Handslaps and Fisticuff: A PYP Mini [M][T]

All roles that may be chosen are in the spoilers below. Roles may have additional alterations based on whether they are picked by Town, Mafia or Third Party. Players who draft these roles may or may not be informed of these alterations after receiving these roles.

Roles may have additional alterations based on whether they are picked by Town, Mafia or Third Party. Players who draft these roles may or may not be informed of these alterations after receiving these roles.

Roles may have additional alterations based on whether they are picked by Town, Mafia or Third Party. Players who draft these roles may or may not be informed of these alterations after receiving these roles.

On March 05 2014 13:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's like fakeclaim and die. Shoot someone and die. Roleblock someone you are not supposed to and die.
If you are mafia DT then just rofl.

On March 05 2014 15:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trust me, this is really easy.

If assassin takes an unaccounted shot, day/night vigi shoots them because they claim mafia.
Same goes vice versa.

Every time we decide on a shot the roleblocker and jailer target each other so the shot is guaranteed to go through. If they don't, they claim mafia.

That way we control all the non-mafia factional KP in the game which is far better than leave it up for a chance that mafia picks KP-roles and we are fucked.

On March 05 2014 15:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Assassin kills someone. They die. We know the assassin killed them.

On March 06 2014 08:54 Hopeless1der wrote:

scum would need to be both the assassin and the dayvig for this to work, and then we can lynch them both...

On March 06 2014 06:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Because LSB didn't understand something and his conclusion to it was that Rayn was scum. When you don't understand something, do you instantly call the person scum for it? If I recall correctly LSB tends to be fairly cautious in the start, so for him to open with a scumread on something as light as that seems suspicious.

On March 06 2014 09:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
but we're supposed to know who has the dayvig and the assassin. If they are silent, tell them both to kill each other. Only one will succeed.

On March 06 2014 09:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
marv are austin's concerns about what I would essntially call bastard modding legit? I don't see his problems actually...being problems

On March 06 2014 09:32 marvellosity wrote:

If we know where KP roles are, that's a pretty massive step in working out what is going on in the game, that is for certain.

On March 06 2014 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'd expect 8-3-1 given PYPness is a bonus for town, not mafia. or 9-3.

This is a semi-open setup for 12 players. There will be either 9 Town and 3 scum or 9 Town, 2 Scum and 1 Third Party Survivor.

On March 06 2014 09:37 marvellosity wrote:
by the way, people need to stop talking in generalities. Like

"but if people don't cooperate" - say *which* people
"but if a trigger happy townie..." - which trigger happy townie?
"if town don't do this..." - who in town?

Enough players, and important ones, have lent support for organisation that if you're going to bring up specific problems, bring them up in relation to specific players.

On March 06 2014 09:37 marvellosity wrote:

Ah. Well I think 9-2-1 is ridiculously imbalanced so I am going to assume there is no survivor.

On March 06 2014 09:44 marvellosity wrote:
i just think it's very unlikely 9-2-1 would be chosen. i think it's there just to introduce uncertainty.

On March 06 2014 10:08 marvellosity wrote:
you're rarely right about anything, never mind everything, dear.

On March 06 2014 10:21 marvellosity wrote:
yes, you've made that point and obviously everything cannot be 100% regimented after all, can you do something cool like find some mafia now?

On March 06 2014 11:21 prplhz wrote:
i'm not familiar with this "bee's knees" expression please explain

On March 07 2014 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
hey. i'm thinking about having you lynched. how's that?

On March 07 2014 08:19 marvellosity wrote:

when have i ever tried to lynch you as mafia?

On March 06 2014 15:43 LSB wrote:

How does that confirm you as town?

This is a lose lose situation.

If you are town and things go south, you get lynch, worse things happen
If you are mafia and things go south, well you just pass a increadibly mafia favored plan so you guys are probably going to win anyways

On March 07 2014 08:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am fucking tired of discussing this with you two because you have no idea what you are talking about.

On March 06 2014 22:21 Xatalos wrote:


Lol.... Dunno how I could miss that post. Phoneposting sucks etc. Well, that's good then.



I picked 8 4 in the end. Seems like it wasn't such a good idea... There were less clashes than I thought.

I also sent in my role choice, but apparently this choice isn't permanent, so it's not like it matters too much.

A lot has happened while I was away. Mainly austin and gumshoe have come under new suspicion. Both resisted rayn's plan for bad reasons. Also LSB remains as a suspect. prphlz not so much anymore. I dunno about him, but at least he's pretty active in the discussion, so I'm not too fond of lynching him.

I'm not truly sold on gumshoe. His stance against rayn here reminds me of his stance against me in GoT Mafia (I was pretty clearly townie and putting in a lot of effort, but he kept opposing me for dumb reasons). Then he pretty much went AFK and was town KP'd. On the other hand, as scum (granted it was a long time ago) he was a lot more passive and unnoticeable. Does he do this thing where he baits a lynch on himself as scum nowadays?

austin... He's really focused on a pretty irrelevant topic (unlikely host speculation). I guess he does have a point, but it's not like all the roles will be greatly changed (maybe like DT, but probably not much else). I don't think it's that bad to talk about this topic in itself, but he hasn't really done anything else worthwhile. Most importantly he has done nothing to help with the D1 lynch and has just 100% focused on a pretty irrelevant branch of the PYP stuff. He's certainly null at best and slightly scummy at worst (for contributing in a way that's overall not helpful and even anti-town by distracting the discussion and undermining rayn's plan).

LSB has also mostly attacked rayn's plan, but at least he had some slight contributions to scumhunting (rayn+austin+Hopeless). Although he seems VERY fast to jump to conclusions (rayn Mafia for shaky reasons, austin Mafia for one post (?), Hopeless Mafia for sheeping...). His crusade against rayn is also very tunnely and doesn't seem genuinely concerned about the best direction for town. It's more like he just wants to attack it for the sake of attacking it, not to determine if it's truly useful or not. His play is just pretty scummy and even at best it's just null.

Hopeless seems to have dropped from the discussion entirely. He's an extreme sheep but I don't really think he's Mafia for it. More like just lazy/insecure. We'll see if he'll push anything of his own.

I'm starting to feel pretty scum on yamato. True, he didn't pick 1 1 at the start, but even more worryingly he's become very antagonistic and useless. It's kinda like here (as scum): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/423047-got-mafia-lords-and-liars?user=yamato77 On the other hand, as town, he usually feels quite townish (see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/438132-tl-mafia-lxiv-a-game-of-intrigue?user=yamato77 - although it was a PM game so part of his contributions were in PM land).

My preferred lynches would be yamato/LSB/austin atm. gumshoe doesn't really fit in my lynch candidates unless I'm convinced that this is scum gumshoe playing like this (against my experiences with him).

Also someone pointed out that there isn't necessary a Survivor in this setup. And that seems to be the case currently, I guess.

On March 07 2014 08:48 Xatalos wrote:
Well basically you had a slight point about there being changes to the roles based on if the receiver is town/Mafia. It's certainly possible and worth some thought. But it's not a reason to shut down the plan and certainly not worth spending a ton of time on when clearly it's just unlikely that this branch of thought would have any major impact.

On March 07 2014 09:00 Xatalos wrote:
Well, the bad reason is just that, that the host could change the roles after they're given out. Certainly there could be some slight changes, for example to DT (since otherwise it would be useless for Mafia), but that's just a bad reason to undermine the plan. But if you don't think I'm scum then why are you focusing so much on me?

All roles that may be chosen are in the spoilers below. Roles may have additional alterations based on whether they are picked by Town, Mafia or Third Party. Players who draft these roles may or may not be informed of these alterations after receiving these roles.

On March 07 2014 09:09 marvellosity wrote:
where's this going, austin?

On March 07 2014 10:12 marvellosity wrote:
I don't even understand why you're asking that.

austin what's happening bro?

On March 07 2014 10:37 marvellosity wrote:
basically you're just totally abdicating any responsibility for the lynch and bitching about it.

that stinks.

On March 07 2014 10:38 Xatalos wrote:
I'm not really sure how LSB ignoring you makes him totally town.

On March 07 2014 10:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Austin, could you reply to my first post of the page?

On March 07 2014 10:48 Xatalos wrote:


Hm. That's a small piece of evidence that could have a point, but it's nowhere enough to townread LSB. Also it's not necessarily the only goal to mess with the plan - equally important could be to create fake contributions to appear like he's doing stuff.

More importantly which players would you want to lynch?

On March 10 2014 09:40 marvellosity wrote:

austin isn't really a lurky scumplayer tbf.

town just too good

palmar didn't even have to play