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On February 06 2014 08:31 suki wrote: Here's the plan. Everybody that I make cases on for being scum D1, just ignore me and lynch the people who I think are probably town. Easy win. Suki I had you as town from your case on Oats. But don't let people talk you out of your case so easily. Hopeless being afk for a full day is scummy. There is no townie reason to do it. | ||
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On February 06 2014 08:36 Balla24 wrote: PLS NOT ME SCUM PLS. Also I think you should lower the possible blue power that town has... I do think it's op. Maybe 1 max blue role or something like that. Or no blue roles, that'd be nice too! Don't be scum Balla I don't wanna have to lynch my clone D: | ||
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On February 06 2014 08:53 Blazinghand wrote: It's possible that knowing each other well actually favors scum play, since you know exactly what buttons to press to make Palmar flip out or whatever <3 Artanis you flatter me so. If you can't find a person to play then let me know. For now, then, I'll /replace I would like to extend the offer to obtain blazinghand as a Coach. Why? IDunno 2 coaches sound good. | ||
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On February 06 2014 08:58 Toadesstern wrote: have fun playing in a 3 town, 9 mafia set-up Took the words right outta my mouth | ||
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On February 06 2014 09:03 Blazinghand wrote: Little known fact, JB and I started playing mafia basically in the same game, hosted by my all-time favorite host, Zona. It was a newbie game with a couple of vets, notably Palmar smurfing in as Electricblack. Before then JB had played in MM X, and we had both taken part in the massive clusterfuck that was TL Mafia XLVII. I remember you from a long time ago. Did we both start in the same game tho? Aw man I remember Palmar smurfing that game. It felt so unfair when he outed our entire scum team like day 1 T_T I took like a 3 year break I think after I gotta catch up | ||
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On February 06 2014 16:58 sidesprang wrote: And BTW, I'm back! I'm expecting alot from you  | ||
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This guy is thinking nothing like me this game : / | ||
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On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote: @jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion? @suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. | ||
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On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote: Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. | ||
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On February 07 2014 07:39 Balla24 wrote: This game just got a whole lot easier. ##Vote jaybrundage Oh look at my in foolishness Im soo cool. GET ORGINAL SON | ||
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On February 07 2014 07:40 JonnyLaw wrote: Overall you had a good game. You had one comment early that tripped my scum radar. I think along the lines of "in newer games people need motivation to post." Then you proceeded to try and take over the town. I felt like you were scum trying to take over the town. Bah, you should have been scum. Screw you Jonny (No maliciousness intended). I played like good town dammit. The scum that was trying to take over town was Hopeless1der. Which I tried to get a lynch on | ||
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On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote: Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory. Balla let's get a town circle going. Koshi would be way more happy if he got a alignment pm that was town. I don't see it. ##Unvote ##Vote Koshi | ||
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On February 07 2014 07:45 Koshi wrote: Probably but I don't remember aquanim atm. :/ Random votes are what they are. JayB has not commented on them at all. Even though he is joking around about last game, he cannot make a joking comment on the 2 votes that are on him. I find that interesting. Why would I comment they aren't real votes. | ||
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On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote: Mine is very real. Super real. you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D | ||
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On February 07 2014 07:52 suki wrote: ... Is that supposed to be a joke post because it's in this weird limbo of serious and joking that just makes it seem calculated and forced. No I am think Koshi is scum. To gave my post some context the red text was directed at Koshi. And the green text was directed towards town. That's the tone changes so much. On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote: I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D | ||
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On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote: You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. You should catch up on the thread. This post is already outdated. | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:08 Balla24 wrote: He's also scum. Last game he called my early unexplained vote shit, this game he says: He also completely dismissed my first post without even giving it a a real thought, similar to what jaybrundage did, and has been spewing irrelevant things like commentary about post-game which is completely off-topic unless he wants to make a point about this game with it. Also the aqua stuff is pretty irrelevant, and actually anti-town. What's the point of talking about Aqua's meta if he hasn't even posted anything yet? Sure I guess it's interesting to see if anybody has played with him, but you can 1. do that research yourself. 2. wait to see if anybody brings any meta arguments and information to the table themselves. Knowing whether someone has played with someone or not doesn't do anything. Pray tell what should people post about your first post. | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:14 Koshi wrote: Are you shaking or something jayB? Or did you steal Alakaslam his phone? My hands are cold. Thank you for your concern my scum friend. Anyway you said I feel off do you want to expand on that? I'm still working on your case so don't worry about that. | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:17 JonnyLaw wrote: I could call you scum. Pre-Game How do you assume Balla's alignment? Here are more excuses from Koshi. What happened to a kid with a lollipop? HEY YOU STOP STEALING MY THUNDER /end jokey rank | ||
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Case on Koshi Ok First things first. Artanis posts how everyone is getting different alignments. Which is poorly phased but what he means is that everyone is getting rerolled in regards to their alignment. On February 06 2014 08:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Everyone'll get different alignments but keep their current coaches. Koshi who made it very clear that he doesn't not enjoy playing scum. Read the scum QT for reference link, and I think he expressed the sentiment in the old thread as well. Was joking around and talking about how hes confirmed scum next game. Notice the excitement expressed by the all caps. He would really like to be town in the reboot. On February 06 2014 08:58 Koshi wrote: YES CONFIRMED TOWN Toad points out that it would be a 3 town 8 mafia set up. If everyone is getting different alignments. A joke based on Artanis's poor wording choice. (Everyone's getting different alignments) On February 06 2014 08:58 Toadesstern wrote: have fun playing in a 3 town, 8 mafia set-up Koshi explains (jokingly) that he would be fine with a 3 town 8 scum set up. In his words "everything over rolling scum. Everything." This man seriously does not want to roll scum. On February 06 2014 09:00 Koshi wrote: everything over rolling scum. Everything. I make a joke that seeing Koshi's reaction if he rerolled scum would be hilarious. Here is a reenactment of Koshi after he finds out he rolled scum. link On February 06 2014 09:02 jaybrundage wrote: I just think we should set up a webcam to see koshi's face if he rerolls scum Koshi expresses that he would be pissed if he rolled scum. This man reallllllllly doesn't want to roll scum. So I would expect an exuberant post from him elated that he isn't scum. On February 06 2014 09:03 Koshi wrote: I will be quite angry. However this isn't the Koshi I see. There is nothing here happy or excited. Compare his post about thinking about rolling town. And his first post where he WOULD of had just posted about rolling town. There is nothing to compare because they are so vastly different. Koshi's first post in the game has scum written all over it. He isn't happy or excited about his role. He would of shown it. On February 07 2014 07:26 Koshi wrote: Koshi is indeed town so I am going to beleive Balla his theory. Balla let's get a town circle going. On February 06 2014 08:58 Koshi wrote: YES CONFIRMED TOWN So with that conclusion ##Vote koshi | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:30 Koshi wrote: Ok the first 3 quotes are about pregame. oh boi boi boi. Do I even continue to read 0o They are completely relevant. But don't worry this case isn't here to convince you that your mafia. You already know that. | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:41 Balla24 wrote: 1. That's interesting to me because that's literally what you always jump on as town is people making excuses for their play. But at least you are wary. 2. That's not the point. Think about your reaction if someone just random votes you without explaining anything. You either think it's trolly or you think "wtf". If it's trolly you basically ignore it, which jb started to do. If you think wtf, you become curious and try to understand wtf they are thinking, and SPECIFICALLY if they have actually think they see something or not. After he thinks their real, he basically goes "WTF" and goes HAM on koshi for being non-commital. NOWHERE does he show a curious, townie, scum-hunting mindset but instead just straight up attacks him. He doesn't ask what is that "feels off", he just says that saying that is scummy. I would seriously expect him to think harder about what Koshi is doing. These are contradictions. I am not attacking him. I even called him my scum friend. I did ask what feels off. Your wrong here. This last bit is a contradiction again. I am thinking real hard about what Koshi is doing. That's why I analyzed it and wrote a case up about it. My conclusion is that he is scum. Why are you chainsaw defending Koshi instead of reading up on my post and seeing if I have any valid thoughts in it. What makes you so convinced that Koshi is town, that you are hard defending him so much? | ||
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Thank you for your time. I wanna leave soon but might wait around a bit to see if anything juicy pops up. | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:49 suki wrote: ##unvote King Balla ##vote Jaybrundage What the hell are you seriously posting a super-serious-scum-hunt long ass post with quotes and reasoning two hours into the game? Take a CHILL PILL man. Holy shit. Why the hell are you in such a rush to find scum out of the first four people who have entered the thread. This attitude is completely different from last game and I don't mean that in a good way. Suki. Being aggressive does not =! equal scum. I am scum hunting. Why are you voting me. Instead of reading up on my case and seeing if it has merit. You asked me how I was going to change my approach this game. I said it was going to try to do more pressuring and scum hunting. I am doing that. Should I not want to lynch scum this game. Your question doesn't make sense. It is not that they are in the first four people in the game that I have targeted them. I have targeted balla and Koshi because I find them the most likely to be scum. I think Jonny on the other hand is hella townie atm. | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:56 Aquanim wrote: hihi @jaybrundage: You've made a big long case about how Koshi would be excited to roll town and not happy if he rolled scum again, which I agree with as far as it goes. However, I'm unconvinced by your evidence that Koshi is in fact unexcited by this game. Not posting with capslock enabled doesn't prove much about his enthusiasm. Is there anything else about Koshi's filter and play which makes you think he's not excited to be in this game? His post which I analyzed when he said that I feel "off" Is a very scummy post as well. | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:19 jaybrundage wrote: My hands are cold. Thank you for your concern my scum friend. Anyway you said I feel off do you want to expand on that? I'm still working on your case so don't worry about that. You claim I'm scummy but your not even reading my posts | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:57 Balla24 wrote: You're not attacking him? Really? You did not ask what feels off, please quote. I'd be happy to be wrong about it, but I just skimmed that section. I'm not talking about your case on Koshi, that's ok I guess, it's pretty silly to use pre-game stuff at all but that's fine since at least it's somewhat relevant. I don't like that the whole thing is built on the fact that he would be "happier" though. I'm not defending koshi at all, where do you get that? I don't like your case on him, that doesn't mean i'm defending him. Chainsaw defense though? I'm the one who brought up real points about this whole situation in the first place. Just because you reacted to him instead of me doesn't make this a chainsaw defense. I think Koshi is town atm though, yes. Same thing as last game, he's thinking like me just like you were thinking like me. He saw what I saw. We shall see if this continues. Please can you give me a case on why you have a town read on Koshi. Explain it. If you can explain your thinking then maybe I can see it from your perspective and my read on Koshi can change. I do think both of you are scum. However I do not plan on becoming tunneled on it and exclude all other reasonings (cough cough jonny last game  ) Also you are defending Koshi... Hard. I can go back and point it out. However I am not going to waste my time go read your own filter and look at it and see if you can find any posts that can be construed as you defending Koshi. | ||
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What is your purpose with this post. I don't understand your reason for posting it. Please enlighten me. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:04 Aquanim wrote: That's not really what I asked. I wanted to know whether there are any other posts, or patterns in posts, or anything about Koshi which makes you think that he's not excited to be playing this game - since your justification for that view seems a little shallow so far to me. What I posted in my big case. Is what I feel was relevant in the part of Koshi not being excited enough. So yes that's it. That's not the only thing that makes him scummy though. Look at how he has no real read on me. Even tho he voted me and I'm pressuring the shit out of him. He never stated whether he thought i was scum or town. Similar to last game and how Oats was pressuring him early on. And he never really was concrete on any read on Oats. What do you think of Ball and Koshi atm? | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:03 Balla24 wrote: Got it, so you changed your mind and agree with me? ^_^ Also, jay, I don't want to tunnel you any longer but please, if you are going to accuse me of not reading your posts then at least read mine fully. I get the impression that you didn't even read what I wrote about you at the start of this whole mess. | ||
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You say I'm digging a hole for my self. By doing what scum hunting? Maybe take a break from trolling me and start playing the game. I don't want to come off mean but come on...... On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote: I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D On February 07 2014 08:08JonnyLaw wrote: I hate this fucking post by the way. What is this supposed to accomplish? On February 07 2014 09:08 suki wrote: Bahhhh bahhhhh. Anyways it's kind of mean for me to troll you. But the hole you're digging yourself in is going straight to china at this rate. Maybe take a break because this Balla+Koshi chainsaw defense scum theory is not doing you any favours. | ||
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On February 07 2014 09:19 Balla24 wrote: That's fine you probably just saw it wrong based on how the thread developed that seems like what you did. Understandable since this thread has accrued what... 12 pages in the time we got 2 pages last game? Noooo Im pretty sure I remember it right. I am just lacking for time right now. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:21 Hopeless1der wrote: was koshi scum before or after his super serious vote on you jay? His vote didn't play any part in my read. This post is what set me off. Then looking him over his first post didn't make sense from a town perspective either. | ||
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On February 07 2014 10:36 Hopeless1der wrote: How is Balla's first post indicative of alignment? No its a null tell. It was all fluff tho. I expected more from balla tbh so maybe that's why I was a bit more critical of his first post. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:29 Oatsmaster wrote: what? It was written before he got his role pm. How does posting that mean he is scummier??? It doesn't it was a null tell. I think my negative reaction came from me expected something i don't know more from him. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Why were you even commenting on his first post? You thought he wrote it after he got his alignment? It is day 1. What else do you do besides make small talk till you find someone who you think is scummy. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:36 Hopeless1der wrote: Perhaps I'm misunderstanding. You say This post set you off but you'd already voted koshi for not being happy Oh your right. Sorry. I posted alot of things today. I guess I got mixed up | ||
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If I actively try to scum hunt and push things I think are scummy. Then I'm scummy for unknown reasons. Pretty frustrating. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:42 sidesprang wrote: What are the reasons you find Koshi scummy now? Do you think Balla is mafia even if Koshi flips town? The reasons I find Koshi scummy haven't changed. I am not sure about balla. I really didn't like one of his posts. Where he called me scummy for scum hunting on Koshi. But I'm not sure if I was so convicted that Koshi was scum that I assumed anyone defending him was his scum buddy. However it might be just as likely that Balla was a townie trying to get some... I don't even know. Like I don't understand him defending Koshi so much when I was trying to scum hunt. Instead of looking at what I was representing. I don't understand scum reads on me. I mostly lurk as scum. As town I give reads freely and am much more carefree. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:48 Oatsmaster wrote: n1 mislynch NA jay? Numba 1 Mislynch NA xD | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote: Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now? There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information. Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. | ||
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On February 07 2014 11:56 Aquanim wrote: Can you specify exactly which of the things you said you think are completely true? No, all the things I was thinking at that time are what I believed to be true. Plus I don't wanna tunnel in on Koshi. I need to get some perspective. | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote: If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all. What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having. After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense? Hmm So rereading it. I responded to your vote. Cause it was like a foolishness cameo. I had voted you semi-jokingly before. So I didn't take it seriously. I didn't respond to Koshi's vote because it just seemed like a throwaway/joke vote. Then I posted my thing about him not being excited enough in his first post. Then you posted your thing about me not commentating on them. But I actually had commentated on one of them. Which was yours. But I didn't feel a reason to comment on them indepth because they didn't seem like real votes in the first place from what I thought. Does that make sense? | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:09 Hopeless1der wrote: Totally being a dick here, but I call shenanigans: + Show Spoiler [jaybrundage] + Mini Mafia X Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 Student Mafia Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 2 Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia I Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 BCs Arkham City Mafia Vanilla Lynched Day 5 Hammer Mini Mafia Town Tracker Survived Kaller Game Town Voldermort Killed Night 3 TL Mafia LII: JubJub Mafia Town Vanilla Endgamed Hero Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 Dessert Mini Mafia Mafia Roleblocker Survived Night 5 Nomination Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Day 4 Normal Mini Mafia IV Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2 British Empire Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Night 3 Roulette Mini Mafia Mafia Vanilla Endgamed Day 7 British Empire Mini Mafia II Mafia Roleblocker Lynched Day 1 maybe there are missing games, but that shows 7 lynches, 3 as scum, 4 as town. Well the plan is too out grow the title eventually | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:15 Aquanim wrote: Hey guys I'd like to discuss Suki Filter in the original game as town: Asks lots of questions, discusses reads, VERY direct Filter in this game: Mostly trolly one-liners about "King" Balla, doesn't talk much about reads unless directly asked, is not asking many questions. I haven't thoroughly meta-d Suki but I'm really feeling a serious gap in her attitude between the two games. I can't see any reason in Suki's filter to think she is town so far. Does anyone else have any? Yea I didn't like her play so much as I mentioned in my response to her earlier. I hesitated on calling her scum tho lol. I had already been pretty ambitious with calling people scum this game. I found it odd that she ignored my correction of her post where she is trolling me. But is completely wrong on it because she mixed up which post came first. I would of expected an opps or oh my thing. But she didn't even comment on it. That just seemed odd to me. As suki is usually first to make amends when she makes a mistake. | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote: First off you didn't reply to everything I said in there haha, does that make sense what I said? Like I don't want you to misunderstand where I think you are scummy and where you're not. Ah but that wasn't me who said you didn't comment on them, that was Koshi. Interesting. So actually, I think your initial reaction to my vote was super town. I wasn't expecting it to go any further than that after that response until you blew up at Koshi which set off red flags everywhere for me. Turns out, Koshi here is the catalyst for everything. And his antagonizing behavior led to all this. Koshi: i know you're asleep but I want you to answer this so i'm asking it again, what was it that "felt off" about the post we voted jaybrundage for? What didn't I reply on? Yea misread again it was Koshi. I never really responded to Koshi's vote vote tho. Can you quote the post your talking about? Also I am sorry my clone I think i misread you D: | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote: If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all. What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having. After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense? Ok this is what I don't know what your talking about. | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:42 Hopeless1der wrote: Basic thought progression for Jay's case on "sad Koshi" + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 08:56 Aquanim wrote: hihi @jaybrundage: You've made a big long case about how Koshi would be excited to roll town and not happy if he rolled scum again, which I agree with as far as it goes. However, I'm unconvinced by your evidence that Koshi is in fact unexcited by this game. Not posting with capslock enabled doesn't prove much about his enthusiasm. Is there anything else about Koshi's filter and play which makes you think he's not excited to be in this game? ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/f7a85886da615525771512d64d02a6ca/tumblr_mon7i5SBCx1r3jsrko1_500.jpg) While I do like homer and the simpons in general. The image and my thought process having nothing in common. Don't misrepresent what I say please. You did this multiple times as scum last game. | ||
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Ok so let me go thru my reasoning. So Koshi comes back after I dismiss his post and responds with that his vote is "very real" However where he should put a reason about why his vote is real. He instead just says "you feel off." So this is in hindsight perhaps where I may have misread Koshi's intention with that post. It might have been a joke post and he wasn't being serious. But what I thought was that Koshi actually thought I was scum. He said the vote was real... Twice. So I assumed that he was serious and voting me with the intention that he thought I was scum. At this point I believe that I was making up my case on why Koshi's first post not being excited was scummy. So I was already thinking that Koshi was mafia. This just firmed that in my mind. I had brushed off his vote on me as not being serious. So when he does say its serious he gives me the reason why. The reason is "You feel off" That was it. This is a very noncommittal answer and I think it reeks of scum. I had no reason to ask for why he voted me cause he already provided it it was "You feel off." So instead of asking him I dissected why I thought this post was scummy. Does my thinking make sense? And even when I did ask Koshi why he felt i was off. He never expanded on it. Also you confused me originally with what you said in your post If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. But you were not talking about my reaction to the fake votes. You were talking about my reaction to Koshi's explanation that his vote was real. On February 07 2014 12:48 Balla24 wrote: Ok. Here is what I said in regards to your reaction, I even quoted the post I was talking about (i think i'm getting pretty good at quoting heuheu). I said more about it in multiple other posts, but this is what I said at first. This is ONLY in response to the initial reaction to koshi, which is quoted within. The explanation for why I voted for you in the first place is here, they are relatively separate (not relevant to your reaction to koshi): + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote: You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. | ||
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On February 07 2014 13:16 Aquanim wrote: @jayb: Do you think it's impossible or unlikely that a town Koshi would have a gut read on you which he is unwilling or unable to state more precisely than that he thinks you feel "off"? I know in previous games I've had gut reads on people's posts where I had difficulty saying exactly what I didn't like about them, but was certain there was something weird. When jonny asked him about the point of his post on me. Koshi said it was for a reaction. Well he got quite the reaction but he has yet to do anything in regards to processing the information and reaching a conclusion. He could be town. I have been wrong before. | ||
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On February 07 2014 13:13 Balla24 wrote: Ah yes! Finally. Does what I said make sense to you from a town perspective now? | ||
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On the second point. I did mention him in my post. Part of the reason of me changing my playstyle was because Jonny was tunneling me so hard last game. I think he recognizes that he was tunneling a townie tho and felt a bit bad for it and is more hesitant to call me scum. I would agree with you that Jonny calling me scummy. But not going after me was weird. That does seem off. And the quotes where jonny goes after people he thinks are making excuses. But not going after me. Does seem off. Guess we will see how he continues to play. + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 13:39 Balla24 wrote: Alright, moving on. What do you guys think about JonnyLaw? I'm very weary on him. The post he quotes here is completely irrelevant to my probability mafia post. This was literally the first time I was not being trolly in this game. I know the things I was referring to were trolly and joky, but I wanted to start the game at that point, and they were interesting enough initial thoughts to question their motives behind it. Why does he think i'm forcing anything and distracting anything. That was literally the start of the first discussion of the game yet he doesn't even really read it. He even moves into quoting one of my more trolly posts afterwards ("I declare myself king") and calls it funny, even though it was way more distracting than anything else I did. Moving on: There were plenty moments where jonny talks about something irrelevant and not helpful to the game with the facade that it is "getting the game started" and "not talking about policy". This post here could have literally happened in post-game and pre-game, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. There is absolutely NO relevance to jay's alignment in this game. In fact, all it does is help jay if he's scum. There's more moments like this, specifically the Aqua stuff. Here he says that he finds Jay's excuse-making and self-doubt "weary" but doesn't think it makes him scum (or at least that's what I gather from him asking "does that make him scum?" after literally saying "it's scummy sure", which is really weird in itself). This is in direct contrast to what I know of town jonny. The guy LOVES to pick at this stuff. + Show Spoiler [Quotes from jonny town games] + On January 20 2014 11:40 JonnyLaw wrote: Ve's full of shit. He was this active last game. Making excuses for his posting now. ##vote visceral eyes On January 06 2014 15:21 JonnyLaw wrote: You're not saying anything with authority. You're hesitant and making excuses throughout that post. What are your opinions so far? I don't care how other people feel about you or if it's your first game. That doesn't matter. On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote: I'll be on tomorrow at a more reasonable time. At this point we have three players who've posted nothing. Fine, we have 30+ hours till day ends. I hate this post and generally everything in Asuna's filter. Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line. I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point. Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided. + Show Spoiler [PYP: LoL, where Jonny is Mafia] + On December 03 2013 07:24 JonnyLaw wrote: Rean - Votes yorick, claims vt and roleplays liftlift. Could be scum lurking. Austin talks about champ abilities and not wanting town to role claim. I'm not certain role claiming is the best policy either. Maybe I'm missing something but these two are lurking harder than gtrs. Mocsta is making a lot of excuses. Busy, in mylo etc... I generally agree with Roffles and Mocsta about gtrs. + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2013 15:08 Roffles wrote: I think gtrsrs just doesn't give a fuck anymore because he didn't get his champ of choice and is stuck as a vanilla townie. To me it all makes sense cause I know he probably just picked a champ he likes playing in the actual game (Khazix) and seemed cool in terms of skills here (he announced he was doing this too), but wasn't able to grab him and now just starts screwing around cause he's got nothing better to do. MZ wants gtrs lynched and then spends the rest of his posts defending himself. If this is a popular sentiment and he was a proponent of it early why is he getting so much flak? Are mocsta and MZ arguing for some personal reasons? Why did you want me to read these filters. The first two say nothing and the second two are just arguing. Rayn thinks MZ's contradicting himself but the first couple days I thought Rayn posted okay for the most part. I'm more confused about them at this point than anything. tldr Rean and Austin are useless right now because they're doing nothing. Mocsta's making excuses without them being asked. Could be scummy. MZ's spending all his time on defense. This is the opposite of how soniv approached aggression directed his way. That's why I liked soniv for town earlier. Then this. This is just blatantly not reading the thread. I was asked by jaybrundage to make a "town case" on koshi, so I did so. I even quoted what I was responding to. Yet he tells me I'M not reading the thread. This ticks me off ^_^. | ||
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On February 07 2014 23:18 suki wrote: Seconding the motion that this is bullshit. @Jay Tell me your reasons for wanting to narrow the lynch between Balla and Koshi 2 hours into the game? In the heat of the moment I thought I had caught two scum. That's why I wanted to lynch between them. Alot of the post yesterday by me were in a similar vein. | ||
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On February 08 2014 02:05 suki wrote: "Off" there's that word that you jumped on Koshi so hard for at the beginning of the day. Care to rephrase in more solid terms? Not normal. I don't have a good read on jonny. But I look forward to see how he continues to post. I think Lonemeow's absence is concerning. He seemed to be here a good bit more last game. This complete change in style seems like he might be more cautious of posting and I think he could be scum for it. Would love to see some content from him. | ||
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On February 08 2014 02:19 Hopeless1der wrote: okay jay, so most of yesterday was 'heat of the moment'. have you re-read or reconsidered your scumreads? Yea Balla is leaning town for me atm. I still think Koshi could be scum but everyone shitting on my push on him, means that the push wasn't not as good as I thought it was. So I won't be pushing him now and will try to get reads on other people. | ||
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Also in regards to my self consciousnesses I almost got mislynched day 1 last game. Don't you think I would look over my game and be kind of hesitant to just play the same. I was thinking about my actions and for good reason. I don't want to get mislynched again. On February 08 2014 03:29 suki wrote: Jay's play in previous games: + Show Spoiler + Scum in Roulette Mini Mafia On June 04 2013 09:13 jaybrundage wrote: So im down with the whole claim role thing. But if the scum can also get the roles it doesnt really lead us to any lynches. But i guess the point of it would be transparency and all that jazz. I hate playing with people i never played with before I cant rely on previous experiences Also if anyone has not played with me I would suggest reading a previous game or two I play rather..... unorthodox (I occasionally be hardcore lynchbait D:)Kinda all over the place but I always feel like day 1 is just typing shit until someone says something questionable. Then the Rage-arguments take place :D self-consciousness. On June 05 2013 05:55 jaybrundage wrote: Maybe you missed the post where i said to go look at previous games. I said that im often lynch bait because its true. As town i often get mislynched. I prefer for people to know this and take at look at my play rather then straight up die as town for my play. Me poking someone with a stick is not pressure. The fact that you have that in your case shows how weak it is. Besides the fact that your just piggy backing of someone elses post. The fact that you think a joke post is the scummiest post as of yet just shows your lack of a real case. #Vote S0lstice self-consciousness. On June 05 2013 10:59 jaybrundage wrote: Well how would you start day 1. I stuggle day one because there is no content to go off of. And the whole purpose is to create content. excuses. Scum in British Empire Mini Mafia II On March 05 2013 19:31 jaybrundage wrote: Meh, don't like that we already have an outed blue already. But whatever, no reason crying over spilled claims. Not sure what I think about the early votes. Its prolly people fooling around OR SCUM TRYING TO GET AN EASY LYNCH o.o Buuuuut prolly za jokes. Also scum Yamato did this last game. And he got away with it D: YOU KNOW THIS AND STILL VOTE ME QQ joking attitude with mislynch comment. On March 06 2013 11:01 jaybrundage wrote: I saw this coming. People would comment on how i wanted to lynch Dandel but now my votes on thrawn. I wanted to vote dandel because of his complete lack of content in his posts. He (finally) started putting in at least some effort with going for Vivax. Which is a plus. He isn't a townie read my any means. But I completly forgot about thrawn. When you mentioned him I remembered Lamp and his meta case on Thrawn as scum super lurking. That is exactly the case here. Once thrawn found out his role pm he legit stopped posting. He lurked super hard and attributed it to life reasons. Ill be damned if thrawn doesnt come back and give the same excuse. Also if you recall Hapa I was going after DP and then you had a read on him so i backed down eventually I didn't want to do a 180 then because i was worried about how it would look. But if you have a town read on Vivax I respect that and wouldn't want to go against your reads regardless. On March 06 2013 11:25 jaybrundage wrote: I wasn't confident in my reads. I wanted to act like i was to try to put more pressure on them (dandel, vivax) Never have been big on questioning my scum reads tbh. Thats more your forte. My reckoning is if someone is scum they wont give any satisfactory answers anyway. But ill try it out. As for going with the flow. Your right. I prefer to go with people's reads I have a town read on. I have done this to death palmar and even you at points in games. I hate day 1 for a reason. There is no concrete information to go on. self-consciousness. Town in Nomination Mafia On February 08 2013 13:52 jaybrundage wrote: In regards to the bold isnt that what everyone does? In all seriousness there isn't much to say about JX. JX was lurking hard and didn't contribute anything till some pressure was on him and even then he didn't produce much. I was having second thoughts about him per palmars post but no one wanted to lynch prplhz. I dont care if i bring your comments on Oats back to the limelight. If I think something you did was questionable I will call it out. You stated something I didn't agree with so I said as much. And are you fucking kidding me with this consolidation bit. Ofc we have to consolidate as town. If we don't it gives mafia more leeway to swing the vote. Also you your self were asking people to consolidate on JX so how is what you say even make sense. Also why do you ask if im a bad townie. Why not just ask if people think I'm scum? Notice how he doesn't really defend himself, he just shoots back a question. On February 08 2013 14:35 jaybrundage wrote: I fail to see anything in your response that indicates im scum. The mislynch occurred cause JX was lurking hard till pressure was applied to him. And he didn't respond in a townie way. I once heard a good town player say. That for the day one lynch the only thing you need to do as town is to make sure you aren't the jackass that gets lynched. You usually have to play badly for it to happen. Also yes I prefered JX to die over Palmar wasn't that clear. Your issue with consolidation isn't a real issue. It was the end of the day and I asked people to consolidate. Again, he doesn't excuse his play he re-iterates his reasoning. On February 08 2013 23:46 jaybrundage wrote: To give you some quick context. I am the best mislynch na. I used to get lynched about 90 percent of my games, though I have improved a bit cause people were getting used to my meta aka being scummy as fuck as town. I usually lurk hard as scum and get spammy as town. But this game I don't wanna get overly spammy as it makes me look scummy lol. Questions? He is best mislynch NA. But it's not in the joking manner as before. His tone is more serious. Town in Normal Mini Mafia IV On January 30 2013 09:16 jaybrundage wrote: This is your pressure vote are you fucking srs? Or do you actually think im scum Questions when he's pressure voted rather than defensive or instant counter attack. On January 30 2013 10:24 jaybrundage wrote: What the hell are you talking about. God forbid I have more then one scum read. Sharrant and JX are both scummy. Yes JX voted thrawn early but it doesn't make all his scummy actions irrelevant. Also Iamp also had JX as a scummy read. I have Lamp as a town read and i give his opinion some weight in my decisions. That is primarily why I started rereading filters and such to see if i could see what he said about Sharrant and JX. Note the confident attitude. Town (Fake doctor? XD) in our previous Shadowed Mini Mafia On February 04 2014 12:24 jaybrundage wrote: Oh I answered all those questions in my Google spreadsheet already. I ll post what I got on you guys so far. Its not all up to date on the recent things that happened. 1. Balla24 Town I like him so far very aggressive and making discussion and seems like a real player in this game 2. Sidesprang Bleh One post so far I knew he would be a candidate for a policy lynch and hes confirming that. 3. Alakaslam Posted 2 things with no content so far 4. cakemanofdoom no content There is quite a bit of things in the game atm and he chooses to comment on suki saying thats nice. Pretty lackluster choice 5. LoneMeow slightly scummy His first post sucked I don't like it at all and might be down to vote him just based on that. He followed up with basic policy stuff. I dont like him so far 6. Jaybrundage The towniest town that ever towned 7. Hopeless1der Meh we argued a bit over nothing hasn't posted any content tho so much is going on in the thread where did he go? 8. Oatsmaster Hasn't posted yet. I think at the start of the game is pretty late for him tho 9. JonnyLaw Pretty waffly at the start. He is posting but he doesn't seem to have firm convictions. He didn't liike Balla early but he has played with baller 3-2 times with him being scum so his suspicion is warrented. He hasn't produced much content tho he just seems like going with the flow 10. Suki scummy I don't like suki so far she just seems like she has no real motivation behind her posting. Her poke at jonnys waffleing was ok but then when balla inquired about it she said she never said she implied hes scum or anything LIke wtf? Why poke at someone but have no real reason behind it. It would seem that she didn't understand him but then she didn't say that she got very defensive. Said she didn't see anything with LM posting slight defending I dont like her atm 11. Koshi Posted some generic lets post alot then disappeared No waffling here, no excuses on 'I can't get reads easy in D1' On February 05 2014 02:15 jaybrundage wrote: I understood them in the sense that you think im scummy and don't like some of my posts. However why you thought they were scummy is a mystery to me. I would love to hear your thinking. I still adhere to the fact that if you can't see someone's username and see who is posting what. That your reads are going to be terrible. I hope you can read the game knowing who is posting what. Confidence. No heavy defense, no excuses. On February 05 2014 12:13 jaybrundage wrote: I have no need to defend oats. Oats can do that himself. I liked the case in general. Why should I nitpick when I have no need too. Can I not agree with a case? I liked the case. Its that simple. I agree with the case. I dont see how you don't get it. Yes I changed my read on suki. I'm trying to figure out the game. She made a good case so more likely to be town. More confidence. Jay's play this game: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote: It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. excuses. On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote: I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D Immediate counter attack. Something tells me town Jay would be more likely to say "Can you explain why I feel off?" and prod with questions. In other words, his townie confidence is missing. On February 07 2014 08:55 jaybrundage wrote: Suki. Being aggressive does not =! equal scum. I am scum hunting. Why are you voting me. Instead of reading up on my case and seeing if it has merit. You asked me how I was going to change my approach this game. I said it was going to try to do more pressuring and scum hunting. I am doing that. Should I not want to lynch scum this game. Your question doesn't make sense. It is not that they are in the first four people in the game that I have targeted them. I have targeted balla and Koshi because I find them the most likely to be scum. I think Jonny on the other hand is hella townie atm. Self consciousness. Defensive, trying to provide reasons for the way he is playing. On February 07 2014 11:44 jaybrundage wrote: I can't win with this town. If I give advice and try to make well thought out posts. Then I'm giving advice and I'm not scum hunting enough. If I actively try to scum hunt and push things I think are scummy. Then I'm scummy for unknown reasons. Pretty frustrating. This is new. I don't think I've seen frustration in his previous games so I don't have a meta read on what this means. The thing that comes to mind is if he was confident townie he probably wouldn't care that people are calling him scummy and would question them right back in their faces. Joking tone that's present in his scum games when he mentions he's #1 mislynch. On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote: Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. Self-conscious. This sort of thing doesn't show up in his town games. + Show Spoiler + just look at this quote from the previous game: On February 05 2014 11:49 jaybrundage wrote: Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town. I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him. Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have. Notice how his reasons for finding me scummy were weak, however he doesn't say 'Oh yeah my reasons for thinking suki was scummy weren't that great.' he simply states what he thought. Ie. Confidence. On February 07 2014 13:50 jaybrundage wrote: Does what I said make sense to you from a town perspective now? Why does he care that other people think he's town? Again, self-conscious, lack of confidence. On February 08 2014 02:24 jaybrundage wrote: Yea Balla is leaning town for me atm. I still think Koshi could be scum but everyone shitting on my push on him, means that the push wasn't not as good as I thought it was. So I won't be pushing him now and will try to get reads on other people. excuses. Huh. I think I've just convinced myself Jay is pretty damn scummy. Also I noticed how in the town examples above, Jay has no problem asking people why they think he's scum, or confirming that they their read on him is that he's scum. In this game he'd rather defend himself than confirm someone's scum read or call them out on it. | ||
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On February 08 2014 09:34 Koshi wrote: jayb, my man, who will you be pushing for lynch? Well doesn't look like your on the menu. Sooooooooooooo perhaps start up the barbie and roast some alakaslam tonite | ||
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On February 08 2014 10:22 Balla24 wrote: To add to this: why does Koshi not "being on the menu" mean you don't want to lynch him? A few reasons. If people who i think are town don't think Koshi is scum then I can be mistaken and instead of tunneling him I should be trying to create other reads. If there is no support for a lynch then going after it relentlessly and tunneling on him is just detrimental to town. | ||
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On February 08 2014 09:57 Aquanim wrote: @JayB: So far as I can see, Jonny hasn't pushed any reads so far and I don't think he's trying to learn more about other players through his posts. Why do you think Alakaslam is a better lynch than him? Your right jonny's lack of thread presence is troubling. I didn't think he was that scummy with his early game posts. But not pushing anyone or having any real reads means he could very well be scum. | ||
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But this isn't how a townie should be thinking. A townie should be going after there scum reads and then if that doesn't pan out go for a scummy lurker or lurker lynch. I had made a case on Koshi and a push on him. If anything Alakaslam would be reading the thread and seeing if I was pushing my scum suspect and scum hunting. However he acts like the one post I mention about policy lynching lurkers means that's solely what I should be doing. ##Unvote ##Vote Alakaslam On February 08 2014 10:16 Alakaslam wrote: Thing about lurker lynches. You can advocate them but if you don't follow through your motives should be questioned... Has Jaybrundage voted for me yet? ... Who is he voting? If anyone has been lurking I have been, he should be pushing me according to this policy. More as I feel the desire to comment on it. | ||
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On February 08 2014 11:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Hmm johnny says he is gonna post a case on balla. I wanna see how that goea but currently I could lynch Hes like really angry. Angry people are scummy people Oats what do you think about who ya wanna lynch I know you been hopping around recently. Do you think alakaslam is lynch worthy? | ||
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I went after Koshi at that point because of what was going on in the thread. I felt that lonemeow was town because of his vote on me, Also cake man was making sense in how he was talking about Koshi. They are two completely different scenarios and aren't comparable. I was also right about both my big pushes Hopeless1der was scum as was the target of my last minute switch Koshi. + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2014 11:58 suki wrote: The only scum hunting I see from you is a refusal to let go of a bad tunnel on Koshi and a policy lynch on a lurker. What are your thoughts on Jonny? What are your thoughts on Oats and LoneMeow? Who else do you find scummy? Why aren't you pushing a Koshi lynch because 'he's not on the menu'? As I recall, last game people were mostly on LoneMeow right at the deadline, and a few people hopped off LM and onto you. The vote count was: LoneMeow (4): Koshi, suki, Balla, jay Jay (4): Hopeless, Alakaslam, Jonny, LoneMeow Koshi (1): cakeman And you decided to unvote LoneMeow and start a push on Koshi. At the very last minute. I realize that at the time you didn't know what the vote count was and you didn't realize that voting Koshi would get you lynched. However, the point is that even with Koshi not having many votes on him and mixed sentiments across the board about his alignment, you had no problem switching to your most preferred scum target. This game, there's still about 20 hours to the lynch and you're already like 'nope nothing I can do to convince people Koshi is scum guess I'll just vote slam'. I really want to hear some good analysis because right now all I see are excuses. | ||
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On February 08 2014 12:22 Aquanim wrote: You reckon? As cases go, I think his case on Alak is very sketchy. I don't think it's unreasonable for Alak to be pointing out that jayB is not in fact going for a lurker policy lynch, like jayB said he might. It's not like Alak is calling for a jayB lynch based on that one point, he's just pointing it out. Furthermore, it's obvious that Alak was still reading through the thread at that point so jayB's observation that doesn't convince me at all. Also, I can't help but notice that (IIRC) every case jayB has made so far this game has been on somebody who attacked him first. Not 100% scum-indicative on its own, but certainly enough to raise my eyebrows. I was actually unsure if Alakaslam had read the full thread. But in this quote he says he was going to try some filters. So I would assume he would be caught up to the thread. Or why would he be reading filters with out context? Also the vast majority of people have called me scum in this game so far. So not much of an accomplishment. On February 08 2014 10:03 Alakaslam wrote: I have work folks. Yes I would be unhappy if I was lynched. That being said @suki: you appear to have "gotten better" as has Balla24 but it just doesn't strike me as the best entrance. I may be biased through being tired and a time crunch. I am kind of fighting a pregame bias that Jaybrundage is scum because last game I was CONVINCED he was scum and !what! He was almost made innocent child. Going to try some filters now. | ||
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On February 08 2014 12:27 suki wrote: So right now you think Slam, Koshiand me are the most scummy (and in that order) and you'd be willing to lynch any three of us? No one else is looking scummy to you? I have no plans to tunnel Koshi you can do it your self if you want. I think Slam Koshi and you are all scummy yes. I think jonny could be scum and I'm null on sidesprang. But its very possible he could be scum. Process of elimination baby | ||
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Wow If your gonna do the same shit Hopeless1der did as scum then how about this. DON'T FUCKING PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH ##Unvote ##Vote Suki | ||
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On February 08 2014 13:03 suki wrote: Hmm.. If you are town Jay I deeply apologize. However I think the only thing that will convince me of that is seeing you bleed green. All my points against you aside, when I ask you for a scum read I expect a scum read. Not some flaky excuse that you don't want to do it. I don't see any analysis going on here. Just excuses and OMGUS. Look who's talking. All I have been seeing from you is lying about what i said and tunneling. Your points are terrible. If on the chance your town. Then your just jonny 2.0 I am going to ignore you because you aren't being logical. BUT if you twist my words again. I WILL do my best to get you lynched. | ||
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On February 08 2014 13:11 suki wrote: Anyways I think I'm done here. I feel bad for pushing on Jay this much but honestly I was expecting a different response. I'll be back later. I would like everyone to post their thoughts on JayB because if he gets lynched tomorrow it's going to look very stupid to not have taken a stance on him. Suki I'll make this clear I'm not getting lyncyhed. So move on. | ||
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On February 08 2014 13:15 Aquanim wrote: Jay, if you have a case why Suki is scum I would like to see it. I don't have a case on Suki but twisting my words twice. And doing it one time with the sole intention of antagonizing me leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. Shes either scum tunneling me because it gives her something to do. Or town tunneling me cause she doesn't realize that it negatively effects play. Her trolling post with the sheep showed that she was trying to shit on me at the beginning. Shit flinging when she was completely wrong in the first post. Again does this seem like town play to you? What do you think Aqua | ||
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On February 08 2014 12:35 jaybrundage wrote: I have no plans to tunnel Koshi you can do it your self if you want. I think Slam Koshi and you are all scummy yes. I think jonny could be scum and I'm null on sidesprang. But its very possible he could be scum. Process of elimination baby And here On February 08 2014 13:12 jaybrundage wrote: Look who's talking. All I have been seeing from you is lying about what i said and tunneling. Your points are terrible. If on the chance your town. Then your just jonny 2.0 I am going to ignore you because you aren't being logical. BUT if you twist my words again. I WILL do my best to get you lynched. On February 08 2014 13:16 suki wrote: If you're getting lynched it's because you haven't shown your desire to meaningfully contribute to town. I've given you lots of chances. I've asked you for reads. What am I supposed to think now? Go on. Try to get me lynched. I dare you. I mean she even WANTS me to tunnel Koshi. Scum or anti town your pick. | ||
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Also the fact that if this third sub out turns out too be scum that would be pretty lulz. I find it interesting that scum have more of an obligation to there teammates so they feel more inclined to sub out if they aren't posting to a certain standard. Also its interesting Alakaslam said he probably wouldn't be subbing out and then did. I am on the fence on Suki. This post talking about me and jonny was really bad. However the post where she goes in-depth on jonny was pretty good. She put alot of work into it and looks like she actually try to reason it out. I won't go talk about her read on me because shes not being logical in that respect. | ||
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On February 09 2014 06:53 Balla24 wrote: Did you not read what I said? I will not use the badge to read coag at ALL. I did read it and I reread it. Didn't see you mention this badge. But granted it would be WIFOM regardless | ||
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On February 09 2014 07:03 Koshi wrote: WAIT I USE ALL CAPS TO MAKE ME SOUND MORE HAPPY EZPZ i lol'd | ||
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On February 09 2014 07:03 Hopeless1der wrote: koshi is going to die. If we have a doc, get on that shit. I find this interesting why do you think Koshi will die instead of someone like balla who spearheaded jonnys lynch | ||
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On February 09 2014 07:20 Hopeless1der wrote: Orrrr let coag catch up and give us an uncertified coagulation analysis. @jayb Jonny damn near confirms koshi as town with that slip. Gee I wonder why he might end up shot. I understood why you said it. However I think trying to direct the doctor is sketchy at best. | ||
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Also for your idea that if I were scum I wouldn't be talking to jonny much. That doesn't really apply to my scum game. I actually have one memorable game. Where me and my scum buddy Xalatos I think it was hard tunneled each other and set our selves up to look great lylo. We won that game. Drove poor bugs crazy tho XD. I'm telling you this because I don't want you to think I town for the wrong reasons. I also love to bus as scum you can see a trend in my later scum games. If you care to look. + Show Spoiler + On February 09 2014 10:09 Balla24 wrote: Let's discuss the reasoning behind something that Jonny did this game. Here is his case on Koshi on his return to the thread: + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2014 17:46 JonnyLaw wrote: koshi is our scum #1 in this game. Sheeping Balla off the start. I pointed out that Jay did this last game and it bought Jay a lot of town points in balla's mind. Excuses. Excuses. Fucking Excuses. Why can no one call him scum and where is the posting like a madman? I hate this entire series of posts. Anyone who's not joking around is scum? Get the fuck outta here. Uhh where's the scum hunting? And another post threatening the power of town koshi. Unleash it already. This reminds Koshi of his "off feelings' about town jayb last game? I don't understand. Seriously this is getting worse and worse for me. I'll do the rest tomorrow. ##vote Koshi I'm around for a few minutes to chat. At this point in the game, there are a few lynch candidates. Alakaslam, Jonny, JayB and possibly Koshi. Out of these 3 for jonny, I believe that Alakaslam would have been the easiest to push. Koshi was reading town or just null to a bunch of people. So why does he decide to push for Koshi instead of for Alakaslam, or maybe even JayB who both already had a case or two on them and there was plenty of material to pick at. I see 3 options: 1) Alakaslam and/or Jayb are his scummates and thus he does not want to push them, so he pushes another target. 2) He did not want to push either of those two because he would have been criticized for easy pickings and an easy lynch. 3) Koshi is his scummate, jonny knows he's going to get lynched so he tries to make Koshi look as best as possible before that happens. Let's examine them: 1) holds credence mostly for Slam because Jonny never mentions Slam one bit except for this post, where he calls him scum, but doesn't push him. If he thinks he's scum, then wouldn't Slam be a MUCH better target to try to deflect off of? On the other end of things. Alakaslam never got to mention jonny a single time before he replaced out, and his replacement Coag did not do much better. Although he did mention something that I think Jonny did, but he said Jay for some reason, can't really verify that though. For Jaybrundage, there's some connection in the early game, where Jonny says he thinks what he's done is scummy, but then doesn't really thinks he's scum. But they reacted much in the same way as each other during that early game, which I don't think two scummates would do that. And they talked about each other a LOT early on, which again, scummates tend to try to avoid on day1 if they can help it. 2) could be a possibility, but there were a variety of cases on alakaslam at that point (mine included), so I think it would have been worth it to try to push it and try to people to wagon onto alakaslam instead of him. Honestly I think that would have been one of his few chances to survive. 3) This is another good possibility with how fake some of the jonny-> koshi interactions look. However, if this were to be the case. I believe Jonny would have had less of a motivation to post more, and it would have made more sense if he just straight up disappeared completely but he actually looked like he had the intention to try to get koshi lynched. On the other side of this, we have Koshi calling him scum from literally the getgo of this game. I'm pretty sure Koshi put his vote on Jonny within like 2 hours of the game starting and left it there the entire day. That's pretty crazy for scummates, so I think this option is completely out the window for the most part. All these options are things I will be considering though, and I highly believe that #1 is the situation that occured. | ||
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On February 09 2014 12:24 Coagulation wrote: yeah vigi just shoot me plz Whats your motivation for this : / | ||
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On February 09 2014 12:01 Aquanim wrote: hihi anyone want to have a chat? Aquanim. I would like to talk mmmate. What do you think of Suki? Do you have any opinion on if we should try to get the vig to shoot someone via vote or something similar. What do you think of Coag wanting Vig to shoot him. | ||
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On February 09 2014 12:29 Koshi wrote: If you are going to continue being a bitch we just have to kill you. But that's on you. Koshi comon you were in Lol lets try to avoid calling people bitchezzzz I would also like to talk to you. What do you think of the votes do you think both mafia bussed Jonny. I know from my perspective that at least one mafia bussed him as I think it was just me and Suki not on jonny. Also BE HAPPIER DAMMNIT. | ||
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On February 09 2014 12:43 Koshi wrote: rofl. I am tired atm. I gave 4 names bro. Bussing or not bussing. The endvotes don't really matter. We shouldn't forget marv in original. Also, what happened in LoL so I can't call people bitches? I am off to bed. In LoL PYP there was a good bit of name calling and yea IDK we want to improve the mafia forum. Just more of a cautionary thing. | ||
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On February 09 2014 13:43 Aquanim wrote: oh hey I wandered off to play dota, sorry On Suki: Trolly and more importantly content-free start to the game set off serious alarm bells for me at the time. I'm not yet sure how much weight to give that phase of the game as opposed to her greater amount of content later. Hopeless said it very well here: Suki's been contributing her thoughts to the thread and trying to push a lynch but... something feels a little weird. I should have a better thought-out opinion on Suki later. -----//----- If we have a vigilante, they can do what they please. I have better things to do than direct blue roles. -----//----- Coag wanting a vigilante to shoot him is... bizarre, I'm not sure what to make of that. That slot wouldn't be a bad vigilante shot (alak and Coag aren't the most readable of players, and replacement slots are annoying at best), but calling for a shot on himself is some weird shit. tl;dr I have no idea. Do you have any theories about Coag asking for a shot on himself? Town/scum motivations for it? Yea Suki's start was pretty bad. Her post where she was giving me crap for "sheeping" Jonnys post about Koshi's accusation of me when it was the other way around. Still sticks in my mind. It felt so wrong for her. Especially when i found out she was wrong in who posted first and then she didn't even apologize till much later when I mentioned it in the thread. I think she was actively trying to discredit me. After her short Sidesprang meta business she hopped on the jay tunnel and has been riding it all day 1. As I see it we have two options. So she has either been focusing me to try to divert the case from Jonny and shes scum. Or she is a townie that is just convinced I'm scum and won't stop till she founds out my alignment. I have played like that before and been wrong. However also notice that this doesn't line up with Suki's play last game. She was very poking and prodding and always questioning making cases. Backing off them if she felt like they were answered. She didn't show this tunneling mindset at all. In fact just the opposite she could barely keep scum read on someone for very long. I think the change of playstyle from Suki might be becasue it is harder to switch reads and naturally show a inquisitive townie mindset as scum. As a town player reads evolve and change as you get new information you should be processing it and reaching new conclusions as you go along. However scum can't do this because they already have all the information and they have to fake it. Similar to how my read changed on Koshi to HOLY SHIT THIS GUY IS SO TOTES SCUM, to a null read, to welp this guy is town. That is a natural townie progression with the natural flow of information. However when I dropped Koshi as someone I was pursuing instead of Suki realizing that I was making the wise choice and trying to get some perspective from other town players. She accuses me of not following my reads, not scum hunting she threw every scummy thing and the kitchen sink at me. I just don't find it likely that this is coming from a townie mindset. So in conclusion I think Suki could be our next scum suspect. On Coag again I can see it from two perspectives. If hes townie then he just feels over whelmed and like he won't be an asset to town. However when he asked Balla if we were set on lynching Alakslam Balla told him No a definite not. Which you think would be a bit of relief and give him the chance to try to prove him self as a townie. However he just continues to call out for a shoot on him. It just feels all wrong. So what I think is more likely is that hes scum trying to make it appear that he just wants whats best for town. If we use a vig shot on him then it will be what is "best for town." However that's bullshit we would be wasting one of towns KP on a fellow townie. We would be closer to LYLO his shot would give no information to town but that he's a unmotivated townie. There is nothing good about a townie calling a vig shot on himself. It's not even like he dug himself in a hole were its a bit more understandable to be a bit down if you tried your best and everyone think he is still scum. He hasn't even tried. He is going for a martyr approach to appeal to peoples emotion and try to have us coax him out with promises of not lynching him and to just try his best and all this bullshit. I think its a clever ruse used by him to confuse some townies. (A scum wouldn't ask for a Vig shot on himself.) And to give himself an advantage in the up coming days. So yea you might be able to guess my two candidates for tomorrow. | ||
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On February 09 2014 14:17 Balla24 wrote: WIFOM at best. Not thinking about it. I've been wrestling with suki's alignment for the past like 4 hours. I think this is where the term "Svengali" applies or whatever Slam loves to use. She's way too good at manipulating me. She's way too good at scum. There's so much in her filter that is sooooooooo townie, but there's so much that's making me think back to the scum game she had and saying... wow... that's really similar. I've probably written and erased like 3 of my long posts about her now... maybe I should just post both the town version and the scum version. Ask yourself why would a townie would be using WIFOM? In regards to Suki, Balla this is you. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/A9X4mxE.jpg) This is what the town needs you to be. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/avjGeeQ.jpg) | ||
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On February 09 2014 14:56 Balla24 wrote: FUCK I WANTED TO USE MY 1.5k POST ON IT. lolz | ||
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On February 09 2014 15:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah suki pretty scummy for wanting to lynch LM but voting for jay the claimrd doc. Coag post seal pls Seems to me your just messing around from last game. But at this point in the game we should be starting to get serious and you have not posted enough that we know your alignment yet. Oats lets talk what do you think about Suki and Coag and Hopeless1der | ||
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On February 09 2014 15:33 Balla24 wrote: Offtopic: I'd just like to state that even if I'm wrong on everything from here on out, this has already been the funnest game of mafia i've ever played. You guys are great. There's really no bad blood compared to normal games or anything like that we're just a bunch of carebears having fun calling each other mafia. Good times, good times. I resent this. | ||
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On February 08 2014 13:16 suki wrote: If you're getting lynched it's because you haven't shown your desire to meaningfully contribute to town. I've given you lots of chances. I've asked you for reads. What am I supposed to think now? Go on. Try to get me lynched. I dare you. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eczhV57.jpg) | ||
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On February 10 2014 03:17 Balla24 wrote: There's a big problem here in that out of Jaybrundage/Suki, both had very similar non logical progressions on Jonny. Both wanted to see "more" from him, both saw him as scummy later in the day but didn't switch to him. I feel that Suki's progression makes more sense. She was pushing jaybrundage hard because she thought he was scum. Jay's doesn't really follow. It was clear that Jonny was going to get lynched, and he doesn't really share his opinions, he OMGUS vs suki and then his thread presence during the lynch was non-existent. There was no thoughts on the lynch DURING the lynch which I find really surprising for jay. He kind of accepted it and stuck on a useless suki vote, didn't try to push it on anybody else etc etc. He wasn't doing anything even though he should have been doing something, as though it was a lost cause. I really do feel like we have a scum within suki/jay though, so if we lynch within them we have 50% chance on either. Whereas out of the jonny voters I think we are getting more to a 25% chance or so to hit the scum. Although if I'm wrong about this. There's actually 2 scum in the jonny vote and therefore we have closer to a 50% chance of hitting scum in there. I can't decide whether I'd like to lynch within the jonny voters or within jay/suki. Yea I was a bit of a mess later on in day 1. I didn't feel convicted with jonny being scum. I had an early town read on him. I thought you and Koshi were scum and when jonny was agreeing with my thinking it made me think he was town. I was using the heuristic that people who think similarly to me were more likely to be the same alignment as me. However I was wrong with ya'll being scum and similarly with Jonny being town. So yea my reads were all pretty bad early day 1. I began to see jonny as nuller as the day went on. But I never felt that he was sure scum or anything. Then when I got too the thread in the near end of the day. I felt scared to contribute as I didn't want to attract unwanted attention by saying the wrong thing and getting mislynched. I had had a pretty shitty day 1 so I was being pretty cautious. This is a bit of a scummy mind set but I didn't really have much conviction on jonny. I was still pretty null on him. I felt going to the thread and waffling would look bad. So in the end when I commented I didn't mention him at all. As I had nothing of use to add. Instead I commented on other people of interest. I could of moved my vote to jonny. But it felt like it was an empty action. What would be the point of it. He was getting lynched and I had nothing to add or much of opinion that was worth voicing. Alot of this hesitancy stemmed from my bad day 1 and at that point in the game. I was fine with my strong town reads: Balla, Aqua having the reins to the lynch wagon. My biggest concern after my botched start was not to get mislynched tho as opposed to trying to lead a lynch. I tried with who I thought was scum at the beginning. But after that went badly I just wanted to make sure town didn't get a mislynch on me. So that should explain my end of the day play I believe. If you have any questions feel free to ask. I might not be back respond till after the night is over tho. | ||
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On February 10 2014 11:45 Aquanim wrote: I'm finding your reasons for this Jay read pretty damn unconvincing as well. Well your actual contribution to the day 1 lynch was pretty weak. I'm obliged to be at least suspicious of you for that. (And yes, before you ask, other peoples' contributions to deciding the lynch were pretty weak too, and yes I'm suspicious of them too.) Aquanim what do you think of my post when I responded to you about Suki and Coag. Do you think any of the reasoning I had was valid. What do you think about Oats and Hopeless1der hell throw in sidesprang in there | ||
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On February 10 2014 13:38 Hopeless1der wrote: the unreasonable pressure, alignment aside option. -Prove he's town Oats: No -HE CANT DO IT LYNCH HIM *foaming at mouth intensifies* All there asking for is reasoning to show where his read came from. Doesn't seem out of the ordinary to ask this. Oats hasn't been putting much information so that's why their questioning him. | ||
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So I shall join you Oats on Sidesprang. @Sidesprang. I am gonna policy lynch your ass. There also is a decent chance your scum. So yea. Give me some reason to keep you alive. | ||
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On February 10 2014 14:21 Coagulation wrote: 99% sure jay is scum Hey look its the guy we would be better off Viging I can use percentages too. I'm 2359023080089% sure im town. | ||
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Why do you think I'm scum? What do you think of Oats, Suki, Hopeless, Sidesprang. I have nothing to read you with. Please fix this. | ||
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On February 10 2014 15:31 Coagulation wrote: NO SHIT thats why I asked for a vigi shot. You know the only difference between me and you is that I at least admit I havnt done anything. Why replace into a game. If your not gonna try to play it : / | ||
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On February 10 2014 16:04 LoneMeow wrote: Right, so suki's thought process about JonnyLaw is just plain scummy. Note that at some points she claims JonnyLaw is her second lynch choice, yet she doesn't seem interested in pressuring him at all or trying to figure out his alignment. Then there's the "second chance" thing. You don't give second chances to players you think are scum. I find your stance somewhat easier to see coming from a badly tunneled town. suki, your stance on JonnyLaw before the lynch is really vague. Did you, or did you not, think he was scum? I agree whole heartily. If Coag is just useless townie (unlikely) who else do you think you would plug as scum. | ||
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On February 11 2014 02:02 suki wrote: Jay's questions directed at Coag: Hi Jay, I notice you're asking about four players specifically. Can you please let me know why these four (I have an idea just want to let you answer it)? You voted sidesprang as a 'policy lynch'. First off, why was it a policy lynch? Second, what are your thoughts on him right now? What are your own thoughts on Oats, Hopeless and LoneMeow? Welp as you may have guessed I am not as sure on the alignment of the players I am asking about. I might be leaning on them a certain way in regards to their alignment but not very sure on any of them. So I want other people's thoughts so I can get a better read on them. I think Oats is likely town. Similar style of last game. Doesn't seem to be bothered by the pressure that Aqua and Balla were putting on him. Seems reasonable carefree. Hopeless1der is a player I am not sure on again. A common trait in the people I mentioned. Leaning town because he is playing so differently from last scum game. He seems to be thinking about the game. Doesn't post alot which makes it trickier to read him. Lonemeow is someone I feel that is posting very similar to his last game as town. So stands to reason he is town again this game. Seems to be reading up on the game. Posting his questions and little reads. I wanted to push Sidesprang as a policy lynch because he has the smallest filter atm. I want him to post more he doesn't put enough content in the thread. I have a hard time reading him just because of that. However Coag's terrible play is just screaming for a lynch. So I couldn't proceed with my original play of pressuring Sidesprang. I had no intention to actually try to get people to lynch him. I just wanted him to realize that he can be policy lynch material because of his lurker tendencies this game. My scum reads should be well known. I believe Suki that you are similar to Hopeless1der in that you will be the best scum on the team and therefore the hardest to lynch. You play can read either good town Or good scum and that what makes it difficult. Your play if you are scum is also comparable to scum marv. You don't do overtly scummy things that make you an easy lynch. You play using reasoning and meta and all that good stuff. | ||
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On February 11 2014 08:08 Balla24 wrote: Any of you one liner, no explanation folk want to make a case on anyone longer than a few sentences and references. That'd be nice. Might be helpful in actually determining which one of you is scum. Balla what do you think about Coag lynch. What are your current thoughts you suki? | ||
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On February 11 2014 08:36 suki wrote: off topic: i didn't closely watch shadow mafia but man if marv plays that way then a scum marv+suki team would be unstoppable o_O Are you saying you agree with my analysis of your scum play | ||
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On February 10 2014 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Coag is totally an angry lynch by people who are angry. dont do it!! Can you expand on this Oats. I think Coag is a coin flip basically with more of a chance to land on scum. Maybe like 70-30. Who would you propose we vote instead do you still like sidesprang for a lynch. What about Suki? | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:20 Aquanim wrote: @Jay, can you explain to me exactly what you're seeing in the similarity between Oats last game and this game, and why you think this makes him town? I'm looking him over. Just looked at last game and this game might take a look at lol pyp too | ||
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On February 12 2014 06:55 Toadesstern wrote: Votecount: Sidesprang ( 7 ) : Oatsmaster, Coagulation ( 2 ) : Oatsmaster ( 0 ) : Everyone has voted, noone to be modkilled as of now, good kids! With 7 votes Sidesprang is set to be lynched Deadline on Tuesday, Feb 11 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) That means you've got left to vote! if you happen to find any mistakes in the above, please inform us/me about it immediatly, thanks. So with this being said I think its likely that Aquanim or Hopeless1der are the scum suspects. I would be in this list too. But i knows I'm town. | ||
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On February 12 2014 07:37 Aquanim wrote: I have some time to kill, anyone want to chat about things? Who do you think is the last scum | ||
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On February 12 2014 08:21 Balla24 wrote: Hey JB want to explain that blue stuff now? Might as well narrow our suspect list down a bit and explaining now would help do so. No need to be protecting anybody either since we're in such a great position. I'd accept waiting until resolution period, but tbh I don't really see a need to but you're the one who knows what's going on so that's fine. Hm I might consider explaining it on the resolution period. | ||
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On February 12 2014 08:18 Balla24 wrote: Actually her coronation is tomorrow. Pfff Koshi was the true queen. RIP | ||
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CUE THE MACKLEMORE. What, what, what, what. What, what, what, what. What, what, what what. | ||
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But he would come up the SAME hypothetically. So he could be town hypothetically or godfather hypothetically. However if I'm the only blue hypothetically. Then they might not have any mafia role hypothetically. So If I was blue hypothetically that would be what might of happened hypothetically. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:10 suki wrote: Jay what the hell is that mess. Are you parity cop or not? Shhhhhhhhhhh it's hypothetical. Scum can't know unless your scum then fuuuuck. | ||
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Also I put in the check early night 1 and was asleep after that so I didn't see the latest developments in the thread. But Aquanim was the person getting the most heat when I sent in the check. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:44 suki wrote: And I just want you to say it straight right now. Are you parity cop, and your whole 'hypothetical' post is actually what happened? Yes gosh you take out the fun of all these things | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:59 suki wrote: Jay have a look at my post on Hopeless. What are your thoughts? Do you have anything to add to it? I think you bring good points on hopeless. In the back of my mind I think it might not be likely that two scum from last game are the same. But that shouldn't play a part in if hes scummy or not. His way different style of play makes me unsure about him as well. | ||
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On February 13 2014 08:47 Hopeless1der wrote: I want a mass claim for the sake of clearing this shit out. I AM VANILLA TOWN Oh and I completely disagree with this idea if there are any other blues there is no reason for them to claim unless they are about to be lynched imo. While it is likely that im the only blue. It is not necessary true. | ||
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I am Lel tired and I don't have the energy or will power to respond to it adaqatically I was getting kind of scared always second glancing at my town reads saying he could be scum or this person could be scum. But in the end it is 1 scum and 6 townies. Process of elimination narrows down the reads alot. Just use Occam's razor to see if someone is town or not. | ||
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It's all coming together. I had thought Suki was scum earlier but Balla's influnce always made me switch my read because I was pretty damn convinced he was town and his opinion held alot of weight for me On February 13 2014 07:23 suki wrote: So anyways what I was going to say is, Jay avoided being lynched Day 1 by claiming blue. That is, people who were suspicious of him ended up voting Jonny instead because he claimed. Now that it's Day 3, he has not explained what that claim was about. Nor do I think there is a good explanation. Also because Jay was claiming blue, scum should have killed him either N1 or N2. This didn't happen. Jay was scummy to me on Day 1, his Day 2 has been shown to be weak. He has no explanation or follow up for his blue claim. ##vote JayBrundage | ||
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Much less aggression, personal attacking and making cases based on faulty evidence. Like how he twisted my words to mean something very different. | ||
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Your good scum game preceded you. I will probably be dead tonight. But I do think that we have a chance to Vig LM and perhaps win now. I picked up on one of our townies bread crumbs and I think we could vote on who he should shoot. I think LM would be the good choice as they have played similarly however as Suki mentioned LM was trying to steer away the lynch from Sidesprang. | ||
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On February 15 2014 12:05 Coagulation wrote: jay lets say avig shoots lm and he flips town. who do we lynch? Hm good question. I would say maybe Hopeless. Do you still feel strongly that Aquanim is scum? | ||
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GGs y'all I'mma catch up on the thread now | ||
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I did kind of fall off after getting the lynch on Suki. I thought we had gotten scum and kind of stopped putting effort in the game I perhaps shouldn't of claimed. But I feared Suki getting out her claws again and trying to trying to rip me apart in the thread again. Scury Suki lets talk about your tunnel. What convinced you I was scum so much. Like from your first day I thought you looked reallly scummy. Like you actively trying to discredit me and throwing things that weren't even true. Like that sheep post about Jonny really made me suspicious of you. | ||
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02-03-2014 11:28 PM ET (US) Balla is annoying as hell. I think I liked him better when he was scum. HA Ha ha omg lulz | ||
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PromethelaxPerson was signed in when posted 02-14-2014 03:07 AM ET (US) I am your personal cheerleader. Suki suki she's our (wo)man If she can't do it no one can Woooo Wooo [i did not sport well in school, I have no idea what cheerleaders actually say] | ||
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On February 18 2014 12:40 Balla24 wrote: I think this explains it: "Ah. My notes from my previous game say: "If I roll town, be more decisive. Push harder. Try not to be so wishy washy and careless." What that translates to for me is I will be tunneling people and really trying to push their buttons, even if my case isn't the best. In my previous game I also played a bit too careless because I wasn't worried about getting killed (since I was just a VT). I need to tighten up my game a bit more. " -suki SHE TRIED TO KILL ME BALLA!!! KILL ME! | ||
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On February 18 2014 12:53 suki wrote: Jay it's been a week since I was totes JAY SCUM TUNNEL OF JUSTICE but let me think what sticks out to me the most... Your over-eagerness to push a case on Koshi seemed out of character for you and you kept on exaggerating how scummy Koshi looked (and eventually pulled Balla in and called them a scum team). It was hard to believe that you seriously thought that this was true and felt too forced. So really at the beginning it was a total gut feeling thing. Later on, there were several things that I noticed that just felt off to me... 1. You saying you would scum hunt at the beginning, post a giant case on koshi, and then for the rest of the day you barely pushed anyone. 2. You weren't pressuring people, asking them questions etc. 3. You seemed much more defensive. I'm wondering if being blue this game changed your outlook to care more about survival because I had this meta read on you that if you were town you wouldn't care about people's cases on you and would just counter-pressure. Probably those were the biggest things. If it's any consolation to you, I'm actually really really good at pushing lynches against blue roles when I'm town -_-; If you could comment on these points I'd really like to hear your thoughts because I want to improve and not push bad tunnels in the future. I posted a big case on Koshi and I thought he was scum. When I put my case out and no one liked it that showed that I was a bit tunneled and didn't need to tunnel Koshi (rightful so as he was town as well.) With that being said me talking to balla about my thought process and his though process was really good. (Props to you for that Balla) and helped change my read on him. I don't think a scum would ever do that. I was a bit lost after Koshi gained to traction. So I handed over the reigns of the game to my town reads at that time (Aqua and Balla) and let them lead the lynch and hung back as I was blue. Last game I was almost lynched. I changed my play style because jonny was tunneling me cause I was too towny and wasn't scum hunting. I was very annoyed because I felt my first game was me trying my ass off as townie and i was trying to emulate gonzaw's giant post style (lulz) I was defensive cause the whole thread thought my case on Koshi was bad. ( I still maintain that Koshi should of been happier ) Also I was cop I didn't want to get lynched again. That's why I blue claimed earlier with out being specific so I could get room to breath and not be forced later on in the day if I was close to being lynched and with that be forced to full claim.Also for Meta If I am town I am very carefree (Like a majestic buck running thru the sunny bright glades). Prome can usually read me well in that regard so I was kinda surprised to find out he was your coach. But I guess Coaches can't give to much alignment indicative advice. | ||
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On February 18 2014 13:14 suki wrote: I know right? I was so happy. And then Jay had to ruin it by actually being town hehehe. You and jonny. This guy wasn't scum. BUT HE SHOULD OF BEEN QQ | ||
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On February 18 2014 13:17 gonzaw wrote: You guys don't be hating on mah boy. I mean, he wouldn't even be close to a D1 lynch with all the super awesome advice I gave him, like "Please don't get lynched dude" To my record I was never lynched either game | ||
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On February 18 2014 13:17 suki wrote: Furthermore, his reason for not posting for the rest of day one 'Because I was scared of drawing attention to myself and being mislynched' ... I mean that explains it right? His attitude was one of survival and defense rather than scum hunting, which was pretty much the whole reason I was on his case to begin with. His survival attitude ended up not being because he was scum but it's something that I do find very scummy. I think this had more to be being cop and a strong asset to the town if I was allowed to live longer. I didn't want to say the wrong thing and have a last minute vote shenanigans and get lynched | ||
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This was a hell of a fun game. I can't wait to play with you guys again. ^^ | ||
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I know you were town and all suki but.... MISSION COMPLETED!! ACHIVEMENT UNLOCKED | ||
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