[C][M][T] Survivor Series Mafia

On February 08 2014 14:51 geript wrote:
Oats you going to delurk. You just joined TS.

On February 09 2014 16:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
pretty much I will agree on any policy involving lynching the less desirable players even if it includes myself after giving it some thought. There is no reason for mafia to not nominate all the more townie looking people and make town pick off the better players. So it is really in our best interests to weed out those not participating as much (I realize that is me right now, but day 1 I am never that active)

On February 09 2014 16:19 VayneAuthority wrote:


nah lousy scum. it works for this playerlist since there is very few people that lurk here.

On February 09 2014 22:15 marvellosity wrote:

Apart from the general washiness of inactivity and such, because of his unexplained vote on rayn. Seems more likely that a town Oats would pursue rayn in some fashion if he wanted to vote for him, but he doesn't mention him at all, so intead it comes across as a "this is the kinda dumb vote townOats would do, hehe". Unfortunately I can't pick anything more out than that to distinguish between terrible/mafia

On February 10 2014 01:08 Koshi wrote:
Also it's not my fault this thread is so incredible slow and hard to read. I am a replacement.
But lynching marv D1 is so bad in this system. Basic math tbh.

On February 10 2014 01:13 Koshi wrote:
Also there are no blue roles or something so there is no reason for VA to play like this. AT ALL.

On February 10 2014 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Oats how did you read me as scum when you voted for me?
And don't say you didn't because you said you think i am mafia.

On February 10 2014 01:59 Grackaroni wrote:
It doesn't really fit well to me. You are arguing that I'm voting you because I'm really concerned that we'll lose if we can't lynch off the strongest players, and at the same time I put no effort into getting you lynched.

On February 10 2014 02:02 Grackaroni wrote:

You think Marv is scum because he had a shitty reason for voting you.

On February 09 2014 22:10 Koshi wrote:
yay I already got marv and rayn in the pocket.

WoS is like the worst feel player in the world. I totes tried to play his feels and it didn't work. Really WoS, if I play to somebody his feels it mostly works. You play this game on feels and I can't make you feel? Strange.

Not the worst list. (I solely base this because I don't see geript or yamato)

I found Grack to come in pretty ok.
Cora going after attackers is pretty Cora.
VA is pure evil.
VE just voted for me cuz WoS voted for him.
Holyflare I have no clues.
Oats is question. Wouldn't lynch yet I think.
Palmar I dnu.

Fuck I am going to have to read this thread.

On February 10 2014 02:14 Corazon wrote:
To be honest, I just want to survive to D2 so I can do analysis on the D1 voting patterns and have better reads. I'm not going to get myself worked up to defend myself because you guys won't listen to me anyways.

##Vote: Palmar

Come on guys. Read the game.

On February 10 2014 10:42 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't know if he is scum. There was nobody else I felt strongly about lynching though. Safe as in difficult to read and bad reads as town.

On February 10 2014 10:55 Grackaroni wrote:

I don't know what you expect from me right now I made it explicitly clear when I voted Risen that I had pretty much given up on finding scum this cycle.

On February 10 2014 23:52 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar isn't buddying me at all in that post.

On February 10 2014 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
VA is quite likely to be scum I think, why don't you think so?

His move off Corazon felt really contrived towards the end of the day. Voting Oats with "shenannies" with this reasoning:

- and then when pressed by me on how/why, he said:

And yet, despite the fact it didn't look like his scumgame and maybe it was all some sort of game - his vote remained on Oats at the end of the day.

Basically an astonishing misuse of his vote that apparently no-one notices or cares about. Because it's VA?

On February 11 2014 17:53 Palmar wrote:


Let's discuss it for a bit, and for the moment let's assume I'm town, because that's actually important for the discussion at hand.

Why does this vote make yamato scum? Does it make sense for scum-yamato to do this? Given the assumption that marv is not the one who's going to die from the nomination, why on earth would scum-yamato place his vote on the one person that is most likely to be alive to give him a hard time later in the game.

I'm not saying he can't be scum, it's just food for thought.

On February 11 2014 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

He always wants me dead, even though i am not even being an ass this game. But it's Oats.

On February 11 2014 23:54 marvellosity wrote:
that didn't answer my question Oats.

On February 11 2014 23:57 marvellosity wrote:
no, you look like dogshit as both alignments.

On February 11 2014 23:33 yamato77 wrote:

Early game, remember games where he is not trolling, think him readable.

See him post some, see nothing that could be construed either way, not have super strong reads yet, think him good lynch to come back to if nothing else pops out at me.

See Cora. Kill Cora. End of story.

On February 12 2014 00:21 Grackaroni wrote:
Oats thoughts on Koshi?

On February 12 2014 00:28 Palmar wrote:


Why are you so directionless.

day 1 you wanted to lynch/were suspicious of the following players:

Koshi/marv/rayn/VE/Cora/WoS

today you want to lynch/are suspicious of

VA/yamato/VE with one ore from Grack/HF/WoS/geript (3 out of those 4 you have not mentioned before)

Like that's just about everyone in the game.

On February 12 2014 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because there is nothing Oats has done all game long.

On February 12 2014 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah you have called pretty much all the players in the game scum and now you have about 7 scumreads with no reasoning given. To me that does not count as doing something productive.

On February 12 2014 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If someone can tell me why you think anyone of your reads is mafia besides Vayne (read on yamato does not count because apparently it's based on misinterpretation/misreading) i am willing say you are right and i am wrong.

You have thrown some arbitary names with no reasoning behind any of them and that's what always gets you mislynched when you are town. When people who are willing to read you ask you stuff you don't give them anything. Then they die (in this case two of me/marv/Palmar) and then close to LYLO scum AND town goes "yeah Oats is mafia because he was just coasting by and refused to explain anything" and then it's too late.

Trust me Oats, that's what happens ALWAYS when you get mislynched. And there is noone to blame but you, you refuse to play the game properly when it actually matters and you drive yourself into position where there is no other way than to lynch you regardless of your alignment. That's really sad because you are capable of decent play if you just want to.-

On February 12 2014 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like it was really sad that it took thrawn like fucking 30 hours to figure out bumatlarge was scum in LXIV LYLO when ~24h ago he called you confirmed town. So fucking sad, bad and terrible.

On February 12 2014 02:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Just like this.. Every fucking time..

On February 12 2014 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Oats and geript.

On February 12 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Anyway, so Keirathi = Geript huh?

##Vote: Keirathi
Sorry dudeguy, but your predecessor left you with a scum legacy.

On February 12 2014 10:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
The outrage you just displayed actually makes zero sense to me whatsoever.
How is it possible you cannot have considered that I was voting for him based on Geript's play?

Scum Oats defending/lying or dumb Oats?

On February 12 2014 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:

Oats did you really just try to throw Grack's completely legitimate point back in his face even though it makes no sense for you to do so?

On February 12 2014 12:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Seemed faker than usual. Why is somebody voting their scum read such a big deal?

On February 12 2014 11:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
wow wave you talked so much more about VA your null read than Geript your top scumread. Why is that Wave?

On February 12 2014 12:28 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yes very recently.
Because I felt like it.
Problem?
And VA is not my null read at all, he's a townread. Gj though Oats.

On February 12 2014 12:55 Grackaroni wrote:

If I were to go through a quick search through your games would I find you voting for a replacement at the start of a day? Would I find you ignoring other people voting for a replacement at the start of a day? I have a strong feeling that I would.

On February 12 2014 17:15 yamato77 wrote:

I thought he COULD be readable. Vayne being readable is dependent on how he plays, not on anything I can do. If he's going to be unreadable, he is a perfectly good lynch candidate.

It's difficult to tell if you're just this thickheaded or if you're maliciously trying to misrepresent my post.

On February 12 2014 17:21 yamato77 wrote:

there are scum calling me scum, Oats

are you one? do you not understand that Vayne has the CAPABILITY of playing in a readable way, but IS NOT PLAYING IN A READABLE WAY, AND THUS SHOULD DIE?

What is so fucking difficult?

On February 12 2014 17:26 yamato77 wrote:

Because marv blamed me for the mislynch, which is ass.

Marv didn't do SHIT day 1. Almost no one did anything.

And suddenly marv wants to dump on me after how little he tried?

Fuck that.

On February 12 2014 17:33 yamato77 wrote:

You weren't reading the exchange.

Marv calls it "rayn's lynch" (before the flip) when rayn is just sheeping me anyway, and then wants to be a prick after the flip and make it my fault Cora flips town.

Every need to be a dick about it. Fuck marv, and the rest of town, if that's how effort is to be rewarded.

On February 13 2014 02:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's not that he's lying - if he were lying it would be easily verifiable. I'm saying he didn't pull quotes from scum games to back up his suspicions, which I'm apparently mistaken about.

On February 14 2014 00:18 Holyflare wrote:
I don't understand this shit. I'm here playing the game and both you and grack are being assholes. If you're both scum fuck you. Why are you being an intentional dick? If I get modkilled which at the rate you are going I probably will then the game is over anyway.

I don't think scum would try a three-town nom again

On February 14 2014 14:41 WaveofShadow wrote:

And you assume that everyone from those lists of people that everybody is constantly all over is town?
Good luck with that in LYLO.

Even if I weren't lynching because I assume one of them to be scum, Koshi is still the best choice as if he is town, as he has been by far the most useless of the three.

On February 14 2014 18:55 Palmar wrote:
You, WoS, VE, yamato, holyflare, Risen and Keirathi are all scum.

Please all find a way to get killed so I can win this game.

VisceraEyes (1): Risen, Keirathi
VayneAuthority (5): Oatsmaster, Palmar, Koshi, Marvellosity, VisceraEyes, Risen, marvellosity, Koshi, Holyflare
Keirathi (1): WaveofShadow, Palmar, Holyflare
Oatsmaster (0): Grackaroni
Holyflare (4): Grackaroni, Grackaroni, VayneAuthority, Risen, marvellosity , Koshi, Palmar, Holyflare
WaveofShadow (1): yamato77
Grackaroni (0): Koshi, Holyflare

On February 14 2014 23:42 Palmar wrote:


Keirathi is a bit useless but at least he's done _something_ in the last days.

WoS is off the map. Sure he may be busy but his early game feels a bit all over the place.

On February 14 2014 23:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fuck all of you.
Try going to school and having a 14 month old child with 101 degree fever
If you're doing this on purpose to make me rage like palmar then be fucking ashamed of yourselves.

On February 14 2014 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
thats not alignment indicative and totally dickish. Why are you such a dick Wave.

Dont phone post then. get lynched and lose because your ego is too big.

On February 16 2014 10:40 VisceraEyes wrote:

Feel free to qualify this with reasoning at your leisure. Otherwise don't be surprised if no one takes this seriously.

On February 16 2014 13:54 Risen wrote:
Just don't like your posting compared to town you I've seen. Not much to prove, there's three people who are not going to be convinced no matter what, I would have to convince every town player. I'd rather play to my meta of not caring so when I flip town future games will be able to use this as a reference.

On February 17 2014 22:21 Holyflare wrote:
So everything said in lylo is worthless but you want ve's reads that he'd have said in lylo anyway? Doesn't make any sense. A read is a read, you pick out things that don't add up to being a town mindset and then develop a scum read on them, which is what me and VE were doing the last lylo. How would this be any different?

Shouldn't we instead of finding out ve's reads be finding our own reads and discussing them? Been quite clear on risen and grack so far and you've had no input into either of them.

On February 17 2014 22:56 Holyflare wrote:
are you being thick!?!?!? you can literally get called out for lying 24/7 at any point in the game, lylo doesn't change shit about that. You look through a filter and find what people have done in their gameplay the entire game and then tell everybody about it, how is that hard to do and where does lying come into it?

On February 18 2014 00:22 Palmar wrote:


You are a troll and VE/HF/Risen/Grack are all outposting you.

That puts you in the bottom 3 of useful people. Maybe scum is the not useful people?

fix yourself.

On February 18 2014 00:24 Palmar wrote:


It's not like you have some kind of a brilliant fucking library to fall back on from the early days.

On February 18 2014 02:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
And Palmar, I'm not intentionally being mean - I'm just infuriated that you spend all game going "Gosh I wish VE would do something" and then when I finally DO do something you want me dead. If you're town, you can understand my frustration. If you're scum, you can eat a dick. <3

On February 18 2014 02:25 VisceraEyes wrote:

But that literally doesn't even make any sense. Why would he think Grack is confirmed town for being nominated but not me? There's even sentiment in this thread for lynching me, why would he not consider me confirmed town for being nominated? It doesn't jive with the way he's played the rest of this game at all.

On February 18 2014 02:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Scum VE could and would make any argument town VE could and would make. You're just being ridiculous Oats.

On February 18 2014 09:40 Palmar wrote:
So tomorrow we lynch into:

Yam
HF
WoS
Risen
Oats

I'm looking forward to everyone's contributions.

On February 18 2014 09:48 yamato77 wrote:

I don't have the energy to argue against a non-argument like "he's playing different than that game a year ago".

wobblycloggers.

On February 19 2014 01:45 yamato77 wrote:

As with anything in mafia, everything I say can be assumed to be qualified with the statement "I could be wrong, but".

As for my perspective, yes, it's likely solved, which is why I find it important to argue down my lynch. Still, it's still a good idea to have an idea of why we pick who we pick to lynch outside of the four of us (me, you, VE, HF), which is why I asked you about Oats specifically.

On February 19 2014 02:57 yamato77 wrote:
I have twenty minutes left in my time to play today, and that last post was egregious enough. He's obviously not even reading the thread.

Hopefully you all realize that there's no good argument for why I'm mafia and make the right decision.

##Vote Oatsmaster

On February 19 2014 16:35 Risen wrote:

Wave into HF into automatically win. There was no eventual loss. People didn't play well, scum capitalized.