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On February 20 2014 09:28 suki wrote:
so by 'anything else', you mean you agree that what prplhz is saying is pressurable? That is, trying to implement a plan that allows people to effectively unvote is scummy?
i dont necessarily think what he's pressuring on is going to lead anywhere but it is better than GENERIC talk since he thinks somebody is scummy for what they are saying...
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Exactly palmar. Votes are useless without reasoning.
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i need to go do something for a few hrs so bbl
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On February 20 2014 08:42 CuteFluffyPuppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 08:40 prplhz wrote:On February 20 2014 08:36 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 08:33 prplhz wrote:
claiming Vanilli Townie What's the benefit of claiming green? I've seen it in a lot of old games and i've always been curious. it's because that while townies mostly ignore it, it turns out that there's like a 90% chance that the first guy who asks why someone else is claiming green is scum that's you it's called the kenpachi strategy and it's fool proof First scumread of the day too! The Kenpachi method only works if the person questioning it actually tries to paint the original poster as scum. Balla asked it in a curious way rather than look for an opening.
Why is the fact that he misused said method scummy? Why did your 1st scumread get no pressure after this even though there was plenty said and he even did a few things.
Also why is me being curious->townie? That doesn't really make sense considering if it's genuine curiousness why wouldn't I ask the same question as scum?
On February 20 2014 12:06 VIVAX420 wrote:
well when suki is scum, she constantly bitches about how stressful it is to be scum. Her early game back and forth with koshi makes her look very town to me.
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why vote prpl? just because of the contradiction in that post you quoted? it wasn't so much a contradiction as it was a realization that marv had a good point.
Maybe she bitches in the scum QT but not in thread. The back and forth with Koshi was almost all joking until she thought I was being scummy why is that townie? It's a similar opening to how she opened in her last town game but its not alignment indicative. As before that game she never opened like that at all.
On February 20 2014 09:52 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 09:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 20 2014 09:46 suki wrote:
I agree that finding a way to 'unvote' is stupid. I don't think it makes me lean scum or town on rayn either way. So what do you think. Is that all you see in my posts? Because if it is and you are right then i am pretty surely mafia because i am not some random noob who says irrelevant stuff as town. I think the reactions that are garnered from your stupid entry is a positive direction for town and that Balla's reaction to it specifically makes me think he is scum. As for you specifically, I think you can open this way as scum or town.
Where did I even react to rayn's entry and why is it bad?
I find half of your initial reasoning for pressuring me somewhat silly (i'm not being playful) and the other half somewhat deserved, but I don't think you're being consistent here: At first you were saying i'm scummy for being in "policy talk mode" and i was actively lurking and not pressuring people. But here you're saying it's because of my reaction which you didn't even reference or comment on before.
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On February 20 2014 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem is that there are now at least 4 people who have no interest in thinking of my motives behind my posts. I'll make a clarification after marv posts anyways, but there is something i want out of marv first. I'll explain that too after.
Also rayn, did you still want to explain why you wanted marv to explain first?
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On February 20 2014 13:52 suki wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 13:22 Balla24 wrote:
Where did I even react to rayn's entry and why is it bad?
I find half of your initial reasoning for pressuring me somewhat silly (i'm not being playful) and the other half somewhat deserved, but I don't think you're being consistent here: At first you were saying i'm scummy for being in "policy talk mode" and i was actively lurking and not pressuring people. But here you're saying it's because of my reaction which you didn't even reference or comment on before.
Your reaction: Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 09:17 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 09:14 suki wrote:
Puppy <3
Yes. Actually. There is no downside to having your vote on someone else, especially this early in the game. Why is Rayn abstaining from even the miniscule amount of pressure a random vote has, and why does he think that abstaining is a good idea?
(Rayn does that clear up my question for you) I see what rayn was thinking though. He thought the votes were permanent thus the people with 3 votes would be easier to lynch whereas the people with no votes would be much harder to lynch. That would actually be a cool mechanic. Once it was cleared up though it basically means nothing so the "plan" doesn't do anything. So yeah. Policy talk mode. Not pressuring. Your 'reaction' to rayn's case was just a sort of backing-up rayn by explaining his point of view from your point of view. Let's get those gears moving Balla! What do you think of prplhz's pressure on rayn? Who do you find scummy right now?
kk so basically cause I didn't open with an early pressure vote.
The back and forth between rayn and him is fine and dandy and created lots of discussion. I don't see anything bad in there, except maybe prplhz's attack on you which was cleared up pretty quickly.
I don't find anybody scummy yet, we'll see what happens when the smurf comes back. I'm interested in oats and the smurf atm. I'd like oats to respond to why he thinks you and toad look bad.
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On February 20 2014 19:30 marvellosity wrote:
Balla, why are you interested in Smurf at the moment?
I asked him a few questions and he has not answered. His entrance in regards to me and prplhz was weird and serious yet there was no followup on prplhz and his reasoning on townreading me was weak. I want him to explain.
On Koshi:
This is koshi specific: but I think immediately buddying up to people and asking his (hopefully) town reads to kick ass is more likely to come from town Koshi.
##vote sidesprang
I am in full support of policy lynching sidesprang. You need to play, you don't need to play like an annoying player that you have been recently. No seals, no gimmicky one liners all day. Play like you used to its funner pls.
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On February 21 2014 02:12 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 09:10 Balla24 wrote:
The way I see it is these starting votes dont matter at all and by the time we actually start playing the game it still won't matter. Koshi lets start something gogo~ Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 09:25 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 09:22 suki wrote:
Balla is completely in policy talk mode and hasn't even tried to pressure anyone or start anything even though he is clearly here. He also is not playing light hearted like in the previous game where we bulldozed scum. So is everybody else, only person that is trying to start stuff is prplhz. I don't see anything else that is pressurable like I have in the past 2 games. That kind of behavior is incredibly hypocritical but whatever, could be anything, right? I don't see that kind of thing happening in his town game. He just does stuff himself and no "hey let's maybe do some shit, right? right?"Balla24 needs lynching ##vote Balla24
The rest of the case is meta and I can see what you're seeing but you're also only looking at the first couple posts in the game. So if you play like that fine~
However here what I quoted you're ignoring context. I was asking Koshi to do something because he was saying "hey balla is maybe scum" and I wanted him to post his reasoning so we could get into a shit show and people can start the game based on that... but it turns out he didn't.
I was doing the same thing when Suki was withholding saying why I was scum. I wanted them to post it to start something because they kept hinting that they were going to but not doing it. Prplhz WAS the only one starting anything so I don't see what's red about that...
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On February 21 2014 02:19 Palmar wrote:
Bad Balla.
Vote someone else.
Why? I want him to post. This is definitely his waking hours he should have posted something meaningful already.
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I know it doesn't make it look like i'm contributing, that will follow, same with who else is mafia. Don't worry rayn, i'm town and ima coming.
It might make him post more who knows, you're undermining it right now though.
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On February 21 2014 02:28 Palmar wrote:
In fact your pressure is as cheap as it gets, and the townie response in that situation would be "I just don't know who to kill so whatever, kill the lazy guy" But instead you're trying to pass it off as something useful.
Sure, whatever. That's just like your opinion man. ^_^
Moving on:
Suki's case on Koshi is really bad, and weird. I wouldn't expect suki to jump on Koshi like that. She likes making decently early cases but the subject is not good. Particularly this part:
On February 20 2014 23:44 suki wrote:
His reads on people have no effort put into them. He's calling random people town for no reason and people scum for no reason. He's saying Balla and I might be intimidated by the player pool as if it's scummy and yet he's not only not posting his thoughts he's just sheeping the strong players in the thread.
I know Koshi hates rolling scum and doesn't feel like playing when he's scum. I think he is scummy because he is not analyzing people, not pressuring people and generally just calling people scum or town randomly and making it known he's going to be sheeping.
##unvote
##vote Koshi
This is weird, considering the two games we (suki and I) just played with Koshi were a towngame and a scumgame. His towngame entry more closely resembles this game (randomly townreading, randomly calling people bad and sheeping) whereas his scumgame he completely avoided that.
It's just a complete no-consideration of what she just played with besides "I know koshi hates rolling scum". Beyond this I know she would feel like actually looking at his meta and seeing it because she started to become really good at that last game.
For what I am talking about, a few quotes that resemble this game from the recent towngame i'm referencing:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory.
Balla let's get a town circle going. On February 07 2014 07:39 Koshi wrote:
I agree tbh. It felt awkward
##vote jaybrundage On February 07 2014 08:02 Koshi wrote:
Balla, let's give jayb a break for a sec.
What do you think about Jonny? Why is he gone? He wanted to talk, but there is nothing from him atm.
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On February 21 2014 02:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 02:26 Balla24 wrote:
I know it doesn't make it look like i'm contributing, that will follow, same with who else is mafia. Don't worry rayn, i'm town and ima coming.
It might make him post more who knows, you're undermining it right now though. Can you explain how? Is your thought process. 1) I want to pressure sidesprang into voting, a random vote after everyone's already talked about him will definitely do it 2) sidesprang sees people say it's useless and decides not to post after all, because otherwise the random one-vote pressure would definitely have made him post yes? or what?
First off sidesprang is a player I don't expect to read the thread very carefully, especially this long ass thread. So I don't expect him to find every bit of talking about him. So maybe a vote will stand out. It's undermining it because people are calling it shit when sidesprang hasn't even come in yet, I don't think it will make that big of a difference. If you find me scummy for it fine but don't say it's not going to do anything.
Secondly, I KNOW it will do something, because sidesprang obviously voted me for a reason. Maybe he wants to get a reaction, I don't know what that reason is, but I'm giving it to him in hopes that he will come back after seeing my reaction. Specifically me voting and talking about him is better than you guys because he is targetting me. If it wasn't then maybe he would have said some stuff after you guys talked about him.
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I'm really really surprised Kush hasn't called me scum yet. I don't think Kush is interested in people's alignments, the past 2 games he has called me scum when my openings were weaker.
On February 20 2014 12:57 VIVAX420 wrote:
originally i thought it was super scummy but im second guessing myself now. Just seems like the depth of thought involved in that post is pretty townie, because it comes from reading the game with a suspicious mindset.
There's a bunch of stuff that is not saying anything about somebody's alignment. I really would have expected kush to call someone scum by now. Kush who is scum?
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On February 21 2014 02:32 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 02:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Toad i am going to tell you one thing: That being said, from what I've seen so far it looks like Balla is a somewhat atypical kind of player. He's someone who plays calm and tries to avoid confrontation when rolling town while playing a lot more in your face when rolling mafia. The opposite.... really, the opposite. how about you show me about that while I'm out, I'll come back, read up on it and give you my opionion about your opinion. Because funnily enough even Balla said he sees what I'm seeing when talking about his early posts in games.
Just so you know I'm specifically referencing how you might think my opening is similar to how I opened in those scum games, it could for sure be seen as similar somewhat. That's all... I don't want to be the guy who talks about his own meta so i'll leave it at that unless people want me to go at it.
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On the sidesprang thing:
I just realized he's just following up on what he said pre-game about insta voting me. It's likely he just hasn't had time to commit to the game yet to post anything meaningful and instead just did the insta vote for lulz i guess, kind of annoying but w/e.
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On February 21 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Balla who's scum besides sidesprang?
ATM kush, the smurf and suki are questionable but I think kush is mafia.
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What marv and I just said, there's not much else.
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on suki and smurf... I don't think suki's reasons for going after Koshi are solid and want elaboration
and the smurf needs to catch up with the thread and answer my questions
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On February 21 2014 04:30 Koshi wrote:
Guess I got to read balla games tomorrow. There might be something to it. Maybe he is being sneaky.
Is there a reason you're not doing that today?
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On February 21 2014 05:38 suki wrote:I'm back. All of you people who are calling me scum are wrong. Balla is most definitely scum. Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 02:22 Balla24 wrote:On February 21 2014 02:12 Toadesstern wrote:On February 20 2014 09:10 Balla24 wrote:
The way I see it is these starting votes dont matter at all and by the time we actually start playing the game it still won't matter. Koshi lets start something gogo~ On February 20 2014 09:25 Balla24 wrote:On February 20 2014 09:22 suki wrote:
Balla is completely in policy talk mode and hasn't even tried to pressure anyone or start anything even though he is clearly here. He also is not playing light hearted like in the previous game where we bulldozed scum. So is everybody else, only person that is trying to start stuff is prplhz. I don't see anything else that is pressurable like I have in the past 2 games. That kind of behavior is incredibly hypocritical but whatever, could be anything, right? I don't see that kind of thing happening in his town game. He just does stuff himself and no "hey let's maybe do some shit, right? right?"Balla24 needs lynching ##vote Balla24 The rest of the case is meta and I can see what you're seeing but you're also only looking at the first couple posts in the game. So if you play like that fine~ However here what I quoted you're ignoring context. I was asking Koshi to do something because he was saying "hey balla is maybe scum" and I wanted him to post his reasoning so we could get into a shit show and people can start the game based on that... but it turns out he didn't. I was doing the same thing when Suki was withholding saying why I was scum. I wanted them to post it to start something because they kept hinting that they were going to but not doing it. Prplhz WAS the only one starting anything so I don't see what's red about that... Balla's words and his actions do not coincide. He starts the game saying hey Koshi lets start something, but Koshi has already voted him and is telling me to vote Balla. Yet Balla doesn't jump on Koshi because Balla 'wanted him to post his reasoning'. Since when does Balla wait for someone to post? Balla's town play is balls to the wall in your face aggressive. Do you know what Balla does when he's town? He questions people. He pressures them. If he thinks someone is scummy he takes what they said and he questions what they meant. He asks them for reads. If he's on you he's so damn annoying you just want him to shut up, whether you're town or scum at the time. This game, he looks like he's trying to explain scum reads, rather than find scum. He's saying this person is scummy because so and so. His vote on sidesprang was weak as shit, not only because it's on a lurker, but because he just said 'Hey dude post more'. There's no questioning to try to get sidesprang out into the open despite his claims that his vote is pressure. He didn't start shit with Koshi when Koshi voted him, and when I voted him and provided reasoning he didn't fight back he just said 'hey that makes sense but don't worry I'll pressure'. He thinks me, sidesprang and kush are scum but isn't doing anything about it. Like, Balla, why are you making a case against me being scum instead of lunging at my neck like a starved rottweiler? You said my opening was non-alignment indicative and you said my case on Koshi was bad and that somehow the case being bad makes me scummy because I would town-read Koshi better the way you are town-reading him. ##unvote
##vote Balla
My actions most certainly do coincide. Koshi didn't even vote me he just asked you if you thought I was scum. I was waiting for his reasoning, I even asked him to post it. How is that not exactly what I said?
I didn't say you were scum, I said questionable! There are a lot of things that are making you look town to me but that case on Koshi was bad and I would not expect that from you considering how well you were improving your meta cases recently it doesn't fit at all with what we learned about Koshi. All your cases are reads on me/koshi this game are based on meta of our openings and they are bad. Read what I said about it, and elaborate on it because it the conclusions you are making about koshi do not follow from the games you are referencing.
Kush and CuteFluffyPuppy are my scumreads, neither are here.
You are being a little weird with your cases, sidesprang needs to post, I don't know if he's town or scum. My vote was explained in response to marv, but after I realized that it was a pre-game plan it doesn't hold as much weight. Why don't you take that into consideration?
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