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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 05:06 GMT
#1173
On February 27 2014 14:05 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 13:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 27 2014 13:45 Mocsta wrote:
Wave

Do u find it odd that geript is much more assertive when describing why I could be town vs vivax?

I find it annoying that geript is playing like ass for fun right now.
He's probably town but it makes me want to policy him.

Gratz, you're back on my lynch list.

Y r u playing like this dude....
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 06:13 GMT
#1204
On February 27 2014 15:03 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 14:58 suki wrote:
On February 27 2014 14:55 geript wrote:
That's a really bad town read


And so? What's your point?

Like it's super scummy but you have a freebie pass... You should be thanking me.

One thing I can't reconcile with u is the constant reenforcement that newbies get a pass..

Scum team is based on list position not host wifom

And why did u not comment that I am surprised u haven't said I'm town for moclogic.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 06:28 GMT
#1206
1 day has expired
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 07:51 GMT
#1219
Firstly u also pulled this on town dp culminating in both of you being mod killed.

Appealing to past performances is not a viable means of persuasion regarding this game.

As for toad. I haven't noticed anything particular that is specific to a scum mindset.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 07:52 GMT
#1220
Hmmm maybe rayn is town

That was way too in sync

De ja vu
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 08:38 GMT
#1231
Interested sting observation

Can u pls confirm that toad is referring to the mysterious meta via post you made??
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 08:54 GMT
#1234
Who ah.....

If its a good catch, how is it null?

The direct implication of a goof catch is that its meaningful....
Co side ring this is your primary scumspect, I find the response weird
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 13:09 GMT
#1251
On February 27 2014 22:03 Vivax wrote:
Ange7, can you tell me what you think of Mocsta's early aggression on suki in the early game banter around page 14?

Like, he calls her for scum for overly wording a joke claim. On the other hand he's the first to call somebody out as scummy if I'm not mistaken.

For someone that tried to come acros as Mr.Analytical in GSL, you are applying much hyperbole this game.

I said specifically:
Suki was teh scummiest player in the game *SO FAR*.
Half the game had not posted.
Its called pressure.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 13:10 GMT
#1252
On February 24 2014 14:10 Mocsta wrote:
/in

Early wifom

Request town pls

Rayn you are an idiot and im sick of hearing you bitch about it.

My first post in the game... not once have I insinuated I am town because of this. Drop it.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 13:13 GMT
#1254
On February 27 2014 21:10 Vivax wrote:
Rayn tell me more about this moconfirmation stuff. It seems like horseshit to me. Also, I'm disappointed.

Mocsta, you had a chyz, rayn and HF scumread back in ur list post. Now it's all Chyz and me when the votes seem to swing in my direction, one of them being one of your feel scumreads (fuck those feelreads).

Post reasoning for me being scum.

See Wave case.

Are you going to say its scummy to sheep something solid? trololololol

Chyz was my primary scum read from before i made that list post.
I dont get what ya problem is, I wrote the names in the order of the player list, since I copy/pasted.. .its not rocket science.

You are looking for extremely cheap reasons to validate your contributions
+ Waves case as above -- which I noted you did not address/acknowledge
Personally i find town often do not address cases but O* always acknowledge them.

##Unvote
##Vote: Vivax
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 13:15 GMT
#1256
On February 27 2014 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you do like marvesque catch up where you quote and comment on posts when you catch up?
Like just a small comment like "i like this post", or "i disagree because [insert small reasoning]", or "this is scummy"?
It would be valuable to know where you stand at each point of your catch up as by that way you are "reading the thread like everyone else is". No need to ask anything but just to comment on, to let people know where you stood at each point of the game and what your thoughts were at that time.

If it does not suit your style then ignore this proposition.

Not that you care, but i like this post a lot from you.

On the surface, the request is obviously a pro-town move any alignment can make.

But the way you went about it, giving lots of detail and seem genuinely keen to hear feedback on an unknown seems very town-esque to me.

I think a scum way of saying this would be:
Can you do like marvesque catch up where you quote and comment on posts when you catch up?
No need to ask anything but just to comment on, to let people know where you stood at each point of the game and what your thoughts were at that time.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 13:17 GMT
#1257
On February 27 2014 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 22:10 Mocsta wrote:
On February 24 2014 14:10 Mocsta wrote:
/in

Early wifom

Request town pls

Rayn you are an idiot and im sick of hearing you bitch about it.

My first post in the game... not once have I insinuated I am town because of this. Drop it.

I don't care man. Your post was a dick move. You know exactly how i deal with it regardless of what i say.
so either be town or be a dick.

I noted in BttB you held this position with me; that I should *know* how you respond to things.

I clearly don't know.

you take issue with a lot of things i don't expect you then, and don't do the things I do expect of you.
e.g. I really expected you to try and connect with me early game.

Maybe im too used to playing with Thrawn recently.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 13:30 GMT
#1262
On February 27 2014 22:20 Vivax wrote:
If his meta wasn't so different from GSL I'd be still thinking that gum is scum.

The post where he comes in to "moderate" between you and suki just feels super wrong.

Also Moc you're pretty prickly for a normal question, but let me go into detail.
Everyone was bantering, fake miller claims, harry potter. Off the bat townreads, you and geript were the most serious guys during that phase, geript for Toad's townread, you for suki's posting.
Why is this being pointed as a note of relevance?
Are you suggesting town can not be serious early game?

Anyway, you commented on WoS post reading suki as town cause feels saying

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote:
February 26 2014 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I coached Cavalinho in the last (ongoing) newbie game so no explanations yet.

Cool beans, alright.
Suki town 'cause feels. The rest of you, why aren't you as good at proving yourselves as her?

Don't make me log onto a comp wave

I was hoping we. Would both be town... Sigh

Now before i go off the rails. Is the above truth or sarcasm?


WoS says it's not sarcasm, ie town read serious.

Next post you somehow manage to get the illusion that you are wave's scumread

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:05 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn

Do u thibk its plausible for a town wave to infer I am a scum read already?


How do you explain that? I think it's telling that at such a stage you are already so much into lynch politics, going as far as to imagine people scumreading you when they didn't say anything. But maybe you can explain where you got that illusion.

Going on with the fullgame reread in the meantime.
[/B]
I love the colourful language "illusion"
Nice loaded question, Vivax
Wave made a post prior calling out a scumslip from a previous game, and applying it to me.
Maybe it was in jest, maybe it wasnt.
I was trying to get Rayn involved in the game, and asked his opinion.

Its funny how you are trying to justify by position by querying anything that sticks out to you as pounce-able. An extremely scum mindset approach to the game indeed.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 13:31 GMT
#1263
ninja'd me wave. indeed you did.
Much like my question to Geript (about you), I used that post towards Rayn.
Frankly, I was suspect of you at that time (for defending Suki), so the question was a win-win for me.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 13:36 GMT
#1266
On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?


What I don't like about this post is that he can't simply say what he thinks about suki, but feels like has to put a Mocsta townread in front of it.

That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1.

Explanation: Gumshoe feels that he can't attack suki without supporting Moc cause he thinks that he would look like his lacking suspicion of Mocsta was unjustified. Like, in a hypothetical town vs town argument as scum you would think that you can't attack one townie without clearing the other.

Moreover you can see that the part about Mocsta could be construed (in best-case scenario, ie gum town) as a justification for sheeping him ("but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit"), but gumshoe doesn't exactly use Mocsta's arguments (tryhard looking posts, "why-not-vote-for-me-question") and brings his own, which strengthens the overjustification version of events.

The last bit with the nostalgia is either overanalyzing (if town) or making stuff up (if scum), so I think it should be disregarded entirely for now (@ geript).

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

Nitpicking from this case is strictly forbidden, either you address all points and give a conclusive opinion or your remarks will be ignored.
Vivax,

what is the meaning of @geript?

Is it related to:
On February 26 2014 14:13 Vivax wrote:
I'm impressed by the high post count just within 5 hours, currently just skimmed to see if geript has posted his townie seal. He hasn't. He's scum. Now back to reading.

i.e. you are recanting the scum read?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 13:38 GMT
#1268
On February 27 2014 22:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 22:31 Mocsta wrote:
ninja'd me wave. indeed you did.
Much like my question to Geript (about you), I used that post towards Rayn.
Frankly, I was suspect of you at that time (for defending Suki), so the question was a win-win for me.

Except I seem to also remember you simply backing down, saying:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 10:51 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta i don't see where Wave implies you are mafia.

This is correct, my bad.


Why no mention of the 'implied' scum in that post earlier? Surely you could have said it was because of that post? (It was jest in the end I suppose, btw.)

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 22:29 Vivax wrote:
Rayn put your vote off of me, you're better than that.

On February 26 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:37 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:
On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game?

If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.

Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest


Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons.
Did u read a thing he wrote?

On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
[quote]Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.

Something JJD said reminded me of something:
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.

If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?

In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.
I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy.
So...

in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.

Congratz JJD.


Scum slip?
Are you now copying your early case on DP from vengeful?


You criticise Wave for saying some silly nonsense and saying if you're town why do that because it doesn't solve gumshoe's alignment or anything. Yet, same page of filter here you are saying nonsense to JJD who is bringing up points on other players. By your own reasoning townies shouldn't do that so why the change of heart so soon? Or are you sticking to what you said? "TOWN" don't do that!

Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily come from scum, you know that. I do want to hear Mocsta's response though.

##Vote: gumshoe


This vote doesn't make any sense, unless WoS explains exactly what made him suspicious of gumshoe at the time, cause the explanation is lacking in his filter. He only says gum should deliver a not meta explanation.

Explanation: thought he looked scummy, voted him.


Yeah, i thought there was more posts than just that one.
When i went looking for it and saw it, i realised it could have been in jest.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 13:39 GMT
#1269
On February 27 2014 22:34 Vivax wrote:
So you thought Wave scumread you cause of ?

Way to make the game confusing.
[/B]
no

</b>

In PYP, i posted twice where i bolded using <b>

Rayn called me out for it, but somehow it got dropped lol

Ahh, the funsies
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 13:43 GMT
#1273
On February 26 2014 17:19 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta
Show nested quote +

Vivax

Does this mean you think I am town?


Not yet, but it's the scenario where a scum gumshoe is most likely to act that way imo. There's always the chance that suki is also scum (and gum picks your side and throws some soft suspicion onto suki to gain cred). I don't think that a scum gumshoe would act that way if you were scum though.
*snip*
I find this post curious.
I asked my question in the first place because:

On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote:
<About Gumshoe>
That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1.


The entire premise of Vivax argument is based on Suki + Mocsta = town.
Yet when queried about me being town I get "Not yet" with some nice doors opening to move onto Suki too.
Which again conquers his gumshoe is scum argument.

WoS, i cant remember ya case; did you touch on this stuff?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 13:56 GMT
#1278
On February 27 2014 02:53 Vivax wrote:
Jeez why couldn't I roll scum in this game. You guys are all so busy with fighting each other in such an unproductive way, and nobody called me out for not doing anything since I posted those points on gumshoe

Oh well back to lurking.

I remember WoS touched on this. But I want to reemphasise how significant this post is towards a scum mindset.

(1)
Jeez why couldn't I roll scum in this game.

Starts by belittling all the players as this infers everyone is playing terrible that scum can win ezpz
(Town often do this when trying to shit on a specific player -- which is not what happened here)

(2)
You guys are all so busy with fighting each other in such an unproductive way

Then identifies the issue with existing town atmosphere

(3)
and nobody called me out for not doing anything since I posted those points on gumshoe
If the gumshoe read is solid, why would you call him out for noncontributing?
This demonstrates a clear lack of conviction towards gumshoe.
Further, point (2) suggests it would have been productive if town was questioning Vivax (and not his read Gumshoe).
I can not correlate this mindset with that of a townie in any way, shape or form.

(4)
Oh well back to lurking.

Hes admitting that unless called out, he has nothing he wants to input on.
So why make this place in the first place... its basically a "I'm still alive guys" post. Nothing more, nothing less.


Then you have the stuff that is missing:
i.e.
Gives zero direction on how to improve the situation
Gives zero effort to campaign gumshoe further
Gives zero deduction on whether the players fighting each other are town-town; town-scum; scum-scum

Again, I can not correlate this mindset with that of a townie in any way, shape or form.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 27 2014 14:02 GMT
#1284
So you are playing host wifom Toad....

If you are planning to vote for me for such a petty reasoning; at least have the decency to parse through my filter with your confirmation biased mindset and tell me why I am playing against my role PM.
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