III Titanic Mini Mafia: MS Paint Edition - Page 15

On March 21 2014 00:38 Holyflare wrote:
Djod, hopeless, giggle, vivax mafia

On March 21 2014 00:40 Holyflare wrote:


You are now confirmed town in order to not ruin this game. Why are you complaining?

On March 21 2014 00:43 Holyflare wrote:


So you're saying i should continue tunneling because you aren't town? I don't see the issue here.

On March 21 2014 01:27 Koshi wrote:
So difficult to decide between HF and DP. I got a question for.dp.when I see him next time. DP help me remind.

On March 21 2014 01:18 Koshi wrote:
Pretty good post. I like giggles.

On March 21 2014 01:27 Giggletummy wrote:
HF is still mafia (Yes. Mafia. I don't vote for people and write cases on people that I don't think are mafia)

Besides the early stuff that nobody likes, some more specific items. Holyflare loves comparisons to past games, meta, catching people because they aren't playing like they did here or there or whatever. Read his filter here, read his filters elsewhere, he's a big big big fan of comparing games.

He uses that to slip in awful comparisons. One of the major things he was in my arse about early was really small mafia. For those who didn't play in or read really small mafia, there were seven players. In an instant lynch game. 2 mafia, 4 votes = dead on D1.

Flare is really concerned about me writing a case on him and voting him, despite being more hesitant there.I answered this, but want to push it a little harder. rayn may not want to be a teacher, but I'll stand at the blackboard and ask the class, "Class, why would someone be more hesitant about cases/votes in a 7 man instant lynch mini than in a larger non-instant game?"

Well garsh teacher, maybe because those two styles of games are entirely different. Maybe votes mean more in an instant lynch game, especially a tiny one. Maybe the comparison is quite flawed, because the differences are easily explained by setup differences.



Again associative, but HF also just slipped during this Vivax stuff. Not "no why does this mean anything", but a really specific post he made.

Look children, a mafia post!

(1) "How is it a slip when a town did the same thing in titanic 2"

read that. Read it read it read it. How is lying about timings scummy when one time a town did the same thing? HF knows better than this, 100%. Everyone does. Sometimes townies slip, lie, do dumb things, get lynched. But more often than not, when someone gets caught lying in a read, or lies about their reasoning, it's because they're mafia. You lynch most liars because most of the time, lying serves mafia more than town, they're more likely to lie, blah blah blah.

Mixed in with the rest of HF's response is this. How is lying about your reasoning behind something a mafia trait when here's this one instance of a townie doing the same. If we didn't lynch anyone for things that a single townie had done ever, we'd never lynch anyone.

This was an off-the-cuff post, not well thought out, and it shows that HF is trying to use terrible logic when things go awry today for mafia (if vivax mafia).

(2) "Not to mention 60 is 40 pages in"

This means nothing, and is just pure speculation about what someone meant by the number 40.

(3) "not to mention you are scum"

Followed an hour later by DP now being town.


Mafia are most likely to slip up when shenanigans happen or some giant bomb gets dropped in thread. HF slipped up here, not by just half-defending vivax, but by doing it entirely wrong. Here's a 100% empty post, with a bad comparison to a single past game (a townie can lie so don't lynch for lying when there's not a townie reason to lie), some nonsense about what 40 maybe means, and then (and no, this doesn't really matter, but for the sake of neatness I like that this whole post is invalid) a continued tunnel of DP that then gets reversed.

It's very, very likely that HF slipped up here. Which means it's very very likely that Vivax is actually mafia, even if the timing stuff weren't very very damning.

On March 21 2014 01:34 Giggletummy wrote:
Actually, screw the associative stuff with HF. Cuz he is actually mafia. If vivax is town, it's still all about timing and reactions. Something big happens in thread, and HF is the guy who responds incorrectly, not because he disagrees with people and doesn't see why the lying = scummy here, but because of the specific points he's bringing up that aren't applicable or are just poorly reasoned.

As scumHF townVivax, scumHF could still be surprised that all of a sudden thread is jumping on vivax, while HF knows vivax is town. So he does one of those scummy little half-defenses, because he's caught off guard and knows the guy is town.

On March 21 2014 01:43 Holyflare wrote:


Have you actually read the content? It confirms him as mafia :o

On March 21 2014 01:43 Hopeless1der wrote:

i thought page count didnt matter

On March 21 2014 01:44 Giggletummy wrote:
First red, vivax's alignment is actually irrelevant, realized that. What's important is your reaction, which was off, and also the fact that you're a lover of comparisons to past games, specific things, but your comparison here is just air. A townie did this thing once. Great. That says nothing, has no bearing on what someone else's alignment may be, and fails to mention that a whole lot of scum, more scum than townies, also have lied about things.

Second red, no. You and rayn are different players. It's both a thing specific to you because you make so many comparisons and are slipping in these bad ones as well, and also rayn is being townrayn. Lying to alakaslam in order to see how alakaslam reacts, and then quickly explaining the lie and why he did it and what he learned, is exactly townrayn. Him agreeing with your bad comparison, liking your bad comparison, makes him wrong. But his actions this game make him town overall. Yours don't.

On March 21 2014 11:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
If you honestly think that GT could get his candidate lynched over rayn's, I question your sanity DP.

On March 21 2014 01:47 Giggletummy wrote:
You have been reading the game and posting. Palmar has been reading the game and actually posting a lot for Palmar.

VE has not been reading the game in full. He specifically states he hasn't read my filter when voting for me. And he provides 0 specifics of what he likes or dislikes.

Plus the entire other bit that doesn't rely on Vivax's flip. Do you believe that all the scooby doo stuff was clear and that everyone followed along? Or do you think it actually did clog the thread and make a couple pages hard to read?

On March 21 2014 11:07 Hopeless1der wrote:

I never bothered trying to get HF lynched either...tbh i didnt do much of anything other than sheep. GT had to fend off a lynch. Short answer is No, not that odd to me.

On March 21 2014 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No Giggletummy is mafia. It's the way he presents his arguments. The final conclusions do not match up.
But that's for D2.

On March 21 2014 01:55 Holyflare wrote:


You just said "it doesn't really prove vivax's alignment" which means it's wifom which means that what o said isn't scummy by nature... Lol

On March 21 2014 02:08 Koshi wrote:
Giggletummy. Let is be known I will be disappointed in you when you flip scum.

On March 21 2014 03:18 Palmar wrote:

But that's kinda not the point. Vivax found time to do the following

a) read the thread well enough to have scumreads
b) write a long post about his absence

but not time to

c) explain his scumreads.

He could easily have done c) instead of b), but he didn't.

On March 21 2014 11:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi DarthPunk we lynched you and you flipped mafia how do you feel?

On March 21 2014 11:14 Holyflare wrote:
Dp how about you do a full read of the thread instead of doing these stints of catch up where you say things that people have already said but makes it look like you are contributing