kita did track djo n1, then reported he was inventor to his scumteam. Feels somewhat obvious, but scum’s conversions are almost certainly not sequential days or they might seek to convert djo rather than killing him. Maybe more obvious, if scum could convert sequential nights game would be very hard/impossible. I’m not sure if kita used a vigi shot n2 – it seems to me that maybe the conversion just increased scum KP. If kita did vigi shoot n2, then it means that converted players keep their powers, which could be scary (but really isn’t at this point). I feel like there may be conclusions we can draw about whether scum has converted one person or two, but not sure and can’t map it out right now. Also @thrawn2112 Can you confirm/deny if you got any new powers last night? @tehpoofter Can you confirm/deny if you got any new powers last night? | ||
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But maybe when he was converted he lost his doctor-powers. I think that's possible- In this case, he doesn't have any powers, but has to claim some because he is Dr. Who. He uses his initial role, but switches out vigi-shot-powers for less a confirmable protect power. If someone he is supposed to protect dies, he can just claim WIFOM. Town can't tell him to shoot a mafia partner because as far as town knows, he can't vig shoot. | ||
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I'll come back later with tehpoofter comments | ||
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Summary D1, Tehpoofter asks kush a few questions. Some on kita, some on rayn. Seems to be okay with a kita lynch. He later does ask Slam some questions, too. N1, lists vivax, kita, kush, and JJD as top scumreads – he townreads thrawn and Austin. D2, reads thrawn, kush, Austin, and Amiko as town. I have only been looking for posts related to kita right now so I’m not sure if these reads seemed to evolve naturally or not. Poofter sees kush as strongly town, it seems this is largely based on kush’s shot. He feels kush is clear because the vote + day shot would be OP for mafia. I think earlier someone said they liked poofter D1 and didn’t like his D2. (That might have been me, lol, I know I felt scummier on poofter earlier). Rereading, I think poofter’s comments on D2 feel good to me: One of the best posts to see tehpoofter as town is this, I think (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=95#1886). I quoted it below, too. I’ll talk more about Tehpoofter’s comments on kita later, but he often gives reads on more than one thing at a time so I just wanted to bring it up here, too. He also doesn’t seem afraid to call out both kush and kita again in a later post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=107#2130) Thoughts Rereading poofter, one thing that really came across to me is that he often pairs kita and kush together as scum. Maybe this is part of a grander scheme to bus both his allies, but that feels less likely to me. He seems to follow up when he doubts them. He calls out a few posts by kush as scummy, and he only seems to begin to pair the two after unusual interactions between them occur. In sum, I find it difficult to believe tehpoofter is original scum. I’ll look at kush->Tehpoofter and hopefully also Tehpoofter <-> kita as well. Quote copies: + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 12:31 Tehpoofter wrote: @kush since you seem to be here and I'm impatient. Does kita start off all games with a random vote? and should Thrawn have known this? On March 31 2014 03:05 Tehpoofter wrote: Anyone else have this same meta read on rayn? (Being new makes meta reading hard and when I play video mafia I base a lot of my play around this I think its far more prevalent as a read in the video version) On March 31 2014 03:05 Tehpoofter wrote: I agree we should lynch the guy wanting to kill not mafia. On April 01 2014 10:12 Tehpoofter wrote: Scum leave Slam alone! There we go slam, now that I've taken care of that. What do you think of kita/kush/hopeless and vivax? On April 01 2014 18:08 Tehpoofter wrote: Town: Thrawn - He seems to be actually taken a back by the fact that he is only finding town, scum needs mislynches so if hes scum hes playing against his win con. Austin - I think his case and the way he fought it was townie. He also had the same line of thinking as me that we shouldn't just lynch SLAM and should try to find real scum sadly he didn't find any scum but neither did I For scum: I want to look at vivax, kita, kush and JJD the most. I don't think they are all four scum but I think there is definitely a scum in there. Vivax for the reason that he tried to bury rayn and then voted slam... like he buries a town and gets off the wagon good lay low scum play imo. Kita: He puhsed on rayn and didn't really seem to listen to his responses during his push if you will note the difference between him and me pushing our cases on rayn I was not really sure and uncertain about if he was scum and austin pointed it out on my case I feel like being sure is more scummy than townie cause I'm trying to figure it out and kita in this case would just need a ML also I pointed out earlier my theory on the vote count thing possibly being from him. Kush: He is here because my town read thrawn wants to know whats up with you. JJD: He says that kita scum slipped calling me and him town maybe he did and kita is scum but it counts against JJD here because I'm in no way confirmed so how does he know I'm town? I mean maybe he read me as town but I didn't see that in his read... I'm going to read his filter after this and see if I missed him calling me town before that but I don't recall it. I ranked my scum and town in order of strongest to weakest. On April 03 2014 20:07 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm around, sadly not converted as apparently we lost our shrink and doctor. That sucks gum played it like that with the name thing. I thought it was interesting kush can do the vote thing and shoot during the day that's a pretty strong town role imo. I think you pointed this out thrawn. I think scum is somewhere between Vivax, Hopeless, Toad.... Vivax for reasons I've stated. Toad because he's claiming to not have a vote that counts and he can't die at night that is like the tree stump role on epic mafia which is kinda useless and easy to claim as mafia (I have done it in video mafia on several occasions) cause you never have to explain why you're alive and you can no vote and absolve yourself of all responsibility. (I've been busy with work and other games so haven't had time to dive but have we confirmed Toad's vote doesn't count?) Hopeless - I believe austin had a case on hopeless where he was around at day end voting on rayn after the claim saying it seemed fake without a cc. I was around then too and had been hard on rayn all day and wanted to get my vote off him to someone else (ended up on the doctor whoops) but still not on the claimed role. Town for me is thrawn, kush, austin, amiko (tenatively cause of the heal and he seems to be piecing the game together) On April 03 2014 20:14 Tehpoofter wrote: Anyways I'm out for the night. I will get up early to be around pre deadline. I'm okay with any of those on my scum list for lynches, preference to vivax. Also @ austin the post you quoted with 4 I still am hardest on vivax, kush is clear I think cause his role with the extra vote and day shot would be insane op for Mafia, Kita I will get up and read on d2 actions and see if he makes the pile but just the brief thread read through nothign stood out. JJD has a nuke and I like what he was doing pressuring hopeless with the fake claim thing it seemed like a really brazen thing to do and not something you'd really want to do as mafia and I think hopeless acted poorly on it. I know I haven't been around but I feel confident on this vivax lynch read my case, maybe kush will come out with a big case like he said in one of his posts but I don't like his posting patterns. night On April 04 2014 07:29 Tehpoofter wrote: How is kita hella town to you? Also why is JJD the possible scum out of the claimed blue roles? On April 04 2014 08:02 Tehpoofter wrote: So first off I'm looking at what we know so far no NK n1 3P survivor, shrink, doctor, Toad's role. We also have other claims at being blue Watcher from hopeless, Kush says hes day vig plus double vote (you didnt use your power today I'm assuming based on the vote counts), Vivax, JJD some types of visiting roles. Also There is someone who gave a nuke to JJD as he said he didn't make it. So we're looking at assuming all roles are blue, 7 blue town power roles and a 3P survivor that seems insanely high to me unless mafia has some big role maybe kill + conversion and I would think points to there being 2+ on the first day or it doesn't seem very balanced. I'll say it now but I think one of the blue roles is most likely mafia, or at the least 3P. Now maybe thats not the case but that only leaves Me, Austin, Kita, DJO, Amiko Thrawn (I believe) and for me I think kita/Djo would be the only possible scum team there I mean Amiko maybe cause of Austin's case I could maybe see him being that constructed but it still reads town so doesn't ping as super scummy to me. So my list of reads atm: Town Hero: Tehpoofter Town: Thrawn Austin Blues: (I think one is scum hopeless claim is the most townie cause it seems silly for scum to claim when they did.) Kush reaction was good to gum even though he shot the medic I'd have done the same as town although his role does seem really strong. Vivax probably the most scummy claim wise cause he was reluctant to give up his visit. But I was going to move my vote off him based on play so I still give him town points. JJD Seemed to try to get hopeless on that whole fakeclaim thing thats the 3rd occurance of him really pushing a scum read on something slip like to me it pings scummy because of my background as I highlighted in a previous post but it may be different on the forums. Kush Vivax Hopeless JJD Neutral Pile: Amiko - Has seemed very town in his posts but austin's case against him makes me question how much of it is off the cuff and not preplanned... its easy to look town if you know whats going on. I don't fully believe this read and would love to have more interaction with Amiko but if all blue claims are real it has to be someone else so he goes to neutral as I'm stronger on thrawn/Austin atm being town. DJO - He hasn't really done much of note for me I was making this list and in my head thought "idk where I stand on DJO tbh" so its null for me and hes not a blue role claim so he stands at neutral. I will try to reread his filter but probably cant get around to it for 6-7 hours as I'm at work and want to catch up on other games as this one is night phase atm. Most likely Scum: Kita - I think he has pushed on two lynches rayn first then vivax if vivax is town this makes him look even scummier in my eyes. He pushed on both their lynches later in the day after I had already been pushing on both from the start of the day he also calls me null when if we're in the same mindset wouldn't he think me more town he doesn't even mention our similar pushes in his reads. Now for me I like that he pushed on those people but he has been around at both EoD when I've been hesitant and reconsidered both my reads and he didn't with rayn or vivax just left his vote where it is. So to me it seems like someone scummy hoping on an established wagon to push someone into a lynch and not reconsidering at EoD. On April 04 2014 08:04 Tehpoofter wrote: @kush he claimed to have visited someone. @thrawn at the time I didn't want to vote a blue and he was the scummiest of the non-blue claims in my eyes. Plus what I stated in my case just above this... its honestly not very strong but more of a PoE thing. Other people looked townier and someone has to be scum type of deal. On April 04 2014 08:05 Tehpoofter wrote: anyways I'm around juist maybe in another thread. I think a massclaim at the start of the day might be the best idea. But I'd like to hear talk on it as the game might be a simple PoE type thing at that point idk the conversion makes it hard so then again it might not be good. I need time to think about it. @Thrawn/kush and those around can you guys make a list of who you think is scum/town so we can have it documented for possible conversions? On April 05 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote: Going to lunch I'll be back in an hour I really want to make a map of all the claims and see if anything seems odd. Kush and Kita really should full role claim. I have a theory that would be interesting in that Since there is so many blue powers when someone gets converted they get a 1 shot nuke... like kush did yesterday and amiko got today. Just something I was thinking about cause how crap this setup is kidna imbalanced for town otherwise assuming role claims are true. Like what kind of town role gets randomly turned into a day vigi? Anyways off to lunch? On April 06 2014 04:25 Tehpoofter wrote: At amiko I don't read the lore as I really haven't seen dr who. Also don't shoot me. This game doesn't make sense. I'm honestly surprised Kita is green. One of our claimed roles is mafia because it can't be just thrown. Maybe multiple roles. What are pEoples theOrieS if I'm town (I know I am but let's venture there)? I like Austin as town I feel like role teams would be vivax/hope or Kush/Kita because they confirm each other but if it's just one fake role it's amiko (I believe he has a shot though) Someone explain how my reads make sense for someone converted and by whom. I was advocating n1 reads and did my own same with n2 I have been very open. So idk why people think I'm converted minus activity drop. I gotta head to work ill post from there. I wasn't converted and am still lame ass vt. Content is down cause I'm in three games. This being the most progressed and least amount of posts. On April 06 2014 06:27 Tehpoofter wrote: @austin I understand your scum case on kush. Where I'm at right now is that there are 2 blue claims verified by each other. Vivax/Hopeless. and Kush/Kita. I have to assume one of them is fake and then maybe + thrawn or amiko? I believe austin's in the most town unless he was converted by Vivax the night JJD and vivax visited and JJD got the check for what he started the night as. But if thats the case I feel like Austin would push on me or thrawn for an easier ML rather than go on kush/kita. I feel like a night shot from amiko would be best because we have more info and if we lynch into the wrong "half" of things he could correct us. This obviously doesn't work if hes scum but if thats the case we probably already lost tbh. On April 06 2014 08:24 Tehpoofter wrote: @austin/others around. So if Kita/kush are mafia how likely is it that its just 2? I mean someone is on the bus train hard or its just them. Maybe amiko is the 3rd the way hes talking but idk... If its kita/kush/amiko then i think it was kita alone then kush then amiko conversion wise. But maybe the n1 stuff could have been an attempt to convert toad and he couldnt' be plus they killed amiko or something. I just don't know if amiko really fits a 3rd there. So I'm wondering what is the third there? (Maybe were lucky and its only 2 but idk) On April 06 2014 08:44 Tehpoofter wrote: yeah vivax new invention each night but can't repeatedly item the same person. Thats how I understand it + the mod announcing. Its odd that he gave the item to kush though. On April 07 2014 04:02 Tehpoofter wrote: ##Vote: Kushm4sta Its time to pick a side and kush's role seems too good to be town. | ||
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Earlier hopeless said he really only saw one post from kush to tehpoofter (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=135#2682) . I think that’s pretty fair. Kush doesn’t have much interaction with tehpoofter. He does say one post by poofter makes no sense which is actually pretty understandable and sensible (calling on people to give reads). Where kush does comment on tehpoofter, he lists him as a potential scum, usually a third choice. Really, I didn’t feel there was much to say or conclude from kush’s comments on tehpoofter. Like the other set, yeah, kush says some things that look scummy in retrospect, but I don’t feel like their interactions are ever deep enough to say much. I guess given kush’s dismissal of tehpoofter, maybe we should expect poofter to see kush as scummy. That does bear out (having read tehpoofter’s comments on kush earlier), though poofter typically saw kita as scummier than kush. Quote Copies + Show Spoiler + On April 01 2014 21:47 kushm4sta wrote: that vote was a relic from early d1. I didn't even remember about it until poofter just said something. On April 04 2014 07:19 kushm4sta wrote: austinmcc - hella town kitaman27 - hella town Hopeless1der - probably town thrawn2112 - possible scum JarJarDrinks -possible scum Vivax - probably town Djodref - possible scum Amiko - possible scum Tehpoofter - possible scum On April 05 2014 18:23 kushm4sta wrote: ok so i just read kita. d1 is really townie but then his activity falls off a lot. I wasn't really thinking about scum that could have been converted but yeah both kita and tehpoof look like possible conversions. I'm checking kita. On April 06 2014 03:12 kushm4sta wrote: sorry.amiko +thrawn + tehpoofter recruited | ||
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It's possible there was no conversion last night. Even if there was, there was at least one scum beforehand. So, my preference is between tehpoofter, hopeless, and thrawn for the lynch. After reading hopeless, I felt he could be scum, but less chance than kita. After reading poofter I feel he was pretty towny, though I haven't done kita<->poofter yet. I haven't reread thrawn again yet... maybe I wrote this before but I feel like I didn't come away with too much when I did it before, maybe I will now that kita and kush flipped scum though. Thrawn you felt hopeless would be a better lynch than poofter, correct? Is it that you feel poofter is town? Or that you feel hopeless is scum? What's your thinking when you compare the two? | ||
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If original scum is likely between you and thrawn, is there anything specific in thrawn's filter that you feel most suggests that thrawn being scum? @Thrawn I think that post is alright, but actually I thought this one was a better sign you were not original scum: On April 02 2014 11:29 thrawn2112 wrote: why aren't you firing it at kita? during the night you said you were treating him as "confirmed scum" Your filter is a little harder to read because you don't quote as much. :[ | ||
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Initially, questions kita and kush on kita’s read of thrawn. Reads kita as town d1. Read moves toward seeing kita as potential scum; I think this happens around the rayn flip, I’m not exactly sure? Poofter spent a little time talking about kita’s potential scumslip; basically suggesting that kita knew JJD/poofter were town. It could be a complicated bus attempt but I think that’s a more complex and less believable explanation. Thoughts As I mentioned when discussing poofter & kush, I think poofter discusses kush & kita as a potential mafia team with some regularity. He also pushes on kita as a potential lynch as an alternative to lynching among the blue claims. I am not sure he got much traction, but it does feel somewhat consistent. If I were going to make a case for poofter as scum, I think the best post is this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=114#2263 In this post, tehpoofter seems to trust that kush has received a town check kita. Given that he has been contemplating a kush/kita team for a while, I feel tehpoofter’s reaction should be that he doubts about the veracity of the check, not that he is surprised kita is green. The above post did raise an eyebrow… but I feel like when I balance my feelings on poofter against hopeless, I’m still more likely to lynch hopeless. (poofter remember that I said that if you are deciding who to convert :3) Collected Posts + Show Spoiler + On March 30 2014 12:22 Tehpoofter wrote: @kita Is this a meta you expect Thrawn should know? On March 30 2014 12:31 Tehpoofter wrote: @kush since you seem to be here and I'm impatient. Does kita start off all games with a random vote? and should Thrawn have known this? On March 30 2014 12:37 Tehpoofter wrote: I was curious cause you transitioned that early game reaction into a read on him maybe its relevant maybe it isn't. How do you feel that he threw his vote on Slam without even mentioning it in this thread? On March 30 2014 12:42 Tehpoofter wrote: You brought up the point that its something you do every game why bring it up if it didn't matter? I have a hard time imagining that something that small would be a scummy or townie thing either way leaning super neutral to me I was just wondering if it was a meta thing I don't know. On March 30 2014 12:48 Tehpoofter wrote: Oh roger, I actually think it could be something scummy. It definitely isn't townie. IF one was to give out points for things I feel like voting someone without providing a reason especially in a thread where your vote is done in a different place (I'd have never known if I didn't have the thread in another tab open.) is a scummy thing to do. If you think someone is worth voting at least give a reason. On March 30 2014 15:09 Tehpoofter wrote: @rayn what post this game brought up this thought train on kita? The RVS thing? or just a meta ideA? On March 31 2014 03:30 Tehpoofter wrote: He is scum hunting and I think he found on kita. I'm on rayn's wagon to kill rayn. On March 31 2014 03:44 Tehpoofter wrote: This is my exact argument on why we should avoid lynching the like auto lynch that is Slam. If mafia grows in numbers at night or something this is our BEST chance of taking down their numbers. Rayn I have seen you own as town if you're town do that this game but we really need to hit today because of what kita posted... Kita I like you as town. On March 31 2014 06:35 Tehpoofter wrote: I think kita's theory is probably pretty damn accurate if alignment conversions are possible mafia having one would lead to them starting with that many I believe. So thrawn you reading everyone as town? I think you said you believed slam's claim do you think hes likely to be the only 3rd party and if not anyone giving you just an anti-town maybe not mafia vybe? On April 01 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote: Slam is useless but I don't think hes scum. Gumshoe did nothing its a coast bump that. On April 01 2014 07:48 Tehpoofter wrote: I asked questions to probe for other scum reads but to be honest nothing was really happening aside from Slam posting a whole bunch of shit from another game it seemed. I hadn't seen any other scummy things from people at the time I was in a place that I had a weak scum read and I didn't really have anything else to go on or pressure with who was around at the time. The kita case happened and I had the vivax read that really only mattered if rayn flipped town. I believed the claim and still wanted to hit scum over Slam so yeah I didn't do a good job basically. I'm trying to turn it around atm  On April 01 2014 11:48 Tehpoofter wrote: I just looked at the vote count thing thats interesting. I am putting on my noob pants for this one are there roles that have vote changing or adding mechanics as both alignments? Or is it more indicative of one or the other? Also thrawn yeah lets put pressure on that Vivax scummy guy. I am not as sure on kita cause he didn't seem to listen to rayn so hes not in my town circle with me you and austin. Also Slam is going to be in the circle too even though hes 3rd party he can work with us for now. What do you think about JJD? He has a small filter its easy to read so check it out. On April 01 2014 11:03 thrawn2112 wrote: This message isn’t from thrawn. If you are actually reading this you are probably town. Put a message including something like “waffle” or “staircase” something in the thread if you see this. Obviously it won’t confirm you, I’ll probably still lynch who seems scummiest, but maybe knowing you were being attentive to this post will make me feel more trusting of whoever is reading it. -Amiko On April 01 2014 18:08 Tehpoofter wrote: Town: Thrawn - He seems to be actually taken a back by the fact that he is only finding town, scum needs mislynches so if hes scum hes playing against his win con. Austin - I think his case and the way he fought it was townie. He also had the same line of thinking as me that we shouldn't just lynch SLAM and should try to find real scum sadly he didn't find any scum but neither did I For scum: I want to look at vivax, kita, kush and JJD the most. I don't think they are all four scum but I think there is definitely a scum in there. Vivax for the reason that he tried to bury rayn and then voted slam... like he buries a town and gets off the wagon good lay low scum play imo. Kita: He puhsed on rayn and didn't really seem to listen to his responses during his push if you will note the difference between him and me pushing our cases on rayn I was not really sure and uncertain about if he was scum and austin pointed it out on my case I feel like being sure is more scummy than townie cause I'm trying to figure it out and kita in this case would just need a ML also I pointed out earlier my theory on the vote count thing possibly being from him. Kush: He is here because my town read thrawn wants to know whats up with you. JJD: He says that kita scum slipped calling me and him town maybe he did and kita is scum but it counts against JJD here because I'm in no way confirmed so how does he know I'm town? I mean maybe he read me as town but I didn't see that in his read... I'm going to read his filter after this and see if I missed him calling me town before that but I don't recall it. I ranked my scum and town in order of strongest to weakest. On April 01 2014 18:16 Tehpoofter wrote: So JJD I'm curious did you think I was town before kita made his "scum slip"? I'm confused by your wording. On April 01 2014 18:20 Tehpoofter wrote: Thrawn this is the scumslip that JJD is thinking he found. Basically kita saying he knows me and JJD are both town is the assumption for JJD's claim. On April 02 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote: agreed. Austin you still in the vivax is town camp? What do you think about my theory that the scum is between those who pushed on rayn but voted slam? <<<These same question to thrawn/JJD/Kita On April 03 2014 20:14 Tehpoofter wrote: Anyways I'm out for the night. I will get up early to be around pre deadline. I'm okay with any of those on my scum list for lynches, preference to vivax. Also @ austin the post you quoted with 4 I still am hardest on vivax, kush is clear I think cause his role with the extra vote and day shot would be insane op for Mafia, Kita I will get up and read on d2 actions and see if he makes the pile but just the brief thread read through nothign stood out. JJD has a nuke and I like what he was doing pressuring hopeless with the fake claim thing it seemed like a really brazen thing to do and not something you'd really want to do as mafia and I think hopeless acted poorly on it. I know I haven't been around but I feel confident on this vivax lynch read my case, maybe kush will come out with a big case like he said in one of his posts but I don't like his posting patterns. night On April 04 2014 04:41 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm about to head to work but wanted to post from my iPad that I agree with Austin's point and toad shouldn't get a bullet but a check or other things. I also am concerned if a Kita hopeless team. Kita has two days now put cases on someone I started to pressure at the start of the day towards the end and vivax giving me the same feeling as rayn yesterday. Off to work I might be switching to Kita/hopeless. On April 04 2014 05:41 Tehpoofter wrote: bah this role claim stuff would happen while I'm commuting and starting work.... @DJO why do you think djo's role is maf sided? ##unvote ##vote kitaman I'm not convinced any of the roles have to be blue even toads but if town lynches a third straight blue we're pretty much SoL. On April 04 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote: So we have like 5 blue roles JJD, Vivax, Hopeless, Kush, Toad supposedly + 2 dead. Like if town really has this much help what on earth does scum have? Thats the best question. I'm uncomfortable lynching into blues thats why I'm on kita cause hes the scummiest of the none blues to me maybe DJO too but he seems to be really wanting to insure we don't mess up. On April 04 2014 08:02 Tehpoofter wrote: So first off I'm looking at what we know so far no NK n1 3P survivor, shrink, doctor, Toad's role. We also have other claims at being blue Watcher from hopeless, Kush says hes day vig plus double vote (you didnt use your power today I'm assuming based on the vote counts), Vivax, JJD some types of visiting roles. Also There is someone who gave a nuke to JJD as he said he didn't make it. So we're looking at assuming all roles are blue, 7 blue town power roles and a 3P survivor that seems insanely high to me unless mafia has some big role maybe kill + conversion and I would think points to there being 2+ on the first day or it doesn't seem very balanced. I'll say it now but I think one of the blue roles is most likely mafia, or at the least 3P. Now maybe thats not the case but that only leaves Me, Austin, Kita, DJO, Amiko Thrawn (I believe) and for me I think kita/Djo would be the only possible scum team there I mean Amiko maybe cause of Austin's case I could maybe see him being that constructed but it still reads town so doesn't ping as super scummy to me. So my list of reads atm: Town Hero: Tehpoofter Town: Thrawn Austin Blues: (I think one is scum hopeless claim is the most townie cause it seems silly for scum to claim when they did.) Kush reaction was good to gum even though he shot the medic I'd have done the same as town although his role does seem really strong. Vivax probably the most scummy claim wise cause he was reluctant to give up his visit. But I was going to move my vote off him based on play so I still give him town points. JJD Seemed to try to get hopeless on that whole fakeclaim thing thats the 3rd occurance of him really pushing a scum read on something slip like to me it pings scummy because of my background as I highlighted in a previous post but it may be different on the forums. Kush Vivax Hopeless JJD Neutral Pile: Amiko - Has seemed very town in his posts but austin's case against him makes me question how much of it is off the cuff and not preplanned... its easy to look town if you know whats going on. I don't fully believe this read and would love to have more interaction with Amiko but if all blue claims are real it has to be someone else so he goes to neutral as I'm stronger on thrawn/Austin atm being town. DJO - He hasn't really done much of note for me I was making this list and in my head thought "idk where I stand on DJO tbh" so its null for me and hes not a blue role claim so he stands at neutral. I will try to reread his filter but probably cant get around to it for 6-7 hours as I'm at work and want to catch up on other games as this one is night phase atm. Most likely Scum: Kita - I think he has pushed on two lynches rayn first then vivax if vivax is town this makes him look even scummier in my eyes. He pushed on both their lynches later in the day after I had already been pushing on both from the start of the day he also calls me null when if we're in the same mindset wouldn't he think me more town he doesn't even mention our similar pushes in his reads. Now for me I like that he pushed on those people but he has been around at both EoD when I've been hesitant and reconsidered both my reads and he didn't with rayn or vivax just left his vote where it is. So to me it seems like someone scummy hoping on an established wagon to push someone into a lynch and not reconsidering at EoD. On April 04 2014 21:00 Tehpoofter wrote: btw I'm totally getting this weird feeling that rayn is in obv chat right now going "WHY IS KITA STILL ALIVE!!!!" I think I might have to channel my inner rayn tomorrow and go ham on kita I don't like that he was around at deadline and the only thing hes said all night is the quote about how JJD is Rose. Kita care to share your reads as of now? If I make a case on you at the start of the day you going to make a bigger case on yourself come end day  On April 05 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote: Going to lunch I'll be back in an hour I really want to make a map of all the claims and see if anything seems odd. Kush and Kita really should full role claim. I have a theory that would be interesting in that Since there is so many blue powers when someone gets converted they get a 1 shot nuke... like kush did yesterday and amiko got today. Just something I was thinking about cause how crap this setup is kidna imbalanced for town otherwise assuming role claims are true. Like what kind of town role gets randomly turned into a day vigi? Anyways off to lunch? On April 05 2014 11:14 Tehpoofter wrote: Any reason you wouldn't want to check me? I believe I'm the other VT since amiko claimed his role was changed at the start of day. I would prefer Kita or Thrawn either way. I'd still like to see what kita's role does. So I have been really busy at work and I'd like to sit down and figure out who did what to who and what nights so we can kinda get a time line of events. The whole Hopeless thing when he was talking about his return for tonight read really weird to me that at first Austin did go to kita then didn't. I am kinda regretting whoever brought up that people should all ask for fake role claims from the host because it seems that some have to be fake I mean there is so many roles and I'm VT how was mafia suppose to win with like 7 PR and a medic save and inventions and a cop and a roleblock and an untargetable? I mean you have to assume someone has been converted. So the roleclaim is nice but idk with conversions some of these could be mafia now (at least 2 our if there is 1 conversion a night unless they tried to use it on Slam/Toad. I think one thing to look at is N1 so if we think they saved KP then there is not much to do but if we think they tried to kill and couldn't because of Toad or a save on amiko then it might be good to review people who push on those targets because if I was mafia and saw my NK didn't die I would immediately try to push on them and see if others changed their reads on them overnight (indicating a save) I am at work and honestly not sure I have time to look through but could be a decent route to take. I'll address the questions about my kita read in the next post. On April 05 2014 11:54 Tehpoofter wrote: As for kita I had him on my scum list on N1 and the start of day 1 I did list others as more suspicious but once claims started happening I decided lynching into any blues when we had already lost 2 (shrink/medic) wouldn't be good for town so I went on my top scumread outside the claims which was kita. I'd be interested in theories on the night kills we had 0 then 2. I know the "lovers" role is common on epic mafia I'm not sure how it plays in here but thats one option for the 2 kills. I thought I read something in one of the flavor bits that might have pointed to it but I need to reread closer. I'm glad more people gave reads last night than the night before hopefully we can keep an eye on that and see who goes shifting around. On April 05 2014 12:44 Tehpoofter wrote: @thrawn yeah well my preferred check is kita the only reason I'd say to check you is to reaffirm my read. I still think you're town the way you post about how my post counts dropped cause it most definitely did I don't like making excuses but I am in 2 other games currently and its stretching me thin. I didn't think I would be in all three simultaneously but thats not an excuse. I did still try to hunt scum that day(day2) and brought up a large case on vivax and had him voted up until his claim. I find it hard for you to suggest I was converted if I was who did my read change on? I think I was pretty clear N1 on my reads I can go back and quote the post if you'd like. For the official record I don't currently suspect thrawn and kita is my main suspect I find it odd he withheld information on his role maybe he has a good reason but idk everyone is at least seemingly being transparent. As to the delay on my responses thrawn I'm working trying to post as I can I was off work day 1 so naturally my responses are faster within the half hour I'm off work again this evening and can talk more fluidly. . On April 05 2014 12:56 Tehpoofter wrote: Kita is mafia. JJD had a role that could do something to others kita as mafia would know that its not a medic/shrink/inventor since JJD had the nuke yesterday. Austin lived through the night so unlikely to be vigi my next thought would be cop. JJD was going saying adamantly against kita if I recall correctly. So that was my first thought that Kita didn't want a cop claim with a red on him thus The reason I bring up the lover's thing is cause DJO was a random kill idk why he was targeted. On April 06 2014 04:25 Tehpoofter wrote: At amiko I don't read the lore as I really haven't seen dr who. Also don't shoot me. This game doesn't make sense. I'm honestly surprised Kita is green. One of our claimed roles is mafia because it can't be just thrown. Maybe multiple roles. What are pEoples theOrieS if I'm town (I know I am but let's venture there)? I like Austin as town I feel like role teams would be vivax/hope or Kush/Kita because they confirm each other but if it's just one fake role it's amiko (I believe he has a shot though) Someone explain how my reads make sense for someone converted and by whom. I was advocating n1 reads and did my own same with n2 I have been very open. So idk why people think I'm converted minus activity drop. I gotta head to work ill post from there. I wasn't converted and am still lame ass vt. Content is down cause I'm in three games. This being the most progressed and least amount of posts. On April 06 2014 06:27 Tehpoofter wrote: @austin I understand your scum case on kush. Where I'm at right now is that there are 2 blue claims verified by each other. Vivax/Hopeless. and Kush/Kita. I have to assume one of them is fake and then maybe + thrawn or amiko? I believe austin's in the most town unless he was converted by Vivax the night JJD and vivax visited and JJD got the check for what he started the night as. But if thats the case I feel like Austin would push on me or thrawn for an easier ML rather than go on kush/kita. I feel like a night shot from amiko would be best because we have more info and if we lynch into the wrong "half" of things he could correct us. This obviously doesn't work if hes scum but if thats the case we probably already lost tbh. On April 06 2014 08:24 Tehpoofter wrote: @austin/others around. So if Kita/kush are mafia how likely is it that its just 2? I mean someone is on the bus train hard or its just them. Maybe amiko is the 3rd the way hes talking but idk... If its kita/kush/amiko then i think it was kita alone then kush then amiko conversion wise. But maybe the n1 stuff could have been an attempt to convert toad and he couldnt' be plus they killed amiko or something. I just don't know if amiko really fits a 3rd there. So I'm wondering what is the third there? (Maybe were lucky and its only 2 but idk) On April 07 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote: I have been saying I wasn't sure for awhile its one of kush/kita or vivax/hopeless. ITs one or the other from my POV | ||
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Basically it should say: As the game progresses continues to present see kush/kita as a potential scumteam. He does make some comments that makes me interested on his take on picking between thrawn & Hopeless, however. | ||
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But, I just feel I am unlikely to vote poofter today (despite his idleness), and Austin sounds more convinced that I am. So I feel like if there's a case you can make on thrawn that'd be most likely to go somewhere helpful. I haven't given thrawn as thorough a readthrough as I'd like so you may find some things I haven't given much attention to yet. | ||
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I think hopeless raises three points- re: poofter In the first colored paragraph he quotes, you are saying that you didn’t really get a town read from poofter (there were just traces). In the second (uncolored) paragraph, you repeat a similar sentiment The next two paragraphs are saying that you had a townread on poofter from D1. In other words, I think hopeless’ case on this point is that you are inconsistent with regard to your reads on poofter – you said you saw him town from d1, but your posts reflect you were unsure. @thrawn2112: I don’t really know how significant that point is to me, but if you have a response or want to clarify, go for it. Delays in asking about Doublevote: I don’t feel this is worth talking about, sorry hopeless. I don’t know, I randomly think of things that happened days ago in the thread and ask about them. Conspiracy Theory: I think hopeless is saying thrawn shouldn’t question the use of the scumchecker because town (including him) pushed for checking kita. I don’t find this point compelling only because we can’t tell thrawn’s motives. If he was criticizing the check as a mistake that’d be one thing, but instead it feels like maybe he’s just trying to get information. I don’t know, so I am not putting too much weight into it. Austin I think Austin is playing a little weaker today but it isn’t something worth focusing on beyond this comment. Did you notice he has not #squawked at all since the day started? Anyway I put that in red but I'm mostly kidding... it just doesn't matter right now. We are looking for a scum who has been here since d1, and I don’t think that’s Austin, so if the game doesn’t end after this day phase, we can see what song he sings tomorrow. About tehpoofter- I dunno, I don’t feel that poofter was as towny as you both indicate on D1. But I guess it doesn’t matter to me as much because looking back at his posts with knowledge of kita/kush, he doesn’t look scummy now. @hopeless1der: What did you think of tehpoofter's day 1? @tehpoofter: I understand you may be sick, but I'd encourage you to try to weigh in when you can since you've been absent. At least make sure to vote since if you get modkilled it may make you/us lose. | ||
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I think it is a inconsistent because your later post says you immediately recognized him as town, but the earlier posts indicate some doubt. I'm not sure that it is a significant enough inconsistency that I think you are lying, though, and I do feel the post you put earlier is a fairly good sign you are not d1 scum. Re: hopeless I did find one thing that makes me hesitate on Hopeless- Kush, Kita, and Hopeless all voted for rayn d1. It feels like overplaying a little bit, and honestly I expected hopeless to raise that as a defensive point (so I could feel better about it since he wouldn't know if we would notice it on our own) :s Even so... I still feel hopeless is probably the best vote. I'll be in and out to discuss! ##Vote: Hopeless1der | ||
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On April 10 2014 01:00 austinmcc wrote: Amiko, when you say you weren't as townie on poof's D1 as everyone else, what do you mean? His D1 was the one I didn't like, it was his N1/D2 that pulled me around. Thrawn def. indicated (on this page even) that he read poofter as town d1. I thought you also read him as town d1? On April 09 2014 09:48 austinmcc wrote: I'd be sorta interested in the poofter stuff. Poofter looking scummier than hopeless but also poofter super townie on D1 but also you wanting poofter nuked during the night (and, by the way, wanting kita not-nuked) But glancing at filter I guess you said you weren't sure earlier. On March 31 2014 12:20 austinmcc wrote: Hey slam, I have the ability to make up an item every day and pretend to give it to someone. I will pretend to give you a made-up item if you will assist me. Today I have made up the Cerulean Rectangular Prism ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/TARDIS2.jpg/220px-TARDIS2.jpg) I will pretend to give you the Cerulean Rectangular Prism in exchange for you completing the following mission. All relevant information for your mission is contained in the following points: (1) I have read the thread. (2) I have summoned forth a mighty frowny face at the focus on slam's claim, mass claiming, and whatever rayn is doing or not doing. (3) Lo, I am not particularly townie on the filter of one tefpoofter. I believe it shows a lot of tiny questions that appear to have little followup or little reason to really be asked, they appear to be questions asked just so that questions could be asked. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to sally forth into The Hinterlands and report your findings to me. I don't think I have it in me to make a case on this contradiction right now austin >_< | ||
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